Bronco Bytes: Flip Flopping Is Good
I was recently informed that I am a flip flopper with a connotation that I should be ashamed of it. Naturally, the comment was made in regards to the quarterback situation. With my long history of supporting Orton (2009 to mid-season 2010), to support Tebow (from mid-season 2010 to the second week of TC), then back to Orton for 2011. Some might call that flip flopping, but I call that "nobody's job is safe".
Anyway, back to the matter of flip flopping. I have been holding back for a week or two because I felt something was shifting with this football team. I wrote about it several weeks ago, which was essentially about how I had begun to feel the Denver Broncos were finally finding their identity. For the team as a whole, but more specifically the defense. Which is why I believe we are witnessing this team flip flop from an offensive oriented team to a defensive oriented team. It's still too early to tell, but I've been far more impressed with the defense thus far than I have of the offense - and their performance and statistics appear to back this up.
Now that we've had three preseason games to digest, rewatch, and evaluate, we may just have a glimpse of what this team might do in 2011. I called the tandem of Von Doom, "The Show", in my post several weeks ago - without ever seeing them play together in a game. Well, last night we saw a show alright. Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil combined for 3.5 sacks and the rest of the squad threw in another 1.5 to finish with a crowd pleasing 5 sacks on the day. The game ended up being close, but anyone who thinks the Broncos didn't dominate and abuse the Seahawks offense is smoking crack (I am looking at you Warren Moon and the other guy who called the Seahawks game last night).
Let's see what the first team offenses of our opponents this preseason have done so far against the first team defense...
Denver Broncos @ Dallas Cowboys
The first team only had one series to play and the Broncos defense came out somewhat shaky, getting burned on a few screen passes. The screen pass is going to cause this Broncos D some issues in 2011, but I think they will be able to keep those kind of plays to one or two per game. I'll take that, since the bigger issues is getting off the field on third and fourth downs, as well as keeping the other team out of the end zone.
Tony Romo and the Cowboys came out crisp and drove down the field in six plays for 56 yards. Then the Broncos defense stiffened, forcing the Cowboy's to kick a field goal. Brian Shrout ran quite an experiment last season where he saw a correlation between yards and points. Essentially, the lower the number for an offense, the better it is - while the higher the number for the defense the better it is. I'll cover just the defense here. Brian went back over the past 4-5 years and found that the average score for defenses on playoff teams was 16.5, so we'll use that as our benchmark (anything over 15.8 is good). Against the Cowboys, the Broncos first team D in limited action finished with an 18.7 DYPP (Defensive Yards Per Point).
There wasn't much I could take away from this game, so I decided to just be pleased that the first teamers had a stop and seemed much quicker than last year. In the end, the Broncos defense gave up just three points and 1/1 for getting off the field on third down.
Buffalo Bills @ Denver Broncos
I knew going into this game the Bills were one of the worst teams in football. So I was hopeful I'd get to see some of the Von Doom defense we had all been waiting to see. Both first team units were going to be in the game for a full half, so I was anxious to see how it would play out. Fortunately, the Bills got the ball first to start the game, so we got to enjoy four full drives in the first half.
The defense actually struggled a bit this time and were, once again, exposed by the screen pass. This is definitely something they must work on - along with stupid penalties. In any case, my excitement for the regular season only grew from this game.
Drive 1
13 plays, 58 yards - 3 points. The fake punt was annoying and only proves that the Bills are poorly coached. That kind of play you save for the regular season when it matters - now you've just tipped your hand in a game that doesn't matter. Good job! In any case, the Broncos defensive unit finished 2/2 on third downs and we able to shut down the opposing offense once again just outside the red zone.
Drive 2
The first three and out for the Broncos defense in 2011. Thanks in large part to an eight yard-loss of a sack by Von Miller. The Broncos finish 1/1 on third downs, maintaining a perfect record through the preseason up to this point. The Bills total yards drops to 50.
