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POLL: Name The 'Highly Knowledgable' Denver Broncos Source Regarding Tim Tebow

By now you have all read or heard about Michael Silver's column about Tim Tebow.  If not, I'll bring you up to speed.  Silver, with over 20 years in the business, says he was going to Denver to do a story about Von Miller, Elvis Dumervil, anything other than Tim Tebow but had little choice after what he heard while he was there.  On record were quotes by John Elway, John Fox and Brandon Lloyd.  Off record, of course, was one 'highly knowledgeable member of the Denver Broncos organization' who had this to say about the Broncos' phantom quarterback controversy:

"If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy. Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow’s way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I’m telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now."

Exactly, someone within the hallowed walls of Dove Valley has said Adam Weber is better right now than Tim Tebow.  I have my own opinion on who would say this, but I'd like to hear yours.

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Who is the 'highly knowledgeable' source within the Denver Broncos that Michael Silver used in his Yahoo.com article?
John Fox
60 votes
John Elway
288 votes
Brandon Lloyd
395 votes
Another Player
482 votes
Brian Xanders
156 votes
Joe Ellis
226 votes

1607 votes | Poll has closed

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You can’t dangle an option like that Joe Ellis buffoon and not expect me to hit it… That’s not fair.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 7:40 AM MDT reply actions  

BTW, I think his source is Merrill Hodge. Silver writes for Yahoo and his name isn’t Robinson. Yahoo sports? Yep, that is #871 on the must read sports websites.

I would suspect they pay Silver in play-doh and animal crackers.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

i have some picture books

and things pop up when i look at them…. well, i had, my wife through them away after looking at one and saying, “there’s a sight for sore eyes!”… apparently she didn’t find that as funny as me lol

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Silver needs to name names!!

If this was Scheffeter I would take it alot more serious, but it’s Silver, so his best source is Orton….

by graff_stuff690 on Aug 24, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ha!

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson

by Calikula on Aug 24, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

LMAO!!!!

"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."

"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.

by PaleHorse78 on Aug 24, 2011 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

For those choosing..

‘Another Player’, who do you think it is??

-TSG

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 7:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Orton.

Let’s start a riot…

The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.

by Troy Hufford on Aug 24, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

what if Tebow said it..

MiNdBlOwEr

This signature is meaningless..

by Teboner on Aug 24, 2011 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

lol

on FoxSports.com:

here we go, thanks Teboner for giving them the new rumor to float around! lol

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

you think im kidding....

lol. it would be the ultimate twist

This signature is meaningless..

by Teboner on Aug 24, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mind bottling

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson

by Calikula on Aug 24, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Did you just say mind bottling?

Lmao

"It's okay to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings" - Kurt Kobain

by JChase8410 on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Weber

speaking in 3rd person

If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.

by OrangeandBluesBros on Aug 24, 2011 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Troy hates when people talk in the third person.

It drives Troy crazy…

The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.

by Troy Hufford on Aug 24, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I forget who the player was that was praising Weber's throws

Perhaps it was him

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Aug 24, 2011 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Reading down below, I saw that it was LLoyd

So it may have been Lloyd, or one of the other younger receivers

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Aug 24, 2011 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think its a trainer or position assistant, but if it is a player I would suspect Decker 1st. He has the most history with Weber from college. Willis would be another suspect too. But really this is just one guys opinion that is too scared to let his name be known. Why is this even news when its like a dirty high school rumor?

"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal

by AvalancheRescueDog on Aug 24, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

John

Not to sway the vote one way or the other, but curious to know who you think it is. I voted for Ellis. I don’t think Fox would say this, he’s pretty decisive about steering the boat away from the MSM mutiny. Elway, has said stuff in the past, but it was only verbiage taken out of context. This could also be seen as taken out of context, but just doesn’t sound like John Elway speaking to me.

Xanders won’t say anything unless told what to say. Ellis however, I could see saying stuff off the record from his eyes. While Tim does have his issues, he also has his strengths. We haven’t seen Weber at all except to take a knee other than the few of us who have seen him throw about 2 passes a practice, I for one am not one of those fortunate few.

