Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 8/20/11
by John Bena on Aug 20, 2011 5:08 AM MDT
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New coach John Fox's "open competition" is closed. No matter how well Tebow or Quinn plays in this exhibition, Orton will begin the season at quarterback. However, in my opinion, he won't close the season at quarterback.
Q&A: Broncos' Tebow must learn to be patient in the pocket - The Denver Post
Q: Will Tim Tebow's patience in the pocket increase with a better offensive line protecting him? Or is it just experience he needs in the NFL that will help keep him there longer? Or both? I know this, if I was Tim, I'd be thinking, "I've got two, three seconds to throw the ball before I'm pressured or sacked, so if nothing is open, I'm running to keep our drive alive."
QB mystery: Quinn, Tebow battle for Broncos' No. 2 - The Denver Post
The Broncos' quarterback drama has moved on to the No. 2 role, where there is intrigue about whether Brady Quinn, and not Tim Tebow, will be the first quarterback in to replace starter Kyle Orton in the preseason game tonight against the Buffalo Bills.
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The Panthers have signed veteran center Ryan Kalil to a five-year contract extension.
NFL.com news: Fox: Broncos' QB rotation vs. Bills will be 'game-time decision'
Fans will just have to tune in Saturday night to see what happens when the Broncos face the Buffalo Bills at Sports Authority Field at Mile High, the stadium's new moniker.
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Osi Umenyiora will not practice with the New York Giants for a while, and this time it has nothing to do with his contract.
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When the NFL announced Thursday that it would let former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor enter next Monday's supplemental draft -- but also impose a five-game suspension upon his signing with a team -- the message seemed clear: If you mess with the NCAA, you mess with us.
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Garrard still leads Gabbert in Jacksonville | National Football Post
With 50 percent of the preseason precincts reporting in now, Vito Stellino of the Jacksonville Times-Union is projecting David Garrard still as the slight favorite to retain his job as the Jacksonville Jaguars starting quarterback.
John Beck shines in preseason debut for Redskins | National Football Post
If there was ever any doubt John Beck would be the starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins, it was erased Friday night.
Injuries ground Jets vets Mason, Brunell | National Football Post
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Absent Al? Davis unseen at Raiders camp | National Football Post
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New Meadowlands Stadium finally gets a name | National Football Post
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Former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor could appeal the five-game suspension levied against him by the NFL should he be chosen in next week's supplemental draft, a decision that would add another layer of complexity to an already unprecedented situation.
Arizona Cardinals suspect RB Ryan Williams will miss season - ESPN
The Arizona Cardinals' offensive hopes took a big hit when rookie running back Ryan Williams was carted off the field with a right knee injury early in the third quarter during a preseason loss to the Green Bay Packers Friday night.
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Detroit Lions vs. Cleveland Browns - Recap - August 19, 2011 - ESPN
Colt McCoy threw three touchdown passes -- two to tight end Evan Moore -- in the first half, but the Browns blew a 15-point lead after halftime and lost 30-28 to the Lions on Friday night in a penalty-filled exhibition that showed both teams have plenty to fix in the next three weeks before the season opener.
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Thanks John
I love me some early tracks. I also want to apologize to all readers, since I have been one of the ones getting into foolish QB arguments with the “Tebow should start now” crowd. I respect their opinions. Of course I want Tebow to lead us to the playoffs, I just want Orton to do it first! Go Broncos!
Irony to me includes being lambasted on a Broncos site for defending our starting quarterback.
(on the Paige Article) What a bunch of crap!
Why does Tebow only get the nod once we’re out of the playoffs?
Nothing would piss me off more then to lose with Orton only to realize at the end we have about the same results with Tebow. The idea of starting Orton is that we think we can get to the playoffs with him. If were only gonna go 6-10 or 7-9, lets use this disappointing season to get some of the rough bumps out of Tebow. I don’t care about winning this year, I want a Super Bowl, and I think Tebow is our best bet. But we need to invest in that best bet a little. I’m sure another year on the bench is nothing but a good thing, but having a year or part of one under his belt will do wonders too. I don’t know about you guys, but the best memories i have of last season were the final 3 games. So don’t hate me for wanting Tebow to get more PT.
