MHR Poll of the Week for September 11, 2011: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
by Topher Doll on Sep 11, 2011 12:00 PM MDT
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PrintOkay, well tomorrow is the first game for the Broncos 2011 season, and I personally can't wait to smash the Raiders on Monday Night Football! Well moving on from that, last week's poll asked what squad was the strongest going into 2011, and the results were similar to what you felt in 2010. While two weeks ago was pretty controversial, last weeks was a bit more unified, at least in the comments section. Let's take a look at what you had to say about this question.
I voted QB
as much as I think Orton isnt the answer, we are the only team in the league that features 3 QB’s that have started and won games in the NFL. People seem to forget that. Either of our two backups would be better starters than any QB on the Miami, SF, and Seattle rosters IMO.
That said, WR was a close second.
northdixie
LBs
Von Miller is this years version of Suh. DJ can return to his more natural role and will be more productive. We have a great swing backup at MLB in Nate Irving. I don’t especially like Mays but he should improve with PT. I’ve always thought Woody is an underrated contributor to our team and despite his not ideal size makes an impact. Haggan is great for depth and Mikey Mo looks like a solid guy for depth as well.
Still would of liked to see us sign Barrett Rudd.
Zac Man
Coaches
This might sound bad but I’m not impressed with any part of our team yet, but I think the coaching has put people in a better position to make plays. John Fox is super cool but I also think Dennis Allen is going to turn this defense around. Go Broncos
Baghdad
There have been specific upgrades at every position except the Corner back position with the return of Champ Bailey and Andre Goodman.
All the other positions have been upgraded from 2010 and will continue to grow into their own roles as the season wears on. The best upgrade began in February with the coaching staff. As is well known most new head coaches who are brought in bring a whole new coaching staff with them, but that wasn’t the case in John Fox. He kept holdovers from Josh McDaniels’ regime and it looks like a sound move. Being familiar with OC Mike McCoy might have been a defining factor of him returning, but keeping the primary playbook together may play a crucial part in how well the Broncos offense does this year. Keeping DLine coach Wayne Nunnely on board is another testament of sound head coaching as Wayne always does a decent job at training him DL. How the Denver Broncos enter the season prepared will be integral to how their seasons plays out.
The coaching is the greatest upgrade of 2011 hands down.
bfree2bronc
| Answer: | Votes | Percentage |
|---|---|---|
| Quarterbacks | 76 | 6% |
| Running Backs | 19 | 2% |
| Offensive Lineman | 58 | 5% |
| Wide Receivers | 472 | 40% |
| Tight Ends | 14 | 1% |
| Defensive Lineman | 75 | 6% |
| Linebackers | 239 | 20% |
| Defensive Backs | 104 | 9% |
| Special Teams | 13 | 1% |
| Coaching | 100 | 9% |
| Total: | 1170 | 100% |
This wasn't the huge sweep that happened in 2010, where wide receivers took a huge chunk of the votes, but it still won easily. Linebackers saw the biggest growth, from among the worst to 2nd overall, while defensive backs fell. Quarterbacks and offensive line stayed the same, as did coaching. Special teams, tight end and running back all stayed about the same, and were fairly low on the list. The most surprising thing to me was how low was running back was considering the improvements that were made.
This week will talk about something that we all have opinions on, the record we will have at the end of the season. This is where the metal, or rubber if you use modern tires, meets the road, lets hear what you think the Broncos final record will be. Once you've done that, let's hold ourselves accountable at the end of the year, when I might be forced to dig this article up.
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I think We lose one divisional game
And go undefeated throughout the rest. ( =
I guess I should say ‘hope’, but I think it too. Any Every given Sunday, with this team!
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 11, 2011 12:28 PM MDT reply actions
I'm already on record @ 9-7
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 12:36 PM MDT reply actions
I always vote 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
This team will surprise a lot of people especially in the media this year. Most have taken for granted the record the broncos put on the plate last year and use it as nameplate of the future without ever doing any research. As we witness today the Buffalo Bills are dismantling the Kansas City Chiefs with the same team we held with our 1st team defense to 3 points trhough 3 qtrs…The writing is on the wall and plain for people to see if they would just open their eyes…
6-10
I just dont see how we can avoid injuries that wont hurt us as we only have backups at W/R and QB. I think every other position is too weak at the backups to survive.
I concur.
The first team offense is solid, but lacks depth everywhere except WR. The defense is improved, but lacks depth everywhere except DE. The schedule is very tough. Six wins would be a substantial improvement.
