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Make or Break for '09 Draft

Rookies are generally given a three-year grace period to produce, mature and prove that they can be considered viable NFL players. Of course, there are always going to be outliers like Adrian Peterson and Sam Bradford who walk in on day-one and look like they've been playing in the League for years.

Unfortunately, during Josh McDaniels' disastrous two-year stint in Denver, none of his draft picks were comparable to Peterson or Bradford. Regardless of what McDaniels did right or wrong (emphasis on wrong), this is inevitably the year where judgements will be levied on the draft class of '09.

The players taken in McDaniels' first draft were as follows: Knowshon Moreno (12 overall), Robert Ayers (18), Alphonso Smith (37), Darcel McBath (48), Richard Quinn (64), David Bruton (114), Seth Olsen (132), Kenny McKinley (141), Tom Brandstater (174) and Blake Schlueter (225).

This is going to be rough...

Knowshon Moreno and Robert Ayers are the two most scrutinized of the bunch, as all first-rounders are and should be.

They have both had injury issues in both of their professional seasons, and they each have problems exclusive to them. Moreno has fumbled seven times in his career (losing six of them), has only scored 12 rushing touchdowns and doesn't have the breakaway speed preferred in a starting back. This is evident by his career long rush of 47 yards. Luckily, fumbling can be cured (see Tiki Barber), speed can be worked on and the change in philosophy from McDaniels' pass-happy offense to John Fox's ground and pound scheme should increase statistical production. And from all accounts from local Denver media, Moreno has slimmed down by 15 lbs. and seems more serious about football, specifically by running sprints on the side by himself during drills he is not involved in. His current grade probably stands at around a C+ because he has shown potential but has yet to prove anything.

The 2011 football season will define Knowshon Moreno's career and will either eliminate or perpetuate the "Bust" label that has occasionally been used to describe him.

Robert Ayers is an interesting case, specifically because of the move from defensive end in a traditional 4-3 to an outside linebacker in a 3-4 back to DE this year. As a linebacker in his first two years, Ayers struggled with pass coverage and with quarterback pressure. He has shown proficiency in tackling as well as containing run plays by not allowing them to stretch past him and along the sideline. Being switched back to his natural position (and possibly back to number 91, which he wore in college) should be just what Ayers needs to show the extent of what he can do at the pro level. It is doubtful that quarterback pressure will be a strong point for him, regardless of where he lines up, but that is part of the reason EFX (Elway, Fox and Xanders) drafted Von Miller out of Texas A&M. There is an argument here that since Ayers is moving back to defensive end he should be given another year before being fully evaluated.While that is a reasonable point, if he can't seem to pull it together at his natural position, the Broncosmight as well replace him with Miller and work on the linebacking corps.

At this point, Ayers deserves a C- and, like Moreno, needs to put together a solid year or he will be doomed to live in the immense, busted shadow of Jarvis Moss.

Although it might be an unfair judgement, Alphonso Smith gets an F for his time in Denver, and his future evaluation will likely be conducted by Detroit's media and fans.

Darcel McBath and David Bruton can be evaluated together. They have both been injury prone (that seems to be the theme of 2009's rookie Broncos), they have both been no more than special teams players and neither have lived up to expectations. It seemed they were set to eventually replace an aging Ronaldo Hill and Brian Dawkinsbut both veterans held the pups off the past two years, Hill has since been released and the 2011 draft class brought in another pair of safeties, including likely starter Rahim Moore. If nothing changes with McBath or Bruton, they will either be perpetual special teams players or waived. McBath gets a C- with Bruton getting a C, edging McBath because he has had more game experience.

Richard Quinn has somehow kept a spot on the roster, even with the revolving door at tight end being more evident than ever this year with the drafting of two tight ends and signings of several more. It seems that Quinn would be better suited as an athletic tackle or as a purely blocking tight end only used in short yardage situations. It will be interesting to see how he is utilized in Fox's offense, or if he will even make the final roster. As with everyone else, this is a make or break year for his career. Quinn receives a C- due to his lack of presence on the team.

An evaluation of Kenny McKinley would be incomplete and unethical due to his untimely and unfortunate suicide. He showed promise as a sure-handed and speedy wide receiver but an injury, financial issues and apparent depression caused a downward spiral that led to his death.