Plus Neither Quinn or Orton are under contract next year. Ya think either will re-sign? Tebow is our default QB next year.
I sure hope EFX has thought this through.
Bottom line, as long as were not making the playoffs, which i think we’ll know by week 6-7, lets get Tebow ready for the starting gig next year.
It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy
I agree
When i read this article i thought to myself 4-8 by dec 11. Wow that would be completely useless. It would suck to look back at it and say “Man we should have started TIM” but who knows.
Courage is not the absence of fear. It is acting in spite of it.
The only thing I know is that Orton hasn't lead us to the playoffs yet.
It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy
Err
I don’t think Woody was saying that’s the RIGHT thing to do. He’s just predicting what probably WILL happen… And he’s pretty much right.
I know. thats what makes me mad.
It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy
Woody is actually right for once
Orton will be our Week1 starter… and Tebow will start at some point this season.
I will fault him on one thing though. He never mentions injuries as a factor. Orton has NEVER gone through a whole season without getting hurt in his entire career… And with a rookie at RT and 2nd-year guys at LG and C, I"m not sure why that will change this year. Tebow will get his chance either because:
1. Orton gets hurt
2. Broncos are WAY out of contention and Orton struggles
3. Orton gets traded
Look at those 3 scenarios, and I think we all know that one of them is bound to happen… But until then, Orton will be our starter, regardless of who we think should or shouldn’t start.
Yeah Woody sure is on it. Where DOES he get his ideas from?
We talked about Orton not lasting the whole season weeks ago. I’m still betting he won’t last until the bye week and it will be reason number 1. Orton gets hurt.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Aug 20, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton will start all season we will make the playoffs and everyones negative assumptions will again make them look like fools
by Hoopforia on Aug 20, 2011 8:50 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Now thats a long shot.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
That would be great but....
IMHO we are not a playoff team. Not yet anyway. And it doesnt matter who is at QB.
Courage is not the absence of fear. It is acting in spite of it.
+1000
They just don’t get it! He doesn’t have IT! Go KO and the Broncos!
I will root for KO because he is a bronco.
But i just dont think this is a playoff team.
Courage is not the absence of fear. It is acting in spite of it.
I couldn’t be a happier fool. I also couldn’t be more surprised.
Word Up
by plainview88 on Aug 20, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I would take that bet any day. Orton sucks and we have all seen it so what has changed?
by fiverolledtacos on Aug 20, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
What has changed? The appropriate answer, hopefully, is the rest of the team has improved
If we get to the playoffs,.it won’t be because KO suddenly dragged us there. IMPO, it would actually be difficult for KO to get numbers similar to of last year, but a porous defense and stumbling running game meant we picked second in the draft. However, even if he does do that again this year, there is no reason to expect a better win/loss record unless the rest of the team improves.
We shall see. I'm on the other side of this coin
Orton is simply not good enough to get the 2011 Broncos into the playoffs. And this year will be his last shot.
That he is in a contract year bodes well for him to thrive, but I still don’t think that makes up for his limited skill set.
Kyle Orton + red zone = FG
Gosh. with your predictive skills.....
how many times have you won the lottery?
You don’t know at all how this will all turn out…..
I voted! Thanks for the tracks John.
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If Orton gets hurt.....
Quinn starts……
Paige should take his overblown, idiotic schick on the road to Whosville where he can meet up with the Grinch and play games with him in fantasy land. There is no one, two or three QB this year. There are three QBs. Period. All will play. This is not a democracy, and Paige has no more preditive powers than my dog, and he does not have a vote any more than I do………
Brady Quinn? It’s Brady’s fifth season and he’s never been anything more than a bench warmer. That’s all Brady will ever be in the NFL. Good looks don’t make up for a inaccurate pass and ineffective demeanor.
Kyle Orton + red zone = FG
Right!!!
Can you name a QB who developed after five years? And they said what about Rodgers? Young? Rember a guy named Unitas? Wow! You must think guys mast be all-world right off the bat, huh?
McGeorge, you are all wet.
Look at the Qbs they had the chance to learn from...
Fidgets had Farce to learn from. Young had Montana. Quinn has what future hall of fame Qb to learn from. No one. Can’t put Quinn in the same breathe as them. Your the wash.
by broncs27 on Aug 20, 2011 3:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Give it up, Gul
Despite evidence that some QBs actually improve with age, McG truly believes that our QB’s talent levels were written in stone at birth, and no amount of practice or coaching will every change them.