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
Yep...we will get injuries o both lines, which will kill us. Just want ALL the young guys to play, play tough and keep close...
All i want is a season similar to Green Bays 2008 season, where, apart from one blow out loss to NO, they lost 7 games by a total of 24 points and finished 6-10. They learnt, played hard, and went with a young core thru the draft, supplemented by SMART veteran pick ups:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Green_Bay_Packers_season
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
6-10
I think we’ll generally look competent, but I think quick short passing games and screens and the running game will kill our defense. And as long as Orton is qb, I don’t see us competing well in pressure-filled games.
How do you like Cutler today?
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Same as I did yesterday...never did like him and when Green Bay and the Lions bust him up, I'll like him even more...
Err ah, hate him…
he hated McD, told him to F off and took a bad team to the NFC championship...
and started this season out MONEY… just sayin
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
it just happened. yo.
Like to remind the haters
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Time to get over it already… Cutler was two head coaches ago. The only person who’s left whose fault it might partially be is Bowlen, and what are you going to do about that?
remind all the sh!t talkers every few months or so.
Shanny looked good today too.
OK?
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Believe me I've had to here how wrong I was far more often than I'll ever mention it.
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I still see plenty of Cutler bashing here. Every time he has a bad game, (or even a bad play if your on MHR during the games) there are people here who heap ridicule and derision upon him. Obviously he is not forgotten then, but no one ever tells them to get over it then. Yet when he does well, and anyone points that out, people say it’s time to get over it. Which is it? Get over him or not?
By the way, some of those same people who hate Cutler and bash him repeatedly, tell people to “Get over it” it when anyone criticizes McDaniels. Yet Cutler has been gone far longer then McDaniels, and has done infinitely less to damage the Broncos then McDaniels did. Why the double standard??
Cutler asked to be traded. He bailed on the team.
It is unforgivable and Cutler deserves the hate he gets. You don’t bail on your teammates. He can win every superbowl for 50 years and I will still hate him for that. He didn’t respect you or I, the fan and deserves nothing but disdain.
McD did what he did out of stupidity and incompetance. Cutler did what he did out of arrogance and selfishness.
Life's too short for bad tone!
by Teleman on Sep 11, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
I take it you hate Orton just as much,
since he also wanted to be traded from the Broncos this year. Ironic, since Orton was the QB that we traded Cutler for. By your definition then we just swapped one traitor for another.
However, I think you’re engaging in some revisionist history. Cutler was assured by both the organization and McDaniels that he was their Quarterback. However McDaniels lied. Behind Cutlers back, we was trying to arrange a trade to get rid of Cutler and acquire Cassel. (Thank the good lord that trade never came to fruition btw) Upon finding out that he was being deceived by his head coach, Cutler did throw a fit. Yes, he was immature, and I’m not defending his petulance. However the head coach was also immature and petulant, and that kind of petty, stubborn, child like behavior is less excusable in a head coach. In fact, I would suggest that McDaniels was being arrogant and selfish. In any case, one could ask who betrayed who first. I’m sure Cutler felt betrayed when he learned through leaks that his coach was lying to him and trying to trade him behind his back.
I think Kyle and his agent were reading the writing on the wall...
I guess somebody came along and erased it.
That could well be, but since his coach was actively trying to trade him, you could also argue that Cutler and his agent were also reading the writing on the wall. I’m just pointing out that the situation was complicated, and demonizing Cutler and suggesting he deserves hatred is way way waaaaay over simplistic.
waaay
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it was more like McD telling Cutler that he wasn't going to put up with his moppy attitude...
by bfree2bronc on Sep 11, 2011 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Vs McD’s arrogant, nasty and lying attitude.
It’s too bad a D-bag like McD had to trade a D-bag like Cutler. Wish we’d have had a real GM and real coach during the McD fiasco vs two rotten children like Josh and Jay.
No waiver claims on a team with roster spots for Ramirez, Hochstein, Clark, Ball, McBean, Unrein, and Chris Harris? Was Xanders not watching our preseason games? Was he not watching any other team's preseason games?
by McGeorge on Sep 12, 2011 5:41 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cutler
refused to speak to anyone in the organization and demanded to be traded.
Orton said he would rather be traded than be a backup and allowed/asked the team to listen to offers.
BIG Difference.
I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Sep 12, 2011 5:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just saying.....skills wise, Cutler is elite and Orton average....dont compare the two as equals...
