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Buffalo Bills @ Denver Broncos: Preseason Week 2 Notebook

DENVER, CO - AUGUST 20:  Quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick #14 of the Buffalo Bills throws a pass against the Denver Broncos during the second quarter at Sports Authority Field at Mile High on August 20, 2011 in Denver, Colorado. (Photo by Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

Continuing our sub-grand experiment here at MHR, this week's notebook is officially ready to go.  Heading into the game I made a note to myself to watch and track formations and personnel groupings (saw some pretty cool stuff), keep an eye on Orlando Franklin and Chris Kuper over there on the right side, watch the fullbacks a little better, and to pay attention to what kinds of packages we were seeing pressure from on defense.

Overall I just wanted to see a team that was cleaning up the mistakes (penalties in game one were a problem), as well as playing physical, like a team halfway through the season.  A fast start is huge this year, for a lot of reasons, and establishing some physical dominance will go a long ways toward that goal.  A slow start will kill the Broncos before they even have a chance to get out of the gate.

Lets get right to the analysis.

Defensive Starters

  • DT Broderick Bunkley:  We were missing two of our most productive starting DTs for this game and it showed on the first drive, but a few guys came through to help alleviate the loss.  Vickerson was up and down all game, getting a stop on the first play, but later getting manhandled on the outside shoulder of a guard to allow a 3rd and 2 conversion right at him.  Bunkley showed up pretty well early, with his penetration on the Bill's third down almost leading to a 3 and out for the defense's first drive, if not for a converted fake punt on the next play (have you ever seen a fake punt in the preseason?).  On the next drive Bunkley would once again penetrate deep into the backfield on a little delayed rush.  The pressure would force an incompletion and lead to 3rd and 18.  And Bunkley wasn't done yet, batting a ball down at the line of scrimmage (and almost intercepting it) later in the first half.  He finished out his first half reps with a gimme crush of the RB in the backfield (along with DJ and Goodman) after the QB and RB had trouble with the handoff/playfake.  All in all, a nice day by the Bunk.