Drive 3
The third drive netted the Bills just 16 total yards, but the Broncos perfect streak on third down was soiled by a six yard run on a 3rd and 2. However, the first team defense still possessed a 5/6 success rate on third down. I'll take it! The thing I liked the most about this drive was after that third down run, the Bills thought they could just start pounding it down their throats like it was the 2010 Broncos or something. The result, 1 YPC and a third and eight incomplete pass.
Drive 4
The fourth and final drive was both amazing and frustrating. The Bills benefited by 35 yards of penalties by the Broncos on third downs, resulting in very poor play. I think the Broncos players felt they were the better team and began to get lazy, although the Rahim Moore hit was legal, it cost the Broncos a third down stop. The Bills were in field goal range when a tip drill ended with a nice return by D.J. Williams. The biggest positive from this sloppy series was how the Broncos defense regained their discipline in time to stop the team from scoring. All told, the Bills gained just 17 non-penalty yards on this drive.
For the game, the Broncos gave up just 3 points and 118 total yards for a DYPP of 39.3. The Broncos defense was beating themselves for most of those yards, but they were able to come up big when it mattered most as they should against an inferior foe like the Bills.
Seattle Seahawks @ Denver Broncos
Until last night, I thought the Buffalo Bills were the worst team in football, but boy did Seattle ever change my mind. They are absolutely terrible. The Broncos defensive starters were able to show the world exactly what their goal is for the 2011 season. Find the quarterback. Hit the quarterback. Punish the quarterback. Tarvaris Jackson didn't stand a chance, no team with a poor offensive line will stand a chance against this defensive line.
The first teamers got eight full drives in against the Seahawks. I'm running a bit long here and since this game is still fresh on our minds, I'll run through them quickly.
Drive 1
Three and out. The Broncos defense immediately begins to assert its presence.
Drive 2
8 plays 17 yards. D.J. Williams suffered an injury that will cost him 3-4 weeks on the sideline, but he hurt himself trying to make a third down stop. Another penalty ruined a third down stop on this drive, the Broncos defense quickly got off the field after the next set of downs. A 1/2 on third down is still getting off the field!
Drive 3
7 plays, 20 yards - 3 points. The Broncos were hurting on field possession, with the Seahawks getting the ball near mid field for the second time in a row. The Broncos defense caved on a chance to stop the Seahawks short of field goal range on a third and 1, but failed to get it done. However, that would be the last positive experience for the Seahawks for the rest of the game against the first team Broncos D - they'd be Shown the Orange Rush for the rest of the evening.
Drive 4
A six yard loss on a sack to begin the drive, ended up being 3 plays for 2 yards and a punt. The Show begins.
Drive 5
A run, a sack and a pass. 3 plays, minus 5 yards. Von Miller takes down Jackson on second down and the Seahawks must punt again. The Show continues...
Drive 6
A pass, a pass, a sack. 3 plays, minus 1 yard. Elvis Dumervil takes his turn bringing Tarvaris Jackson to his knees, vomiting with fear(I exaggerated that last part, sorta). The Show enters intermission.
Drive 7
A run, a penalty, a pass, a pass, a punt. 3 plays, 6 yards. No sacks this time, just slapping Jackson around and harassing him into making poor decisions and poor throws. The Orange Rush is now all Jackson sees and feels - once you enter a quarterbacks mind and desecrate on his confidence, you will win. The Show demands an encore...
Drive 8
A run, a sack, a pass, a punt. Von Miller once again brings Jackson down and the Seahawks end their night against the Broncos defense with a paltry 3 plays for 2 yards. After the Broncos gave up an unforgivable field goal against this team, the Seahawks had 15 plays on offense for a grand total of 4 yards. FOUR YARDS. Now that is one hell of a show and I enjoyed every second of it.
All told, the Seahawks only had to travel 13.7 yards per point. The only problem was, they had to run 33 plays to gain a total of 41 yards. What?!?! What a Defense!
Overall this preseason, the Broncos first team defense is 13/18 on third downs. Along with a DYPP of 23.9, which is well above the mark for Top 5 defenses from a historical standpoint. We have yet to see this team play in the red zone, but so far it is playing well enough everywhere else for all of us to get excited about.
