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Denver Broncos Training Camp Notes: The Overlooked

So the number one story this training camp has been the quarterbacks, and it has been close. Each time a new report from Kaptain Kirk or the Denver Post, fans start scanning for any news about Orton, Tebow and Quinn. It makes sense, but a lot has gone unnoticed, and I was hoping to share some information on players at key positions that may have gone unnoticed or overlooked. Since so many fans forget about anyone other than the quarterbacks, I decided to do the leg work and do some research to bring some names to the forefront.

I will be calling upon interviews with our own Kaptain Kirk as well as two friends (Rebekah and Jeremy) who attended training camp. I will also be using tweets and articles written by MHR's best Sayre and John Bena, as well as MaxDenver, Vic Lombardi, and others who attended training camp. So I'll be taking what these men, and one women, have seen from camp and compiling their thoughts on a number of topics. Now not all of these players are super stars, heck a few of them did pretty poorly, but these names kept showing up in almost ever report I read from those who actually attended training camp, not just the cliff notes version.

Lets get to it!

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Kaptain Kirk Interview:

Excerps from my interview with Kaptain Kirk:

Myself: Larsen, has he been taking all his snaps at FB or has he been spending time at LB?

Kirk: He has a blue jersey (offense) and hasn't played any defense. He has been on ST's. I have seen him line up in the backfield (at FB) and he may have caught one pass that I can remember, but it doesn't seem like they have used him catching passes out of the backfield like we used to see Howard Griffith do. I HAVE seen him lined up out at Wide Receiver, and he doesn't go in motion or switch places pre-snap like I've seen Knowshon do.

Myself: How has he looked in blocking?

Kirk: I haven't noticed anything--good or bad. you can interpret that as; not drawing attention to himself and doing his job. Or not. He is a vet and even though he has the same job as last year, I don't think the job description is the same. I have seen Julius Thomas and Richard Quinn lined up at FB, and Austin Sylvester and Mario Fannin have taken reps at FB. Sylvester is a straight FB, but Fannin could be a force if he is a good blocker. We already know he is fast, elusive and can catch.

Myself: So we are seeing TE's and FB's be used interchangeably?

Kirk: So far yes.

Myself: Okay, I like that, we saw some of that last season with Gronk and Larsen. Okay next question I do have to ask, we know Doom and Ayers are likely going to be our starters at DE. But we have a lot of other players there as well. Hunter started for us last season and played well enough, we also have a lot of younger talent there, so has anyone stood our or who do you see being our main back ups

Kirk: On Defense, I've seen Doom and Ayers lined up next to each other on the right and Miller on the left at SAM. Then on the next play, they are switched with Ayers at LE, Doom at RE and Von lined up over by Doom. I have seen Von lined up around where the MLB should be too. Dennis Allen has got them moving 2 and 3 times before the snap and I think he will have a lot to do with how good the defense will be.

Myself:  So staying with the defense, and my final train of thought, let's go to the safeties. Are Fox and Allen running them like a typical cover 2, is there usually one in the box, Are Fox and Allen staying basic or switching up the style.

Kirk: One in the box and one centerfielder with the CB's playing man. I have seen the LB's drop into coverage too, so they must be doing some Cover 2.

Myself: Okay, so we are seeing more nickle play then? Also, who is playing deep safety?

Kirk: Cox has been the nickel. It seems like Moore has been deep and Carter in the box. McBath has had reps and if I'm not mistaken, both Moore and Carter have played with him. I do remember Carter and McBath together and Moore and Carter together.

Myself: Okay that is what I was thinking, Moore is just replacing Hill as a deep safety while Carter is coming in to replace Dawk in the long run. McBath makes sense to play deep S as well to me.

Notes on Other Players:

So for these I will list the sources I used, and then compile the quotes into a paragraph. There were small edits for punctuation due to Twitter. Also any "..." indicates a new tweet, author or paragraph.

Austin Sylvester:

Based on, Kirk, Rebekah and MaxDenver

Is really struggling to pick up a block, from the outside, inside or anywhere... Is dropping passes more often than you'd expect from a FB, which usually don't catch well... Is showing off his ability to trip at the snap, did so twice today... Sylvester is really struggling the passing game, can't catch... Hands like lead, no speed or vision, yea there's a reason this guy didn't even make the draft... This guy makes the team, I'll have to do a number of things to fulfill some bets I have.

Eric Decker:

Based on Rebekah, Sayre, Jeremy, and Cecil

Showing speed enough to beat on DB in the open, and just out muscled Williams for a catch... Man handling any CB who tries to hold him at the line, just seems like he picks them up, moves them then runs, it's great... Speed and size are helping him, just needs work on his routes and stopping DB's from making a play, let Champ get an interception today... Just blazed by Goodman, speedy guy, even if he wasn't thrown at... I love what I'm seeing from Decker, he has every skill to be successful, just some more time running the routes and he could be a #1 WR any day.

Syd'Quan Thompson (Squid):

Based on MaxDenver, Jeremy, Rebekah, John Bena, and Vic Lombardi

Okay so I did some research, every single practice, Squid has had an interception, Champ hasn't done that, nor has Goody or Cox, no safety either, that's something to me... When camp started, my ceiling for Syd'Quan was "solid nickelback." I would upgrade that now. Think he can be a solid starter... He's all over the place, making picks on the right, left and center of the field, can you say roaming safety?...  Anyone who says this guy is slow is crazy, just kept up with Royal, turned and swatted the ball away, while he's no CJ2K, he can move.. He just read Tebow like a book, it was like Tebow said "Hey Squid, I throwing to you." and Squid was like "That's cool man, just put it right here" and Tebow did so with great accuracy... He's a little ninja!