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  • Wesley Woodyard:  I think this is the year when we will finally see Woodyard on the field for the majority of downs, as the Broncos nickle adjustment.  When Denver moves to the nickle, beside seeing Champ move inside over the slot, you will see Woodyard replace DJ at WLB, DJ moves to MLB, and Von Miller moves to DE, with Ayers moving inside.  That is the fastest nickle we have fielded in quite some time, and the Bills were a good example of how often teams run 11 or 20 personnel (3 WR sets).  Denver spent the majority of that first drive in a nickle formation, and while they allowed a few runs (see below) they also got two 3rd down stops.  Woodyard, from this nickle role was all over the field.  He had some down moments, including getting swallowed up on blocks on two of CJ Spillers runs, but on the 3 and out on the 2nd drive it was Woodyard that blew up a block on 3rd and 18 screen (swing?  I still need to rewatch...) and forced the back into Vaughn's waiting arms.  He also was the key guy in blowing up an early Brad Smith Wildcat play, so his recognition seems to be in fine form as well.  Woodyard is moving well, tackling well, reading well...it is a great time to be seeing him on the field.  He has the distinction of being a roleplayer who gets better as the game goes on and his reps start piling up.  This wasn't a problem in college where a roleplayer on Kentucky was an everydown guy.  But in the pros it has meant he is relatively "cold" all game.  He may still struggle if he is in and out irregularly, but it looks to me like he has a chance to make an impact this year while we are sorting out our MLB issues, and playing nickle often.
  • Rahim Moore:  finally got to see a significant amount of coverage from him, and it is really impressive how natural he looks in that centerfielder role.  His speed allows him to get right up to the line on running plays, and he really has a nice aggressive attitude in coverage.  I know there will be disagreement with the penalty on his "defenseless player" hit, and that certainly looked like a textbook play, bred into the bone of every safety who has the range to make it, but these are new times in the NFL, and that kind of play is going to get flagged, for a while at least.  We know Rahim isn't a headhunter by any stretch of the imagination, but we don't want to see him get gunshy out there either, which is why it was nice that he was overheard saying "If I'm not catching it, he's not catching it either..." as he came off the field after the play.  The defense needs an attitude adjustment, and a physical mindset like Rahim was displaying is fertile soil for just such an adjustment to take root.
  • VonDoom:  What's not to like?  Something that was particularly nice to see was how well Doom was performing in contain in the running game.  Run defense is a team sport, so Doom can't do it alone, but I think this year we will start to see him get a lot more respect for his all around game.  In the meantime, he will just have to get by on being a stud pass rusher.  And it looks like Von will be there to keep him company.  Von's shoulder-dip around the corner is amazing to watch at full speed, and he may very well make it on that alone, but I can't wait to see him develop the complementary power moves that will allow him to truly dominate and embarrass opponents.  Doom's signature move, despite being "undersized" is his bull rush, not any kind of speed move, and while Von will always be primarily a speed guy, the power moves will set up speed opportunities even against the best tackles in the NFL.  He is particularly lethal right now stunting from the LDE position.  It results in Doom sealing the backside with pressure, and a step up lane appearing that gets completely engulfed by Von when he appears.  That has the potential to absolutely kill a QB, and make him afraid to step up in the pocket...
  • Cassius Vaughn:  while not up to last weeks performance, he looked very solid as the nickle corner (lined up over the Z receiver) and showed good recognition and instincts in this game defending several screen calls by the Bills (and a favorite playcall of San Diego).  On the first drive he forced a 3rd and 10 with a great play at the goalline to turn and make a play on the ball on a back shoulder fade.  On the following drive, he cleans up a screen play with a nice tackle to force the 3 and out.  Again, not quite as nice as last weeks performance, but solid, and more importantly, critical plays were made.
  • Champ and Goodman:  Champ is seeing opportunities to make plays on balls from his slot position, and this week we got to see the first of what will be many, many pass breakups.  I doubt many teams will run slants against Champ, because the bills showed that his closing speed is still elite, and his feel for the play makes getting the hand on the ball a guarantee, and an INT a serious threat.  On the quick slant, Champ managed to get turned, catch up and get his hand stabbed in for the deflection...imagine what he can do on a slightly slower crossing route...  Goodman hasn't been seeing a lot of action yet, but he got tested on a couple of back shoulder throws.  The first was completed, the second he covered like a blanket, and another was severely off target, but he looked to be in position to make a play.
  • Blitzes:  Besides Von at DE (which isn't a blitz in theory, even though it looks like one in practice, with his speed) Dennis Allen brought several safety blitzes again, which is starting to look like it might be a bit of a staple for us.  DJ also got a chance with a weakside blitz, easily bypassing the RB and getting the big hit.  With some of his struggles on the day recognizing assignments in the passing game, it was nice to see him being used more like he should have been the last 5 years...  I'll also make note of DJ's INT here, which is always nice to see, and it is great that he had the hands and awareness to grab it, but Denver was lucky that wasn't a big play the other way.  The receiver deflected a decent pass, which only managed to reach DJ because it bounced off of Joe Mays.  I'll still take it, though.  Luck hasn't been in large supply around here for a while...

Once again, thanks for reading.  I'll post my notes for starting offense later tonight, and then put the rest of the crew up on Monday.

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Jeremy..Excellent post/ article, rec'd, wonder how good this D could be if Ty and Marcus did not get injured

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by oldcoachB on Aug 21, 2011 10:19 AM MDT reply actions  

I think our depth DTs

are right up there with our starters in terms of talent on an individual play basis, however the rotation is going to be hurt significantly, and may force us into odd fronts or into the nickle or 5-2 in situations where we may prefer to keep base personnel out there…

Without a good DT rotation, I expect that opposing offenses will be able to “resurrect” running gmaes in the 3rd and 4th quarters, which can be disheartening. Luckily Fox has the experience to have a good management plan for our current DT snaps. By playing more nickle, running 5-2 on occasion and subbing the DEs smartly we can manage the problem until Thomas and then Warren return.