Orton was the throw in to a deal, Cutler was the jewel. We had the chance to get some good value for Orton (I would have taken a 3rd or 4th and been stoked on that) but the FO botched it. Lets move on. Cutler doing well, Kyle is still being Kyle….a solid, average QB.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I believe it is you who are engaing in revisionist history.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/28/cutler-upset-over-potential-deals-to-detroit-tampa-bay/
Per Adam Schefter, who has always been spot on with his reporting, McD never engaged the talks. Denver was approached and mangement listened, but had no intention of trading Cutler. Cutler wasn’t decieved by anyone. He thought hewas untouchable and got his feelings hurt. He then went on to disrespect the city of Denver and it’s fans by saying it was a “6” when it cme to being fans.
McD deserves critisism for many things, but Cutler and his massive ego was at the root cause of this one. As I said, one is incompetant the other is arrogant and selfish and history has bared that out..
Life's too short for bad tone!
by Teleman on Sep 11, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Adam Schefter only repeats the early claim by the Broncos that other teams approached them first. He himself makes NO assertion as to weather or not the claim is true. During the McDaniels era, the Broncos were hardly icons of forthrightness and honesty.
Indeed, the story that the Broncos spun during the Cutler saga changed rather quickly, as the following articles indicate: http://otr.blastmagazine.com/2009/02/28/broncos-considered-trading-cutler-for-cassel/
ESPN had this story somewhat later: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805
In that story, McDaniels himself says that stopped actively trying to trade Cutler only AFTER the deal for cassel fell through. It also points out that Cutler lost confidence in McDaniels after he had denied trying to arrange a deal for cassel, only to admit it later.
totally disagree. McD DID try to shop Cutler and he DID lie about it at first.
And that we found out later wasn’t the only lie!
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Why did Detroit and Tampa Bay say they approached Denver and the trade was refused?
Oh, I see…they were involved in the massive coverup as well. Sorry but you boy is a crybaby with far to big of an ego to deserve anything but scorn and ridicule. Good QB but a worthless pile as far as a human being goes.
Life's too short for bad tone!
now you know him personally?
McD admitted shopping him !!
You know who I wonder about? Brave folks who attack people on a personal level, over the internet …that they’ve never met.
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
And Detroit and Tampa admitted to approaching Denver first.
Sorry the way he treated the fans who had his back make him a worthless pile of Garbage in my book.
Life's too short for bad tone!
It should also be noted that McDaniels changed his tune, and admitted that he actively sought to trade for Cassel only after the Patriots vigorously disputed the assertion that they approached the Broncos regarding a trade. McDaniels was caught in a lie. Cutler is open to criticism for the tantrum he threw, but there is no doubt as to where the dispute originated.
I also can’t help but wonder if Whidbey Bronco isn’t on to something. Regardless of your thoughts on Cutler, he isn’t an idiot. Perhaps he just saw that catastrophe that was coach McDaniels before most of the rest of us did, and wisely decided not to ride the doomed ship headed for the iceberg.
by BroncoMarc on Sep 11, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks buddy, I was backed into a corner and about to draw!
That said… Can’t wait to watch Cutler’s career unfold as planned right after we beat his ass here in a few weeks!!
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
The ESPN article I linked earlier is very concise, and I highly suggest it. It dispels any illusions that McDaniels was not actively trying to trade for Cassel, and that he lied about it to Cutler.
Of course, some people will cling to hatred for Cutler, and be determined to discount mere facts that might show things in a different light. For the fanatics, it’s as simple as: Cutler = pure evil, McDaniels = an innocent paragon of truth and integrity. But open minded people will usually acknowledge that the situation was far more complicated than that.
Oh, hyperbole and strawman arguments.
Once again you engage in revisionist history. And so soon. Let me remind you of my words: “McD deserves critisism for many thing”. Now compare them to yours “McDaniels = an innocent paragon of truth and integrity.” Hmmmm, seems like someone is exagerating. Or is it throwing a tantrum? Either way, you still have done nothing but show that you are only capable of seeing your twisted view. You acuse others of discounting mere facts when you discount that the ownership of Tampa Bay and the General Manager of Detroit both stated they approached Denver first. Either you are stating that they are involved in a massive coverup with a failed coach or maybe, just maybe It happenned closer to what Schefter reported.
It is still history and can’t be undone. Truth actually probably lies somewhere in the middle. I hate McD for what he did to this franchise but Cutler had the fan’s support and didn’t give one single tinker’s damn about them. It is still unforgivable and I can’t see how a Bronco fan can see it any other way.