Robert Ayers:

Based on Rebekah, Vic, and MaxDenver

Has made the switch (from OLB to DE) very well... Has he been working out because it looks like he's doing something differently from the past two seasons... Not built to be a sack machine, even at DE, but with Doom and Miller, he's make it easy for that side by crushing the pocket and flushing who ever is QB at the time into Dooms arms... Is still lacking production numbers wise, but should be a much bigger part in creating pressure on that side, look for increased sack on the side opposing him... Needs work on a lot of levels if he's to create sacks, but he is improved, and should put away any "bust" fears, unless you purely look at numbers, but from watching camp, he's doing a lot of work down there, it's just not going to show up in the stats on Sunday.

Nate Irving:

Based on Vic, MaxDenver and Cecil

This kid plays strong... Moves fluidly, but just isn't making the reads he needs to be a starter at MLB yet. Besides that, he's strong, got decent speed, and is quick in the hips, just isn't ready mentality and is biting too often, or misreading backs... I saw he just lifted Green up, which was impressive, but that was about it, is physical, but not making good tackles or reading the QB or the running back... I like him, he looks and plays tough, but he just isn't there yet. I think Mays is a decent MLB, not great, but Irving is making Mays look pretty good... Irving, he's just got to get used to the game, some time as a 2nd string guy, watching a lot of game film, and practices, and he'll be a solid player in the future, but he just needs to learn more, at this point, he's not ready, not by a long shot, way too many mistakes for a starter.

 

So there we have it, Denver has a team, let's focus on that. Remember that we have other players, some who are making an impact, some who are struggling. But there is more to this season than Orton and Tebow, heck my favorite player on this team isn't a quarterback, and I'm more excited for our pass rush and running game than I am to see either Orton or Tebow play. Let's focus on the team, while I know Orton and Tebow create waves and send traffic to Mile High Report, I'd love to see as much attention paid to some of our other players as we spend on our QB's.

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I voted for a raiders player, just kidding a bronco

nice write up – it’s a nice change.

I was curious about these guys too, especially Irving.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 11:15 AM MDT reply actions  

I wish we’d sign Lofa Tatupu to a one year deal. Seeing a lot of those deals lately.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

you and me both

but not having Tatupu will give Irving a chance to get more time in game as a #2.

With Tatupu here, he may only be a #3.

We’re not winning a super bowl this year, might as well get some game time for our rookies. I would say the same about Tebow, although since the MSM have slaughtered him while he’s only a backup, imagine what they would do if we started him instead? Tebow needs to sit and wait until he’s ready. Footwork is what he needs to concentrate on, accuracy and speed will come.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d rather Denver cut Mays loose and sign Tatupu as Irving’s placeholder. Not sure Bowlen has the coin, but I know we have the cap room. Should be good for an extra W or two, but it will cost a few million. Not sure how much an extra W is worth to Pat?

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I could go for this

but I think Mays will be a great backup and would be good depth in the very near future, which is why I would be hesitant. I wouldn’t mind cutting Jones though and bringing in Tatupu :)

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt Nate Jones has a roster spot reserved for him on the 53.

We’d have to cut someone of more substance. Which is why I picked Mays because I think he does have a spot waiting for him on the 53.

Most cuts at that point do hurt a little.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

true

he just hurts a lot having him as depth. Of course, if he’s better than other’s then… geesh, our depth sucks.

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would be really happy with that move

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by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure Bowlen has the coin for it.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can see it

but he might need a full year of playing #2

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eric Olsen?

Guard/Center? I haven’t heard a word about him. Just Manny Ramirez at Center (behind Walton).

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by bradley on Aug 25, 2011 11:28 AM MDT reply actions  

Olsen is our best backup

he can play C and G, and has been doing well there. When it all shakes out, I think fans should be hopeful for one quality backup, and a couple of guys to develop, since no team in the league has solid 2 deeps behind a good line…they tend to have one guy who could plug in well in an emregency, and several developmental guys who would struggle under the best of circumstances.

If Olsen is our main swing player inside, it likely means that Denver would use him at C/LG/RG in the event of injury there, and swap him with Beadles in the event of injury at OT. Ideally we get a swing tackle sorted out who can step in in that case, but it is a longshot. They may roll with an unerqualified swing tackle anyways, just to avoid too much upheaval in the event of injury… lots of scenarios make sense.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 25, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks. That's good news

I like Olsen as a person – he seems to be well centered with a likeable personality.