As for Seth Olsen, Tom Brandstater and Blake Schlueter, their times spent in Denver were short and unnoticeable. Their grades would be incomplete and better served being conducted by their respective teams.

Hopefully, the appraisals of subsequent draft classes don't leave Broncos fans as downtrodden as this one did. But from the view of someone looking through the prism of optimism, "it can't get much worse," "there's nowhere to go but up" and (fill-in with other nonsensical cliches of your choice).

Poll
Which player drafted in '09 has had the best career to this point?
Knowshon Moreno
116 votes
Robert Ayers
35 votes
Alphonso Smith (Det)
22 votes
Darcel McBath
2 votes
Richard Quinn
4 votes
David Bruton
6 votes

185 votes | Poll has closed

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Very good points...

Unless something ends up changing this year, the 09 draft class might go down as one of the worst in recent memory.

by swg777 on Aug 8, 2011 11:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Good post

It should be noted not all draft picks are either great or busts, most fall in between. Moreno is at that point, he’s had solid seasons, but not great. If he stays on that same level next season, about 900 yards, 4 YPC, he won’t be a bust, he’ll just be a solid pick, not great not terrible.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 8, 2011 12:17 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

True but 12

is pretty high and he should be more productive based on draft postion. You’re right, he’s not a bust but currently not playing at a 12 level.

Who knows, maybe he’ll have a break out year under a real HC that deploys a run heavy system. Let’s hope that the M&M connection can take the pressure off of Orton and provide necessary balance to the offense.

Although, to tell you the truth, I’m not thrilled with the Willis pickup. I was really hoping that the FO was going to bring in either McClain or Snelling.

by KoloradoKaos on Aug 8, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

What is “12 level”?
Is it Ryan Clady, drated at 12 the year before, or Ryan Mathews, drafted at 12 the year after? Moreno isn’t the reason this is a bad draft class. It’s a bad draft class because they had 2 first rounders and 3 second rounders and only come up with 2 average starters and no real stars.

by asdqqq on Aug 8, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ugg

True

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson

by Calikula on Aug 8, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ugg

Of course I understand that Moreno is not the reason that the ‘09 draft class should be categorized as bad. It’ was bad top to bottom and everyone knows that but the discussion was on Moreno and his production which has been underwhelming for such an early pick.

As I stated, I’m hoping that his production will increase under a real HC that will deploys a run heavy offense. That is if the young and shallow O-line is capable of supporting a run heavy scheme.

by KoloradoKaos on Aug 9, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

You won't get much out of this crowd

but good post and good points. I really don’t care that it’s in the past or that the 2011 season is upon us. We always have time to look and learn from the past.

The kicker of the ’09 draft is how many talented defensive players came out of that draft and could have been had by Josh McDaniels and applied to a team that was in need of so may defenders.

And please don’t bother saying ‘so&so was a 3-4 guy or a 4-3 guy", Josh McDaniels made it clean that he didn’t know what he was doing when he drafted Ayers at 18 to play in a 3-4.

A few players that Josh McDaniels passed up just the first two rounds of ’09. Feel free to add to the list because it is lengthy and painful.

Brian Orakpo
B.J.Raji
Brian Cushing
Josh Freeman
Peria Jerry
Clay Matthews
Percy Harvin
Clay Matthews
Hakeem Nicks
Kenny Britt
Hood, Evander
Laurinaitis, James
Maualuga, Rey
Brace, Ron
Moala, Fili

by KoloradoKaos on Aug 8, 2011 12:33 PM MDT reply actions  

he didnt pass up Raji he was drafted before our pick

Courage is not the absence of fear. It is acting in spite of it.

by nw3030 on Aug 8, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure he did

don’t you remember…… Josh McDaniels and his hero Bill Belicheck are the master draft manipulators? Josh McDaniles could have done what ever he wanted and drafted whom ever he wanted.

Moving up to 9 from 12 would have been childs play to a drafting savant such as Josh McDaniels.

by KoloradoKaos on Aug 8, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holy crap..

That’s a new low in scrutinizing decisions with the help of hindsight.

So now he passed up Raji because he didn’t move up 4 spots to get him? I like your logic….i do….i just need some more time to understand it.

If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.

by Kgrone on Aug 8, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Forget Raji. You are making a silly and unnecessary argument. Many many Bronco fans (myself included) would have spirited to the table to draft Orakpo instead of Moreno. In his short career, Orkapo has been much better than Raji.