Offensively, this team is fine. I would gauge it to be more middle of the pack, so having a stout defense will certainly help them overcome some of the limitations at quarterback and running back our 2011 Broncos currently have. I'm starting to feel 8-8 to 10-6 might just be in the cards for this team in transition.
GO BRONCOS!
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I’ve always felt that “flip-flopping” as a pejorative term is disdainful. To some, it means blowing which ever way doth the wind. To me, it shows that someone is secure enough to challenge their own worldview. With the crazy couple of years we’ve had at the up-and-down QB position, it’s the entrenched positions I’m wary of.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2011 3:43 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
"Foolish inconsistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by bradley on Aug 28, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oops "Foolish consistency..."
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lol are you changing your mind on that already?
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Absolutely not
I meant both of the above. Although I’m wondering if it wasn’t Henry David Thoreau instead of Emerson.
Nah, I’m sure it was Emerson.
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Are you Flip-flopping Bradley?
=)
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and I hear you on the defense
What fun those guys are, Von Doom. That play last night when they met in the backfield for a sack and ended up on their backs, laughing and smacking each other’s helmets. That is the fun on D we’ve sorely been missing.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
That is exactly how I see flip flopping as well.
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Yes, but I wont change my mind on my opinions once I have thought them out.....I take time to make them.....
Alwyas good to see another view for sure…but going from one extreme to the other is flip flopping…changing a position I am good with in the face of proven facts
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Good on you Tim
I would say that as circumstances change, as they constantly do in the realm of the Denver Broncos, it should be the norm to have a ‘flip-flop’ in your opinion. In this situation, if your opinion hasn’t flip-flopped to some degree, you don’t have a pulse, IMO. Things are just not the same now as when I thought Tebow was the answer for this season. With the changes that have brought us to our current position, I now think Orton is the answer—- until he’s not. And I’ll ‘flip flop’ when that time comes.
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I don't think there isn't a team we can't beat this year
It’ll all have to come down to consistency. Our offense has been pretty good for quite a while – no reason to expect that to slow down. We should be improved on 3rd downs and in the red zone offensively thanks to having TE’s and McGahee.
Defensively… well, given how bad the Seattle Oline is it’s hard to tell – but I think it looks good too. They should be a top half unit at least – and could be top 5 or whatever if they can play consistently. So, this year could easily end with us in the playoffs – or under .500. Totally depends on whether the team plays consistent football – and on how many injuries we rack up. I’m none too happy about our injury total for the preseason so far.
For the offense, I'd be happy with a 3 pt per game improvement over last year.
As for the defense….so far so good. The interesting thing will be to see how well they hold up for 16 games.
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We can have both.
Maybe not this season but sometime soon. And I will be the first to admit that I have flopped like a fish out of water myself. I supported McD, until I just couldn’t anymore. I supported Orton, until I thought the team had given up on him. And now that he is back in good graces, I support KO again. And I’d still like to think Tebow is the future. I guess when it hit’s 110 degrees outside, any flavor of kool aid tastes good.
It's possible to be a Kyle Orton fan and a Tim Tebow fan at the same time. It's called being a Broncos fan.
by azdenfan on Aug 28, 2011 5:14 PM MDT reply actions 5 recs
I love your signature.
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Look, Warren Moon, smoking crack is not cool.
Low-cut blouses are looked down upon in this establishment.
Seattle has a good defensive front
Watching the o-line hold them off for 5-7 seconds at times was heartening.
I thought they were missing starters though???
I think Seattle is a 4-12 team this year, maybe 6-10 because they’re in such a weak division… but that wasn’t really any better a test for us then the Bills game was. IMO
by OverDilusions on Aug 28, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions
sigh of relief.
it’s nice to actually have intelligent adults return to the broncos and notice that the defense sucked worse than celine dion’s last three singles (that’s just random though— i’m assuming they sucked because i never even heard them in the mall parking lot elevator). i also think that fox is giving mccoy the offensive reins more than a lot of folks assume. it’s gonna be a creative offense and a blue collar defense! OMGosh… cut me off the kool-aid please.
by oxmouth on Aug 28, 2011 6:18 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Fun question?