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by bradley on Aug 25, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he is our swing guy

Does that mean we can dump Hoch? I hear our backup tackles are much better than our interior…with the general lack of talent behind our starters, I can’t see us keeping more than 8 OL on the roster…not sure what Fox usually does in that department though.

by Muse_Cubed on Aug 25, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love Eric as primary C/G bu. BUT

He is third on depth and only plays with 3rd’s. Daniels is 2 guard with Hochstein #3. Olsen only plays when one of them is out. AND I have seen no one behind them.

by myerda00 on Aug 25, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Our Oline MUST stay healthy then

this is where we have the least depth IMO.

by Clompy on Aug 25, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

unrelated to this post

is there anyway MHR can include an edit button? I’ve made a few grammer mistakes from time to time and had to reply just to correct myself. It would be nice for the replies to have an edit button to stop from this. Heck, I’ve even replied to correct myself, and made another mistake. Thats when the alcohol comes in :)

I’m sure most of MHR would agree this would be a nice change.

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just use the Preview button and you won't need to edit

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 25, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

I’m lazy. For the most part, I don’t have too many, thus being lazy. So for us lazy people, it would be nice.

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It is very worrisome to me that Irving is so behind in the mental aspects of the game. This wouldn’t bother me nearly as much if he were a CB, DT, pass rusher or SS that relied on speed or strength or any number of athletic gifts.

But an ILB wears the green dot. And ILB needs to be cerebral.

He is a rookie and has a lot to learn, but being a smart player is also something that comes naturally to most of the good ones.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 11:28 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I think Irving will be ok in the cerebral dept.

right now he is struggling with vertical aspect of Fox’s MLB somatotype. He does fine heading downhill and disrupting the running game, but he is more of a liability than Mays when he is asked to drop back. He made a one armed tackle last week, exhibited some good presence in the LOS scrum, got embarassed in his zone a couple of times. he was asked to play downhill in college, so while he has the tools to do what Fox is asking, he doesn’t have the experience (and missing football hasn’t helped).

Honestly, I would have to say he is coming along quickly, just not quickly enough to upset the depth chart going into the opener.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 25, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

thanks Jeremy for the insight

I wasn’t worried with out he was coming along from what I read either. He is faced with a very shortened camp, learning a new system, I didn’t expect him to be a game 1 starter. But it’s nice to hear exactly what he is struggling with. He’s not used to dropping back probably, and sounds like he needs to make a quicker read in order to drop back in coverage.

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s had some rough plays in preseason when I watched him specifically.

I know MLB is a huge task because it comes with the green dot on most teams. I’m not worried that Irving can’t handle the physical aspects of the position (I think he can), but I do worry about his instincts and smarts. I’ve haven’t seen either yet.

I have in other players like Moore, Miller and Mohammad. When other rookies look smarter, that’s when I worry because they are starting from the same ground floor as Irving.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Irving

will do twice the film study and workouts next offseason that the lockout forced him to miss, I still think he’ll be a wise investment. Fox knows how to find defensive playmakers so I trust Irving’s potential

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by the new Bradfather on Aug 25, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

ditto

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Irving has to be doing something right, because

Haggan was moved from #2 MLB to #2 SAM, with Irving now #2 MLB.

by myerda00 on Aug 25, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good to hear

I have a feeling this dude is going to be a real player at some point, and that we got him for a steal.

by JeffG on Aug 25, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been pleasently surprised by Mays.

Go back to the dallas game, I think the first run play. He literally runs up and PANCAKES their guard (I think), the only reason the guard didn’t fall straight to his back was because another lineman was behind him which held him up. After battering that guy like a big horn sheep Mays cracked their RB for a loss. He is a one man wrecking machine. I know he over pursues once in a while, but I love Mays…I’m 100% certain having that guy in the middle makes players think twice and I love that.

On top of the fact that he hits like a mack truck he’s also been covering well, with a few INT’s in camp. I’m rooting for Irving of course, but I’m pretty stoked on Mays.

by Mile High ThundaDownUnda on Aug 25, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see Mays playing rugby. I think he’d be good at the scrums and physical aspects of that sport. He wouldn’t be much of a runner or kicker, but he’d hit the crap out of some dudes.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Give him time. MLB is perhaps the toughest defensive position to learn. Adjusting the the speed of the pro game and digesting all of the terminology without the benefit of a full offseason is a lot to expect. I would wager that Irving will take over as the starter before the end of the season, but after a minimum of 8 games. MLB will be a weakness for us during the first half of the season, but it will improve.

by DoubleJay on Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hope you are right. I don’t see much untapped upside in Mays so that improvement will likely have to come in the form of another player.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Corner is tougher

But I think MLB is damn close, +1

by Warren Todd on Aug 25, 2011 2:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

MLB is among the hardest spots to learn

In the NFL because on most defenses they act as the QB of the defense, as well as usually roaming, either to stop the run or make a play in coverage. It’s tough to play MLB in a 4-3, but if you are good at it, you get paid well. I like Irving, but I am fine with him not starting yet, it’s not like he’s a 1st round pick or some super player, he’s a developmental guy who could be a starter in the future.

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by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok, after reading all of it...

I like what was said about ayers. If he can hold his side up, then doom and von will have great numbers! We all just need to recognize that ayers should get an assist every once in a while, if he doesn’t get a sack. excited about the WR’s too.

by alkatraz76 on Aug 25, 2011 11:29 AM MDT reply actions  

The emergence of Decker or Royal as a dangerous #2 will do wonders for Orton. He hasn’t had a good #2 WR as a Bronco.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

and so will the emergence of an actual running game

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't agree about the running game.

Moreno averaged 4.3 yards per carry last year. I’m not so sure he’ll do much better than that in 2011. 4.3 ypc is about standard for a #1 RB.

