2011 Denver Broncos Preview: Quarterback
The Denver Broncos certainly have a conundrum on their hands at quarterback that will only get bigger as the preseason wears on, especially if Tim Tebow shows something during live game action, lending credence to his "gamer" mystique. It is obvious that Kyle Orton took this offseason seriously and showed up in top form in training camp. The question is - the million dollar question - how will fans react if Orton starts coming up short in games like he did in 2010?
Tebow would certainly benefit having another year behind Orton to study and learn, but at some point he will need his fair shake and most would agree that eventually Tebow will catch up to and surpass Orton in ability on the field. The worst thing that could happen was recently expressed by Broncos Hall of Famer, Shannon Sharpe in The Denver Post:
"The situation needs to be resolved one way or the other," Sharpe said. "You can't have it where Kyle Orton plays a bad game and you hear the fans booing and they're chanting Tebow. At the same time, you can't have fans chanting Tebow! Tebow! Tebow! if Kyle Orton gives you a better chance to win.
"So hopefully — I say, 'hopefully' — this thing will work itself out and by the time the season starts a month from now they will have a clear cut idea who's going to be the quarterback."
And he is correct. When the season starts there needs to be zero debate about who is the Broncos starting quarterback for 2011 and that is a decision that must not only come from John Fox, but from John Elway as well. Leaving no question where this organization is headed in 2011 and beyond.
Kyle Orton is the named starter and has shown he can practice with the best of them. He is a 7th year veteran and is at the peak of his career, so it would be a concern if he was struggling to beat out a raw 2nd year guy - even one as ripped as Tebow.
The Broncos should sport a much improved rushing attack and defense, so this is the year for Orton to play for that long term deal he so covets. One he wants so badly that he would turn down the two year deal Miami reportedly offered him. Either way, the Broncos could possibly compete in the weak AFC West with him at the helm, so long as the poor third down and red zone play doesn't continue to plague him. You can look at those situational stats from the official Denver Broncos website.
Here is a quick look at Orton's last five games via http://www.denverbroncos.com:
Tim Tebow is a phenomenal athlete that is under the most scrutiny of any quarterback in the NFL since John Elway was drafted - or maybe just in Denver. I didn't live in Denver for either quarterback and I can't think of any two guys who got more national press time than Tebow and Elway early in their careers. In any case, Tebow was drafted as a developmental quarterback and few believed he would be ready until at least 2012. Well, he proved us wrong late last season leading the team to a strong, competitive finish.
However, we have several new sheriffs in town who are not convinced he is ready and now Broncos country is faced with yet another quarterback controversy. Tebow is well known for practicing poorly, but he certainly brings that X Factor in games. The question is, will the always-crisp-in-practice Kyle Orton beat out the give-it-to-me-raw Tim Tebow? I know this much, no Bronco fan should miss any of the four preseason games this year as it is going to be very interesting...
Here is a quick look at Tebow's last five games via http://www.denverbroncos.com:
Brady Quinn is getting a lot of play as the Denver Broncos #2 quarterback, but there is doubt it will translate in actual game play. He will get his chance, provided EFX isn't blowing smoke up out collective rear ends. The metal will meet the meat so to speak on Thursday and we'll see if Quinn can be effective consistently against the purely vanilla defenses he'll be faced with.
As a former first round pick, he certain has athletic ability. The big question is whether he will ever be anything more than a solid backup quarterback.
Here are some of Quinn's career highlights via http://www.denverbroncos.com:
- A fourth-year quarterback who enters his first season with the Broncos having seen time in 14 games (12 starts) during his first three professional seasons with Cleveland.
- Registered a career-high nine starts for the Browns in 2009, setting personal bests in passing yards (1,339), completions (136) and touchdowns (8) while registering 150 consecutive pass attempts without an interception in the second half of the year.
- Posted single-game career highs in passing yards (304) and touchdown passes (4) at Detroit (11/22/09) before completing a personal-best 25 passes vs. San Diego (12/6/09).
- Started three consecutive games for Cleveland midway through the 2008 season, completing 45-of-89 passes for 518 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions during that stretch.
- Made the first start of his NFL career on Thursday Night Football vs. Denver (11/6/08), completing 23-of-35 (65.7%) passes for 239 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions for a 104.3 passer rating, after seeing time in the Browns’ season finale as a rookie in 2007.
Adam Weber has looked good in training camp this year and provided Orton isn't traded, look for him to end up the practice squad. There is not too much expectation from him to crack the top three right now, but the kid definitely has some promise and worthy of a practice squad spot.
Here is some additional information on Weber via http://www.denverbroncos.com:
Adam Weber is a rookie quarterback from the University of Minnesota who joined the Broncos as a college free agent on July 27, 2011… Finished his career ranked third all-time in the Big Ten Conference for passing yards (10,917) and passing attempts (1,594) and fourth all-time with 909 completions… His 72 passing touchdowns rank 10th all-time in the Big Ten… Set a conference record for consecutive starts (50) by a quarterback and tied the all-time league record for all positions… Started all 12 games as a senior, completing 205-of-368 passes for 2,515 yards with 20 touchdowns… Started all 13 games his junior season and threw for 2,582 yards on 191-367 passing with 13 touchdowns… Opened all 13 games as a sophomore, finishing 255-of-410 for 2,761 yards and 15 touchdowns… Started all 12 games and completed 258-of-449 passes for 2,895 yards and 25 touchdowns during his freshman campaign… Attended Mounds View High School in Arden Hills, Minn., where he was a three-time all-state performer and all-conference selection… Also lettered four times each in basketball and track… Majored in business marketing education… Adam Weber was born on Aug. 3, 1987.
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Not question of If but when
Orton will choke when there is pressure. He did it with the bears and in the previous two seasons with Broncos. He looks good when there is no pressure and the game is not on the line, but when it is he will fail. We need to move on and determine if Tebow is the answer, and if not then get a QB in the draft next year.
Richard Antill - Fan in Poky Idaho
Excellent post....
Very good take on each QB. Right or wrong, for better or worse, Bronco fans will boo Kyle Orton when he does a couple of three and outs in a row. Further, mix in a few three and outs and a loss, then you will have fans yelling “Tebow, Tebow Tebow!” This is not necessarily how I would react, but it is how I predict the fans will react.
Here is my one pearl of wisdom for the week: Kyle Orton is more divisive in Bronco country than Tim Tebow.
by swg777 on Aug 6, 2011 10:15 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Bronco fans will boo Orton the second he takes the field, watch and see.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 6, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
You don't give Bronco fans much credit, do you?
by Horse Head Bookends on Aug 6, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I am a fan...and he will get booed.....fans just plain dont like him now...not just as a player...but as a person.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
you wouldn't boo him would you Boydy?
As a person?
We know him?
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 6, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Nope...I was pissed when the crowd booed McDaniels at the Rams game.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
good man. True fan.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 6, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I was apart of that booing :(
Sorry everyone else was doing it I only tried it once LOL
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
its okay...
booing does not equal the heroine of sports hahaha…no need to explain…id probably knock mcd out if given the opportunity
Yeah, I only booed once but I didn't inhale!
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Aug 6, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not the second he takes the field
The second he makes hist first mistake, then the boos will begin.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
i won't! Real fans support their team on game day!!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 6, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
SWG 777...I agree...and thats why I rate the QB situation a D. having orton here adds to instability and stifles development of a young team....
I would feel much better with Tebow starting, Quinn at 2nd and Delhomme at 3rd, helping GROOM Tebow and QUinn and getting them to become better players. Every snap Orton takes with the 1’s is a wasted snap….unless he is extended…and if that happens I will have to start following the CFL…j/k.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Follow CFL? hahahaha! Haven't you already quit about 12 times over the past 2 years!
just kidding!
by rocko1 on Aug 6, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, never quit...but I am not going to agree with something if I think its a crappy thing....plus, I am full of piss and vinegar today so thought I would have some fun with this thing....