When was the last time the Denver Broncos held an opponent to under 40 yards of total offense in the first half?
I couldn't find a breakdown by half
But the record for fewest yards allowed in a game is 60 (vs Cle 10/24/71). :)
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by Brian Shrout on Aug 28, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like Champ had a good time "WATCHING"...
“No, never,” said Champ Bailey before leaving the locker room. “Never had anything like that before.”
Wait a minute, Champ. Let’s get the question out first. We are talking about the pass rush of Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller?
“What else could we be talking about after what you
just saw,” Bailey said. “I hate to get ahead of ourselves because it is just the preseason. But goodness, that was impressive.”
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by bfree2bronc on Aug 28, 2011 6:43 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Get it? Bronco? Flip Flops? ha ha ha

oh, no one else thinks it’s funny.
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by Zac Man on Aug 28, 2011 7:06 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
That is funny!
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I'm not laughing
Because I want them. My wife works at Zappos — I’ll have her look…
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Flip flopping to me
is only a morally reprehensible if you tell one person something, and then within a narrow period of time, tell another the opposite….unless you are asked by two girls which one of them is prettier.
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large mouth bass have big lips.
It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy
Fox has club thumbs
Automatic loser in that battle due to that. Just disgusting.
by KansasBronco on Aug 28, 2011 9:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I love the flip flop
when DOOM and Von change position or even sides. On at least one play DOOM was in a two point stance. As long as those boys are flip floping they will remain difficult to game plan for.
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Agreed, see comment below
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by azbroncomaniac on Aug 28, 2011 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions
When the facts change so do my opinions. What do you do sir?
-John Maynard Keynes
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
by BroncoPH on Aug 28, 2011 7:53 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
examples
House mortgage, car loan, student loans.
Years later I’m middle-aged and the other loans are paid off but I’m still paying my house mortgage and will be for about 20 years. Because I did not have money saved up to purchase any of these, I would have none of the good things associated with them, including my job, without the loans. Of course, these are non-issues to anyone with money saved up, however I’d imagine people of better means who actually have lots of saved money (i.e. rich people) had some responsibility for making my loans possible, and that it was good, profitable business for them (too).
by cosBroncosFan on Aug 29, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
i’ve got some of those too, because i’m not rich like a large government. the loans work pretty well as long as i’m paying off some principal and lay off on printing my own money. that said, i don’t think a balanced budget law makes sense for the feds. geez, enough of that though—you guys can take last word on our little econ discussion and then we’ll move back to bigger things, like what tebow had for lunch or why von miller’s glasses are cool.
I was just about to add this Keynes quote
by cosBroncosFan on Aug 29, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I couldn't respond to the quote...
I dislike Keynesian philosophy. :)
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This
is what I love about Allen’s philosophy. He was moving all of them all over the place. A couple times we got caught moving when they snapped the ball, but I’m sure we confused them a lot. We have the studs and the speed to do this. I’m lovin it!
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
Ooops, was replying to first fan's comment up there
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Aug 28, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions
defense
just watched the game thanks to the dvr and nfl network. still don’t understand the decision at qb. tebow keeps me in the game, orton puts me to sleep. although the running game is slightly improved, still needs lots of work. defense looks vastly improved, nice to see some pressure in the offense’s backfield from our defense. hope we will be able to overcome the injuries. cassius vaughn looks like he is playing at a high level. nice to see sydquan returning punts, dude is quick.
Orton's 2 TDs and several long sustained drives put you to sleep?
I’ll take that over flash and erratic play even if some of it ends up exciting (and I like and am rooting for Tebow to make it in the NFL, don’t get me wrong). But you can’t watch that whole game and tell me Tebow is readier to lead this team right now than Orton. Sorry. We watched a different game I guess.