The big problem is those missing roster spots…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

those spots may just be filled after the coming cuts.

I’d like to see one each – DT,CB & OL

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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 21, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice read Jeremy....

Excellent analysis. Do you see Joe Mays being supplanted as the starter by Irving anytime soon?

by swg777 on Aug 21, 2011 10:24 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't

Irving struggled, and I will post the details with my “rest of the crew” post, but I fully expect him to come along quickly. I just don’t think it will be quick enough to supplant Mays, and once the season starts, Mays will have to either seriously underperform or get hurt. Right now I think Haggan is the rotational replacement for Mays, and I expect that will be how the depth chart is set going into the season.

Irving is struggling with some Fox schema stuff that he didn’t have to do in college, but he has all the tools to eventually master it. I would say he is about halfway there…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Haggan is an interesting story arc...

Too small for DE, too big for SLB. They started him out in TC backing up the LDE. Then they moved him back to backup SLB. Once the preseason started, with Irving dinged they moved him to backup MLB, and he got reps there this week. But when irving came into the game late, Haggan moved back over to SLB…

Its like whack-a-mole trying to keep up with this guy!

I have been looking for packages where the Broncos get good use out of him, but it might be the opposite: find packages for everyone else, and move Haggan in and out of every package as needed. The ultimate backup. I think haggan is carving out a very complementary role on the team, sort of a first team second-teamer….

Apparently he has a shoulder sprain that they will MRI today. Hopefully we get good news…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haggan played at the WILL when the injury occured as with the prior play.

Allen/Smith are using him in different positions to see how his skillset matches up. I love the way the are checking every angle…

by bfree2bronc on Aug 21, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

McBath was a no-show

which can sometimes be a good thing for a safety. McCarthy and Carter are in the lead I think, and Bruton was playing hard as well. Between CB and SAF, we will likely keep 10 DBs, so I could see us keeping 3 of these young safeties. I think McBath and Bruton may battle it out for the last spot.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

McCarthy will make this team

before McBath and Bruton. It’s sad when undrafted players and rookies are outperforming your 3rd year Safeties who should be showing something by now. I never understood why most of MHR was so high on McBath…. I think he’s starting to show us who he really is….. not much.

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by PaleHorse78 on Aug 21, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Once we spent two high picks on safety at the 2011 draft, that was a loud admission that one of McBath and Bruton were not long for the NFL or Broncos. Bruton is good on ST so me thinks McBath is a waiver wire pickup for a team with a FS need.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

My new favourite read

Outstanding analysis that makes all others redundant. Thanks for all the hard work this must demand.

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by longshot356 on Aug 21, 2011 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

you are very welcome

the hardest part is transcribing the notes after the game, it feels like it takes forever, and I am eager to get the post up and start talking about this stuff. I deferred the offense this time around because I really want to review the scheme and formation stuff…it is fascinating, and even more interesting to me than how efficient the offense was…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kickoff at the 35

There has been a lot of weeping and wailing that the new location of kickoff is eliminating a big chunk of the special team play. I suggest otherwise. I think that it is just a matter of time before coaches start pushing for the high kick rather than the deep kick. Our kickers at Mile High are probably better suited for that. Imagine the effect on the game if the ball lands near the end zone rather than seven yards deep and the coverage unit is already inside the 20.

by Lakewoodgrad on Aug 21, 2011 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't really know what I'm talking about here, so this is just a question.

