Bronco Bytes: An Identity is Forming at Last
Around this time last year, I brought up my concerns about the lack of identity on the defense. I even submitted a poll to find out if I was alone in my concerns and about 55% generally agreed with my sentiment about this issue. In fact, it has been several years since I've felt this defense has had an identity. When Al Wilson's career ended abruptly, the void he left was quite massive. The proof is in how the defensive unit utterly collapsed within just a few years of his retirement.
Today, I finally feel as if the void is beginning to close. The tandem of Von Doom appears to be one that may just wreak havoc upon opposing quarterbacks, in fact, I'd like to start calling them "The Show". Call it a vain attempt to create one of those self fulfilling prophecies - if I believe in it hard enough it will come true. The Rams had The Greatest Show on Turf, Deion Sanders was Primetime and the Steelers still have their Curtain. When Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil take the field, I am going to expect to see not just a good pass rush, but a spectacle. A Show.
One thing is absolutely certain to me, this defense just has a different feel to it. I felt strongly about aborting the 3-4 experiment after witnessing the catastrophe that was last year's effort unfold and I am glad this team has done just that. In fact, I am starting to believe that picking up the Denver Broncos defense/special teams unit may be the best fantasy football draft strategy any of you may make, since sacks and turnovers are worth far more than points and yards given up.
The Orton/Tebow thing can take a back seat now, since this team isn't going to be willed to victories and the playoffs on either of their arms this season, so if this team has any aspirations for the playoffs, it must come from the defense. There are still so many unknowns with this unit, but as I compare the roster from the top down all I see is proven talent. No over the hill has been defensive linemen have been signed. Youth and talent fill out the roster completely on the defensive side of the ball...it's exciting to see on paper.
Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey continue to hold the fort down on the back end, but I expect to see tons of action from all the young guns as well. This defensive unit feels like it could create a lot of turnovers, even if it gives a big play now and then.
Not just that, I just don't see many guys on the first two team units that make me instantly think "scrub". The defensive roster finally has depth. The second unit stopped Kyle Orton cold, twice. They did it without much of a pass rush, which means those youngsters were able to maintain discipline and keep the first team unit out of the end zone all day. That was the most encouraging part of the scrimmage that I learned. The Broncos offensive line gave Orton plenty of time to make a play and the backups playing defense denied him. That is awesome.
Of course, the first team defense got all the internet buzz because of what they did to Tim Tebow, but offensive line depth is a concern and the scrimmage only confirmed that in my mind. We'll find out Thursday if the first team unit has some teeth to it when the pass rush isn't quite there. I suspect it will. There are just too many good players on that side of the ball, which means there will be plenty of fresh bodies on the field late in games.
Still, the linchpin of this defense, is Von Doom. "The Show". The terror those two could potentially create is incredible and I can't wait to see it! On the other side of the field, DJ Williams could also capitalize on that show when offenses try to compensate to cover the Von Doom, maybe even Robert Ayers can get in on the action too.
Most importantly, the defensive tackle position suddenly appears to be stout. Marcus Thomas has finally started to adjust to the pro game, Ty Warren is a proven veteran and The somewhat Big Vick seems to really enjoy batting down passes.
This leads me to my final thought. The Plan. EFX had a plan in place all along and it did not include over drafting on a defensive tackle back in April. Why? Time. How many defensive tackles become impact players in their first season as a professional? The answer is very few. EFX didn't have the time to develop a rookie to start, so they went with a player that would bring an immediate impact to the team. Von Miller. Von Doom. The Show is about to begin...
GO BRONCOS!
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Al Wilson left a void in my Broncos sized heart.
I’m not sure what that means, but I loved Al! I have be longer for a D with an ID.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Aug 8, 2011 10:11 AM MDT reply actions 6 recs
Plus that
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 8, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
When you're in love, sometimes the words come awkwardly.
We understand.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 8, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Joe Mays can fill that void
that is my bold prediction of the year
by VR92 on Aug 8, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the reports I have been reading Nate Irving is looking and playing (practicing) like a pro from the get go...