EFX have no ties to Tebow, and could get rid of him if not for the fan onslaught if they wanted to. If they don’t want him, they will quietly let him slip away without ever giving him his chance – but they have no official ties to him. He was a McD player brought on, not a EFX player.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 7:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Reading the quote...

the vernacular, I think it’s a player. Which player? Who knows, but my guess would be a player that sees each guy throw – wide receiver, running back or defensive back. Linemen on either side of the ball are focused on what they are doing. LBs are the same – either focused on pass rush or coverage.

DBs, RBs and WRs, however, see every throw and know who is bringing it and who isn’t – at least in their opinion.

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

true

If not for Ellis, I would have voted for a player. I just think that the team is supportive of Tebow. A few of their big names have verbally come out in support for him, such as Champ Bailey. I don’t think they would make a statement like this.

I could see Lloyd or another receiver saying something like this, I just felt it was someone who may have been somewhat removed from practice, thus making a biased opinion on the situation. While Tebow has work to do on his drop backs, he’s made some spectacular plays as well.

Of course it could be someone that is camp fodder as well. He’s not a big enough name to get anyone’s attention, thus no need to use his name as no one will have a clue who it is lol

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, you got me. I said it yesterday

and just read Silvers Lining today.

But if I was an investigator I would start with all the players that aren’t blind and work my way up to the the front office.

This is a no brainer. All things being equal, Tim Tebow doesn’t make the team as a QB.

by KoloradoKaos on Aug 24, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

A player no longer tied to the Broncos is my guess

LenDale White or someone who has been in camp

This is BRONCO COUNTRY!

by gahoagie on Aug 24, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can't be Ellis

He does not know enough to evaluate QB performance

by si_ice on Aug 24, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

You can leave the last 4 words off that sentence.

Lol

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 24, 2011 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice one Kaptain.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

well

that’s why it could be him, in the same respect.

If the vote included “this is bs and was made up” I would have voted for that, but since that isnt an option, I voted for someone who would be most removed from practice to say something like that. It happens all the time.

A lot of opinions are formed by people who have not seen the truth.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

might not be anyone

can’t believe everything you read, but you never know. Usually things stem off of one so called reporter and just snow balls from there.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

you and me both

but there are only a few people that know if it’s horse _ or not. Unfortunately, we here on MHR aren’t one of those few.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

You guys are all falling for this nonsense.

Silver’s 20 years in the business and his propensity to drag out the “highly knowledgeable” sources is the problem here.

Silver has a long history of doing that. Any time you see "anonymous", "unnamed", "person very close the team", it should raise BIG red flags. His source is probably a senior janitorial engineer who happened to see a day of practice…. I usually don’t even read his articles because they are often factually lacking, and biased strongly just to get views (not just the Broncos btw). He’s like the worst offender in a sea of "hype reporters".

I’m sorry that his article is getting this much attention, but that’s why he does what he does…..

No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Aug 24, 2011 7:52 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

That could be...

Just like we shouldn’t accept it blindly, we can’t disregard it blindly either. Everyone can decide for themselves…

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but considering that many of his articles in the past

have been so completely off-base, or even proven false, I think my mind is pretty set regarding Mike Silver. :)

Surprised he still works at Yahoo.

No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Aug 24, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Say that again… He works for Yahoo.

Not SI, not ESPN, not Fox, not NBC… Dude works for Yahoo.

What about Yahoo makes you think professional sports?

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

the one chick who reports on sports for yahoo is pretty hot

hot chicks make me think of sports :)

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

likewise

sports make me think of hot chicks

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately...

From a pure web traffic perspective, Yahoo Sports is far and above the top. It is what it is. Your opinion is that he is making it up. Point taken.

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Web traffic, but not for sports. Yahoo is the browser, not the source for sports.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am talking specifically Yahoo Sports

They beat ESPN in terms of traffic…

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

That is shocking to me. Can you provide a link to validate that claim.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Surely...

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/08/15/sports-online-web-traffic-for-july-2011/

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

No No...

I was just as shocked when I heard that Yahoo Sports was the largest sports enterprise on the web. I would have lost that bet.

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd bet that also includes usage stats for fantasy football which is huge! :)

No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Aug 24, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

good possibility

nice thinking!

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

My first thought too

The only reason I go there is for the ‘Pick-em’ leagues that I do with a friend (and MHR last year).

Otherwise, I’d never put “Yahoo” and “sports” together (unless, perhaps, it was a Yahoo vs. Houyhnhnms roller derby match or something).

by MakeCents on Aug 24, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I dig this --

someone makes a claim, another asks for a link/source, the initial person provides it — and it’s all done respectfully. We learn something and move on. Well played on all sides.

" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.

by broncomack on Aug 24, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not at all. Unlike Silver I trust Bena, but I did want to see his source.

Seeing Huffsports on this list was just as shocking to me. People read some dumb shit.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

lol

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by BroncoJoe311 on Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I go to Yahoo for basic sports news (not opinion)

I personally find it the best organized for this purpose

by si_ice on Aug 24, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

they usually have pretty fair after game reports on teams too.

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by Zac Man on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yahoo sports is very big

google them LOL
If I am not going to a specific team site, yahoo is my default first stop. ESPN, ABC, etc. are only for verification and confirmation.
Course. I am not anybody either….. :/

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 24, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve honestly never read it once.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I got my first email address on Yahoo

In 1998. I still use it today. The one I have posted on my profile. You could say I am biased.

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 24, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yahoo actually has some good writers

Dr. Saturday is one of the better college football writers on the internet. He’s certainly better than anyone ESPN has.

by scooter17 on Aug 24, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

John

your next post should be which sports websites get the most web traffic with some numbers and where MHR falls :)

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yahoo and sports

Yahoo did a pretty good job of sports journalism regarding Nevin and The U.

Sorry to point that out McG.

by Bradoncadonc on Aug 24, 2011 9:00 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

"pretty good job"

is an opinion :)

not that I’m disagreeing, I have the same belief on this – but it is strictly an opinion.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree. But that was a different writer covering a much different story.

Bill Williamson does not equal Adam Schefter just because they both work at ESPN.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh man, you can’t be more right about that! Schefter should never have his name in same sentence as the other guy.

by Bradoncadonc on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Robinson > Silver.

By a mile.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when I see Silver's name on Yahoo, I don't click

He writes about himself first and foremost, about football next.

by si_ice on Aug 24, 2011 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

If its not Brandon Lloyd I'd be very surprised.

a) The guy’s on record in the same article saying about how well Webber throws the ball
b) If my memory serves me right he made a sarcastic comment about the organisation / Tebow when Orton was nearly being traded
c) His relationship with Orton is good and they seem to feed off each other so he has the most to lose if Orton wasn’t in Denver

But the other option is that its all just made up

by mikebirty on Aug 24, 2011 7:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Exactly what I'm thinking.

None of the coaches or mgmt would be that immature or unprofessional to say this stuff to any reporter let alone Michael Silver. This is a player for sure and Lloyd is the prime suspect.

As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"

by MrFNSunshine on Aug 24, 2011 8:14 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

this x 1000

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by grind_core on Aug 24, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

None of the above....I vote for the janitor :P

No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Aug 24, 2011 7:59 AM MDT reply actions  

while this may be very true

if this quote WAS accurate, I think John is asking who you think it would have been who said it. (not that it is)

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

It may have also been a comment taken totally out of context

or one that came after someone said they didn’t want to talk about it and Silver persisted in asking the same question over & over — kinda like what happened to Orton a while back when he was repeatedly asked what he thought about the fans wanting Tebow.

I voted player, btw.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Aug 24, 2011 8:05 AM MDT reply actions  

I could completely see this...

A comment among an entire string of comments that is plucked out. Definitely possible.

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by John Bena on Aug 24, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

and hyped to oblivion with a snide headline referencing TT's faith.

Saviour…..surprised he didn’t say Messiah. :O

No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Aug 24, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Probably a coach....

Which wasn’t an option, so I didn’t vote. My thought is Studs- who would have chatted with Silver last year as Coach, and was just chatting this time. He would see the backfield players, and is looking to move up- so he would be paying attention to other players. A wild guess…… but I can’t see FO or a player saying that.

by baselinedenver on Aug 24, 2011 8:16 AM MDT reply actions  

Michael Who...?

I admit I didn’t know anything about Michael Silver prior to this morning. However, if he has indeed been “in the business” for 20 years and that tenure has lead him to… Yahoo Sports? That’s red flag #1.

This quote from the writer, which only requires a modicum of knowledge to actually get correct should be red flat #2:

“Trailing 17-0 at the half, Tebow went on a passing rampage, throwing for 308 yards, and scored on a 6-yard run with three minutes remaining to give Denver a 24-23 triumph, the Broncos’ third and final victory of a miserable season.”

I know last year was bad, but didn’t the Broncos win FOUR games last year?