I mean, really, how much more can we hash this out. Lets all make some OUTRAGEOUS statements and see where it goes….
KYLE ORTON SUCKS AND TEBOW WILL BE MVP!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
in TRUE form my friend!!
I can remember you talking ME back from the ledge from Shanny’s firing to McD’s hiring, the Cutler trade, the Knowshon pick and finally the Tebow pick….
No WONDER you’re so fired up haha
kidding- my turn i guess.
Regardless of the QB (I’m ok with either) FOOTBALL WILL BE HERE THURSDAY
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 6, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
DELHOMEE?!
im sorry but id rather not have a guy who averages more interceptions than touchdowns be the mentor to anyone..,
How about you spell his name correctly.....
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
I apologize ben
DELHOMME…i was very frantically typing that…i live in Charlotte and got to see jake place first hand…id honestly let brett favre come out of retirement and be our qb then ever see jake delhomme in the blue and orange
All cool mate...just having fun with ya!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Kyle Orton already said he wont mentor Tim Tebow
Forget him anyways I want John Elway Mentoring Tim Tebow
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
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Im curious swg777
how would you react?
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
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Very unbiased preview...
Sharpe’s right, though we all know the fans will still do it.
Yep
We have a terrible terrific problem. Too much talent and no where to go. I for one (of the few) don’t believe Kyle Orton will choke, he will perform fine with a better team and we will all benefit. No value? Not a mentor? How about he will help this team improve this year and move on. We will then be able to bring the next QB into a better situation which will help him to learn quicker and maybe we will get to see our team improve over time to the contenders we all want them to be. Quinn is showing what I hoped he would and is now also a viable option by all the reports which makes me even more willing to let Orton go in a trade if that is the way this all works out.
No Tebow hate here and I hope all the Tebow hopeful can see the wisdom of waiting. Not the least of which is the advantage of NOT having to start all over in the Luck sweepstakes.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Aug 6, 2011 10:22 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Waiting for what? He needs game time and live reps,,,how Orton starting helps the team I dont get...it helps zero.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Your distaste for Orton is more than obvious
Your reasoning is faulty in my opinion and your description of what you think his motives are have left no room for debate.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
and maybe Sean I am just taking the piss beacuse i am so over the debate...ever thought of that...
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Your tune hasn't changed
Your just fired up today.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Actually...not fired up man...just bored...you want my honest opinion....point form...and I will start making serious comments after this...
- Denver will go with Orton (to save face, and because they might think they can surprise some teams).
- If an injury occurs in another roster, trade maybe a possibility (but I doubt it)
- Week 6 will be where we would see a QB change if we are sucking.
- Tebow will get his packages.
- Kyle wont be extended by the team, and I dont think he wants to be, so when I say he gets a FREE one year rental on this team, I am being serious. He gets to show his wares, and the benefit to our team is minimal.
- Having Kyle Orton as our starter does not excite me, nor fill me full of hope, based on the last 2 seasons.
- Tebow has potential, but we dont know how much until we play him. SO…thats why I want to start him now….just gives the team more time and knowledge to base an informed decision on the a rich QB class next draft.
- I am excited by the defense.
- I support the horse head on the helmet first and foremost. I dont agree with all the decisions that were made and ways things were handled this off season, but only a moron would think that any of these decisions were to deliberately hurt the team.
The end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
by boydy2669 on Aug 6, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're right, It's more fun the other way.
LOL. Kewl boydy. I am more optomistic than you or McGeorge, or many others. I agree with your assesements except the value to the Broncos goes beyond the QB position in that we don’t have to worry about it and can concentrate on other areas. I believe Orton can be more than adequete for us to rebuild a year.
I also believe that if things don’t go against us, bad luck, injury bug, any number of bad scenarios. That we could end up with an excited fan base looking forward to a brighter future.
13 -3 till we ain’t baby!!!
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
I believe in Tebow but we need to find out now if he has what it takes.
Who cares what Orton can do this year. We are not going to the Super Bowl so him having a great year would help get him a bigger payday with his next team but who cares? Let’s see what Tebow can do. I would love to see him prove his critics wrong but if he does not have what it takes we need to find that out now.
by fiverolledtacos on Aug 6, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed 100%
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Nope...honestly...and not to start a flame war...
It should have been a trade or cut option for Orton. Take the trade with Miami or we will cut you to wipe the wages off the sheet.
It was just bad business all round by the Broncos, and it has led to all this controversy, and has done nothing to really help the team, both in ways of building team spirit, or developmentally.
Now, only my opinions but consider this:
Orton is gone, team rallys behind Tebow. He has already had a positive effect his last 3 games, so guys want to play for him. Everyone is on the same page, with same goals, and Tebow is unquestioned leader. You now have given the kid everythign he needs to succeed, and if he does not, you can move forward with a new plan. If he does, the team has taken a quantum leap forward.
With Orton here, the team remains in a state of flux.
It is unfortunate, but Orton needs to go or Tebow needs to go. Them’s the choices!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
BUT!
what if we did cut orton, announced our boy wonder was going to take the reigns(pun intended) and he choked(i dont believe he will, but just saying). So then we have to convince alot of people that we can rebuild next year under andrew luck(assuming we are bad enough to get him in the draft). so think about the rest of the offense, they have had 3 different qb’s in 3 years at that point. that is not healthy for the chemistry of the offense. Even Brandon Lloyd said it, although he is playing the fence on Tebow/Orton, he would have been pissed if orton left because of the connection they had on the field last year.
by Nelliott34 on Aug 6, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
CAn we call him Tebow or something as oppsoed to boy wonder?? And people wonder why others get on the defensive.
The sarcasm gets old
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Aug 6, 2011 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
haha
i meant no offense…damn…hey if he started and kicked ass…then you’d like the nick name…just saying
Sorry Nelliott....
I guess that’s the definition of over sensitive huh?
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Aug 6, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats fine...because we now know a year earlier if we start Orton this year...
The worst thing last year is that Tebopw played well and showed upside in his last 3 games. If we had of made change from week 6 then we would be a lot further along in the make up of this team….and here we are treading water for another year!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Tebow is getting reps in practice, and should have been working on his game in the off-season.
Does he stay after practice and work on his throwing motion or is he more worried about signing autographs? Does Tebow think he’s so good that practice doesn’t matter, and that he shouldn’t have to earn the starting position.
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I like your thinking here
maybe Kyle Orton using us isnt so bad after all
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Stop Sean you're making too much sense
Another thing, remember how we cant lure FAs over here? Well maybe if we go who gives us the best chance to WIN they will see the ship is being righted in Broncos Country.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
I voted F not because of bad talent but the way it has been handled get it cleared up and fast... Iwant TT to play but if he si not going to trade him now while he still has some value.
oldcoachB
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Quinn has been the good news so far
When did you ever think you’d read that sentence? With all the crap surrounding Orton and Tebow, I’ve enjoyed reading the reports that Quinn is looking like a legit NFL QB. I never cared for him in college – what can I say, I hate Notre Dame – and who in their right mind follows the Browns? But ever since he arrived, I’ve hoped he would step up and be allowed to redeem himself. Seems like he is, even if it never results in the starting job.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Another very long season for improv
At first he wanted Simms over Orton. Then for about two weeks last year he was calling for Quinn. Then it was Tebow. In 2011, he’s a Tebow supporter. It will be Orton in 2011, unless he’s traded or gets injured.
very surprising to see u 2 bashing tebow supporters on here
dont worry Improv88 these guys would be for Kyle Orton even if he was as bad as Chris simms and even if Kyle Orton is hurting the Denver Broncos. Which he is we didnt just try to trade Orton for no reason we dont want him here. Not just the fans but obviously the front office doesnt want him here or we wouldnt have tried to trade him
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Oh don't worry about me
These two are living on a different planet and are oblivious to the fact that they are alone in their opinions. Old adage – if you are the only one in the room that isn’t laughing, the joke is on you. That’s Hoop and Rocko to a tee. They see Orton as some ProBowl, all-world player and are impervious to the facts that he is seen as nothing but a journeyman by the rest of the NFL.