Irving played against the 1st team offense and held his own from what I’ve heard while Joe Mays’ 1st team defense took on Tebow and Quinn (on a couple of plays). I’m rooting for both and the take I get on Mays is he lacks some vision and decision making, where Irving seems to be aware of the play before it happens. We’ll see this Thursday in Dallas.
Seeing Elvis play with the 2nd Stringers like they were nothin on Saturday
was like X-Mas in August, and seeing Von completely shut down the entire other side, thus, pushing the QB into Elvis looked like an art. Sure hope we can stop the run and stay healthy cause if so we have one scary a** pass rush. Good write up Tim.
Opponents will gameplan around them I would think and it is up to our coaches/MLB&WLB to be aware of the TE/RB coming out of he backfield.
But granted these 2 will have a ball this year if we stay healthy.
This is where Von Miller will struggle
I believe he will be given reads on these adjustments and blow them like any rookie.
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
pessimist?
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No, I just think he needs time
He will make some amazing plays. And he will have some bonehead moments like anyone transitioning to the NFL
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
Fair statement
Hope Von is one of those freaks that just thrive from day 1, he definitely has the tools to do so, but he is a rookie so you can never know. Reports from camp are encouraging though
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by Broncos808 on Aug 8, 2011 3:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he will thrive
But even those freaks make mistakes. Really, I think we are in the same place here trying to temper excitement about the best LB we have drafted since Al WIlson. Yeah, I’m totally going there.
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
Opponents will gameplan around them I would think
Let them! Load Von Doom on one side, and send Ayers and Williams from the other. Or B-Dawk up the middle. Or Champ on a corner blitz. Tim is spot on when he uses the term “linchpin” (though he should have said “lynchpin” ; ) — Von Doom is absolutely the rushing cornerstone we were missing last year.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 8, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
drools
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
Hey Tim,
I appreciate your enthusiasm and I think you may even be right, but I think, like most other things, it’s going to take the defense a little time to gel, to get to know each other. I do love the potential though.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
I agree, but I can't help but be excited about it.
‘sides, I didn’t write 1000 words about Orton/Tebow. :) To me, that is a step in the right direction as well.
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by Tim Lynch on Aug 8, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
One day at a time.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 8, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
amen
and hallelujah
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by broncosmontana on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Love it man
And I completely agree. Gonna be fun to watch!
Although I think we should nickname this D (or just Von & Doom) “ORANGE RUSH”. SOunds like Orange Crush, but skews more towards the pass RUSH!
Or C Orange Rush. :)
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My favorite so far has been the “Legion of Doom.” Von mentioned it himself in a DP article.
by werfjig on Aug 8, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
VonDoomsAyers!
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Legion of Doom
The Legion of Doom is by far the best, most original name I have heard for this D. I have really high hopes for our Defense this year. I think Warren was a solid pick up. Champ is still a pimp. Mays might be my favorite player on the team right now. Moore & Carter look solid. I’m excited to see the depth chart that is coming out in about 15 mins.
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by troycdunn on Aug 8, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it feels too close to the Doomsday Defense.
I hate the Cowboys. lol
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by Tim Lynch on Aug 8, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a comic book fan
I cannot get on this nickname. Just not working for me.
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
I'm thinking Dennis Allen
was a great fit for what we’re looking to do with our defense, and the athleticism of our lb and safety crews.
by Iwasfn47 on Aug 8, 2011 10:21 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
"ATTACKING"! This was Don Martindale's claim last year and the attacking became a fizzle over one player, Dumerville.
Elvis’ untimely injury during last years training camp caught Wink/McD off guard and it showed right away. I will give them a little credit though as they tried to shore up huge leak with Jason Hunter and David Veikune plus the addition of Joe Mays, but the leak continued to fill up the void on defense. Playcalling last year played a big part with our demise as well and I put that on the coaching staff as a whole.