To me this article has very, very little credibility. Just another internet writer trying to generate a name for himself…

by TrueNorthStrong on Aug 24, 2011 8:21 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Is it so hard to believe?

Is it really that hard to believe Adam Webber is better? Maybe he is just doing really well.
I would think Tebow would know the offense much better and have some familiarity with the players and facility which would give him an advantage but maybe Webber is just a better drop back quarterback which is what the QBs are being asked to do in camp.

Sometimes I wonder if it isn’t that Tebow has regressed but that Fox is asking much different things of Tim than he was asked of last year.

I don’t know if M. Silver is credible but I would vet any information you hear put out in public so I’m not defending him but what if Webber is just playing great. Why not? I 1st year guy playing better than a 2nd year guy. I could see it happen.

by ddtraveller on Aug 24, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I voted Xanders

just because I was thinking Xanders’ GM image basically got trampled in the dirt when McD was in town, so Xanders may not especially feel loyal to ANY of the draft choices during those two years – especially the high profile ones. Weber this year is a choice supported by Xanders, I’m assuming, since the process was quite different this year than in the past.

With a potential bias against the McD picks over the last couple of years I gave Xanders the nod. But reading some of the above arguments for a player, I might be leaning more in that direction, now. “Highly knowledgeable about the organization” could be anyone… anyone.

Hmmm… could it be Bena? LOL!

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
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by BroncTastic on Aug 24, 2011 8:27 AM MDT reply actions  

I have a confession to make...

IT WAS ME!

www.twitter.com/eljbow

16-0 until we aren't

162-0 until we aren't

by thejbow on Aug 24, 2011 8:34 AM MDT reply actions  

I thought it sounded like you

but I didn’t want to say anything ‘cause I wasn’t sure.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Aug 24, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

No Vote

This story should go away. Untill the team releases someone or makes an official announcement this is just speculation. Why feed the monster?

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 24, 2011 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

WOW

My point is who cares? Posted on another article basically calling out MHR for adding to the maddness, and now the leader of the site is speculating in a game of who said? Like I said before I enjoy the site and appreciate the work but this is ridiculous. When is this conversation gonna get back to football? This is getting worse than a gossip column. If the discussion is going to be quarterbacks, why not some actual gritty meat and potatoes analysis as opposed to this?

by Bronco Mike on Aug 24, 2011 8:37 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

BENA

How come you didn’t create this same awesome poll when McDaniels was ratting out for the spying thing in London.

My guess on the rat – Prieffer. My second guess (close second) is Studs, since he retained his job as a protected whistle blower and got the promote to interim HC.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Mr Burns?!?

I blame smithers

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why Burns? That seems like an odd choice to me.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’d always thought it was him.

Someone who’d been around long enough to be a Shanahan Guy and someone who felt comfortable approaching the big boss with information that he knew would eventually get McD sacked. And despite how terrible the special teams have been over the years he’s never been fired. Someone likes the guy.

Of course I could just be pulling all this outta my ass

by mikebirty on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don’t say that. I like your rational.

Burns just seems more like a rah rah guy that can get low paid players to put their bodies in extreme danger for the sake of usually unimportant return or coverage.

He seems more like the motivational type and less like the scheming type.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope its not Lloyd. I hope its an Alfred type.

Lloyd is playing for big bucks this year, and Orton will get him more money than Tebow would. That is a motive.

This subject is depressing.

luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan

by chikndnnr on Aug 24, 2011 8:58 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

now THAT makes sense to me

Big Al has been all over the place with not only Tebow, but the Broncos as well. Enough to question his ability to evaluate over his emotional media podium.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 24, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are you talking Alfred Williams? Is he a Bronco employee?

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

Just very opinionated and not consistently.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

First time poster. But I can get on board with this

I finally got to watch the recording of the Buffalo game last night. And one thing that struck me as odd was the body language between Alfred and John Elway when he was in the booth. Something didn’t seem right. Almost like Alfred was trying to avoid him and Elway seemed very “turned off” by standing next to him. Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, but that really struck me as odd.

by RebelChris on Aug 24, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

None of the options...

A gossipy receptionist with an associates degree…

by jholm7 on Aug 24, 2011 9:00 AM MDT reply actions  

Hmmm...