Single biggest reason I quit responding to Hoop at all – never argue with a fool, people may not know the difference. Fortunately everyone on this site knows him for what he is.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
by improv88 on Aug 6, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Population explosion on planet KO.
Hey, I live on that planet. I’m the hermit in the log cabin in the woods.
by JamesNrvAttackr on Aug 6, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you like double rainbows?
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Yep. I am happy to hear of Quinn's progress. I feel confident having him as the back up.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
It appears the choice is made already.
Orton will start all the games, and do just enough to keep the starting job, working with the first stringers against vanilla preseason defenses. Tebow and Quinn will fight it out for #2, using the 2nd and 3rd stringers. Looks like the only way Tebow will get to start is if Orton gets injured. I am preparing myself for another long, depressing season. Sorry to be a pessimist….but I just see no upside to this quarterback controversy (and it IS a controversy). I miss those days of knowing year in and year out that #7 would be lining up behind center.
I am with you....I will watch the defense...but nothing about a Kyle Orton led offense excites me or makes me want to tune in except I have blind loyalty for a team who i think has so badly handled this mess I dont know what to think.
Lucky I support the horse head, and not the guys in the FO or I would be having HUGE doubts.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
our Defense is going to be destructive for opposing teams
but I agree Kyle Orton isnt anything to get excited about WHY DO YOU THINK WE TRIED TO TRADE HIM WE DONT WANT HIM AROUND
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Unless EFX blowing smoke, I'm expecting to see Tebow start either game 2 or 3.
If he doesn’t, then Fox has been full of it concerning competition, and Orton will lead us into another season of mediocrity.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
So you already know the results?
I really don’t want to start another long thread but can we just quit saying what will happen. this is what stirs the controversy.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Aug 6, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Sean....
Improv88 didn’t say “know” as you allege. He said he is “expecting.” Lighten up and don’t make the constraints of the internet even more difficult by mischaracterizing.
dude
If he doesn’t, then Fox has been full of it concerning competition
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
he sure will appear that way bro
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Now wait a minute
improve says he thinks Tebow will replace Orton by game two or three and if that does not happen fox lied about the qb comp…..
How can you say that before the fact and even insinuate fox “has been full of it”. That is pre determining the outcome.
Why not stop assuming and making asses of all of us?
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
I was referring to preseason, Sean
I expect Tebow to start game 2 or 3 of the preseason in order to see what he can do against the 1st string defenses. If THAT doesn’t happen, if he is not allowed to show what he can do against starters, then the competition is most definitely a crock.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
oh, well
when you add that little bit of info hehe
heh
So, hows it going improv? Wife and kids ok?
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
lmao
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Eh, trying to teach my 2-year old to yell Go Broncos
But it keeps coming out as “Go Bonkers”. Close enough given the offseason thus far.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Haha...from the mouth of babes...when I used to yell "Touchdown Broncos" both my twins would put their arms in the air!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Just remember
He will pick up what you say during the season. Make sure it is Go Broncos and not something else :D
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Mediocrity will be good....I think Orton will lead us nowhere.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
he was giving 2 different scenarios?
That doesnt sound like knowing whats going to happen
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Yeah the Bronco will completely suck if Orton throws for 4,000 yards with a running game and a defense.
What is your coaching staff thinking starting a guy who can do that and has done it over Tebow.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 6, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 12 recs
well then why did we try to trade the Great Kyle Orton?
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It's sad that the only voice of reason on a Broncos site is a Chiefs fan.
Rec’d.
by Matt In Canada on Aug 6, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I unaccept this.
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That should tell us something about Orton...
If the opposition is pulling for Orton that’s reason enough for me to pull the other way.
And yes I’ve been an Orton fan since the “trade” until I SAW Tebow in game action (yes that’s when I was convinced Tebow gives us the better chance to win).
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Aug 6, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Bring Tebow on
Will make him wish he had stuck to writing books.
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Pffft...whatever....I love the internet threats.....
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Yea CPT....
So does it piss you off that I don’t agree with you? I’m just going by what my eyes tell me. Nope, I haven’t coached football but did watch EVERY game so I can only go by what I see.
I really wish I had your insight…it would save me a lot of time. I hope Tebow never reads your threat btw…he’ll never be the same.
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by broncofaninIL on Aug 6, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
No I'm not pissed at all.
I don’t really care who you guys start, but I’m rooting for Orton because of all the hate he’s getting from you guys, well most of you. If Tebow start then that’s even better because we actually talk about something different in here for a change. Eric Berry is a “Gamer” and he proves it in practice as well, maybe the pressure you guys are putting on Tebow is really what’s effecting him more than you know.
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He wont throw for 4000 yards in this offense...no need to....he will be a game manager...which is why it makes sense to give tebow a chance behind a run first offense.
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Boydy I think your team will do better than you think with Orton at QB, if the fans will get behind him.
I’m really pulling for Orton to do well because of all the negative comments he’s getting in here. Before you guys started on him I believed that Tebow should start if for no other reason than to see what he’s got. Tebow can’t even earn the spot in training from what you consider a shit QB, and all this (he’s a “Gamer” talk) about how he only brings it during a game just doesn’t fly in the NFL. I see both side of it, I think Orton will do a good job with a better team around him, and I think he’ll give his best effort. Orton has to know that this is his last chance and he better take advantage of it. That being said, I also think for the future of the Bronco that Tebow should start if for no other reason than to see if he has it or not. But I don’t think he should get a free ride, he should earn it in camp, and he should have come into camp showing signs of improvement.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 6, 2011 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he has to improve a lot of his deficiencies before I can jump on board.
He starts winning games, you’ll see attitudes change, but right now he was a 3-10 quarterback who took 26 third down sacks and was barely above 40% in the red zone.
Blame everything you want…but who takes 26 out of 30 sacks in a season on third down? He needs to start taking risks or that will never change. He doesn’t have to be Jay Cutler-dumb, just do something to try and convert those crucial big game changing moments………………………..
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You mean he played for a 3-10 team.
Yeah the sack stat sucks, but so did the play calling on those downs. That should improve with better options at TE and a coach who’ll use the RBs more out of the backfield.
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I already went through the stats.
Most of those third and longs are due to 2nd down incomplete passes. He put himself in those situations through bad decisions. Even worse, he does it when the GAMES ARE CLOSE.
All you have to do is look at his situational stats tab on his official bio page: http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Kyle-Orton/51835e42-1635-49f6-8de1-f3fc0e2cbc48
I know what Kyle Orton is. I don’t know what Tim Tebow is. I just get the feel from Orton that he’ll continue to be an average QB and I also get the sense we won’t be competing for any championships with him leading the way. If I get the same feelings from Tebow, then so be it. It is what it is.
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I could argue that it was because of the lack of a running game or any other viable threat other than the passing game that made it easy to guess what the next play was going to be.
My guess is in most of those situation it was 2nd down and long because of that lack of a running game. It wasn’t that hard to call defensive plays against the Broncos last year. It doesn’t really matter at this point because Orton will start, and Tebow will hold a clip board until they call a QB sneak at the goal line. Beside you don’t have to make me believe Tebow should start just your own coaching staff.
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I've had Green before :P
It just seems to go up in smoke.
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how does Orton have less votes than Tebow, and Quinn
Does anybody actually watch them play?
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Votes where? What poll are you looking at?
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sorry thought the question was which one do you want to see as the starter...