This year the players seem to be more enthusiastic about what’s going and there is less drama going on around Dove Valley, mostly the quiet Perrish Cox ordeal. That hasn’t seemed to hurt the locker room. The Orton/Tebow situation may vibrate louder as preseason get’s underway if Fox/McCoy don’t name a starter, but still, from what I’m hearing the player are eager and excited about the upcoming season…Good things appear to be on the horizon barring any set backs.
Its the return of ORANGE CRUSH
I knew this would happen when we got coach Fox Orange Crush is back and I would not be surprised if we were a top 5 defense this year
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I agree TK and I don't think the team should take on a name that is from a player's name.
They are defense as a UNIT and should be addressed as that, like Tim stated above, “The Show” or “Orange Crush II”.
Von Miller and Doom
………. Quarterback Killas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can hear a chant...
QBK…QBK…QBK…QBK
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by metalman5050 on Aug 8, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
and singing being crying
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Sir Warren Robert Vick Von Doom
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by Zac Man on Aug 8, 2011 10:32 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
thats gotta have a III at the end to tie a bow on it
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Al Wilson
I wish the Broncos could bring Al back in some capacity, even for the coin toss. Do they realize what he meant to the fans? Surely there is a job for him
heard him talk on 104.3
He’s got a sour situation with the Broncos regarding his neck injury and how it all ended. Al’s not the Broncos biggest fan right now.
I don't blame him.
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Who in the bejebus voted no? You know who you are!
You need to be drug out into the street and forced to watch replays of the Chargers blowing it in the playoffs!!!!
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
A Raider/Chiefs/Charger fan most likely. :)
Shakin in their boots.
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cavemen and their ilk
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
I agree.
Who voted no! How can you not be excited! It’s a new season with new coaching. I can not wait to see them on the field.
Fans need to embrace the Defense like the Orange Crush days
Instead of cheering the Defense on Saturday the crowd seem to boo or showed disappointment toward Tebow. I was the only one in my section that stood as Doom “sacked” Tim. The defense was the old mile high. Even when the Browns are on the doorstep to scoring the fans never wavered. They believed the D would make a play and they did when Byner fumbled. Shanahan changed the mindset of a Bronco fan to an offensive only crowd (not a bad thing at the time). Id like to see the defense to take center stage again.
Coaching
Don’t underestimate how much getting a decent defensive coach is going to help, we all saw the vast chasm the defense fell into after Nolan was ostrasized, if we can get a good defensive coach again that alone could improve the defense, not to mention the presence of Dumervil, Miller and Moore who should all be significant contributors.
Lets put the Orange Crush to rest, there was only one of those...
Lets call them the lawer group of Shatter and Crash (Franklin and Bash? lol)
Or the Blue Crash? No more Orange crush, kinda disrespectful to call anyone the orange crush anymore. Lets let them make their own legacy.
It would be disrespectful if another team used "orange crush"
We could use orange crush, but i’m kinda with you. I would like to see a new name. Vondoom is good, but we need a name for the WHOLE defense! “the show” “bluecrush” “bluecrash” “mountainmonsters” “broncbashers”
I say Orange Crush
Pitt doesn’t seam to think they need to pick a new name every 10 years.
We started a tradition called the Orange Crush, and should stick with it. Just because we haven’t lived up to it lately doesn’t matter. It should stand as the goal that every Bronco Defense every year is to strive to exceed, not just match, but to be BETTER than!
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by metalman5050 on Aug 8, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I honest think it would be honorable...
To think that this defense could be as great as the original orange crush would sleek highly of the original orange crush. But only use it if this current defense becomes that great.
by broncs27 on Aug 8, 2011 12:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to take the cream out of your tweenkie, but....
….I am not taking much from our 1st string defense running over what I think may be the worst backup O-line in the league (not really based on anything but my opinion). We will learn more in the coming weeks but I am excited.
Not really buying the reason why we didn’t draft a DT though. Everybody keeps saying that we are building for the future and by your own words you say it takes time to develop a DT…..so when do we start?
