Denver Broncos Training Camp 2011 - The Gang's All Here!
Now that the Tebow stuff is off my chest, let's get to the meat and potatoes of tonight's Training Camp. It was a sloppy workout, sloppy because of the weather when the practice started and sloppy because of all the new faces that got on the field for the first time thanks to the ratification of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement by the players. That meant Ty Warren, Willis McGahee and other new Broncos could finally work with their new teammates.
Let me just say this about the quarterbacks as a group - the gap between #1 and #2 is a lot greater than the gaps between #2, #3 and #4. Now, maybe that changes once games are played - preseason and regular season - but that is what it is right now. Brady Quinn seemed to get quite a few reps with the #2 offense as well, something to keep an eye on moving forward.
After the practice, coach John Fox kept with the same line he's had since being hired.
"In there [the locker room], I think everyone understands where it is and understands that is why you go to camp, that's why you play preseason games and that's why you pick a 53-man roster. You earn it in the evaluation process. So nothing has changed from seven months ago. We've been really looking at this team before I even took this job, but I had a pretty good idea of where it was and how we would start and we have maintained that all the way along, so really what happens on the outside I don't concern myself much with-just those guys in the locker room."
Now, on to some other areas. I wanted to see the new look defensive line go up against the offensive line - a group that I think is going to be pretty damn good if they can stay healthy.
As expected, it was the O-Line that had the early advantage. Ryan Clady, Zane Beadles, J.D Walton, Chris Kuper and Orlando Franklin opened large holes for Knowshon Moreno, Willis McGahee and Lance Ball. Even Mario Fannin got into the act. (Damn he's fast!)
Speaking of McGahee, he touched the ball four times that I counted. Part of the plan, according to Fox, who said he wanted to work the new guys in slowly.
"We are easing into it. I think the thought-even in the new CBA of starting off camp with not being in pads the first two days- we didn't do that per say, but we did lighten up the reps just to get them in some kind of hitting shape and we will monitor that as we move forward."
McGahee agreed with the amount of work, especially since it is the first time on a practice field in a long time. He did say, however, he was a bit anxious coming in.
"When I was taking off my earrings, I was in the locker room shaking and I was like, ‘Why am I shaking?' I was anxious to get out here and get the feel for things and get a feel for the guys."
When McGahee did touch the ball he was impressive to watch, and man, is he BIG! He's got thighs the size of oak trees and it's pretty impressive to see just how much bigger he is than Knowshon.
Of course, Moreno did lose some weight during the offseason and he is SHREDDED. How that translates to game speed intrigues me. Moreno is a physical back - he has to be because he runs so upright - so slimming down while bulking up is an interesting experiment.
My favorite part of the day was goal-line. The offense and defense squared up for 6 plays from the one yard line, and this time it was the defense that got the upper hand.
Kyle Orton was in for the first three plays. The only touchdown scored was on the first play, a pretty play-action pass to TE Dan Gronkowski.
Next came two runs by Lance Ball that got stuffed on nice plays - first by Wesley Woodyard and next by a host of Broncos defenders.
In came Tebow, who handed the ball to Mario Fannin. It looked like Fannin was going to score to the left side until David Veikune and Nate Irving slammed him to the ground. The play was met with a rousing cheer from the Broncos defense.
Next came Brady Quinn, who threw the second pass of the session. While he did complete a pass to Julius Thomas, the whistle had blown indicating the coaching staff felt he was sacked.
the sixth and last play of the session went to Adam Weber. He, too, could not get the ball across the goalline. In the end, six tries from the 1 yard line. One success. A win for the defense.
All in all it was GREAT to see football again, no matter who it was and how they played. Everyone is rusty, and I have a feeling that similar thoughts can be said about 31 other teams in the NFL as well.
Kirk will have his awesome TC report later as well, so be on the lookout for that. Until tomorrow, GO BRONCOS!
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I want to see #23 doing the "Mississippi Mud Walk" one more time
That would be epic. Do it, Willis!
This is BRONCO COUNTRY!
I love Sammy Winder impersonations!
nothing beats the genuine article though
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Aug 4, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Aug 4, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved Sammy Winder
He was one of our greats to be sure.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
LOVE him
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 4, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Kyle Orton was in for the first three plays. The only touchdown scored was on the first play…
I didn’t even have to see it to know what this looks like, just watch last years game tape. Good God, please don’t let that little innocent statement be a harbinger of things to come.
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+1
Only a real miracle can change his stats in the redzone.. So you are praying to the right guy, Tim: God himself =(
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by Fabio Broncos on Aug 4, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton actually wasn't that bad in the RZ
It’s a misconception he was bad, but he was just average.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Aug 4, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
average in this league
is not as impressive when other starting QB’s include: Alex Smith, Chad Henne, Tavaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, Max Hall, etc. While I’ll agree its not as anemic as people make it out to be its hard to say average is acceptable, there are some BAD QB’s who affect the average
If you reply to a comment/post/fanshot of mine, I will more likely then not respond to it, unless you come off like a d-bag.