And again, yes TT can do some very exciting things, he’s certainly far more mobile than Orton. But IF the Broncos can give Orton max protection he’ll be very accurate. I’ll take some sleepy wins this season.
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by underdog on Aug 28, 2011 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
'But IF the Broncos can give Orton max protection he'll be very accurate...'
My sentiments exactly… IF… Only IF Orton gets MAX protection, THEN he can do this…
Now, imagine what happens IF Tim Tebow gets ‘max protection…’ He’s played well and had ZERO protection.
You guys keep saying Tebow isn’t ready based on his appearance with the 2nd string Offensive line, and then you justify your stance by comparing it to Kyle Orton’s time with the 1st string offensive line and 1st string WRs…
That’s just asinine!
If you truly want to justify your opinion then you need to wait and see how Kyle does when he’s running for his life 50% of the pass plays…
by OverDilusions on Aug 28, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions
2011 is Orton's year to make or break his career.
He has earned the right. We’ll find out about Tebow in 2012. :)
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by Tim Lynch on Aug 28, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've said here (and on IAOFM) before, though I'm sure you missed it, that very same thing
that Tebow has had to play behind an inferior line and hasn’t had as much protection. That’s totally true.
Where we diverge is in observing how he handles decisions at times even when pressure wasn’t that great. I saw him do some fantastic things that make me excited about his potential but then he does things like not look off receivers, not throw the ball away when he does have pressure, still looks to run first (again, when there’s pressure coming that’s one thing, but I saw him do this a few times even when he had more time, he still tucks and runs too quickly.) He wobbled a few passes that should’ve come easier, too. But then he made some terrific throws that shows he does indeed have an arm. All of that, plus ALL the reports I have gotten from training camp, tells me that he is a damned talented exciting player who deserves time to develop, but the idea that he will lead us to the promised land right NOW has very little basis in reality for me.
And in case you didn’t hear it the four other times I wrote it ;-) I am rooting for Tebow, I do think he can be a good player, and soon. But I find the “Orton is boring” comments not the kind of astute analysis this debate needs for me to not find it, well… boring.
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by underdog on Aug 28, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
Someone make that green...I was 4
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
decent effort to persuade me
but my friends in chicago are still laughing at how they hoodwinked us with orton as the prize for cutler. we couldn’t even trade him this year to the qb desperate dolphins. i was noticing during those first 2 series how the fans were already getting on orton. i guess well know early in the season whether the offense can get it done, i sure like our defenses to this point. special teams seem to be getting better.
Orton was a throw-in on that deal
We got draft choices for Cutler, remember? Sheesh.
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by Schwerepunkt on Aug 29, 2011 6:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Winning puts you to sleep? Touchdowns put you to sleep?
Tebow may well be a fine QB one day, and we all hope that he will be. But thus far in the pre season he has gotten to the end zone via the run or pass exactly zero times. Right now, Orton is hands down the best quarterback on this team.
Don’t get me wrong. I have no illusions that Orton is anything more that a slightly better than average starting NFL quarterback, but he is simply the best option the Broncos have.
In any case, Fox’s job as head coach is to get wins, not keep fans of any particular player happy. Therefor, he’ll start Orton.
Well said.
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People that get bored watching the Broncos
Should go watch a movie – one of those sci-fi things with flying demons and all kind of visual efects.
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Nope...Fox's job is to build not only a winner, but a LONG TERM winner...starting Orton does not help that....does not hurt, but have no illusions, it does not help either....GO BRONCOS!
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and he owes it to the team whether or not KO can get the job done, or fall flat on his face when it's 3rd and eight....
until does the latter, he’s the man
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No effing 59-14 bullshit this time Kyle...or else.
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GO BRONCOS!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
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I like the saying, 'my mind changes when the facts change...'
As of yet, our ‘regular season game facts’ have NOT changed. But – the preseason has given me hope for our defense, o-line and running game.