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Maybe the worst backups
But the defense did what they should do. 2nd stringers should have no chance against 1st stringers and they did not.
In all reality though, I don’t think we have the worst 2nd string offensive line. Not sure who actually does, but our depth is about what you would want.
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
Agreed it would be much more scary..
…if our 2nd string O-line owned the 1st string pass rush.
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Nope...our depth is garbage...we have the worst 3rd string in the NFL...JUST HAPPENS TO BE OUR 2ND STRING.
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Yup..
…I bet most teams have a few 1st/2nd year guys learning the ropes, backing-up and just waiting their turn. Our back-ups are a bunch of cast offs. We’re starting our 1st/2nd year guys. Here’s hoping for the waiver wire.
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I'm guessing that our second string O last year would have been able to score at will on our first string D.
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by DE_BroncoFan on Aug 8, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll tell you why they didn't draft a DT (Darius) in the first round, because Darius isn't the playmaker Von Miller is.
Even in developing stages Miller will make more plays than Darius would. EFX stated they wanted Nick Fairley really bad (playmaker at Auburn). but they weren’t willing to make a play like the Falcons did for Julius Jones. Should they have? It might be tempting, but not very logical as we aren’t in the playoff hunt like the Falcons are. Fox wants to build this team from the draft, that’s what he said and it will take time to get all the pieces they need to be competitive on a high level. They weren’t even going to trade 3-4 picks for Wilkerson or Taylor for that matter addressing OT/S/LB and that’s 3 positions filled instead of one. I feel the FO made some pretty good moves in their first draft and it gave us a glimpse of what might expect in the future.
Again, we haven’t even started pre-season yet and each team will waive/cut at least 29 of their players before it’s all over and there will be a crop to chose from with us being #2, so relax, enjoy “THE SHOW” and let the braintrust do their thing to make us feel proud.
I love drafting Von. I wasn't comparing him to Darius....
……just our neglect of ever drafting DTs in the earlier rounds.
I can’t relax! Man, I wish I could.
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That drafting mentality may change with the next draft, but I won't hold my breath it they don't. At least early.
Now if we were in a position to get a Suh type player then I would think they would jump all over him. They don’t come around very often. But the biggest thing I see is that most (not all) DTs take time to develop into their roles as playmakers and that might be one reason why our FO hasn’t or won’t go there. I would be very cautious in mock drafting a DT unless the pick was an absolute can’t miss guy.
Paea – Injury concern
Austin – Character concerns
Jenkins – last guy in the draft (IMO) who couldve made an immediate impact on our D. Just got picked up after we traded back in the 2nd round.
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For the first time in years I'm more excited to watch our defense that I am to watch our offense.
If the defense can be disciplined while creating chaos they could be a top 10 defense this season. I really hope our running game can eat the clock and keep our
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by Robb Yeager on Aug 8, 2011 10:53 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Keep our defense rested and time of possession in our favor. if these things happen we can go deep.
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by Robb Yeager on Aug 8, 2011 10:54 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I was pretty excited when McD hired DC Mike Nolan, because it told me one thing, the defense was coming back.
I believe if McD would have left Nolan alone he could have built a pretty strong defense. McD wasn’t ready in his young NFL career as a head coach to be undermind by a senior figure wh actually knows what he’s doing on defense. Sad.
True, Nolan was too short-lived in Denver...
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by Robb Yeager on Aug 8, 2011 12:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
We still need an Atwater type to round out the defense
The last few years opposing WRs have crossed over the middle with impunity.
I hope this is Rahim Moore
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
More likely to be Carter if either. I am excited about Moore and what he brings to the table. On youtube, Carter brings the lumber.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
Can it be both?
Please?
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
Cool with me!
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
I would love to have an Atwater type player at safety but there are two reasons that is not going to happen.
First, Atwater is one of the all-time greats and they just don’t come along that often. He belongs in the hall of fame. Very few players have had his combination of hitting ability and coverage ability.