Wouldn’t you have to retrain the kickers to kick the ball in a completely different way, and would they even be able to get their foot under the ball enough (it is on the ground, after all) to make it go in a more upward trajectory?

by CompUser on Aug 21, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not really

Most kickers have a soccer background and understand the mechanics that would go into what amounts to a chip-shot. And the ball sits on a tee for kickoffs so they should be able to get plenty of cleat under the ball. I really do believe that’s where we’re headed

by TXBroncoFan on Aug 21, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

I think kickers would enjoy the challenge of this kind of kick placement, and I think the majority of them would be very good at it. However, since kickoffs can theoretically be fair caught, that may enter into the strategy as well.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

They wouldn't want to fair catch it at the one yard line

They could just let it go, and it would probably bounce into the end zone. Except the occasional ball that bounces backward – that would be fun.

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by bradley on Aug 21, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

prolate spheroid

true, also it is a free kick, so the kicking team has every right to it as anyone else…

the strategy has not yet begun to emerge, methinks…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would have said oblate sphere

But I would have been wrong. Prolate spheroid it is. (I’m procrastinating around getting to a chore I don’t want to do – it involves what might loosely be called an oblate sphere).

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by bradley on Aug 21, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I posed a question to Prater as he signed a hat for me at Training Camp. My question was regarding whether they would end up Free Kicking (a la post-Safety Free Kick) in place of a Kickoff, due to the shorter distance. He said that he would like the chance to place strategic kicks. I had to apologize for trying to take him out of a job there, but that I was merely curious.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 21, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Prater

recognizes the perils of attempting to kick a prolate spheroid strategically, but would like to give it a shot nevertheless.
Hats off to Prater!

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by bradley on Aug 21, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

=)

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 21, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

Winners win and are always in search of that next “edge” to help them win. No way 32 teams go into this with an “awe shucks, guess it’s time to kick it through the end zone” mentality. Pioneers will quickly begin looking for that edge and I think the obvious answer is to kick the ball to the stars. With your gunners being ten yards closer now, it’s easy to envision a lot of fair catches inside the ten once kickers get the arc down pat. Also, it’s probably probable that there will be some extra muffed catches with the return man “hearing footsteps”. I’m not sure if they’ll have enough time, but I would guess it’s probably likely that if return men let a really highly arced ball go – one that hits at the five yard line – the kicking team probably has a chance to already have a guy behind the ball to down it.

I doubt strategies are really set yet. One thing I am surprised with, though, is that nobody is really even trying these high kicks yet. Saving them for a surprise really only works if you think nobody else has thought of it. You know, for it to be a surprise. Otherwise it makes sense to practice those kicks in TC and in preseason games. Guess we’ll see soon enough.

OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!

by Rodney A on Aug 21, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

STs coaches are the most unloved coordinators in the game

I’ll bet none wants to be the first to screw it up! :)

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well said....

Let’s be honest here, if Rahim wanted to hurt the guy, he had every opportunity to make that hit ten times worse. I don’t like to see anyone get injured, but there’s no harm in regaining some defensive swagger.

The defense needs an attitude adjustment, and a physical mindset like Rahim was displaying is fertile soil for just such an adjustment to take root.

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by Jezru on Aug 21, 2011 11:14 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree Jezru...

That hit didn’t look all that blatant to me, it does look like he pulled up at the end. Is there any truth to Lundquist’s call that he was ejected? Lundquist was making a big deal about “Several coaches” being gathered around Moore after he left the field, but it looked to me like it was Greek and the training staff.

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by CH74 on Aug 21, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Moore got dinged up

he wasn’t ejected, or else he would have had to leave the field completely, and he was sitting on the sideline. They kept him out once the game got started back up because they thought he might have gotten gotten hurt a little. I think it might have been a neck or concussion thing.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Jeremy

Thats what I thought had happened. I was watching the Preseason Live replay and all I could get was the low quality video, but Greek has been on the Bronco’s sideline for so long, he is easily recognizable.

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by CH74 on Aug 21, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Moore said he wasn't hurt

but I think he means that he is good to go. Fox listed him as a head injury for the game, so I think they were watching him for concussion…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

He appeared...