I think a legit #2 WR and a breathing TE will do more for Orton than a juiced up running game because the running game wasn’t all that bad last season, especially in the 2nd half of the year when Orton played his worst ball. Moreno was pretty awesome in KC when we lost 10-6 due entirely to Kyle’s struggles that day.

As for the 2010 season, it didn’t help that Royal was wildly inconsistent and Dan Graham had hands of stone (ditto on Buckhalter). Or that Gronk and Rich Quinn really suck. Give Orton two more reliable targets and I think that helps him the most.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the 2nd half of last year made up for the first

think of the first half of 2010, running game was atrocious, the only reason our passing attack worked was because some defenses kept falling for play action. I mean, didn’t we have some games where we ran for under 50 yards? A good defense wouldn’t bite on play action if their front 3 or 4 can stop the run every time

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s weird that Orton got worse as the running game got better.

Or maybe he really was just badly injured, but too stubborn to do the right thing and take himself off the field. A leader doesn’t cost his teams games like Orton did vs KC and Arizona.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe

Kyle lead the team in rushing in one game, maybe two. It was bad early on. We just never got the whole game together till the very end and then it was too late. Coach fired, change in QB, RB’s getting injured. I would like to see a season with very few changes/injuries. One can only hope.

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 26, 2011 6:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I do think Moreno will be statistically better this year, behind a healthy OLine with more continuity than it had last year.

His running style won’t change much from last year, as he’s only SLIGHTLY faster… but hopefully better blocking will make that extra speed count all the more.

I totally agree with the WR/TE sentiments. Orton struggled for several reasons, not the least of which being targets that could help him out and get to the ball. An improved defense would also go a long way, giving him shorter fields to work with – as well as having to put less points on the board. Orton should make as big of a leap this year (production-wise) as he did from 2009 to 2010, if our OLine is healthier, the run game is better, the WR/TEs stay healthy, and the Defense actually stops people for more than 6 games a year.

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by Alexander Wall on Aug 25, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alex

Quarterbacks tend to throw off their back foot when behind a shaky line. They are anticipating a hit rather than trusting on the 5 in front of them to get their jobs done. Orton was like this when he first came to Denver, but because we had a solid line 2 years ago, he was able to trust the guys up front, thus he quickly got out of that habit, but if you watched him in Chicago, you would have noticed this. Last year, they kind of fell apart, but it hurt our run game more than anything.

Would you say that a shaky line would also hinder a running backs speed as he is anticipating more rather than just playing downhill or being patient looking for holes?

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by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Orton will lead a more productive scoring offense, which is the most important thing for a QB, but I also think his stats will decline. He’ll miss McDaniels and his QB coaching skills. Josh brought a lot out of Orton, Lloyd and the passing game. I doubt McCoy can match what we lost in this particular area with the loss of McDaniels. If there is one place we miss McD most, it will be seen in the passing game and QB play. Those were Josh’s most core competencies.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Put a mic on his head, with the playsheet in front of him and blinders on both the sides. Then McDaniels would be amazing for us.

I’m honestly more disappointed in the way Bowlen handled that situation than how badly McDaniels managed us. He never should have had that much power, and then tossing him mid-year… that through this franchise into quite a dilemma before an unknown lockout that the owners had to know was coming.

I didn’t like that mess one bit, but glad we’re past it. Now we just need to pick up the peices (that work) and start getting back to winning football games again.

I think that there is some drop-off from McDaniels staff with passing compared to Fox’s, but not much. Fox seems to know what he doesn’t know, and has put guys in place that can get the job done. I am hoping the decline in passing stats this year will be because of a steep incline in rushing stats. But that’s just my hope. Either way I know we’ll get to see a good Defense, and that’s what I like. Games that end with the opposing team scoring less than 10 points are my kind of games, even if we only win by one point!

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by Alexander Wall on Aug 26, 2011 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’d be thrilled if Denver won every game 7-6.

I also think the folks that believe Orton will take a step forward as a passer with a better running game and no McD are putting too much into the better running basket and not taking into account McD’s abilities as a coach guru and passing game wiz.

No McD is the #1 reason why I think we’ll all consider Orton nothing more OR less than average after the 2011 season. The passing game will be more on Orton in 2011 than it was in 2010 with McD at the controls.

I think a running game and better D will help a lot as well as help Orton win some games, but when Orton is pressed to win games with his arm in 2011, I think we’ll lose the majority of those particular contests.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 26, 2011 6:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just think

with the addition of McGahee and power running, there will be less need to lean on Ortons arm. If…. that is an issue, the affect will be deminished by less need.

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 26, 2011 6:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't really see why there needs to be a decline

If we are running better like I think we will. We will be passing better. Fewer attempts with more completions. The running game gets us first downs so we have more downs to make passes. It’s simple really. If we are not going three and out we have to be adding stats somewhere. We will add running stats to an already good passing game.

Go Broncos.

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 26, 2011 6:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

The thing is

Orton needs the run because he is best with an effective play-action. That buys him the time to pick the best target. If that doesn’t happen, I agree that his numbers will regress.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 26, 2011 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Orton was effective with play action last season when we couldn’t run for squat. You probably remember how all the game day commentators kept pointing this out and how funny it was that teams would bite on the play action when our running game was so bad.

Kyle makes amazing play action fakes.