Life's too short for bad tone!
Did you even read the ESPN article I linked? It’s clear that McDaniels initiated the talks to trade for Cassel, and subsequently lied about it. That is not disputable.
You’re the one asserting the Cutler deserved hatred. Not me. Hate is a strong word. I have pointed out repeatedly that Cutler deserves criticism on many levels. But I think you’re the one that is extreme in saying he deserves hatred. I’ll reserve my hatred for terrorist, child molesters, and their ilk thank you. Immature quarterbacks who have poor social skills might be in line for criticism, but deserving of HATE? Seriously? And you accuse me of engaging in hyperbole and throwing tantrums? Good lord, the irony.
You are reading things into that article that are not there.
“McDaniels admitted that the team got involved in trade discussions for Cassel, who instead was dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs. However, he said any perception Cutler felt that the team could still trade him was misleading.” Notice it does not say Denver innitiated these talks. Here are Jay Cutler’s words in the article.
“I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco,” Cutler said. "We weren’t in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I’m concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn’t sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he’ll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.
You are taking only Cutler’s words and claiming them as fact. Again, Detroit and Tampa Bay admitted initiating talks for Cutler. OOOOOPS I guess it’s EXTREAMLEY DISPUTABLE.
Life's too short for bad tone!
by Teleman on Sep 11, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
As to the piece on the Schefter blog, as I pointed out, he only reports what the Broncos initially claimed. He himself makes no effort to confirm or deny what the Broncos claimed. If you read later articles, (like the ones I linked) you’ll find that the Broncos quickly dropped that claim and acknowledged that they did indeed make inquires regarding the possibility of acquiring Cassel.
See the above post. The article you link is aJay Cutler Interview from a skewed perspective.
It just does not hold water. As I said before the truth probably lies in the middle, but Cutler still crapped on all the fans and deserves all he gets from the Bronco Fans who feel the same way I do.
Life's too short for bad tone!
Nice to see a different, if old QB debate
I see it this way. McD was in way over his head and did a lot of ignorant things. I don’t think he knew any better. I could give my (glass half full) version of how things happened at the beginning of the McD fiasco but for now suffice it to say nothing went well for two years.
Cutler was a little baby and acted like one. I don’t care what promises were made to him. My bosses have made lots of “promises” over the years. I have also acted like a little baby when lied to. For the money he gets paid I would think he could buy a little forgetfulness. How stupid is demanding a trade because your team tried to trade you???
Cutler throws too many INT’s for me and I don’t miss him at all. Cutler = Rivers… Nuff said!
I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!
It wasn’t management that listened, it was just Josh. The Bucs and Vikings were smart to call McD directly since Josh was so easy to manipulate.
No waiver claims on a team with roster spots for Ramirez, Hochstein, Clark, Ball, McBean, Unrein, and Chris Harris? Was Xanders not watching our preseason games? Was he not watching any other team's preseason games?
bullshit! He gave up on a POS coach!!!
The whole team gave up on him, it just took Cutler less time to figure it out!!!
Why play for that guy?!!
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Because he signed a contract and was given the oppurtunity of a lifetime by the owner.
He was contractually obligated to. He also disrespected you and every other Denver Bronco Fan in the process. It just didn’t take me as long as you to figure it out.
Life's too short for bad tone!
I was disrespected by McD. I don't blame Cutler!!
Ask Garrard about
contractually obligated!!
Miss me with this nonsense.
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
McD said you were not a good fan? Wait, that was Cutler. He was comparing you to Bears fans.
Cutler wasn’t cut he bailed. He agreed to a contract and then ran out on it. He did the same thing to his teammates in the NFC Championship and his fiance. Seems to be a pattern with him.
Life's too short for bad tone!
Whid
You are giving Cutler a lot of credit for clarity of thought. I think he has proven he is not that sharp. Maybe he was just lucky ;)
Cutler says he was promised he wouldn’t be traded but then his own quote from the SI article say McD refused to say he would not be traded. Which is it? Your own example of Garrard proves this. No player has a guarantee like that.
I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!
He looked pretty good and McD looks very stupid (per his usual). Even Bill Simmons put McD on blast this weekend.
What is done is done though and Cutler is too inconsistent to make it happen all year.
NFC North is going to roll the AFC West this year. I’d be happy with 2-2 in those games, but we will be big time underdogs vs Lions, Pack and Bears.
Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.
so he has to win the Superbowl or just get there? Cuz only two QBs can do that each year right? He went to the Championship game after half the folks here said he couldn't/wouldn't win a play-off game!