To be pretty fired up. He might have faced some reprisal had he stayed on the field. The second team was close to coming in anyway, it was a good move to pull him a little early. Its good to see the defense with that much fire and I love the way they all came to his aid when Moore needed them.

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by CH74 on Aug 21, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

right

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA

by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 21, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Bills post game blog is HILARIOUS

One poster said our defense played “rough” and “mean” haha! First, its funny that someone was upset because we were “mean”. Second, its funny to hear our Broncos described that way. Funny, but awesome!

by TXBroncoFan on Aug 21, 2011 11:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Very Awesome!

This team is VERY physical, starting upfront with the lines. OL and DL are setting the tempo right now for everyone else, and it is just intense…and this is only the freaking preseason!

Walton A.K.A. “Trashcan” is really aggressive right now, Orlando was mauling Dareus in the running game (not so much pass pro, we’ll talk about that tonight), and Beadles was playing well, perhaps the least aggressive of the group, but very good.

I know I’m getting the cart before the horse, but I think Clady and Kuper are heading to the probowl this year. I can’t say enough about what they are getting done on the field. Kuper is playing right now as well as Faneca was back when he went to the Jets for them to start rebuilding their running game. (hyperbole? You tell me…)

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Too Early

I’m glad you enjoyed the game. The OL played well. They are being aggressive but it’s only the preseason. If their aggressive play carries over into the regular season, it will be good for the Broncos, but you can expect the regular season defenses to play harder and be tougher. I think what you might see is consistent play from Beadles just as you’re seeing now. Kuper and Clady will drop off some and Franklin will continue to improve. I think Walton will also stay close to where he has been in the first quarter.

I’m not so sure about Kuper and Clady being in the Pro Bowl. Franklin is playing better. He’s less hesitant. As his confidence grows and he learns the plays, I expect his aggressiveness to stay high. He’s got a mean stick up his ass. I’m not sure where it came from. Maybe his Momma knows but in the long run it will be good for the O Line.

As far as the defense goes, I’m not as sure as you are that they are near ready. They are giving up too much too often. Even though other teams aren’t running up the score, when the regular season starts I’m concerned that the defense won’t look much better than it does in preseason and that’s a problem. Maybe a big one. Some of the things that saved the defense so far like interceptions can’t be counted during the season to happen exactly when they are needed to save a win.

The Broncos offense looks good for 20 pts a game. The defense will have to hold the opponents to less if the team is expecting to win. and right now, I see that as a problem.

by FormerUMP on Aug 21, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember the preseason play that a certain TD made and put him on the map?

Well, I think we just saw a repeat for Rahim Moore last night. I hope he keeps it up, it just adds a huge dimension to opposing offensive thought.

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by azbroncomaniac on Aug 21, 2011 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

I would say that Rahim doesn't need to be found on any maps

but I totally agree with what you are saying: watershed moment for the Broncos’ young defense.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

Rahim had the high expectations coming out of the draft (he was the highest ranked Safety in it), as opposed to TD who was an afterthought. Regardless, I love Rahim Moore for showing the world that… “hey, I’m not just a finesse, ballhawking player…. I can lay the wood too!!!”

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by PaleHorse78 on Aug 21, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

What did you think of Ayers last night?

personally I thought he played better than Vickerson from the 3 technique spot.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Aug 21, 2011 11:49 AM MDT reply actions  

A different opportunity exists for the 3 tech in nickle

but I do agree that Ayers played better than BigVick overall. Vickerson is responsible for stunts away from Doom, which is dddesigned to overload the backside of the pass protection, and that is a less than glorious role. However Vick missed a few tackles, and Ayers misread a screen (badly), so they both can clean up their game at this point.

When Ayers moves inside, he is pretty much attack only, a good assignment for him. Vickerson has a more rounded inside game.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thats kind of what I meant to ask when I said

Ayers looked better from a pass rushing standpoint which makes him better in nickel but I didn’t think either did particularly well against the run. I would give the edge to Vick since he was able to get off his blocks at times and get his hands on the ball carrier. He just wasn’t able to bring him down.