But Sean’s logic works well in a vacuum, but in practice, Orton had several of his worst games in 2010 when our running game successful. From his two years in Denver, Orton tends to play better when he is passing the ball a lot.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 26, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It all goes back to the roots.

Orton ran a spread in college. They passed a LOT, that is the way he learned to play the game – and although it is possible for him to put up great statistics in limited throws… the probability isn’t good. More attempts means more chances at making big plays.

And as for the McDaniels part… I’ve been watching every St.Louis game so far this preseason. In fact against KC the other night Bradford made a beautiful play action that set up a wide-open pitch and catch in the back of the end-zone. Not only did the beautiful fake make defenders bite, but the play design fit it perfectly. I think THAT is what McG is talking about with McDaniels passing-game wizardry and I agree. In the passing attempts I have seen out of Denver so far this pre-season, it looks like a lot of what the rest of the league is doing, but there are a few teams in the league that run some distinctly special plays in the passing game (like the Pats used to and the Rams now do).

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by Alexander Wall on Aug 30, 2011 2:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think this Daniel Fells

has a pulse! It’s been a while since we’ve had a good #86, I think Byron Chamberlain was the last one!

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by the new Bradfather on Aug 25, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Moreno and the OL struggled in short-yardage, goal line and on third downs

His 4.3 YPC is misleading, IMO, because he couldn’t convert a 3rd and 2. The bigger problem is that defenses knew it so they were ready for the pass, making it tougher to convert for Kyle.

Moreno didn’t have a bad year and certainly played better once Ryan Harris came back and regained his health during the final third or so of the season.

I hear opposing running backs laughing again - well, giggling at least. So where's the beef?!? Ignore this problem and I'm going to hold that against you... E, F and X. P.S. I'm already and still mad at you Little Vicky!

by Rodney A on Aug 25, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

How can ypc be misleading. That stat accounts for every run in a season. I don’t know a more encompassing stat for an RB. Name one if you can.

Moreno’s ypc shows that Orton wasn’t always in 3rd and 9 like we want to remember. We really did fail on a lot of 3rd and 3s, via pass or run. And we kicked a lot of short FGs because our running game really wasn’t as terrible as folks claim it was. Was it great? NO. But Moreno was our #1 RB and he had a decent ypc. Tebow also had a good ypc.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Take out the one good game in KC and Moreno rushed for 3.8 YPC. Take away his only other 100 yard receiving game (also against KC) and that number goes down even further and just over 500 yards on the season. In the final three games of the season, when Tebow was in, Ryan Harris was back and the running game was better, Knowshon rushed for just 65 yards total.

Moreno rushed for over 60 yards just three times last year. Total.

YPC is generally a good indicator, and I’d even agree that it’s generally the best indicator of a running back’s ability to run the football. But this is just a case where I can’t allow his YPC to cloud what my own eyes tell me. All of the above stats aside, Moreno just couldn’t pound the ball for a first down in short yardage and goal line situations. So while his 4.3 YPC was respectable, our running game was not. It continually failed us when it most mattered.

4.3 YPC indicates there was no problem in running the ball with Moreno in. But there was a problem. And it’s not all Moreno’s fault, of course. But again, I think 4.3 YPC misleads people into thinking there was no problem in our running game, but there was.

I hear opposing running backs laughing again - well, giggling at least. So where's the beef?!? Ignore this problem and I'm going to hold that against you... E, F and X. P.S. I'm already and still mad at you Little Vicky!

by Rodney A on Aug 25, 2011 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep there was something wrong

Our 2nd RB had a 2.5ypc(Buck) and Maroney’s average couldn’t even match that with his paltry 2.1ypc. IMO our biggest problem running the ball last season wasn’t the line(though it was definitely a part of it), it was the lack of quality depth. Hopefully our offseason moves will shore that issue up, so far so good.

by droom on Aug 26, 2011 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Moreno is a Chief killer. No doubt, but he wasn’t bad last year on the whole. He was hurt a lot, like in those last few games, but 4.3 ypc for a season tells me the same thing as it droom. That Maroney and Buck really really sucked.

I’m sure I could also pull out one or two of his bad games and his ypc would be back up at 4.3.

I think the folks assuming that a better running game =’s Orton will play better are taking a bit of a leap of faith. Orton played some of his best games when the running game was off and Kyle played some of his worst ball when the running game was working.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 26, 2011 6:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, you know how we do lol

Stats can be twisted pretty easily to suit a point. If you take out Moreno’s embarrassing week-two performance against the Hawks (51 yards on 24 carries).. it bounces his average up to 4.6 YPC on the season. (Hopefully he gets his vengeance tomorrow.)

So I’m picking up what you’re laying down and don’t disagree. But that’s sort of my point. Even though YPC is generally the best indicator, it can fluctuate easily and can be misleading at times. I guess I could go back and underline that Moreno rushed for over 60 yards just three times all year, but I think I’d be making the same mistake – I’d be making this about Moreno again.

What I’m really trying to say is just that Moreno’s very respectable YPC average last year isn’t an accurate reflection of how well we were able to run the ball in short yardage situations.

I think there’s room for a little bit of what all three of us are saying. Moreno had a respectable YPC, especially considering injuries and considering what the other backs did behind the same line. Maybe the best way to say it is that Moreno combined with last year’s line was able to keep a decent running game, but there was still a very real problem in short yardage situations that just won’t show up in that YPC Stat. We had no power running game. No push. It forced us to throw on third downs more often than we should have. Too many drive killers.