THUS the term
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 5, 2011 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually Orton was better than great QB's in the RZ
And just a note, RZ effectiveness have proven to be a terrible indicator of a QB’s talent or skill. 2009’s best RZ QB, Sage Rosenthals. In 2010, of the top 5 teams only 2 made the playoffs, of the bottom 5, 3 made the playoffs, there were more teams with winning records in the lower half of the league, and more teams that made the playoffs were in the lower half of the league. Some of the most explosive, and effective, offenses in the league were in the lower half. Also just to really drive this point home, Orton and the BRoncos was better in the RZ than guys like Vick’s Eagles, Roethlisberger’s Steelers, and Brees’s Saints. RZ success rates have been proven useless time and again, they have zero proven relation to wins. But even if you continue to think they are important, you should note we weren’t as bad as people remember.
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by Topher Doll on Aug 5, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanx max!
End of the day…run the ball..pass the ball..play good defense and special teams..coaches..stay out of the way…equals good team. I know KO is very solid in the red zone. i know this, because I’ve watched him longer than you all. Let’s improve our running game and put a threat a TE on the field..then KO will improve over 2010. Improve on defense and special teams as well = we make the playoffs. Go Broncos!
21st... your a stat guy... do the math.
HE IS AVERAGE… not better.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Sounds to me that Orton was 1 for 1 in red zone passes
OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!
by Rodney A on Aug 4, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We will see a lot more of that
if the defense is forced to respect the running game . . .
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
33% > 0%
How can you pick out the one made TD as the negative as apart from no one else even making one! Gimme the guy who made one.
by GreasyQtip on Aug 4, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, KO was 100% in passing for a TD in the drills
But some people (Tim!) have become addicted to whining whenever possible about Orton.
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I think the combination of Decker/ J. Thomas/ McGahee are going to improve the redzone numbers by a lot
by tiderfootball09 on Aug 4, 2011 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
100% agree with red zone
Yes we had red zone issues (last year) we also had no running game we had offensive line injuries and players switching positions. We had a new offense. Not all the red zone problems are Kyle Ortons. With new focus on running and line work we will improve. Let’s just move on with blaming Orton for the main reason of poor red zone play. It was the team as a whole that played poorly. Orton threw for 3600, 20 tds 9 it’s while sitting 3 games and a team with no defense and a team in total change with McDANIELS putting in a new offense and again no defense. Let’s go into the season with the best players and start getting a winning culture. We can’t go into this season teaching a rookie QB. this team needs wins early to get the culture changed. Teams now will game plan for Tebow which they didn’t do last year. Bottom line Orton is beating Tebow out in camp as of now. So that really should end the arguing who should start. You start the QB who is having the better camp. Unless something changes Orton is having better camp in a much shorten training off season which hurt Tebow. Not to say Tebow won’t one day be a good. QB just not ready right now.
by MiamiMike on Aug 5, 2011 6:14 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't get it...
Who said teams weren’t game planning for Tebow last year? Did the Texans and Chargers decide not to coach those weeks? I can understand the Raiders, but not the other two. This is the NFL with professional coaches. THEY GAME PLANNED FOR TEBOW. They saw the 40 yard TD run. You think they dismissed it and decided they didn’t have to game plan against it? Come on man.
Thanks for the report
I am really excited to see this O-line in action next Thursday night. I am really pulling for Knowshon and Ayers to show something during the preseason and eventually the season. How did Ayers look?
Some people are cup as half-empty, others as half-full.
I say “I’ll drink the whole thing straight out of the bottle.”
Thanks for the update. The reports of how everyone is doing are great, but can also feed into the fear of what is going to happen this year.
I think most of us would be really happy with a realistic 8-8 season, so ultimately, we’re all looking for improvement.
The evidence is there that the offense has been AWFUL since Shanahan was fired. Nolan’s work in 09 kept the team afloat and hid the obvious personnel problems we have had.
We’re moving in the right direction, but people need to be patient and allow these guys to work these things out. As much as some of us are attacking the FO, attacking KO, or anyone else, its amazing some have not experienced health problems. Within an organization, it takes years for someone really good to turn it around, yet it can take minutes for some dipsh!t to tear it all down. McDaniels tore this thing apart and its going to take more than glue and paper to fix it. It was hurt at its core, and it needs time to heal.
I am not trying to be touchy-feely, but I think even some of the cuts are going to be really big. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a number of McD hires to be gone, including some 2nd-4th round picks.
The Cowboys provide us with a PERFECT first game. They are a 6-10 with many issues around the team. I am watching the defense for this one. I believe the offense is going to struggle for months.
Again, thanks John. This might have well have been from last year, or the year before. Deja vu.