Clay Matthews of Ayers is the other no-brainer, but if we’d take Orakpo, we wouldn’t have taken Ayers. Harvin would have been good or Lauinatis maybe Jerry (whom has been an injury prone disappointment in Atlanta).

McBath was a bad pick, but Rich Quinn was far worse. No need to trade up for a TE with no receiving skills.

The Phonz trade was the worst trade in Bronco history. That shame stands alone.

"Well at least we picked a good year to suck" said Pat Bowlen after countersigning Von Miller's rookie contract.

by McGeorge on Aug 8, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

@McGeorge

McBath was not a bad pick. Clay over Ayers… anyday. WR not a position of need at the time so Harvin would have been a bad pick. Orakpo would have been a smart pick

Quinn was one of his worst

Phonz was one of the worst in the history of the draft when you consider what was traded away, the player himself, and the fact that he was given up on after one season in which he barely played.

McD should have traded down from 12 instead of forcing Knowshon. He said himself that his scouts were not prepared. So if anything… trade back and get more picks. or trade ’09 picks for ’10 picks.

McD defied logic with almost every move he made. So any mistakes were compounded since he should have known better.

by Triz06 on Aug 8, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

You don’t take Clay or Ayers if you took Orakpo at 12.

If I were the GM, my draft would have been Orakpo at 12 and Perry at 18. No way you have Elvis, Orakpo and Matthews on the same team. That kind of draft strategy makes no sense.

Agree on McD. He was a draft idiot. There are thousands of arm chair QBs across this great nation that have a better feel for the NFL draft than him. Sad to say but true. Lots of MHR used to tell me to leave the job up to the professionals, but when it came to the NFL draft, McD wasn’t a professional. He was a kid in a candy store with lots of daddy’s money.

McBath was a bit of a reach, but you are mostly right. His bust is a bit of a surprise. He should have been better, but sometimes you just miss. McGlass is a miss.

"Well at least we picked a good year to suck" said Pat Bowlen after countersigning Von Miller's rookie contract.

by McGeorge on Aug 8, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was impressed with McBath after 09

But last year left a lot to be desired, and he’s to be as good as gone now

by boanst on Aug 8, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is it just me, or was '09 a really weak draft year

With the exception of a few studs (Matthews, Raji (who was already gone), Freeman), every other player here has been mediocre, inconsistent, or potentially more trouble than they were worth… kinda like the guys we drafted in the 1st. This post actually makes me think McX’s talent evaluation wasn’t that horrible…

There are very few guys here that have performed like a 1st rounder should, and our 1st rounders when healthy have not really been that far off the mark… e.g. Orakpo is better than Ayers… but he was also drafted earlier. Watching him a lot here in DC, he’s roughly equal to Moreno (with admittedly, probably greater upside). None of the dlineman or LBs here are much more than mediocre (or have off-field issues that offset to some extent their onfield efforts, e.g. Cushing/Maluaga)… about where we hope Ayers could be.

I guess that highlights how poor a decision the Phons move was… we traded into a draft we were ill prepared for, sacrificing both a higher pick and overall quality. Uuugh.

by cjfarls on Aug 8, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Most scouts said the 2009 draft was a weak one heading into the draft. They also said the 2010 draft looked like it would be a dandy.

That McD traded into the weak draft he was unprepared for and out of a 2010 draft is proof he had no faintly idea what he was doing as a GM. None.

"Well at least we picked a good year to suck" said Pat Bowlen after countersigning Von Miller's rookie contract.

by McGeorge on Aug 8, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree mcgeorge....

Yeah that is it right there…. 09 was weak and everyone but mcd was saying it.

by Triz06 on Aug 8, 2011 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

You have strong writing skills, good flow and great structure. You need to be more active at MHR.

+1 for you.

"Well at least we picked a good year to suck" said Pat Bowlen after countersigning Von Miller's rookie contract.

by McGeorge on Aug 8, 2011 1:58 PM MDT reply actions  

“Preciate it.” This was a good opportunity to get out of my lockout hibernation.

by Stebbyfan92 on Aug 8, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dont see how people voted that Alphonso or Ayers have had better careers thus far than Moreno.

alphonso fell into a couple of lucky picks in Detroit and Ayers has only been a run stopper on the worst run defense in the league. At least Moreno is decent after 1st contact all behind a bad o-line.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Aug 8, 2011 3:19 PM MDT reply actions  

I can't vote for anyone

Reading this made me realize that McD must be living in his own private hell right now. Talk about a fall. Whoa. When he looks back, there’s no way he could maintain any ego-protection mechanisms. Failure after failure after failure after failure.