There is nothing I’ve seen from Kyle Orton that looks any different than in years past – truth is, the guy does very well when he has zero pressure, plenty of time and the game isn’t on the line. The truth about him still holds from what I’ve seen in preseason; he’s looked bad when there is consistent pressure (though he’s really only had 1 or 2 series with consistent pressure – a tribute to our O-Line and shout-out to the poor teams we’ve played). He looks great when given time (7 seconds courtesy of the O-Line against the Seahawks!!! Holy Cow!!!)…
And we haven’t seen Orton in a pressure – must win 4th quarter situation.
Still lots of questions, and I am not convinced Orton is any better or different than he was last year before he rode the pine.
Here’s to what appears to be a much improved defense though!
Anyone watching the Raiders game?
Talk about offense vs defense, their run defense still looks suspect, their pass defense now looks a bit worse. They have a few more wideouts who can be good weapons compared to last year, even without Miller, but their OL looks problematic. I hope the Broncos bring those blitz packages up the wazoo in that first game.
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I'm guilty
I wanted Dareus because we wouldn’t send Von after the QB enough….wrong. Wanted Jarvis Moss bad because he would bring heat like Kearse…..
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
by chikndnnr on Aug 28, 2011 8:52 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm rec'ing you because you're honest and accountable
Love it — way too many people just love touting the times they are right.
" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.
When you're right though, you gotta point it out.
After all, on average I am sure we’re all wrong 9 times out of 10…might as well pimp that one time you got it right! lol
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Nothing wrong with that, Tim
As long as it’s balanced on the other side with humility. Otherwise the loudmouths who simply foam at the mouth the most will look “correct” the most by sheer volume.
" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.
Well to be fair to yourself, picking Dareus likely wouldn't have been too "wrong" either ;-)
I think he’s going to be a great player and the Broncos certainly do need help up the middle.
But Miller is showing why he very well may have been the best player in this draft, period. His potential has me practically salivating.
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"Warren Moon and the Other Guy"
TL, didn’t you notice, but this broadcast was produced through a Seattle TV affiliate. These broadcast guys are paid to be “homies”. Any responsible sports caster would have qualified all the kudos for the Ocean Birdies later in the game by saying that Seattle’s First team guys were doing great against a mixture of 2nd and 3rd team Bronco defenders. Wow!
Yeah I know, but I still want to make fun of them. ;)
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I didn't think Moon was that bad...
but both those guys made so many mistakes (kept calling Julius Thomas, Demariyus, lol) and were definitely homers — but they gave plenty of praise to Bronco play throughout the game, especially the pass rush, Miller in particular. As they should!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Great breakdown, very rec'd
I voted for offense because I think we already posses a defense with the ability to rank in the top five.
If we ever add a quality starter at DT (soon), then I think I’d finally get off the fence and predict more than eight wins. I think that DT spot is going to be exploited against the Jets and Vikings and twice against both the Chiefs and Raiders if we don’t do something about it. We can have a top-ten defense and still get worked by those teams if we don’t add beef to the middle.
We need a techie to change the words in that Black Eyed Peas song 'Boom Boom Pow' to make it like our battle cry
Gotta get that Von Doom Boom. Gotta get that Von Doom Pow
Ya'll gettin' hit with the Von Doom
Kepp gettin' hit with the Von Doom
(Sounds a lot better with a beat instead of a keypad :)
Big change from two years ago
During that 6-0 start in McD first year our defense kept us in games, and we were able to win after the offense finally got it together. The problem was we were a bend but dont break defense that looked to control field position. But after being on the field too much we eventually just broke down.
I don’t see that happening with this defense because the attitude is different. We wont just sit back and react to opposing offenses, we are going to put pressure on top of pressure on top of pressure. Our defense will win us games this year and all the offense has to do is be average…yeah we were up 17-3 with starters in but it took our offense a lot of time to get it going. I can’t wait for Monday night cause our boys in Orange and Blue are going to make the Raiders Black and Blue, guaranteed!
by Bronco Mike on Aug 28, 2011 11:02 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
voted offense
but only because history has shown offenses tend to be more consistent than DEF.