GO BRONCOS!!!!!
I'll drink to that, but Dallas is only our first presaeason game!
Let’s focus on the Raiders! Remember…85 Bears were 1-3 in preseason! Preseason is for tuning up the squad and evaluating our talent.
If I never want to hear Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow and Brady Quinn AGAIN
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I like reading about Quinn's improvement.
Believe me, we will need three quarterbacks this year.
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Thanks for the report.
Everyone is rusty, and I have a feeling that similar thoughts can be said about 31 other teams in the NFL as well.
Intersting to hear this and the lockout is definately going to affect the season in some way. Also, isn’t there no more two a days in camp, so now the rookies and the non starters will get less reps in practice? If so, then we will just have to wait for the games to get any real idea of where Tebow is along with many others.
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I'll make my last Orton v. Tebow comment and be done with it
All I know is…if the best receiver on the team, who had 1,400 yds receiving last year, wants Orton as the starter, I wouldn’t wanna piss him off. It should prove a point to everyone that if Lloyd makes a comment to the media that it’s tougher catching balls from Tebow, and he wants Orton as the starter, how do we know that other players don’t feel the same way? Everyone seems to think that the players would respond better to Tebow, but we don’t know that. They may be more comfortable with Orton as the starter. Everyone wants to throw Tebow in as starter, whether he’s earned it or not, and it could send the wrong message to other players. It would prove that although Tebow doesn’t necessarily have to EARN his spot, every other player does. There would probably be some locker room tension; especially if they start losing with Tebow. Just take that into account when you’re blasting Orton, or EFX for that matter, just because you want Tebow to start. There are 52 other players on the field that you have to take into account.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Aug 4, 2011 10:35 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Lloyd didn't say tougher, he said different
But I get your point nonetheless
OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!
Yeah…and I’m just now realizing i posted this on the wrong thread lol. my bad.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Aug 4, 2011 11:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Lloyd could be saying that for selfish reasons
If Tebow’s the qb, he’ll get less catches, less yards, less touchdowns meaning his stats won’t be as good. That doesn’t mean we won’t win games. It’s just that Tebow will get mOre first downs with his legs.
by go4broncos on Aug 5, 2011 12:04 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Bottom line...
Is the players want to win…And they want to be on the field with the T’mates that give them the best opportunity to do so!
by BroncoSense72 on Aug 5, 2011 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Gronkowski.... Thought he might be done.
I bet he’s getting his do or die chances right now!
Good luck kid!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
If he's half as good as his brother in NE
then he has a fighting chance . . .
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Good stuff John!
Hard to imagine that the first preseason game is already next week! I know it’s only preseason but it’s football none the less.
by tiderfootball09 on Aug 4, 2011 10:48 PM MDT reply actions
Don't know why but I really want Gronk to stick.
I think he has a lot of potential, and defintatley the right pedigree.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Aug 4, 2011 11:28 PM MDT reply actions
I like saying Gronk
Gronk gronk gronk
Like the dinosaurs in the old BC comix…
I also liked saying LicksTenTigers, so clearly I have a problem with these things….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 4, 2011 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah sanity reins here for now and we can talk Broncos Football!!
McGahee
Shaking with excitement!
Sounds like he wants to be here. I’ve always liked the guy.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
and a CB?
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 5, 2011 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions
and a QB
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Me too.
I am really happy we have McGahee. IMHO he upgrades our 3rd % by himself.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Moreno did lose some weight during the offseason and he is SHREDDED.
That’s what crossfit will do to you. If I had a bit more get up and go and didn’t have some lower back pain of undetermined origin then I’d be doing it too.
Crossfit is no joke!
In the past 6 months i have been doing crossfit and i have lost 40 lbs and shredded up. The best thing about it is my cardio endurance is through the roof now. If that is what he was doing in the offseason he should be beast this season!
The DP got him saying that he’s been doing crossfit all summer
I’ve seen the trainng and read the write ups and wish I could do it but to be honest – and this is coming from a regular cyclist, runner and 4-times-a-week gym go-er – it scares me.
Don't get me wrong...
there first crossfit workout I ever did was called the Filthy Fifty and it literally left me in tears at the end. I almost quit doing it after that but i stuck to it and it gets easier the more often you do it. I applaud him for sticking to it and being that dedicated to improve himself. From what I have seen he is showing that he is committed to the team and wants to win!
Thanks for posting John
its been a while since you’ve done an opinion piece, but can’t blame ya with the lockout. Keep’em coming!
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Great read John
I like your focus on the lines. More depth to the great updates here at MHR :)
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I'm with Sean
I like the information on the trenches. Also, I felt the way you stated your observation and then supported it with quotes from Fox made for interesting and informative reading. I must admit though, I am getting really tired of the same two or three posters on this site who will focus on nothing but Tebow. They repeat the same arguement over and over and over.
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