Irony to me includes being lambasted on a Broncos site for defending our starting quarterback.
Sorry McG, my bad, snarky me......
That being said, I have also found that McG is usually right, so don’t put any money on Orton or Quinn’s future as superbowl QBs in this league.
Irony to me includes being lambasted on a Broncos site for defending our starting quarterback.
Thanks for the Tracks John!
Wow! The World of sports according the Woody(I’m wrong 98% of the time)Paige! Ridiculous speculation on his part.
I’m a lot more optimistic than most, and see a 10-6 season. Let’s kick some Raider ass in week #1!
Hedging my be a little
9-7 overall and 4-2 in the west. Good for AFC west championship. Can see 10-6 as possible but I think 9-7 is so far beyond what most expect I will take a safer bet.
Orton is more than likely going to take a few shots tonight (Hello Shawn Merriman)
Orton will likely follow his career normal arc: Injured sometime around week 9, plays for another three with severe drop off in already mediocre play due to injury, replaced by Quinn or Tebow for remainder of season. And that will be the end of the Orton era in Denver.
I’m trying to be optimistic and see a 7-9 season this year, but I’m still going to hold with 6-10.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
merriman is out tonight
Buffalo Bills linebacker Shawne Merriman will miss the team’s preseason game at Denver on Saturday to rest a sore right knee.
Coach Chan Gailey calls the decision to rest Merriman a precaution. He adds Merriman would have likely played if this were a regular-season game.
Merriman has missed the past two days since hurting his knee during a pass-rushing drill. He had two sacks in Buffalo’s 10-3 preseason-opening loss at Chicago last weekend.
Receiver Roscoe Parrish will also sit out after missing a week of practice due to a leg injury.
The Bills wrapped up three weeks of training camp in suburban Rochester on Thursday and will resume practicing at their headquarters in Orchard Park next week.
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by Something Clever on Aug 20, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Thats a shame - I would like to have seen how Franklin would have help up against talent like Merriman
What would Blackie Lawless do?
by British Bronco on Aug 20, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, Woody is right on once sense
even though he failed to use this as a rationale (most likely because it would make the column seem like he was wishing injury on someone) Orton has a very spotty record when it comes to staying healthy for a year. Remember he said that he was injured for much of the 2008 season in Chicago (ankles) More than that though, as stated above, when Orton get’s injured his play tends to drop off considerably (as should be expected). If we believe the reports, Orton was injured either during the game at KC last year, or the AZ game. Both were his worst games of the season. I remember that both of those games were rather brutal to watch.
So if/when Orton get’s injured you need to take him out of the game and sit him, and that means inevitably a backup will be used some time this year. Then it will be either Quinn or Tebow.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 20, 2011 10:51 AM MDT reply actions
Tebow also
Missed games last year with a rib injury. I know some will disagree, but I believe his style of play might make him prone to injury. I predict that all 3 QBs will see action this year.
Irony to me includes being lambasted on a Broncos site for defending our starting quarterback.
This quarterback debate gets more laughable by the day and we the fan fall for it every time.
Coach John Fox knows ‘something’ about offenses or he wouldn’t be a head coach, because to be ahead coach you have know ‘something’ about every phase of running an NFL team. Right? Fox may not be an expert with offenses, but that’s where his ass’ts come in, people with a little more knowledge in the areas of offense. Clearly John Fox doesn’t know as much about offenses then say, Mike Shanahan or Bill Belichick, but he knows enough to run the whole team. Just like Shanahan or Belichick might not know as much about defenses than Fox.
With that being said I think John is right in taking to conservative approach with the quarterback situation that he basically inherited from the prior regime. Using the experienced veteran factor makes sense for a new head coach trying to repair a disfunctional defense that was left in shambles. I see that approach as the less risk approach whether it is right or wrong and in the long run will it matter much? Not really, it will only help him build the team he wants to field in two or 3 years. Sure we won’t get to see our former first round pick and watch him develop with his team mates or not, but it relieves the kind of pressure that a new head coach doesn’t need, he has many other concerns to deal with at the moment. The timing isn’t right for Tim Tebow or Brady Quinn, they are just pawns in a media splash of more crap slinging.