Second, the league has basically legislated that type of player out of existence. The big-hitting safety is a dying breed. Atwater’s hits would draw 15 yard penalties, first downs and huge fines in today’s game. When Bob Sanders and Polamalu and Dawkins are gone, you aren’t going to see many big hitting safeties replace them. Teams are going to adapt to the rules and realize that since the safeties are no longer allowed to jack receivers up, they need to be better at coverage than at hitting.
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by GrizBronc on Aug 8, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, hard to find an Atwater and I understand his type is no longer in vogue . . .
But Moore or Bruton might fit the bill at least a bit. We need to punish those crossing receivers. Make them short arm balls thrown at them, hesitate, look around, drop the ball, go to ground, etc. A hard hitting safety would fit in our new defensive style better than a finesse coverage guy.
by Schwerepunkt on Aug 8, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Quinton Carter
Give this kid a little time to get acclimated to the NFL . He is a big hitter and just makes plays. He was one of my favorites at OU he will make receivers think twice about coming into his area of coverage .
by ultraclassic04 on Aug 8, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
did you see the new "launching" rule?
A player is not allowed to leave the ground with both feet to make a tackle. Couple that with the defenseless receiver rule and the era of bone-crushing SS’s is all but over.
Ding Dong the lockout's dead
by DE_BroncoFan on Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
You can still hit pretty dang hard
Drive through the player head and arms up and get him to the ground, HARD. Atwater’s best hits did not require him flying through the air.
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
by Arimaris on Aug 8, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct
When he laid out Ookoye it was shoulder to shoulder.
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
And both had their feet on the ground.
And then, all of Okoye was on the ground.
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You both made me so happy
Bringing back that memory. Ok, it came back earlier too, but still. My god what a HIT.
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
Ah, you're no fun . . .
the game does evolve. Maybe I’m too old.
by Schwerepunkt on Aug 8, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Timing is everything in the NFL and the defender still has a right to the ball just as much as the receiver...
The point is that players can’t launch themselves into a receiver that is defenseless. One example is Hines Ward hit on the Cincy player who got his jaw broke. He hit the guy from the side with the player being unbeknownst of his presence. I like that rule. Players lauching themselves into player will get somebody hurt and nobody wants that either. Players like Harrison and others will have to learn how to ‘tackle’ within the rules and it’s not a bad thing, there will be big hits that are legal. No to worry. I do like the incidental contact of the quarterbacks helmet as I’ve always thought that was cheesy on the ref’s part. The players will get used to the new rules and in a coule of years the rules will be blips that we as fans won’t even be less excited about…It’s still tackle football, just the assault with intent to maim part of it has been taken out.
Totally agree
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yeah good point
I was a little mad about the new rules but honestly someone can get seriously hurt by a launching player. That isn’t how players are told to tackle anyway, it just happens when you are running full speed.
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by BroncoJoe311 on Aug 8, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
The other reason is scheme complexity
So much of DEF is disguising the coverages, etc. As such, having one SS and one FS limits the flexibility of the scheme unless both safeties can do either job.
While many teams will still bring a safety down into the box, the ones that are most effective at this are teams like Pitt where Polamalu is fast enough to get back into a cover-2, even when showing “box” and/or blitz…. the decline in Pitt’s defensive effectiveness when Troy was hurt last year show’s just how critical this “disguise” element is.
As such, I care much less about a safety’s hitting ability than I do about their coverage skills, athleticism and speed. Moore, Carter and McBath (and to a lessor extent Bruton) all fit this form, so I’m excited going foward. Dawk is limited in that role these days, but brings enough other qualities that I’ll take that trade-off.
by cjfarls on Aug 8, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I share your optimism Zappa
I think our pass rush will be unbelievable but are we going to be able to stop the run? That is the question………
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i likes this :)
I like The Show, too.
But Von Doom — that’s freaking METAL. lol
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by broncosmontana on Aug 8, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Should be cool to watch.
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Legion of Doom
I read an article and Von Miller came up with this name for the D, I think its awesome!!!!!