If you get a top-5 offense, it will likely be good for a long time. A top-5 DEF can be a fleeting thing. Therefore if you want lots of wins consistently over time, getting a top offense may be the better bet.
My guess is this is because “an offense is as good as its best players, while a DEF is as bad as its worst.” It is easier to get a core of elite guys and keep them, than maintain the full depth necessary to keep 11 quality starters year-in-year-out.
Love the “Orange Rush” DEF though, and the seemingly quick turn around just shows how quickly a DEF can change. DT depth will remain an issue, but it seems like Bunkley and Thomas should be back for week 1, and the 2 of them plus Big Vick, rotating with Ayers/Jarmon on passing downs is probably enough to effective.
great write up
Just had to say before I read the comment. Just got my CB jersey after he resigned. Now I need to get myself matching Von doom jerseys.
by champmamba on Aug 28, 2011 11:49 PM MDT via iPhone app reply actions
Im saying Defense with a good run game.
Ala Ravens/Steelers. A great offense will get you wins, but not always rings. Teams with great defenses win and win in January and February.
flip flop
I regret to inform you that on the west coast a person that flip flops is…… oh never mind
I voted like the majority. We've all seen first-hand what having a top-notch offense with a bottom-rung defense will get us.
However, I see nothing wrong with you having initially supported Orton, then supporting Tebow when Orton couldn’t quite get it done last season, and finally going back to Orton when Tebow demonstrated that he wasn’t quite ready.
Pretty much with you on this.
I’ve intentionally withheld my opinion on QB until after the preseason games. I’ve done pretty well in ignoring the whole thing, but after the “most important” preseason game, I’m with you on KO.This is his last chance to prove himself as a franchise quality QB. He’s earned the right to start (but not necessarily finish) the season as the QB1. IMO he shouldn’t have to have produce any barnburners this year because the D should compliment the O nicely. As for the D……
I projected early in camp that we would be at least 8-8 no matter who started at QB. The drafting of Von, the camp reports, and the return of Doom had me convinced early that we had a MUCH better D than last year. This unit could be in the top 10 barring serious injuries.
I voted D, just because I want the O to have a lot of chances to score this year….a stifling D can provide those opportunities!!
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Talk about flipping
Did you hear the announcers during the Saints-Raiders game saying that they thought Denver would surprise a few teams this year?
If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.
by OrangeandBluesBros on Aug 29, 2011 7:01 AM MDT reply actions
Apprehensive about the defense (and the running game)
First, I did not see any reason not to buy the hype during the preseason a year ago. There were big dreams for: building on the previous year, a functioning 3-4 defense, Patriots West passing game, Wild Horses, etc, etc. Sure, that will work. Why not?
Second, during the years I watched Carolina (I lived in the area and watched a bunch of playoff runs, SB appearance, Delhomme/Smith/Peppers) while being far away from Broncos country (thank you 850koa internet stream) I noticed that the Panthers D rarely seemed to wear down during a game. This shocked me, to be honest. Broncos defenses always seemed to have smallish lines and bend-but-not-break or ‘opportunistic’ aspects to them, but from game to game would regularly have flat performances or wear down during the course of an individual game. One game the offense would score a bunch of points to put the game out of reach, and the next game – or against the very good teams – it would be hard for the defense to be ‘stout’ for four quarters. By contrast my perception was that Carolina seemed to endlessly stream relatively fresh, no-name players in for their defense, no matter how ineffective the offense might be that day, always keeping the Panthers hanging around in ballgames.
So, if you can follow all that… I want to see if it carries over to Fox’s team in Denver. If so, I think the sky’s the limit. If not, i.e. if the run defense in particular can’t hold up over four quarters, or experiences increased difficulties as the season progresses, or the Broncos lose interest in running the ball themselves, then it’s a five win team.
Small d line
small d line only works if the guys are real fast, and real strong, and I think those guys aren’t that easy to come by

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