My bad!
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by Texans-Brocos on Aug 6, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
GREAT IDEA POST A POLL someone
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HA
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
A Few Things to Consider
Which QB has said trade me?
Which QB has said I won’t be a backup?
Which QB has said I won’t be a mentor?
For all the Orton apologists out there, which QB wants to be a Bronco, and which QB wants to get paid no mater where it is?
by John in Castle Rock on Aug 6, 2011 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I get that, but how would you feel if you boss walked
In your office and said I just hired this great guy, I want you to teach him everything you know so I can get rid of you in a couple of years… I wouldn’t be to loyal if that happened to me either…
Especially if he isn’t all that talented and is just very popular w the other coworkers or customers and that why he gets the job not because of his skill at the job…
Just sayn’
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by Texans-Brocos on Aug 6, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
But that's the point
Orton made the quite calculated decision that this year with the Broncos is his “audition for the rest of the NFL” year. He couldn’t care less about the Broncos. The one thing I have always disliked about Kyle is is sullen personality. The world and the NFL owes him a living. When is the last time you saw any joy and love of and for the game in this guy? He is not a natural leader.
by John in Castle Rock on Aug 6, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Hi Guys nice 2 see you again
Kyle Orton has shown these things he doesnt mentor Tim Tebow he wont take a pay cut and the reason he didnt go to Miami is because he wouldnt take a pay cut. he said he wont be a backup and he wont mentor Tim Tebow the guy is a punk he is hurting our team and next year when hes playing some else my team can really start to rebuild instead of being in Limbo with the Great Kyle Orton
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LMAO, you sound like a spoiled brat.
Kyle won’t mentor Tebow and he won’t take a pay cut boo frickin hoo. Why should he want too mentor Tebow with what being said about him, remember Tebow so great and all. Why should he take a pay cut to go somewhere else, it makes no sense.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 6, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Probably because we love the Broncos and Orton does not.
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Where is all this Orton hates the Bronco talk coming from?
I challenge anyone to prove it with a link.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 6, 2011 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm surprised it's turned to this in here.
You guys always seemed to stay calm and cool about things.
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Yawn.
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Found a link yet?
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Yeah, I've written about it extensively.
Orton has a long way to go to win back my faith. We’ll find out in about a month. I am not the type to be a complete homer and follow a player from team to team. I’m a Bronco fan and what Orton showed me last year was that he is seriously flawed in big moments.
If he starts winning this year, you’ll find me much more amiable towards him. I’m actually NOT a Tebow or Orton homer…and all I have to judge is how both performed last season in critical moments. That makes Tebow the winner…I am not as forgiving as John Fox, so Orton needs to win back my faith and trust.
I would not expect you to understand because you didn’t likely watch every Broncos game last year and Orton’s best game was the drubbing you took midseason…that wasn’t the Orton we saw in most of the other games…..
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I watch as many as i could, but you're right i didn't watch them all.
2009 the Chiefs went 4-12 and Cassel didn’t look that good, but i realized that the team as a whole needed to improve. One year later the Chiefs go 10-6 with the same QB who didn’t look so good the year before. The only difference is our coach didn’t over draft a QB to try and keep his job. If you guys want to hate or blame someone it should be McDaniels for putting the “Team” in the situation it’s in now.
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You won’t be winning any championships with Cassel, so your FO is doing you a disservice by aiming for average. Just another Trent Green or Elvis Grbac. And if you do, your team would be an exception to the general rule.
The Denver Broncos want championships and those aren’t won with Ortons, Cassels, Greens, Grbacs, or even Cutlers. Sure we could build a once in a generation defense like the 85 Bears, Parcel’s Giants, Ravens D, or Bucs D…but wow, 5 Super Bowls in the last 30. Woohoo!
Meanwhile, Montana, Elway, Brady, Manning, Rothlesberger, Young, Aikman, Favre, Warner…combined 18 Super Bowl WINS in last 30. :) I might have left a few out…who knows.
Let’s just say I like my chances with a franchise QB over one without. That’s the central point to my argument. I can’t accept mediocrity at the QB position. Period.
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27 TDs and 7 INTs is above average in my book.
Those stats come from a QB with one viable WR, and opposing teams knew it. M.Cassel is still improving his game and he will prove you wrong, but hey that’s just my opinion.
Let me know when you guys get a Franchise QB and then will discuss this more.
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I would agree.
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And Denver dont have the guts to cut his mopey headed, skinny, knock kneed arse.....that should have been the alternatives...we trade you or cut you....no in between.
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And flames begin...10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1......
PS: Comment made to stir things up. Disregard…..I might as well have some fun with this thing!
The whole thing has got comical!
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Nope...talk about being over the whole thing man...as mentioned....might as well have some fun with this....
It will be what it will be…..
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Ben can you make me a promise
if orton stays the starter the entire season, and we are above .500, you will formally apologize to Orton…send him roses and offer to kiss his toes?
now im just trying to stir the pot
It's because there's no other viable option at QB right now.
Quinn’s looking decent in TC apparently though.
by Matt In Canada on Aug 6, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
:P
I just want to see some football already.
Let the best QB start!
by Matt In Canada on Aug 6, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Am I being paid a cool couple mil to train this new guy?
I understand what you are saying but it seems that Orton thinks a bit too highly of himself. He should collect his money and hopefully (if he’s the starter) leads the Broncos to some victories.
I just think the guy go the short end of the stick..
He was an after thought in the Cutler trade.. then had a great season (as any qb would have after leaving Chicago) then they immediately draft Tebow.. Just a tough spot..
The other part of my hesitation, comes from watching the Houston game last year.. and having the whole stadium cheer for tebow, and watching him still look mediocre, against the horrible texans secondary..
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by Texans-Brocos on Aug 6, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree he isn't Mr. personallity..
and his aloof attitude makes him hard to relate to…
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by Texans-Brocos on Aug 6, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
HE HAS HAD NO GREAT SEASONS...and there is the fallacy...8-7 and 3-10 are not GREAT seasons.
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by boydy2669 on Aug 6, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
i understand
the only stat that truly matters are Win/Losses…but statistically he has been a very good qb overall…its hard to beat teams consistently when you have no running game, no TE threat, and your defense stays on the field for 75% of the game
by Nelliott34 on Aug 6, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are the only stats that matter...wins and losses....
Thats why a ton of staff lost their jobs, a ton of players lost their jobs…because they contributed to putrid records. Not all Ortons fault…team sport and all those great platitudes…but he contributed a large part as being the startiung QB. Fair? probably not. Reality? Definitely!
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so do you disagree
that with a better running game and a much improved defense that orton gives us a better chance to win this year…and tebow will be better in the future with more mentoring and grooming by watching and learning from orton running the offense?
Nope, I dont...because thats an essentially dumbed down game from last seasons throw first concept...
This just helps Tebow even more, because it gives him MORE chance to use his mobility. The only true upside that Orton has over Tebow is his throwing game vertically. Tebow is actually superior in the screen pass game and Kyle shades him on play action.
So, taking all that into account, does not a run first offense actually make Tebow more appealing.
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If wins and losses are all tha matters
…time to cut bait with losers like Bailey, Clady, Kuper, Dawkins, Dumervil, and so on.
Or at the very least, start someone younger in those spots. To get on with the rebuilding process and all.
Right?
by JeffG on Aug 6, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Even his personal stats have never approached "great"
His career bests have landed him in the middle of the pack.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Mediocre...you are huffing some excellent fumes my friend....
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Yeah, "Texans-Brocos", Tebow looked thoroughly "mediocre" against the Texans.
The other part of my hesitation, comes from watching the Houston game last year.. and having the whole stadium cheer for tebow, and watching him still look mediocre, against the horrible texans secondary..