Circumstances will fall this season no matter what spin we or the media put on it. That’s the way it is, love it or leave, because our spouting displeasure either way doesn’t matter in the least bit, it will be what it is. I have expressed my views on the Tebow thing and everyone on here knows how I feel, “It’s Tebow Time”! But my fandom for Tim Tebow only goes so far as with Kyle Orton or Brady Quinn. The Broncos as a team come first and only, not one particular player…
The problem is.......
the tebowners keep putting out provavative BS, and it just plays h3ll with facts. They live on three games,one of which was a loss, and three other plays or so. Calling for him to start is nutty and Paige is all of that and more. Saying that Orton is going to be inkjured (yay? How is that any good?) in order to see Tebow "start: is just plain ludicrous. Quinn will start before Tebow.
I wnat to see the Broncos have a shot to win. With a D and a running game, I believe Orton can do a better job than Tebow, and I believe Quinn can do a better job than Tebow this year.
I think he lost 2 of 3 starts
And completed less than half his passes. Small sample size or not, he has had a chance to show what he can do in real NFL games, and his best stat was the 200 yards rushing.
Irony to me includes being lambasted on a Broncos site for defending our starting quarterback.
Talk about being inaccurate with the facts.
Tebow had a 50% completion percentage – not great – but how is that “less than half of his passes”?
And his best stat was his 200 yards rushing?
That is a nice stat but… I kinda liked his 40-yd TD run on 3rd & 24 against the arch rival Raiders in Oakland in his 1st ever start. Oh, btw, that was the longest TD run for a QB in Broncos history and the longest TD run in NFL history for a QB in his first start. His rushing total for that game (78 yds) was 2nd highest for a QB in team history.
Or, maybe, it was that 33-yd TD pass to Lloyd in the back corner of the endzone – also in the Raiders game. Oh, btw, with that TD, Tebow became only the 3rd QB in NFL history to pass for a TD of 30 or more yds and rush for a TD of 40 or more yds in the same game. He also finished the game with a 100.5 passer rating, the highest ever in team history for a professional debut.
Or, maybe it was his 308 passing yards against the Texans (wasn’t he one of only two rookies in team history to do that in his home opener?). And before you minimize his feat because of who we played, I’ll share this – Sam Bradford had only one 300-yd passing game in 16 starts (308 – against the Broncos).
Or maybe it was the fact that Tebow became the first QB in NFL history to rush for a TD in each of his first three career starts.
There were other nice stat moments but I’ll stop there.
Yeah, I guess you’re right, Tebow has had his chance to show what he can do in real NFL games and it looks like he just can’t play at this level.
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by FloridaFan62 on Aug 20, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
My source was per ESPN as starter:
40 of 81 for 49.4%
Are they incorrect?
Irony to me includes being lambasted on a Broncos site for defending our starting quarterback.
As a starter, your stats are correct.
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by FloridaFan62 on Aug 21, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Question:
Who freaking cares?
THE BRONCOS ARE PLAYING. Tebow is third string. What’s not to understand?
REally, It doesn’t matter. All three will make the team this year… Believe it. Just stop harping on TT, and start talking about the TEAM…..
If I started posting inaccurate "facts" and stats about Orton you would attempt to clarify, would you not?
I know you would because I’ve read your posts. Besides, your many negative comments about TT render your opinion worthless regarding my comment above.
You are blatantly anti-Tebow so of course you don’t care if anyone misquotes stats or “facts” about his performance but you sure like to jump to Orton’s defense.
On the other hand, you won’t find a single comment I have made that is negative regarding Orton. I would prefer that Tebow start but it’s all about who is playing best right now. If Orton can lead the team to 10 or 12 wins this season that would be fantastic!
I have no problem with tebow not starting but I will defend him, or any Broncos player, when others post inaccurate stats or comments.
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by FloridaFan62 on Aug 21, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
This just in:
Stink tweets Brady Quinn will start second, Tebow demoted to third against the Bills.
It wasn't a demotion
It’s called taking turns.
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I figured that this would happen last week
They are still evaluating. Really, I wouldn’t worry about it until the roster cut downs are finalized.
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