I loved all the different formations though. I thought I saw the Broncos play in a 46 a couple times last night. How many different formations did you see?

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Aug 21, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

*when I said 3 technique

forgot to finish the sentence

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Aug 21, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

rahim moore could have enough range to 46 once in a while

I lost track of the defensive formations. VonDoom is too damn exciting!

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all points.

Both the Doom and Moore penalties were poo-poo.

The team looked extremely poised, fierce and had a nice swagger to them. Last year they looked lost and had no confidence at all.

Amazing what Fox and Co. have done to this team. Dennis Allen has been a Godsend thus far as well.

It’s kind of funny; as I was reading this the NFL Network replay is going on and much of the early notes you mentioned were being played live as I was reading them. :P

That one wildcat play that Woodyard blew up in the backfield was especially nice by him. I definitely remember seeing his name a ton last night, he was everywhere.

Got to give props to the Oline too; They’ve looked muchhhhhh improved in the run game. Guys are actually getting to the second level this year. Generally last year they’d be backed up 3-4 yards.

I’m feeling good about Bunk.

Great write up Jeremy.

by Matt In Canada on Aug 21, 2011 11:58 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA

by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 21, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

All well said above... we're all pretty stoked eh? Give us something to hopre/cheer for and we're going to go crazy rooting for this tem this year!!

Pretty excited about our young talent and LOVED all the passes to RB’s! Is this a new twist or just what we were given?

So glad we kept our OC. (This was my fear with Fox, that he wouldn’t be able to rely on his coordinators. Looking good)

Looking damn good!

Love Dennis Allen! Can’t wait to see his regular season calls!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 21, 2011 12:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Very excited to watch our defense this season. Hopefully they can stay healthy and keep getting better.

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by Robb Yeager on Aug 21, 2011 1:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Like a lot of Shanny holdovers, Woodyard was badly misused by McD in his 3-4. Woodyard came on strong at the end of 2008 when he was a OLB in a 4-3. He looks like the same player again in 2011. Very glad we resigned. He made a great tackle from behind on a Brad Smith run for 0 yards.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 1:17 PM MDT reply actions  

$1.835mil

I don’t like switching to a salary cap hat in the middle of lovin’ on the Broncos, but that is a lot of money.

However, it isn’t like they are spending it anywhere else ($20 mil cap space approx.) so let’s let Woodyard buy the drinks for once….

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

He played a few years on the low with his UFA rookie contract. Time for Denver to show him some love. He’s been underpaid until now. You’ll never see me hate on what these players make.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Elvis did have one very bad play where they ran right at him, but he tried to rush the passer outside and totally took himself out of the play on a run that went for 20 yards. The commentator mistakenly blamed big Vick, but the blown gap was entirely on Elvis.

He looked pretty awesome otherwise, but that was a big mistake.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 1:19 PM MDT reply actions  

I'll have to look at it again McG, but was it a designed run or a play action run?

We all know Dumervil’s primary job is to rush and pressure the quarterback, so him missing some running plays are quite possible in certain situations. I wonder…

by bfree2bronc on Aug 21, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was 1st and 10 so Elvis really blew it. Run off tackle, but Elvis still rushed too far outside and up field. #22 ran thru his gap for 20 yards. DJ Williams made an INT one or two plays later.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I remember that play

but I thought it was Miller, not Dooms who rushed to far outside. Must’ve read the number wrong.

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by AlbertaBronc on Aug 21, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was 92. He was playing strong side next to Vickerson.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I noted that as a missed tackle for Doom in my notes

I think I recall the play, there was a backside counter that followed it that got wrapped up pretty good. I also had Vick missing a tackle on the same play as Doom. I would have to go back and look but was Doom in position to make the read and just missed a tackle or was it an overrun?