Don't forget Bunkley in the middle..he's a beast !!!
I’m more excited about him than Warren. That dude is straight up strong…not fast or even real quick (though he is probably much quicker than Jwall was) but he will anchor the middle of the line. I think the biggest weakness from the last 2 years was not having someone shut down the middle and force RB’s to bounce. Speed won’t help if people can get 5 up the gut which happened all to frequently.
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by asinsoin on Aug 8, 2011 11:39 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
agree
I have lots of manlove for Bunkley’s game… his interior presence made the crazy zone-blitzes and Trent Cole much better.
His injury scares me though… otherwise I just can’t figure out why the Iggles would let him go.
Im pretty sure they let go of Bunkley because they signed Cullen Jenkins…
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by Broncos808 on Aug 8, 2011 2:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
which has to be injury
because I think Bunkley is a better player than Jenkins (and he’s younger)…. plus, you need more than 1 DT… I find it very hard to believe Bunkley was the worst DT on the Iggles roster.
I dont think they thought he was the worst DT
the NFL isn’t Madden.. roster math after Jenkins signing made him expendable.
Bunkley a better player than Jenkins???? That’s a wild claim IMO..
Bunkley may be better value, I can definitely agree with that statement, but Jenkins is much better up to this point
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Still trying to figure out whay the Eagles wanted to trade him...
Bunkley is a significant upgrade over Bannan in my opinion and that’s a good thing because I liked Bannan’s play too…
I agree Tim..I'm much more excited about the changes to our defense than anything on the offensive side of the ball
The QB bickering makes me want to puke honestly. I feel bad for our WR, Oline, and RBs for having to be caught in the middle of it.
Bring back the Crush baby! Let’s dominate some people!
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This will be one of the biggest turnarounds on D in NFL history
With Ty Warren, Bunkley, Marcus Thomas and Vick at DT, and Joe Mays right behind them, the run D will be excellent. And passing on us will be real hard also, vith Von and Elvis and the rest creating a great pass rush. And Champ back there to catch the ball.
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by Robb Yeager on Aug 8, 2011 12:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
All I ask for.....
is no more blowouts by division rivals. Every division game should be close, hard fought and down to the wire. When we were out of it by the 3rd quarter…… it stunk. Big hits are nice…… but keep us in the game is more important.
by baselinedenver on Aug 8, 2011 12:18 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Nothing takes the heart out of you like a blow out loss.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 8, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
at home. to the raiders.
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Please, not that.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 8, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Outstanding post, rec'd
Thank you sir!!
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No, thank you!
You’re the reason it exists as that comment you made a few days ago brought me back from the dark side and inspired me to get away from the QB mayhem. ;-)
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Plans get broken and busted and you need to audible… which is what we did.
I get so tired of hearing how “the plan” was so spectacular and brilliant – the implication being that it was all according to plan (like when you discuss us not drafting a DT… according to plan). It’s crap. We didn’t draft a DT because Von Miller was a bigger difference maker to OUR team than Dareus. We didn’t draft Fairley because he got drafted a handful of spots ahead of where we were willing to move in to take him. Liguit and the other kids were gone by the 2nd round. And for some reason, EFX dimply didn’t like Austin and Paea as much as we all did.
We never PLANNED to not draft a DT. It just happened. Our management drafed positoins of need in each of seven rounds, but never had a DT within ‘reach’ at any pick that they deemed worthy. That is all. Not brilliance. Coincidence.
OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!
You missed my point.
The plan was to draft players who would make immediate impacts. I’m sorry that idea didn’t come through in the article…
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Your point came through and I agree with it
Like you, I’m optimistic about the idea that we’ve finally found an identity.
I often have a habit of singling out the parts I don’t agree with, rather than the ones that I do. I guess this whole ‘they had a plan’ notion has become my own personal Moby Dick… It just frustrates me :)
OK, so Brian and The Johns really did very well at the Defensive Tackle position, especially considering the limited cash budget they likely had to work with. I no longer hear laughter from opposing RBs in my nightmares!!!