Take away the ability to pound the rock with three yards to go in the red zone and all the sudden it’s a lot tougher to pass (once the defenses realize that).

I hear opposing running backs laughing again - well, giggling at least. So where's the beef?!? Ignore this problem and I'm going to hold that against you... E, F and X. P.S. I'm already and still mad at you Little Vicky!

by Rodney A on Aug 26, 2011 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think the biggest thing helping Moreno this year (other than just being healthy)

Is having a few other good backs in the wings to spell him. And a guy (McGahee) to come in and take a crack at some of the real obvious power running downs. That will keep Moreno fresher (and even healthier) and leave him with more energy for his touches, and to spend in the passing game.

Regardless to whether or not this is going to improve Orton’s game, at least we knows that someone can carry this team (the Defense or Running Game) when Orton is at his worst. Which is an improvement over last year – at least team-wise. Either way we will know what we have in Orton after this year, and Tebow will get just a little more time to refine some of his weaknesses before the weight of winning is thrust onto his shoulders. I do NOT want him resorting to his legs and creating bad habits early. Or we’ll see another version of the ATL Mike Vick.

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by Alexander Wall on Aug 30, 2011 2:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Vick was exciting in ATL and the fans loved him.

But he wasn’t even half the QB he is now. Making great plays with his arm turns his legs into an even more dangerous weapon. That’s what I’d like to see out of Tebow as well.

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by Alexander Wall on Aug 30, 2011 2:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

The last three games

Our running stats sayed up, even improved. Our backs touches declined because the QB was running the ball. Over all team stats did not change much but the rushing stats moved from the RB’s to the QB.

I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Aug 26, 2011 6:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is it just me or is Decker looking really good this year? I really enjoy watching him play.

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by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

He looks good to me. Love his size.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

...

no comment

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he was making a joke

about what could be read the wrong way from McG’s comment.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
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by BroncTastic on Aug 25, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I knew I was in for it as soon as I hit post.

I will enjoy him outplaying Raider DB in a couple of weeks. I really think he might be our best receiver. Nothing against Eddie, Brandon or DT. The fact that he is number 3 says a ton about our receiving corps. I just have a feeling about the kid. I am getting really excited!

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by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree

He’s going to light it up week 1 I feel. Our receiving corps is probably if not the best in the league right now, it has to be up there. The pundits are a bunch of retards so I would like to see the rankings by someone not team biased, as well as a well known name for their accuracy in reporting and analysis on this.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

as far as I am concerned

I hate the retard pundit MSM almost as much as I hate the f’ing faiders. Hopefully our run game can make Orton more proficient and we can do our own analysis of our WR rankings after they make D’s look silly.

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by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

hence my avatar

you and i share similar thoughts :)

of course i hate the sparklers equally as bad as the faiders. Oddly enough, I don’t really have any animosity towards KC and root for them when they are playing san diego or oakland.

I think a combination of things will help Orton (or any of our QB’s when they take the field). I am in agreement with McGeorge that a TE with a pulse will help, better pass protection will help, but I also think the run game will be a big step.

Our run game improved the 2nd half of the season last year, but it was bad, bad, bad in the first half.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have been admiring your Avatar for many moons. It always puts a smile on my face. I am the same with KC. I guess I kind of respect them. Hate the Faiders and Sparklers.

"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow

by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

danke

I’m not the best graphics artist, but it did the job – and the point I’m sure was well received in this community :)

I think what does it for me is the fans. If the fans are respectful, I in turn respect them. The faiders fans are, well, pathetic. sparkler fans are just like their QB imo, and he leaves a lot to be desired from a moral standpoint. They claim it’s his competitive spirit, you can have a competitive spirit and not slander opposing teams fans when your slaughtering their team on the field. It’s childish, and immature. I think my 3 year old has more maturity than that.

At least KC has respectful fans.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Super Sparklers

and Faiders in Los Angeles together, sorry Angelenos, our hatred will be kindled against you

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by the new Bradfather on Aug 25, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

california sucks!

about the only team I don’t hate in california are the 49ers…. but I can’t say I like them either, I’m just indifferent.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please no!

I will take back the Lambs, but I would prefer Jacksonville – they needs a new start anyway. If Goodell want to be international, maybe SD can move a little south into TJ… that would make me happy. I keep expecting the surrounding cities to wall off Oakland and make it a large prison. That would also make me happy.

by Da Bum on Aug 25, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

of course i hate the sparklers equally as bad as the faiders. Oddly enough, I don’t really have any animosity towards KC and root for them when they are playing san diego or oakland.

Glad to know Im not the only one who feels this way

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by Calikula on Aug 25, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Definitely not

Although, if Haley continues to be such a , KC may not be on my respected list much longer. That guy is an ass. If he acts like that against us this year, I hope Fox pops him one and makes him cry on TV.

by Da Bum on Aug 25, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Amen to that

Wasnt he crying the other day about the Ravens running up the score on them? I hate that. To make it worse, it was a frickin preseason game he’s crying about. Who cares?

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by Calikula on Aug 25, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good stuff!