For one, the whole stadium was cheering for Tebow because he represented hope for improvement and the fans were ready for some excitement after having to drudge thru the worst season in Broncos history – besides, it was his first home start – and he did lead the team to an exciting comeback win (mediocre, I know).
Second, while he definitely needs to improve his game (just like most, if not all, 2nd year players) Tebow’s performance in the Houston game was far from “mediocre.”
Tebow was one of only six QBs (P. Manning, McNabb, Garrard, Sanchez, Vick) to pass for more than 300 yds against that “horrible texans defense” (and they were horrible – I won’t dispute that fact).
But my point is that if they were that horrible why didn’t every QB they faced pass for 300+? P. Manning only did it once , same with Garrard. Romo failed to do so, as did Cassell and Rivers, and E. Manning, and Flacco. That’s a rather impressive list of veteran/elite/Super Bowl winning QBs who failed to perform against that “horrible texans defense” as well as Tebow did.
Again, I do agree that Tebow needs to “earn” the starting job but let’s at least be fair in our criticisms (of all 3 QBs) shall we?
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by FloridaFan62 on Aug 6, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
9 million dollars this year
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Nobody asked Orton to mentor they asked Orton to compete thats what happens when you use words like YOU SUCK hes better and everything that goes along with it
Orton has never been respected or liked by the fan base and thus hes gonna fight for his respect and his job every minute.
by Hoopforia on Aug 6, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Respect is earned
The final straw was the Raiders game last year, and the procession of garbage after that. Until then, there was a little bit of slack. After that egg… go park your chicken elsewhere Mr. Orton. That was SHAMEFUL.
by Da Bum on Aug 6, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he never will.
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So you know what the coaches asked KO to do?
THERE IS A REASON WE TRIED TO TRADE HIM
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Uh oh, the ALL CAPS RESPONSE!
Yes, there’s a reason we were willing to trade him. But by that same logic (not that I’m counting on you to follow it) there’s a reason he’s still here: the Broncos didn’t get what they believed was the value equivalent to giving him up.
He could still be traded — and frankly, the Broncos are in a good position, should the starting QB on any number of teams show poorly or get injured in the pre-season.
At worst, we’ll get to see Orton in a more balanced attack, hopefully with a defense to complement the offense, and finally know for sure just what he’s capable of. He showed last year that he could throw a very nice deep ball and that arm strength isn’t really an issue. His liability is that he can’t scramble well.
Re: third downs, I’m looking forward to seeing him with some TEs who can actually gain separation and then catch the ball.
But who knows.
by JeffG on Aug 6, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
But JeffG...
conspiracy theories or claiming EFX incompetence are so much more fun than simply not getting the value we wanted!
I mean, how else could the Orton-haters feed the flames of their anger?
TT, for better or worse has looked poor so far in camp… hope he brings in preseason and makes this a competition.
I know I have NEVER heard Fox,Elway or Xander mention anything about QB mentoring another QB . They are all under 30 and that would be stupid
I have heard them say COMPETE an awful lot though .
They tried to trade him because he asked to be if he hadnt they would be doing the exact same thing . They would be watching all three compete to decide who to start which is exactly what they said they were going to do from the start
It happens all the time
Either you man up and do as you are asked, or you are shown the door early. Every business needs new talent coming in the door. That means either the existing talent finds a new way to contribute, or heads for greener pastures. It is the way of life (and why pensions have gone BYE BYE).
If you are a professional, you do your job because of your loyalty to yourself and who you are. If you are an immature punk, you pout and whine.
Get a grip on reality!
Orton didn’t create this clusterf#ck in Denver. Why would a guy that’s playing the best football of his career want to be a backup? What would a 28 year old player, entering his prime years, want to be a mentor to Tebow? That’s a gig for a McNabb or some other middle age veteran! You need to face the facts that Tebow’s QB skill pale in comparison to Orton’s. The only thing I know for a fact that Orton daid is “if I return to the Broncos next season, I expect to be the starter.”.
If thats the best football of his career, then me as a Broncos fan, deserves WAY more than that...his best is just not good enough for this team!
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Ya he sure did make himself look good
and make the Broncos look bad worst season in franchise history
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lol
Tim is very sly, but skillful in the way he designs his posts. The photos that he selects all have a purpose. Notice how Tebow looks like a fierce warrior and, well that’s not a very flattering picture of Orton. Then he puts in only certain stats from last season. Hey, he’s the author!
Conspiracy much Rocko?????
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he is a Kyle Orton fan he followed him from chicago 2 here
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We know that TK, rocko1 is a bi.....team fan and likes what Orton did with the Bears when he was there...
Circumstances haven’t exactly been pleasant for Kyle at either place, but Kyle has to suck up and make for himself what he wants to be, he won’t get much help from anybody else.
Actually..Purdue Alumni..so Orton fan since 2000.
Fantastic for me when he was drafted by the Bears.
it all makes sense now
Im ok with whoever starts but you cant go around bashing on people who like Tim Tebow more than the great Kyle Orton
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85% of you all are constantly slinging mud on Orton!
I honestly beleive Tebow is overrated, but I don’t bash him a lot. I’m kind of like the public defender of
Orton. Just a big fan, nothing personal against Tebow.
But how in the world can you be a Bear fan and a Bronco fan??
I live in the area and I guess it doesn’t make any sense to me. In fact about this time of year a puke a little bit in my mouth listening to Bears/Packers Packers/Bears…
I didn’t mean to question you personally just a generic question…I could never understand how someone could be a fan of more than 1 team. Of course it could be my shortcoming lol
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Aug 6, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, the Bears in their infinite wisdom
took a crap on Orton after 2005 in favor of Rex Grossman no less. Then after reconsidering that poor decision they decided to give Kyle back the starting job. Then the Bears had a brainstorm…lets give away our future 1st round draft picks(we don’t know how to use them wisely anyways) with Kyle for Jay Cutler. That one has really worked out about as well! Orton has outplayed Cutler every year since the trade. So is it Kyle’s fault or bad mangement? the answer is obvious.
You can really easily make the argument that management is also the problem with the Broncos. Most people with an objective viewpoint agree that one of the few brightspots on the Broncos during 2009-10 has been one Kyle Orton. I’m convinced that when he plays on a well balanced team, he will have his greatest years in the NFL .
Kyle Orton and 1st round picks for Jay Cutler
BEST TRADE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I disagree...all we have no is division and mediocrity.
Before Cutler was traded, no one argued about who was the starting QB.
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Where have I heard this before Zappa...no matter how the FO wants to slice it....QB competeition stinks....as a TEAM, we would be far further along if Tebow or Orton had been traded......and as I persoanlly think Tim has a lot more upside....
Name Tebow starter and cut Orton and lets see where it leads for this season. At least we will know a lot more than we know now.
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I'm saying there was none of this bullshit when Cutler was the starter....before McD was hired.
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Imo, orton not the problem. Bowlen…yes. Ellis…yes…Xanders..yes…McD…yes. I don’t care what Ted Bartlett thinks…problem is talent on the field..No QB in the NFL could have done much better, under the same set of circumstances. Orton is just getting started after being crapped on by Chicago and now it looks like the Broncos..I hope that’s not the case, but that’s the writing on most walls. Kyle should have his shot in 2012 if he gets on a decent team. I know you’ve been wrong in the past when it comes to QB/coaches..heck who hasn’t. We’ll see. Just hoping that 2011 has good things in store for the Broncos. Peace!
Well, some of us were still longing
…for Jake Plummer.
Of course, but my Cutler reference was for 2008. :)
2006 was another matter…
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He is saying there is no real starter, division in team and fans and all Orton brings is mediocrity based on pat 2 seasons....At least when Jay was here we all knew he was our starter...
I agree…you have 2 QB’s….you have none. This is bad for the team, the franchise, the fans, and the players involved.