I had a plan once too...then I screwed it up. :)
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Be careful......
don’t over project your fantasies. I expect them to be improved, not al workd. Why? It takes the D at least a half season to gel and for the rookies to get in sync. The vets will help, yes, but they still are learning the moves each have,
Temper the enthusiams a bit, but you can be grateful for the improvement…..
And I don’t give a crap about FANTASY FOOTBALL,…..
I love fantasy football, and I write the articles...so... :P
I will say this though. A top 20 defense will be cause for jubilation from this Broncos fan. I didn’t say that in the article, but that is the reality of how horrible this multi-year defensive issue is. Top 20….and I will celebrate and upgrade my expectations going into 2012. lol
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;-) In case people take it the wrong way….
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I like the positivism posted here...
and I see it all coming together very quickly.
Fortunately the Defensive line isn’t quite like the O-Line. They line up all over the place! They shift and stunt and do all the stuff that the OL would be penalized for.
IMO, the DL takes a whole lot less time to “jell” then the OL
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I am optimistic
But I will wait and see, word has been that this unit has struggled all camp with defending the run. The Cowboys game should be a good indication of how well we can defend the run this year, if we can be good or at least above average, then I know this defense should be excellent in defending the pass, but if we can’t stop the run, then it really doesn’t matter regarding our pass defense.
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considering last year we couldn't do either
it’s good to see we’re getting better somewhere. I’m looking forward to the Cowboys game as well, but we probably won’t see our true character emerge until the Raiders come to town. I hope it’s worth the wait!
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by broncosmontana on Aug 8, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm very excited about this defense.
The broncos finally have DTs that are worth something. You talk about Al Wilson leaving, but Trevor Pryce left a big hole on the d-line. I feel now that EFX finally filled that presence with Bunkley/Warren/Vickerson. The biggest steal was Bunkley. His just entering his prime—only 27 years old— and his a run stuffer. It also seems like he just getting his pass rush going. I can’t wait to see that guy in action.
Another guy I’m excited about is Moore. We talk about Tebow and his drive to be better. Moore has that same drive. From what I’ve seen/read his been around Dawkins and Bailey since the first day of camp. His always in their ear getting all the advice he can get. The broncos got themselves a steal in the second round. I wouldn’t be surprised if Moore had the same impact as Miller is going to have on the defense. His going to be something special—even Bailey recognizes that.
One more thing to add on is that the running game will help the defense as well. It’ll keep the broncos defense fresh and that’ll benefit Dawkins/Bailey/Warren.
To piggyback off your Moore comment
His best skill of ball hawking is going to be maximized by all the heat VonDooom will be bringing. A rushed QB will be playing into Moore’s hands. His attitude is contagious too. How lucky is he to be picking Dawks and Champs brains?
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
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If you like “The Show” for Von Doom, then you probably want to call Bailey Dawkins Moore The Tell, as in Tell ‘em No, so you could call the defense Show and Tell. I can hear the chants now: Show ’em, Tell ’em, Take ’em to School. Ok, I’m kidding. I think its still early for a name for the defense. Besides, I’m an old Orange Crush fan.
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 PM MDT reply actions
Great stuff
If by the end of the season they are getting good play out of Rahim Moore and one of Mays or Irving, they will be set-up extremely well for the future.
Hit on a DT and DB in the draft and this defense could be really scary
I am with you on everything except for the name the Show
Let me put it this way. The Steelers defense is known as The Steel Curtain even though it is decades since the original Steel Curtain played. I think we should bow to tradition and if the new defense proves as effective as we hope it will be, they should be called the Orange Crush. Just my opinion.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Aug 8, 2011 8:10 PM MDT reply actions
+1
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)
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This is why I'm pretty confident we go at least 8-8...
Barring injuries (please give us a break this year) this D could be in the top half of the league this year, rather than last place.
I can’t wait to see them in action!
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11)
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