There are more than three players on this team and I for one, AVOID articles about the QB controversy if at all possible. There are many far more important and intriguing (to me, at least) stories going on in Broncos camp right now that will have much more impact on our team this year than what kind of yogurt Tim Tebow likes.

Leave Tim Tebow alone. I don't hear him insulting YOUR footwork.

by TheMastermind on Aug 25, 2011 11:32 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

hahahahahaha

just noticed your avatar.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's my favorite kind of yogurt

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by the new Bradfather on Aug 25, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's my favorite

 I like to watch “Halloween” as i eat it.

It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy

by Zac Man on Aug 25, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh man

All I think about is the SNL skit. I could not stop laughing.

by Da Bum on Aug 25, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

And BTW

Love what I’m reading about Decker. Good pickup, that kid. And I’ll go ahead and say it – there was all that hand wringing over Syd’Quan’s 40 times when we picked him up and someone in here laid into me for implying that would be more relevant in light of the kid’s other attributes if this were a track team. It’s important, but lateral speed and good ball awareness are MORE important. And Squid seems to have talent in both departments. So there.

And maybe – just maybe Ayers can find a productive niche now. Let’s hope so. We have not gotten first round production out of him thus far.

Leave Tim Tebow alone. I don't hear him insulting YOUR footwork.

by TheMastermind on Aug 25, 2011 11:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Lol. Nice profile picture.

Is it wrong to be extremely happy to see Cutler not be able to move the ball downfield with an improved OLine?

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by Alexander Wall on Aug 25, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about McCarthy?

You mentioned Bruton/McBath, bit it seems as though McCarthy is stealing reps…any idea how that came to be?

by Donkeylover on Aug 25, 2011 11:46 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I haven't heard much about him from anyone

But he has been decent from what limited news I have heard, he could make the squad pretty easily, especially with injuries.

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by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anyone up for signing Shaun O'Hara?

It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy

by Zac Man on Aug 25, 2011 11:52 AM MDT reply actions  

I would like that

I think O’Hara has some left. Similar to Weigman a couple of years ago.

by RebelChris on Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

O'Hara is reliable

you can never have too many good O-linemen, or good D-tackles or corners, well you get the idea

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by the new Bradfather on Aug 25, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure what the deal is

But the Niners passed on him when they desperately needed a starter. There has to be a reason…

by Da Bum on Aug 25, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

we just need depth/mentor

It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy

by Zac Man on Aug 25, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks for the non-QB report!

I’m very intrigued with what is going on at FB/TE. It sounds like that could be an exciting new aspect to our offense. If we can throw or run a “heavy” package, that would be a great development.

by MileHighPosse on Aug 25, 2011 11:53 AM MDT via iPhone app reply actions  

That was something on my mind as well

Since we saw Larsen, Fells and Thomas all get time at multiple positions, I’m excited to see how it plays out.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

team

Don’t understand the emotion of the quarterback thing. I’m excited about our new free agents and draftees. Thanks for covering other guys.Our team needs depth at all positions before we are going anywhere. Always thought Decker would make some noise. I thought Richard Quinn went on IR. Any chance the Broncos will pick up a quarterback when the cuts start?

by Baghdad on Aug 25, 2011 11:53 AM MDT reply actions  

SUPER excited for Decker.... white boy got game...

Moreno as well, he has looked like a different player these few games.
On defense, im impressed with McCarthy, and i am LOVING the fact that Squid is showing his stuff. Probably one of my favorite players on the team actually.
Obviously VonDoom is going to be a serious force… in fact i think Robet VonDoom will be a force together the three of them. this is ayers year i think (not break out neccesarily, but a very solid year for him).

Our overall secondary seems to have good depth. If we were to lose dawk and goody again, i honestly think we would be ok. Its nice to see less ? marks on defense..

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by Teboner on Aug 25, 2011 12:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, and I really do think

If we as fans look at the rest of our team, outside of the QB’s, we have some real talent, young talent, and could be looking even better 2012.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Terrific writeup, Max!

I’m looking forward to when Irving is ready. He’s a thumper and a baller with sideline-to-sideline speed. Decker also excites me: The good, big receiver was glaringly missing last year. Decker is that and then some . . .

BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Aug 25, 2011 12:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Surprised to not hear more about Vaughn in your write-up. I thought that he had taken over a lot of the reps at nickel instead of Cox as camp progressed.

by DoubleJay on Aug 25, 2011 12:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Vaughn was hot and cold

From just about every source I used, some great days, some bad. The players I selected were a theme throughout all the people I asked, only three even mentioned Vaughn outside of ST.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lloyd leaves practice with

groin irritation. As you can imagine, I’m irritated at this piece of news from Lindsay Jones

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by the new Bradfather on Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM MDT reply actions  

groin irritation? Sounds more like an issue I’d expect from Prater.

Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear there is medicated ointment you can get for most irritation's

or a pill, or shot, and if it’s really irritated, well, he’s gonna have a lot of ’splainin to do to his wife or girlfriend

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

What about Unrein?

The kid from Wyoming? I haven’t heard much from him or about him.

by RebelChris on Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM MDT reply actions  

I really haven't heard much about him, sorry

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by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

awesome!