Cutler is too inconsistent to make it happen all year.
we’ll see.
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
He played well....as he gets older he will stop being such a whiny pants and lead better...never been a doubt about his skills....only his mental game. Looked good today....
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
K.C. spanked...S.D. losing...Raiders to be DESTROYED!
Haley’s finger permanently damaged from wagging it in front of someone who cared…he couldn’t find anyone! We are gong to lead the West after tomorrow.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
haha wouldn't that be something
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Haley is going to be exposed this year like McD was in 2010. KC got really lucky last year with injuries and an easy schedule. Not so this year. This is looking like a more normal season where injuries do happen and the schedule doesn’t give you so many breaks. A quick look at KCs schedule and they’ll be 0-3 before we blink. Cassel is a dink and dunk passer and teams have figured him out like they have Orton in the red zone.
I say this a lot. Orton > Cassel. All day and twice on Sunday.
Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.
Hmmm...same thoughts for me McGeorge. Let's hope it doesn't morph into getting Luck next year.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 11, 2011 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
KC I mean.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 11, 2011 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
11-5
Denver
SD
KC
OAK
Everything back to normal, although I can not seem to find where my 5th loss comes from. So this is my low estimate, 12-4 sounds fine to!
Wont happen. Though 9-7 may win division. In division games will be important.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
7-9 and I have to say, it was weird watching games today not worrying about NFC vs AFC and what not because I have no expectations it will matter for Denver since we won’t be a playoff team.
This is going to be a weird year of watching football.
I very much enjoyed the KC loss and San Diego looks like their usual 10-6 with early playoff exit self.
Guess Colt McCoy isn’t a franchise QB just yet.
I was impressed with Newton and Peterson. 2011 draft looks good at the top. Love to see Von go crazy this year and post 12+ sacks.
Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.
yeah it's different from a rebuilding perspective, huh?
I’m hoping Von and our CBs health will make me forget Peterson… he did miss some plays today but looks to be damn good.
Our record could vary dramatically and our season still be a success… strange year
Still should be fun… I ENJOYED WATCHING THE NFL TODAY!!
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Peterson was drafted to be a CB, not punt returner. He needs to make sure teams don’t throw for 422 yards ever week on his squad.
No waiver claims on a team with roster spots for Ramirez, Hochstein, Clark, Ball, McBean, Unrein, and Chris Harris? Was Xanders not watching our preseason games? Was he not watching any other team's preseason games?
Actually, Peterson played pretty well I thought....I watched the whole game and he was solid.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Newton played great, and CAR gave us some clues as how we could play Tebow in the future....
Tebow does not have Cam’s arm, but it is plenty strong. I was very interested in how they used Cam’s mobility (much like Tebow was used last year in the HOU game) to let Smith etc get separation for the BIGGER chunk plays. Seems everyone on here gets caught up in “we need a pocket passer” but CAR yesterday showed how you can use a guy’s natural strengths to make him a play maker, set him for success and yet still get him solid development. Great game plan for Newton by their OC to be honest.
I was impressed and gives me hope that Denver can so something similar with Tebow.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I predict 6-10
I think the Broncos have made substantial strides in rebuilding this year. They appear to have actually drafted well (for once), and now have competent coaching.
However, our schedule this year is much MUCH tougher than last years. Last year, the AFC West was matched up against a weakened AFC South, and an utterly putrid NFC West. That fact that Denver only managed four wins against that relatively benign schedule last year is an indication of just how low our team had fallen. This year, we have the misfortune of being matched up against what are arguably the two toughest divisions in football – the NFC North and the AFC east. Ouch. That is why while I think our record will not improve significantly, even though the team is better than last year.
I think you overrate the AFC East, but the NFC North looks brutal. And next year we will face the equally tough NFC South. KC took advantage of the 2010 easy scheduling year. We didn’t.
But now KC fans will have to deal with the disappointment of regression where we won’t have to.
Xanders, call Seattle.. Brady Quinn and our 5th rounder for Seattle's 2012 2nd rounder (moves to a 1st if Quinn gets them to the playoffs). Time for some revenge for the Phonz trade.
Well, our predictions are pretty close. I’m just trying to find that seventh win in what is just a brutal schedule this year. But hey, I’d rather your prediction turn out to be accurate than mine.
We could easily go 4-2 vs the sorry AFC West. We will win a few of the games vs crappy teams like Miami, Buffalo, Minnesota, Cincy and Tenn.