I bet he can’t get it up at all anymore.

Regarding this:

I dont see how people voted that Alphonso or Ayers have had better careers thus far than Moreno.

I think fans are disappointed with his success (or lack thereof) given his draft position and what might have been.

Sure, the offensive line sucked last season. But what about his rookie year, when he was given every opportunity to beat out Correll Buckhalter and couldn’t? I’ve said it before and I know I’ll say it again: Moreno sucks.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 8, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which is why a voted Albusto. To me Moreno is just an average rotational back

by Bronco$ on Aug 8, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto for me, but I still hope that Moreno will find that "extra gear"

It just seems like there is untapped potential, maybe a new offensive scheme will make a big difference. If not, it will be time to get another RB in the first 3 rounds of the 2012 draft.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Aug 9, 2011 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

If that, even.

The dude can’t play.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 9, 2011 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow McD sucked at drafting

It made me depressed to see the whole picture painted. Injury seems to be a common theme among McD’s picks (Moreno, Ayers, Mckinley, McBath, Bruton, Willis, Thomas), as well as drafting high and selling low (Phonz). At least they were “versatile” and had “high character” (Cox)

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson

by Calikula on Aug 8, 2011 6:43 PM MDT reply actions  

All the McD bashing is just wrong

People need to renember two important things about McD:
1. He didn’t hire himself – So either Bowlen is a complete idiot, or there is sonething to McD that was worth investigating.
2. He was a ROOKIE head coach!!!! Apparently rookie players are given 3 seasins to prove themselves, but coaches don’t

Some other things to remember:
Belichek sucked with cleveland his first coaching gig
It took more than two seasons to see results with belichek in NE
McD was brought in late in 2009

I wasn’t a fan of the McD hire, I wanted Spags, and i didnt like the 2009 draft for lots of reasons, but I also dont think anyone here could have done a better job and the whole unnecessary mocking of the man just makes me think less of MHR. I have a feeling that St. Louis is going to be scary this year or next and McD will be a big reason for that

by gOOn on Aug 8, 2011 9:36 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Hmm... I agree....

Because you never said McDaniels was a GOOD drafter, or a smart team manager. He was a rookie, unprepared, and rolled the dice too often with high risk, high reward players – which hasn’t panned out with any of them yet, not even Tebow.

This is the year that the 09 class will receive the mark of approval or not. And next year will give us a pretty good indication of his 2010 draft class (besides the QB). Which reminds me that I think this year is too early to call out Brandstater too. QB’s take a LOT more time to evaluate than other positions.

I don’t like the bashing of McDaniels. Did he make a lot of risky, impatient, and generally UNwise decisions. Yes he did. Do we need to make him look like an ***hole because of it? Not in my opinion. But everyone is different. Some people feel like McDaniels hasn’t gotten his due for what he did to the Broncos yet (even though his reputation, among other things, took a serious hit from the record he left here, both in wins, and in the personnel department). Let’s just leave it in the past.

"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes

"Excellence can be obtained; if you care more than others think is wise…risk more than others think is safe…dream more than others think is practical…expect more than others think is possible." - Anonymous Author

by Alexander Wall on Aug 9, 2011 4:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

But he was an A-hole.

His condescension. His stubbornness. The way he treated the media. His braggadocio. The guy was a complete prick.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 9, 2011 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

McD wasn’t half as bad as many here paint him. He made a couple horrible decisions (Phons trade, Hillis trade), but otherwise to me did more right than wrong.

That said, he had to go. While I think Spygate2 was a bunch of overhyped hullabaloo, between it and some bad injury/early season luck last year meant that the team was in a major downward spiral. The fans had turned on the team, the players weren’t responding… he was done here in Denver, even though I think he has potential to be a good coach going forward, and left Denver in a better position talent wise than it was when he came in.

Bringing in Elway to get back the fans, and Fox as a steady hand at the coaching position was the exact correct move…. I’m unconvinced Fox is a great coach, but he’s what the team needs/needed.

by cjfarls on Aug 9, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

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