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

way overrun up the field and outside. Left a gaping hole for the RB to exploit, which he did.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Vick seemed to

have trouble shedding the block enough to re-seal the edge; may have had something to do with the jersey stretching just as the runner went toward the outside of him. Without setting the blame, I think he had the last chance to make the tackle.

by idahobronc on Aug 21, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Finally getting to watch the game this morning I liked what I saw, but

can we really get a feel of our defense going up against a very weak Bills Oline? With only a few weeks of players practicing together they looked pretty focused on their assignments.

Great job WW on pass defense there in the 3rd qtr where he blanketed his man to knock down a potential first down reception. Hope to see more of that in the future.

The Three technical fouls in the 2nd qtr were un-called for calls and the officials are knee-jerking their decisions to yank the hanky. Moore’s hit was a textbook hit with his right shoulder to the receivers left shoulder with his feet still on the ground. Bad call. Dumervil’s hit on Thygpen was no foul as he hit the QB just after the release of the ball and no contact to the head. The Bill’s defensive player making the hit on Quinn was no foul either. This is getting ridiculous and the Commissioner better damn well do something about it. The players are trying to do their jobs without hurting any one and it isn’t their faults. The refs have to let them play the game.

Great post Jeremy…The ‘test’ of our defense will be next week against a better team with Seattle.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 21, 2011 1:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I think that it is ok to grade the line highly even though it was the Bills.

Von’s speed off the end was good no matter who he is blowing by. Doom did some rented mule beating there, and on the Buffalo site they are talking about how their LT Demetrius Bell needs to get it together. The inside of the line is young and going through some changes, but there is talent there that just needs to mature and gel. I think this is the kind of team that the sacks will come against, but the good OLs will be the ones where we produce the pressures and rely on the backfield to git er done.

It is preseason so they want to make examples of some of their new rules changes. I agree about the ticky tacky fouls for roughing the QB, both the Bills and ours. It is what it is though.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't happy

about the big runs they ripped off, a lot of it because our guys couldn’t get off off blocks. The announcer said, in a tone that implied not to worry, that if they came off the blocks they’d make those tackles. Well, duh! Did someone forget to remind them? I loved the VonDoom pass rush. Miller learns fast. He overran the QB early on, but later bent back in and nailed him. He seemed tentative in backside pursuit, though, or is that just me? About Woodyard playing more, I noticed he was on the field at the start. We must have opened with the nickel. On one early play I thought I saw Beal at LDE with Miller at LDT. Could you tell if he (Beal) played much?

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by spock on Aug 22, 2011 6:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Much like the Broncos is 2010, the 2009 Bills started two rookie offensive lineman

Both of those 2009 rookies are currently starting (Levitre and Wood), but only 3 of 5 starters from 2010 started Saturday for the Bills (Levitre, Wood and Bell). The other two starters for the Bills on Saturday were former Bronco, Pears, and second year player with 2 career starts, Urbik. The Bills OL has been in the bottom third of the league for the past three years according to PFF.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Aug 22, 2011 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jeremy… That fake punt will come back to hurt Buffalo in the regular season. You don’t get more than a handful of chances to call a play like that during the season and now every team Buffalo faces (including Denver again) will have that play on tape. It was a very nice 4th and 1 fake, but it was probably the least tricky and most effective fake punt in their playbook. Now, everyone has it on film.

Weird play to waste on a preseason game.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Chan Gailey

Hate to pin it all on him, but I’m sure it was his call. I agree, sure seems like a waste of a good play. I thought there was some unwritten rule about not tipping your hand in the preseason?

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

There is this rule. Will be funny when they run this play again in week five for a -1 yard loss.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice analysis

I particularly like to hear that safety blitzes are going to be part of the norm around this defense especially with rahim moore coming after the quarterback.

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by broncoholic on Aug 21, 2011 1:48 PM MDT reply actions  

I hope they'll be a part of what we do...

you never know what will shake out once the regular season starts to rumble, but Moore, dawkins, mccarthy and Carter have all gotten blitz reps. that can’t be for nothing.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

another crazy offseason.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

next years QB's

both orton and quinn are free agents after this season. so what happens for next year? not sure i want either of these 2 signed long term

by broncosfan1129 on Aug 21, 2011 3:08 PM MDT reply actions  

I guess I have to agree with brilliance again

Great breakdown, Jeremy.