No waiver claims on a team with roster spots for Ramirez, Hochstein, Clark, Ball, McBean, Unrein, and Chris Harris? Was Xanders not watching our preseason games? Was he not watching any other team's preseason games?
Nice call Marc....I am going to capitalize this...DENVER IS REBUILDING....and thats OK, but dont get into the Kool AId...
We should be looking at improvements in fundamentals and scheme, and not worrying about win/loss records. Let young guys play and grow and next year we will compete for WC/ Division.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
6-10
Defensive pressure and creating a few more turnovers will enable us to win a couple of more games.
The offense under Orton will continue to underwhelm.
We need another good off-season of drafting well and a few key free agents and we’ll be back in the playoffs next year.
11-5!
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
I voted 10-6
But it’s very possible that it’s far worse. We’re not very deep, and we weren’t last year either, something I blame Shanny for, not McD. Last year we got killed by injuries (Doom, Clady, Harris, Goodman) to some of our most important players. That was a bit unlucky. While it’s possible they repeat, some injuries are a bit more random in nature and are not likely too. Assuming health along the offensive line, plus improvement from last year’s rookies, and health to VonDoom, this team will be markedly better in the trenches. We have a nice passing attack, and a decent secondary. If we can control the line of scrimmage on both sides, the team should be very strong. Assuming health to most of our key players, I’d consider anything less than 8-8 a disappointment, and see no reason we shouldn’t be able to win 10 games. If we’re healthy and go 6-10, I’ll call for Fox to be replaced.
I think there's too much koolaid here
we looked much improved thus far, but remember we were one of the worst team’s last year, so improvement doesn’t guarantee success. The thing is, we still have some weaknesses, the OL is not a finished product (a lot of youngsters), the run D is still shaky, and the O has shown some flaws as well.
I say 6-10, but we will be able to hang our hats on a lot of close losses. I expect to see some improvement but overall we still are pretty weak at some positions and lack experience as others, too much to overcome for a winning season. Again, I still expect to come away from this season impressed and excited for the future
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
WAY too much Kool AId...you guys may be sorely disappointed if you are looking at records only.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Did anybody see the defenseless WR calls today? Horrible!!!
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 11, 2011 10:24 PM MDT reply actions
The Chiefs got their hat handed to them...
The Cowboys continue to find ways to lose as with the Vikings, the Steeler got an old fashion butt whupping in Baltimore and Pete Carroll is of course, Pete Carroll…
by bfree2bronc on Sep 11, 2011 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Three or four calls stood out to me
The bad thing about watching Redzone is I am having trouble with what happened in which game :/
They are trying to get players to start wrapping up again and get away from the highlight reel hits. All the calls were spear like hits or car crash type with no effort to tackle, just hit hard. I am in favor of the adjustment, I like to see hard play but not injuries.
I can't help it, I'm excited! Go Broncos!
8-8
I think anything less than 7-9 puts the organization in a rough place as they’ve gone with the “win now” mentality by starting Orton (not a bad choice, in my opinion, just full of difficult caveats). If they hit eight wins I think this season has to be seen as successful (coming off of last year). Anything over eight is through the roof.
" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.
I think they need to go 10-6 at least by starting Orton if you are to believe the "Orton is our future" crowd...
BUT……Doc Smith over at IOFM brought up a great thing. AT THE MOMENT, the system that Denver is using fits Orton the best, but it is a system that is very easy to adapt to the player, which means once Tebow comes in, it will equally fit him, and may also help the running game more.
Its a fascinating article, and really helped me see the light with regards to the whole QB/ Offensive system question.
Go check it out here:
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part-2#comments
Basically, my feelings are they are starting Orton while Tebow ferments, and once he is ready (either later this season or next) he will be the long term starter. BUT, should Orton tear it up, they may have a chance at play offs. They are hedging their bets, but the flexibility of the offensive system helps them do that. I hope McCoy has the creative chops to pull it off, as the system is very similar to McD’s, and like McD or hate him, he was a great offensive mind.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
9-7, 4-2 in the division
They say the cool is all over me..
10-6....it's been in my signature, and will stay there :)
It’s GAMEDAY!! Go BRONCOS!!!
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11) Official projection 10-6 (9-6-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
8-8
Slightly better (10-6?) if relatively healthy, slightly worse (6-10) if afflicted by injuries (due to lack of depth).
Big play, but relatively porous DEF will mean we win some we shouldn’t, but also lose some we should win.
Right with you...
I think we’ll take some lumps, but should show improvement.
" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.
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