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Ted Bartlett talked about the two = zero thing...
I just think we have one mediocre starter and the other has more potential, but isn’t there yet…so what we have is crap.
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Exactly, but we need to find out what we got in Tebow and then have a plan.
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BUT!
it is a fun way to mess with Dolphin fans. I have a friend who is a Dolphin fan and all he talked about for days was how he wanted Orton, then it fell through. The other day he stopped me and said something about how bad the broncos were last year to which i replied…“well atleast we have a quarterback…oh wait we have two!”
There's a flattering picture of Orton somewhere
Please, share this pictographical testimony to this marvelous athletic specimen. I hope you know how to use photoshop.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
by improv88 on Aug 6, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think his most flattering picutes are with the blonde honey! lol
At least he likes the opposite sex!
and a bottle of jack daniels
and thats the only reason I like KO hes a drunk like me
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OK, you have me there
So much the clothes make the man. When in doubt, be with someone hot enough that no one notices you.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Umm, It's a widget and the photo was picked by SBNation.
Right-click this webpage and click “view source”, then scour the html code for the section that has Tebow’s picture. You will see it comes from a widget and the photo is pulled from SBNation’s database.
Oye!!!
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Man…people are getting crazy. This is just an unbiased preview of all out quarterbacks and I listed them in the order I think they fall on the CURRENT DEPTH CHART.
Just saying…for those of you who have clearly lost their minds.
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Let the preseason begin!
This debate has been done and ruined a good many times. There is no debate. There is only what J Fox decides.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
metalman5050
not entirely true. John Fox, and all head coaches, will at some point have to bend to the will of their fans. I guarantee you that John Fox will only be able to take the Tebow cheers for so long.
Respectfully, I beg to differ.
In my opinion John Fox’s main obligation is to build a championship football team. Right now I am sure he has his hands full trying to do just that which limits his PR time with the fans. The top three QB’s on this roster were all aquired by Josh McDaniels so I am guessing that there isn’t a “Fox guy” at Quarterback for the Broncos right now. Unfortunately I am beginning to believe that the QB to lead th Broncos to the Super Bowl is Not currently on the roster either. I guess we’ll all see soon enough and I hope to hell that I am wrong!
"Most of the things I worry about, never happen anyway"-Tom Petty
Build a championship team with Kyle Orton and some other FA's we have at the moment.....in what life time???
At least the other guys KNOW they are a stepping stone for young guys. Kyle does not get it. At least on D Line we NEED these guys until we start drafting some talent…we don’t NEED Kyle orton. We are 3 years from competing, and have Orton for another year, wasting our time and playing for his own FA contract…there is some GREAT business and athletic sense!
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Hahaha...not sure Bill...Sean (who is one of my favorite posters yet we agree NEVER) took the gloves off, so I am following suit...when in Rome and all that!
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All cool man...I was loving your style...gave me a huge laugh man.
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LOL
I ended up feeling pretty fried from it all.
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I find it unsettling
..that the front office apparently had a trade worked out with the Dolphins, only to discover that Kyle had the authority to cancel the deal. Then their answer is, “Well, since we can’t trade him, we might as well start him.” ??
Is that good management?? Very concerned about this team.
by cskilly on Aug 6, 2011 10:58 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Good point.
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Aug 6, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
The FO
offered to trade Orton. Orton was ok with being shopped, so good for all parties. The Broncos said this is what we want… blah blah, a one and your seat revenue for 5 years. Most teams said no but the Dolphins said maybe. So KO says, I am a starter and I want good money. Miami says , well wait a minute, we are already giving up xxx. Kyle says Yeah, but I am already getting xxx.
It all makes sense and is not a mess up by anyone really.
No options are off the table right now. We have not even played one pre season game yet.
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I'm not sure about that1
My understanding, is that because denver wanted a high draft pick for KO…Miami wanted to make sure Orton was with the team for more than one season. He’s a FA next year, thus they wanted to extend his contract. They couldn’t agree on terms/money. If Denver said..give us a 5th rounded and you pick up the $8miilion salary for 2011..probably a done deal. We will never know for sure what exactly went down.
Somebody should go
If Orton’s your Guy, sign him long term and either cut or trade Tebow. If not, cut him or trade. Please don’t try and keep both.
by John in Castle Rock on Aug 6, 2011 11:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Tebow would be the last player I'd cut, he is a developing raw talent...
If we talk about Matthew Stafford or Mark Shancez I would say they are still raw developing talent. They were forced into the fire because neither Detroit or the Jets had any other opts. We do. Orton has done a fairly good job considering the whole team’s circumstances. Letting Orton fulfill his obligation of his final year and keep developing Tebow is an option the Broncos have. They don’t have to throw Tebow in the fire, they can let him learn behind an offensive group that is still learning themselves. Too many times we see quarterbacks rushed into service only to be hurt by it, maybe not physical, but mentally…
Orton asked to be traded, likely because he prbably felt the 1st rd draft pick Tebow was going be the starter...
Denver and Miami had a deal worked out for the trade. Orton bulked at what Miami was willing to give him, thinking he should get a deal similar to Kolb. Miami wouldn’t have anything to do with believing Orton was a short term cure for the position. Orton doesn’t have to have a veto clause in his contract to say he won’t go somewhere. He can opt to do whatever he wants. Sounds to me like Denver has bent over backwards for him much like they did for Cutler (Bears), Marshall (Miami) and Scheffler to the (Lions). Miami was the only outlet Orton had with all of the other quarterback needy teams already filling their spot.
The fiasco of last week has left the Broncos in a sticky situation now and I wonder how it will work out.
Don't know about that bfree.
A trade could have been completed with any involvement from Orton. The only reason he got involved was because Miami wanted to extend/rework his contract before they would agree to give Denver a high draft choice. The only other two logical landing spots for Orton for longer than one year were Seattle and Arizona.
Miami was only willing to give orton a 2 year deal where Orton wanted a longer one.
Don’t know how much the Dophins deal was, but Orton balked on the deal. Don’t know how McD/Xanders restructured his extension for 2011 either (Orton has veto power of any trade or the broncos would be stuck with the remaining of any new deal). I don’t understand all of the details, but to me if the Broncos wanted to they could waive Orton and release his contract. How would that work? Would a team have to compense us with a pick or picks if they picked him up off the waiver wire? Questions that I really don’t know and would love to but there doesn’t seem to be anybody around here or at the DP that can explain it.
That could be what Miami offered, but we have no way of knowing for sure.
According to everything I read, If the Broncos didn’t ask for much..then a contract extention wasn’t an issue for Miami. One thing for sure, Orton wasn’t going to accept a bad deal. Not with FA next year.
Yep take the trade or be cut..make NO mistake...Kyle Orton is only about himself this year...he gets FREE rental on our team, and we get absolutely NOTHING from it except a crappy record and another year of not developing a 1st round QB...,
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negative much?
It is really getting old. You used to have something to say. Now it is just the same thing day after day.
Everyone knows how the team will do if Orton starts or if Tebow starts
I hope Quinn wins the starting job just so I can laugh at all of you!
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I would be OK with Quinn starting...but lighten up man...you took the gloves off the other day, right...
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how bout we all call a ceasefire
and join together to say, whoever starts, GO BRONCOS, and still pride ourselves in the fact that the Raiders will always suck
but, but
the guns are loaded. The final charge is all qued up. What do I do with these Tebow mortars? My new Orton TC Missiles just came in….
dammit!!
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maybe after Ben sobers up!
It’s kind of creepy the way he’s enjoying this!
well i apologize
random question…i live in Charlotte, NC and i do not know very many broncos fans here in Panthers territory…anyone on here from charlotte? IM NICK btw
Nick, welcome to MHR. Hope you find some Broncos fans in NC.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Aug 7, 2011 4:38 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep....welcome.