“Flat out” and “guy” are coach speak or player speak… Merrill Hodge is also a fan of the “flat out” descriptor – look it up on line and you will see he uses this a lot. Xanders has too much invested in TT to say this. Elway is too smart although he is twitter pals with the yahoo reporter – if he said it then it was probably woth other things so it would likely be out of context. Sounds like Fox but he is also too smart. Probably a player like Loyd. Loyd has been going back and forth on TT and KO – started the season by saying let’s get this TT thing started and has been backtracking since. Seems like BL has a big mouth to me to go along with his big talents so I vote BL.

Kyle Orton as in Ortonairy... serviceable at best is what we hope for?

by turnman on Aug 24, 2011 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

John

This whole thing is making me more jaded than ever.

I guess we have to remember that this is almost a 10 Billion dollar industry.

Yahoo wants CLICKs and Silver admitted so, otherwise he would have written the VonDoom story.

Elway has been preaching “open-ness” and has been a tweeting fool, now silent…..

Orton on the trading block and then NOT.

Coach-speak, Front office-speak, its all BS!

like chikndnnr say above, this subject is depressing

by Clompy on Aug 24, 2011 9:16 AM MDT reply actions  

There is the possibility

That they are choosing to ignore it because it just isn’t true. Just saying.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 24, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Amen brother!

No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well then Im even more depressed

stand up and squelch it instead…….

someone said it or Silver wouldn’t have wrote it, he’s not that stupid

by Clompy on Aug 24, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

And that Sliver is a liar. I agree.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Didn’t John Elway come out and say, on the record,
“I’d never give up on Tim Tebow”? Does it matter what anyone else thinks?

by asdqqq on Aug 24, 2011 9:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Of course not!

We’ll ALWAYS value an unnamed source who talked to a no-name Yahoo writer than John Elway.

Sad….. but it’s true.

by scooter17 on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

In John We Trust

I just want all of this to end already.

Iron Maiden's Gonna Get You

by OldSchoolOrange on Aug 24, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

It probably is a player, the more I think about it. Most likely Brandon Lloyd. If not, if that info and the info that Mike Lombardi alleges has been leaking from EFX, then that is gross mismanagement and irresponsible in the extreme.

I also agree that the front office needs to make some sort of public statement and clear this crap up. I’m sick of it.

by Gristle McThornbody on Aug 24, 2011 9:20 AM MDT reply actions  

What about McCoy, the OC?

He’s the one who designs the offense and calls the plays. I would think his opinion of the QBs would be very important.

History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte

by Schwerepunkt on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Anyone else suspicious of some using "highly knowledgeable member of the Denver Broncos" without naming the source.

Tell us who your source is and we will decide if they are highly knowledgeable. At this point the highly knowledgeable source could be the janitor that cleans the locker room for all we know.

by Adam Manter on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

I wanted to vote: Eric Studesville

But the lack of that option and the gravitation to blame Joe Ellis sucked in my vote. I believe it was Studs though for a few reasons:

1) As the interim head coach he was surely propositioned, by all the bottom feeders, and could make connections with dbags like Silver all day.

2) Have you watched the replays of Tebow during the Texans game last year? He flat out demands the ball (the one time I have ever seen Tim lose composure and show his immaturity). If I were a coach that would have gotten lodged in my craw to this day.

3) Since Studs was for all practical purposes forced to play Tebow, he may have some resentment for Tim at having lost so many games in his big shot at the job. Then blames Tim for being stripped of the HC job.

4) Add a dash of being a highly knowledgeable source, who does not have any real experience evaluating QB’s.

by InRodWeTrust on Aug 24, 2011 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

From all the accounts...

We’ve had during training camp, Weber had very limited reps which conflicts with the premise of the column. If Weber was performing that much better than Tebow, wouldn’t we see an increase in his reps? We should ask our resident Camp Man, KaptainKirk if he noticed that increase? Much was made of Brady Quinn moving into the #2 spot last week, but Fox has been on record as saying it was for evaluation purposes. Training Camp has ended, and so has are insight to what is going on at camp. Anything we hear going forward that isn’t uttered directly by a representative of the team is merely speculative and should be taken accordingly.

This qoute seems like something that could have been plucked from a much larger context and then sensationalized. It’s not the first time that has happened.