On Rahim: Am I the only one that thought the team should have jumped in for him more? That clown that was trying to start a fight with him seriously wanted it and would have had Moore given him any reason. I didn’t like that Moore was left in a position to have to walk away. Obviously, Moore would’ve looked like a prick had he started up with them after delivering that blow. And obviously you can’t really go over there and celebrate and high-five with a man down right next to their bench. But still, somebody other than Moore should have gone over and popped that dude or at least done a better job of separating him. Allowing him to walk in circles like a tough guy around Moore was unacceptable, IMO.

Also, while I think the announcers were overly critical of Moore sitting with coaches and what not, there is something to that, IMO. He was obviously shaken up from the emotions. Maybe he should have gone over with his team.. sure. But his team should have gone over to him, also. Dawk or Champ should have been there to tell him he did it right. And to stand by him.

Maybe I’ve got it all wrong, but the way I see it Moore was a little confused. He did his job and it took an awkward turn. The last thing you want is for him to question himself and pull up next time. That kind of hit should be rewarded. The aftermath should never feel awkward. But it was.

OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!

by Rodney A on Aug 21, 2011 3:09 PM MDT reply actions  

I couldn’t tell what was going on with the team but it seemed like as soon as anyone noticed they each came over DJ then Goodman Then the whole D. I actually thought it was pretty nice.

But the fine should lay with the push not the hit I think.

by GreasyQtip on Aug 21, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

They went over there

They were “around”.

It was like they had his back… way back.

I just think they should have taken that Bill with the loud mouth and shut him up. They didn’t even get in his face. They didn’t really even get between him and Moore until way late. They stood around and sort of by Rahim, but they certainly didn’t get overly involved, IMO

OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!

by Rodney A on Aug 21, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

whole lot going on there

including a player laid out on the ground. I think everyone was not sure what to do. We had our 1st stringers which was a lot of vets. They knew enough to not let it get out of hand. The loudmouth bill should have been ejected. He was just protecting his teammate though.

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by Sean in Pa. on Aug 21, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bunkley tried

DJ and Goodman got in his way.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

on a side note, I hope Bunk sticks and plays well

then we could look for a Bubbles. We have and Orlando. We would still need a Stringer, maybe a Snoop or a Herc. A Shamrock would be cool, and we used to have a Cheese. If Larsen would’ve stayed at MLB back in the day we might even have had a White Mike.

Who the heck would want to be Bunny?

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nevermind on that whole Moore fight

I was wrong. I just watched it again, and somehow had the wrong the wrong impression the first time. The defense backed him up just fine.

OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!

by Rodney A on Aug 21, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

didn’t see this.

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by Sean in Pa. on Aug 21, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

your point about him sitting alone is interesting

I think the kid with him was part of the medical staff, and may have been assigned to just sort of watch and monitor him, in case of concussion symptoms. We know he got listed as an injury, but he has stated that he wasn’t hurt, so maybe a little coach/staff interference being run to clear Moore from any of the fraickas going on. I share you worry that these sorts of things can defuse an otherwise explosive mentality, not good for a rangy safety who will get his fair share of cover one calls and will need to separate a player from a ball or two over his career. If the game is changing a particular way, so be it, but I will miss the old ways of Atwater and Smith. At least Moore is smart enough to adjust to whatever gets thrown his way. I think he’ll be fine.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 21, 2011 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

The whole starting D was still on the field so Dawk and Champ were preoccupied.

I guess Darvel McGlass could have come over and said “you are way better than me and are about to take my NFL job, but that hit was awesome bro”.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks so much Jeremy. Great write up!

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by boydy2669 on Aug 21, 2011 9:51 PM MDT reply actions  

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