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yea
Welcome. Watch out for the land mines. They are everywhere.
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Its just like a scrimmage 34...we beat the tar out of each other but know we are all passionate Bronco's fans.....its just those guys are jealous because i am always right...hahahaha....only joking......just part of the make up of MHR!
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amen to that
its very hard to explain to people my love for the broncos…i grew up in san diego(chargers ugh) and now live in Charlotte(panthers ugh)…but since i was old enough to wear clothes my dad has had me in Blue and Orange…and who couldnt love the broncos growing up watching Elway win 2 superbowls for us….ill put it this way…Rod Smith or Ed Mccaffery were my idols
Orton did not veto the trade
Orton is due 9M this year. Miami wanted to rework the deal and Orton said “No way unless it’s more that 2 years.” Don’t blame him. The FO in Miami is probably on their way out. Remember the owner tried to hire Jim Harbaugh BEFORE firing the current coach? Why take less money this year and take the risk that you’ll be the odd man out next year, too when there is a staff change. He rides the pine in Denver he makes 9M. Easy decision for Orton.
If you want to be p*ssed off at some one, blame McDaniels for giving him that G**DAMN extension last year.
by AtomicLeo on Aug 6, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Its all about the money 2 Kyle Orton
Manning took a pay cut so the Colts could get under cap thats a leader and a team player and an overall good guy obviously Orton isnt willing to do that. You know who else took a pay cut for the team? My HERO JOHN ELWAY
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I’m sure Orton would take a ‘pay cut’ of $90 million any day.
C’monnn man.
by Matt In Canada on Aug 6, 2011 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
he said he wont
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Isn't it about the money for every player?
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
Nope...this is all on our FO and a little less on Orton....FO gave Kyle options when there should have only been 2...
And, seriously, if the FO is on its way out as you suggest, then they should npt have had a problem signing Orton for more than 2 years.
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EXCELLENT POINT
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the original post not the one above
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Rec'd. I liked the photo on the top.
I wonder if there have ever been Southpaw snapping Centers?
I am surprised that the QB controversy doesn’t get into any level of detail about the O-Line’s ability to protect the different QBs and the WR’s capacity to adjust to the different QB’s passing skills.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
Thanks dude!
Good to see you around these parts again….of course it could just be me not getting into all of the threads like I used too. :)
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I'm glad to be back. Labor disputes in sports cause me to lose all interest, regardless of who the "Bad Guys" are.
I just don’t have time to get into fanposts from unproven/unpolished writers. Since Shanny was let go there has been a lot of animosity within the Bronco Nation, unfortunate to see some of it spill over into MHR. You and the rest of the staff have been doing a good job of dealing cordially with the annoying minority of MHRers that have been uberexciteable.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Aug 6, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
uberexciteable
Perfect word. Thanks and I look forward to utterly dominating you in the keeper league this year. :) lol
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by Baghdad on Aug 6, 2011 11:30 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
If the decision is Brady Quinn starts
I do wonder how well Orton and/or Tebow will take that, accept it, and be the supportive teammate.
by John in Castle Rock on Aug 6, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton will cry Tebow will keep working in practice
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I give this group a C for the unknown. A is ludicrous and B is wishful thinking right now. By mid season we should have clearer picure.
The QB controversy can’t linger on to long. It will be bad mojo in the locker room. One way or another coach Fox has to make a decision after the 2nd preseason game. If it’s Kyle Orton then he get’s the reps and put the Tebow sighting to bed until either Orton get’s hurt or has to many bad outings. If Tebow is picked then Orton probably should be let go so there is no conflict, because Orton even with the money he will get won’t be team player 2nd string imo. Fox has to shout his answer loud and clear as not to have any confusion.
I also gave the group a C. I am a homer but really don't see any of them as above average (yet).
I hope at least one of them will prove me wrong. I have to trust in their competitive nature and the abilities of the coaches to improve the QBs while concurrently implementing their new system.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Aug 6, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Sad thing is the Fans and the Press are going to fuel this fire.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 6, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ive rec'd plenty of Cavey's comments
He’s respectful and doesn’t come here talking smack…well, most of the time. He usually has good insight and makes excellent points, and even gives us props when we make good moves
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Sorry
that was a bit tongue in cheek. I have a lot of respect for Capt. Cavey. He makes a lot of sense and I feel that he sees things a bit clearer than most of us, him being an outsider and all.
That's their job to sell news just like what Paige did night before last with Tebow...
Paige dangled a quote out there not giving the ‘whole’ article to stri the crap. It worked for the better or worse and that’s the kind of crap we have in Denver as a new paper. Lindsay Jones is the only one over there I have respect for the rest are just information for me.
Mostly the press CPT.
I just heard Lombardi say that Tebow had to retract his statement in the Woody Paige article. I listened to the Tebow interview and he didn’t retract anything. He said he was NEVER told by the FO that it was his job to lose. He also said as much as he respects Paige that he must have taken it ouf of context.
He did NOT retract it and on top of that Lombardi said he was absolutely told that he would be starting! I have to wonder what the he// Lombardi has to gain unless he thinks he’s protecting his credibility.
I would think if the FO told Lombardi they just may have told Tebow. I think Lombardi’s still pissed that Bowlen fired McDaniels.
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Aug 6, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I also voted C
Our starter is mediocre and our young gun is still raw. C at best.
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What happened to patience?
Remember we were all up in arms about free agency? EFX was patient and look how it turned out? They added some players alot of us are excited about. At the very least, I feel better about the D than I did last year.
This will all play out over the preseason. If Orton is better, he should be the guy. I am not in the least bit worried about Tebow spending another season learning.
by Horse Head Bookends on Aug 6, 2011 11:42 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I think most Broncos fans have grown inpatient
were not like browns fans or bills fans, who are used to being horrible year in and year out…but i dont honestly ever want to get to the point where it is the “norm” to be a below 500 team
OK...I have asked this question to the ENTIRETY of MHR...PLEASE ONE OF YOU GUYS THAT KEEPS SAYING TEBOW NEEDS ANOTHER YEAR ON BENCH TO DEVELOP......HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DEVELOP A GUY THAT IS SITTING...
Would be fascinated to know…because not ONE of you can give me a plan, or structure, or anything for how to get it done……
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Tebow's had his year imo...Time to GAME ON...
But if he doesn’t start I’ll feel we have brighter minds than myself making those decisions. I just hope they make the best one.
Nope, can't give you the structure of it
There have been many QB’s developed running the second and third team. RB’s, WR’s, LB’s, all positions work their way up to starting. There are rookies that work to the front quicker. Still, to say he can’t develop because he is on the bench is under selling your athlete and frankly would indicate a problem to me. Why the hell can’t he learn anything? Does he know it all already?
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by Sean in Pa. on Aug 6, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, but when his deficiencies are decision making and reads, you dont get that from sitting on the bench...
In ANY athletic undertaking, mileage is the key to steady and prolonged devlopment, not watching.
Also please understand, that only 1 in 4 people learn EFFECTIVELY by watching. Listening to Tebow’s interviews etc, he comes across as a DOER and learning things KINESTHETICALLY…or thru FEELING movements and concepts. So while SITTING an athlete may work for a player who learns VISUALLY and is a WATCHER, it will not work for a player like Tebow whos learning style seems to be that of DOER.
Yet, no-one has been able to tell me any good reasons why Tebow needs to sit…and thats because there are not any.
His whole history of play and development proves this.
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+1 Body.
There’s a reason you won’t get an answer….don’t think there is one
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Aug 6, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Well if you're going to make me
I was typing and my wife distracted me, then I decided to let it go. BUT, I can’t look bad here and not answer ;p
I was a doer. It may surprise some here to know that I am a fairly assertive person. As a young man it took a couple of strong bosses to get me to realize that I could do even better if I learned the fine points and used them to do the job better. So, yeah a player like Tebow, and many before him can come in and play as a rookie. I also think he can learn just fine, or learn to learn with a year on the bench.