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by CH74 on Aug 24, 2011 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

You are right

Weber’s reps did not increase with the 11 on 11’s. He got plenty of reps as Camp QB—giving the Running Backs someone to catch passes from and scout team QB, etc.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 24, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

So what we

Are left with is not really a story at all. The consensus view has been Tebow needs more work and when you read between the lines, that is all this column is saying. Back to your regularly scheduled programming!

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

go broncos!

It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy

by Zac Man on Aug 24, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

8-8 til we ain’t!!!

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go Broncos

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 24, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

UNDEAFTED TIL WE AINT!!!

It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy

by Zac Man on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Matt Prater.

It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy

by Zac Man on Aug 24, 2011 9:32 AM MDT reply actions  

luv the unis

like to see an orange and blue version with the grey facemasks

by Clompy on Aug 24, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've got those socks.

The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.

by Troy Hufford on Aug 24, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Once an idiot kicker, always an idiot kicker.

Going to tittie bars now throwing Timmy under the bus. I see it.

by Gristle McThornbody on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

He is too preoccupied with stripper hookers and booze to wasted his time on a boring Silver interview. He’s got far more exciting ways to spend his free time.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

not necessarily in that order McGeorge

sometimes he prefers his booze then his hookers!

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Then he’s got it backwards. Only need the booze if she’s fat or ugly.

If she’s strippin, she is probably worth rememberin.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

eh

I’ve seen a lot of fat and ugly hookers out there. Just check your local online police blotter for them :)

sex sells regardless of how fat and ugly you are if you’re female, its the oldest paying job in the history of man kind :)

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 24, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

You think Prater is a big game hunter? I kind of like the thought of this. We need some dirty dogs on the team to balance out some of those high character, versatile losers McD preferred.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

They dont have the big ones at Shotgun Willy's though

If he was at saturdays, then I’d be really really disappointed in him.

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-Tom Jackson

by Calikula on Aug 24, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is exactly why I don't like to talk to the media........

they use “annonymous” sources or take what is being said out of context. Man I would really suck as a politician.

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

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Why would anyone want to live in Oakland?

by mdierk on Aug 24, 2011 9:52 AM MDT reply actions  

WHO?

Who do you think the sourse was John????

by Baghdad on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM MDT reply actions  

I believe John said he was inclined to believe it was a player

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Aug 24, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

There were also off the record comments from

“one high-ranking member of the Broncos’ organization” saying "Sometimes the best things that happen to you in life are the things that don’t happen." (About the failed Orton trade, apparently)

“one executive” (in context, it’s suggested to be a Broncos executive) saying "Forget about how he delivers the ball, or how accurate it is. First he has to know where to go with it."

If all 3 unnamed sources are the same person (which isn’t necessarily true – the other 2 say nothing about Webber), then it wouldn’t be a player. However, those other 2 aren’t that striking – they say they are glad to still have Orton (which isn’t that controversial) and that Tebow needs to work on getting out from under center (which doesn’t mean he’s worse than Webber, it is just an area that needs work).
So, I guess I agree that it is some player – probably Lloyd, since he is talking so glowingly about Webber. It isn’t necessarily his absolute position, but what he was feeling after seeing Webber throw some particularly good passes. So, Silver got his quote (and padded it with some other less controversial anonymous quotes) to tell the story that would get people to look at it and talk about it.

by Summitgrad on Aug 24, 2011 10:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Colfax

I’ve noticed on my way to the Broncos games alot of stunning and classy ladies on Colfax ave.What are they selling???

by Baghdad on Aug 24, 2011 10:14 AM MDT reply actions  

Ask Prater. He knows.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

hrm

I actually looked at the denver broncos staff page to think about this last night.

There are a lot of high-up people that aren’t on the football side. Like the entire “director’s advisory board”. Any one of those blow-hards would be considered high-up, and think of themselves as a football authority when they’re not.

But if we assume it’s someone on the football side, there are fewer options.

One other note, we’ve also heard that Fox is actually rather generous about saying things on background and unsourced – one of the reasons reporters love him.

by tunesmith on Aug 24, 2011 10:26 AM MDT reply actions  

It's Lloyd. I'm 100% certain

He uses the phrase “All things being equal” frequently (in interviews) and he’s a well known advocate of Orton.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 24, 2011 10:53 AM MDT reply actions  

A released player

LenDale White? Someone who has been in camp

This is BRONCO COUNTRY!

by gahoagie on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

It's Lloyd

which means it’s pretty much meaningless

by BroncosRock! on Aug 24, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

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