I had not heard much of anything on Ayers. I’m glad he looks to be improving!

by It'sRC on Aug 25, 2011 12:55 PM MDT via iPhone app reply actions  

eh

I never did think Ayers was a bust. He wasn’t brought on to be a sack artist, he was brought on to get some pressure on the QB as well as for containment purposes. Not everyone is a sack machine :)

Ayers does his job well. It would be nice for him to get a sack every once in a while, but that’s not his job.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never thought so either

I went to school in Tennessee so naturally he is one of my favorite players :).

Watching the Buffalo game he did a good job of collapsing the pocket and was chasing Fitz when he threw the pic. I’m just glad I’m not the only one seeing improvement in his game.

by It'sRC on Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'm excited to have Ayers at DT for 3rd downs...

W/ VonDoom coming from the sides, and Ayers bull rush up the middle there’s nowhere for the QB to go. It’s going to be fun to watch this year. Who cares who gets the sack or pick as long as someone does! It’s going to be TEAM pressure…I’m frothing!

by Mile High ThundaDownUnda on Aug 25, 2011 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he plays up to his

first round status then with or without sacks we will be a ton closer to getting the D rebuilt and up to snuff.

"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow

by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

true

but that could be said about a lot of our players

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah but I see our D-Line as a big boo-boo that needs to be fixed. I would be even more excited to hear that Marcus Thomas was living up to his draft status.

"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow

by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

sounds as if Marcus Thomas is starting to get there

He reminds me of a Bunkley though, and I can’t complain about him any.

While not the best DT, he’s pretty good.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks and agreed.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great Read!

I am really excited about Decker and Squid and a hopefully rejuvenated Ayers. Thanks for the great information!

"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow

by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, appreciate it

And I am excited to see Ayers finding a spot where he can succeed.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

HIGH - LY REC !!!!!

Man, I’ve been saying there’s 21 other starting spots, and 52 other roster spots, that are just as intriguing and exciting to follow for me. Thanks for doing this md, keep it up.

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow

by azbroncomaniac on Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

do you follow the cheer squad?

those are, ummm…. exciting to watch too!

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

I started laughing when I realized your pole reminded me a lot of BFSD’s poles on all of his moch drafts..

"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow

by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 1:21 PM MDT reply actions  

he's back btw

I welcomed him back when he responded to a fan post :)

kinda missed the booger

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I saw him on a post yesterday. I am sure he is loving how the QB situation worked out. I really don’t want to talk to him about it. He does make things interesting though.

"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow

by MTBroncosFan on Aug 25, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha I had forgotten that

Wasn’t my intention though.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great job! Thanks for the report.

Could we get a second edition? I have quewstions on a couple of other players as well. Has anyone noticed a trend with Franklin at tackle? How about Beal? RebelChris already asked about Unrein. Great stuff maxwellsdemon, keep it up.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Aug 25, 2011 1:25 PM MDT reply actions  

I second this

It would be great to hear about some other players.

by It'sRC on Aug 25, 2011 1:43 PM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

If I can get enough unique info

From the sources, I will do another one, for sure. Beal is one guy I have heard a lot about, and will likely include him in the next one.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice compilation of quotes and thoughts

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 25, 2011 1:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, appreciate it.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know about my favorite player,

but I’m really intrigued by two young guys who played together at the University of Minnesota before becoming Broncos: Eric Decker and (I almost hate to say it) Adam Weber. (Having said that, I’m begging everyone to NOT turn this comment into another discussion of you know who. Thanks.)

by CompUser on Aug 25, 2011 1:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Haha it could spiral out of control

But I do agree, Decker is one of my favorite Broncos right now, and Weber did make waves at camp, it wasn’t just a thing that came out of nowhere, he looked good at times during camp. Weber will likely be in my next one.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mohammed?

Personal relations consist of an uneasy truce between powerful, solitary fantasy systems.

Janet Malcolm

by bradley on Aug 25, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not much from what I've heard

And I don’t have any super connected friends, but I’ll ask around for sure.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Patience

For those who wished we had picked this player or that one . . . the Broncos had alot of needs in the last draft. We have what, four rookies starting? Thomas will play later this year. I like Fox picking the best athletes available, and actually building this team from the ground up. Both Elway and Fox have publicly stated that there is a three year plan, so if the Broncos don’t make the playoffs this year, don’t be surprised. After this year’s draft, and pickups like McGahee in free agency, the future looks bright.

by bronco.fan on Aug 25, 2011 5:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Great stuff Max, thanks for bringing players that actually matter back to the table

I hear opposing running backs laughing again - well, giggling at least. So where's the beef?!? Ignore this problem and I'm going to hold that against you... E, F and X. P.S. I'm already and still mad at you Little Vicky!

by Rodney A on Aug 25, 2011 5:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks

And Kirk was a big part of it, since I was too busy to go to camp, it’s so helpful to hear what those who actually attended saw.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 25, 2011 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Considering that more than just a few have said that this is a quarterback driven league...

and considering that few teams have the luxury of actually having two, young, first-round quarterbacks battling for the backup spot (not to mention that one of them is the relatively popular Tim Tebow), why shouldn’t Broncos fans, who don’t think like maybe you do, focus on what interests them most about the team?

Look, I understand your point, giving equal time to the other Broncos, and it’s a truly commendable point. It really is. However, regarding “let’s focus,” I think that’s more or less the individual’s preference.

by 9798 on Aug 26, 2011 8:54 AM MDT reply actions  

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