The real issue for me here has nothing to do with sitting Tebow for a year. It has to do with using the current vet to provide a baseline to use in evaluating the growth in other areas of the team. Thus we create a better team, thus we have a better situation for Tebow next year. No Luck drama and we have Tebow under contract for four more years. There is time, no reason to be in a hurry with Tebow.
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by Sean in Pa. on Aug 6, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but we want Tebow meow!!!!
NOT LATER!!!! OMG WTF EFX KO SUX ETC ETC…uhm, I’m out of acronyms…lol
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he needs to sit
if he doesn’t give the team the best chance to win…. it is still unclear which QB will give us that. We won’t know until preseason is done, and/or someone is traded.
You may be okay taking losses this year in the hope of some future nirvana, but I’m not. EFX may not be either.
TT will in all likelihood get his shots this regardless of whether he wins the starting job or not. Orton has a history of fragility, and TT has a skill-set well suited for package plays. He’s gonna get some reps, even if he isn’t the best QB on the roster… No need to get so worked up.
IMO if we would've had a full training camp that Fox probably would have started Tebow, but with the lock-out and the lack of time to prepare with a new coach and staff, they went with the vet.
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EFX just looking for a way to let the fanbase and media down gently!
Imo, KO will be announced the starter immediately after the first preseason game. No way they risk injury to Orton by having him play behind 2nd/3rd string offensive lineman. The real battle will be Tebow vs Quinn for backup.
by rocko1 on Aug 6, 2011 11:45 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I pose a question to the knowledgeable talking bobbing heads here at MHR...
If the Broncos were to put Kyle Orton on waivers and a team picked him up off of of it, would the Broncos receive compesation for him? Or would the Broncos have to cut him insted? This to my knowledge has never been addressed.
He is 7 year vet sop does not go to waivers...and I knew that thru JB and KK as it came up with regard to Okoye!
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Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
We have already paid his roster bonus so it would wipe about $8 M (from memory) off the books..
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Since the Broncos paid his roster bonus I think they are on the hook for 4M this season
Orton’s salary for this year is 9M. I think I saw John Clayton mention that since he was paid his roster bonus and still on the roster at the beginning of the league year, they will have to pay 4M at a minimum even if he’s traded or cut. Which is why he will be staying in Denver this year.
by AtomicLeo on Aug 6, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought his salary was 8.8mil including the roster bonus.
If so then the Broncos still owe him 7.3mil after the 1.5 mil bonus.
Not an NFL Cap Expert but.....
Not sure what the exact numbers are, but Broncos owe him part of his salary this year because he was on the roster Day 1 of the league year. So if we dump him, it’ll only save 4-5M.
You could be right actually...I think rodney mentioned something on that...why was I thinking that it was wiped off...so be that as it may....it would wipe $5 M off books...
Thanks leo!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
whoever starts, GO BRONCOS
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Am I the Only That Looks at all the QBs and says "No Thanks"
Tebow vs. Orton? Quinn vs. Orton? Quinn vs. Tebow? How About none of the above?
I want a QB who can make all the NFL throws and open up the entire field. That QB does not exist on the roster today. Both Orton and Tebow have limited skill sets and require specific circumstances to be successful. I don’t want the team ham-strung for the next X years because the QB has to have the offense ‘tailored’ to their needs.
by AtomicLeo on Aug 6, 2011 1:25 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
that will be a good one! maybe the fanbase will pull together for one game! lol
Bears had to cancel their open scrimmage last night. players said the field wasn’t safe. That playing surface at Soldier filed is such a piece of crap. It’s owned by the Chicago Park district.
In other words, even you don't think Kyle will play well enough to silence his critics
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
I like the sound of that let us organize a mob to meet Cutler at the Airport
(Old 120th FW motto) hang em high HUA!
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Typical Bears fan.
DUH bears.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 6, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Man, you're in the minority with both teams, aren't you
Most Bears fans wouldn’t take Orton back over Cutler (I’d take Cutler any day of the week), and most Bronco fans don’t want him here at all. In a way I feel sorry for you. So much allegiance to one mediocre player.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Id say you're in the minority here too
if you’d take Quitler back
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
Come on now!
KO will play just fine. If EFX improves the overall team, then it might be ok. There’s just way too much bickering on MHR. Heck 85% of you all are Tebow guys..so it’s not a lot of fun at times for me.
by rocko1 on Aug 6, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
KO will be OK
I want greatness all Kyle has 2 do is get more mobile and have more energy and will to win instead of just padding his stats I like Kyle hes smart and safe with the ball i just wish he IDK had more 2 him than just that you know what Im saying? KO will do fine this year maybe get us 2 the playoffs with a wild card but I truly think Tim Tebow is the best thing sense sliced bread and I dont even watch college ball those last 3 games were enough 4 me he was well above par for a rookie QB
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Together that spells kook... not good in surfer terminology... just sayin.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Hahahhaa....no not good AT ALL...in surfer terms!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
Urban Dictionary for those non-surfers out there.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Check this one out
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tebow-ner
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
HA!
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Or
they heard what happened in Miami and didn’t want the boo birds coming out for Cutler :D
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
reply fail
to rocko just above
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Aug 6, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Broncos are in a great QB position
Like the choices or not. The only place controversy is taking place is here and in the media. The FO has their plan and they seem to be sticking to it. Yes there was the shopping Orton deal, with no real serious takers. Okay then here is our plan going forward. There are still teams out there with less QB talent than the Broncos, but with smaller cap room this year no one is willing to spend the big bucks on much of anything it seems.
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
by bchiper on Aug 6, 2011 4:26 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
today
went to practice at invesco today. orton looked pretty good as did quinn, tebow struggled with his throws though, he was over throwing and under throwing like crazy.
and i learned today that kyle orton is a asshole lol
From an outsider's perspective, I think you guys would be better off with Orton
I think Tebow is going to need some significant time to learn to play effectively in the NFL. He’s been relying on his physical gifts so far, and it has taken him a long way, but eventually his decision making has to catch up, and I think that’s where Orton wins the battle. All that said, as a SD fan I hope you guys make the wrong choice… Here’s to some good, competitive AFC West games this season; the division’s getting better.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Quarterback
Maybe I’m crazy buy I don’t get how some guys are so fired up about the quarterback. We aren’t going to the superbowl with any of these guys. I can see getting fired up about the running backs and the tight ends because we have improved there. I am excited about our defense. Until somebody hits these qb’s in the mouth we don’t know what any of them are going to do, do we???This is the same drama from last year. yaaaaaaawn
good points
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Why Orton should start (I'm a Tebow fan)
So I’ve had a Tebowner almost since he was drafted. From what I’ve learnt about him and how he played for the Broncos last year, despite his QB shortcomings, the guy is a winner. He inspires his teammates to play their best and he gets his job done.
The stronger running game will help him this year, as there’ll be far less pressure on him to make good passes (the same goes for Orton of course).
Starting Tebow would obviously do a great deal to develop his own game (or show him up as a spud), but playing Orton will be better for the development of the team, which has to take priority at the moment.
The reasons I think that Orton should start are based on the new offense and the new players.
There are two new TEs who could be getting plenty of playing time. Then there’s the loss of Gaffney, which means Decker and Willis may end up with more catches. Add in the new running game and a rookie offensive linesman (not to mention two second year players) and I think the experience and polish of Orton will be a better fit to work them into the team early on.
I am still hopeful that Tebow can develop into a very good QB, but at the moment he is not and I don’t think the team would be best suited with him as starter.
Julian from Australia
forgot to add
ATM, while I would like Tebow to start, I won’t be too disappointed if Orton gets the job.
Julian from Australia

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