Is Denver any better than they were last year? (a Season Preview)
Are they better?
Let’s cut to the chase. We’ve been essentially waiting for this season to start since around 3:00 pm Mountain on October 24th of last year. That was mid-way through the second quarter of the Raiders’ visit to Mile High last season. Oakland was up 38-0. In our house. And we looked like I would imagine the Detroit Lions usually look to their fans. The season was over. Officially.
The question you should be asking (rather than the ones you shouldn’t – like: Tebow or Orton?) is simple: Are the Denver Broncos better today than they were on October 24th of 2010 (Black Sunday?).
It’s easiest to look at the units and players and coaches and compare them with their 2010 counterparts and find out who is better on paper, but we won’t truly know until October of this year what this team can or can’t do.
So, let’s look at the “on paper” comparison and go from there.
Defense:
Denver has moved back to a 4-3 on base downs. Probably a smart move considering that they were not effective in a 3-4, nor did they have the defensive line talent for the alignment. Keep in mind that Denver will still spend at least 60% of their time in other alignments (3-4, 5-2, Nickel, Dime). But a 4-3 seems better suited to Denver’s talent. It also seems more suited to correct their biggest defensive weakness form 2010, the running defense. With another large down lineman, Denver should have, at very least, clogged up the middle of the line of scrimmage just by employing a 4-3 versus a 3-4.
Denver also added two pro bowl pass rushers. Elvis Dumervil from IR and Von Miller from A&M. I’m willing to say that as of today, Denver has one of the NFL’s 5 best (maybe better) pass rushing tandems. In base, Robert Ayers will lineup opposite Doom. On obvious passing downs though, Ayers will move inside and Miller will play with his hand in the dirt as a the DE.
Denver added much needed youth at Safety in Rahim Moore, who will play centerfield behind the slower, but still intense and intelligent Brian Dawkins.
The linebackers are a question mark. Especially considering that Von Miller is more of a pass-rusher or rush-end than he is a true outside linebacker. Denver’s linebackers are basically a combination of Miller, DJ Williams (injured for a few weeks), Joe Mays (never gone in to a season as a starter) and Wes Woodyard (also never gone into a season as the planned on starter).
Let’s compare:
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DE |
Bannan |
Dumervil |
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DE |
Vickerson |
Ayers |
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DE |
Hunter |
Miller |
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DT |
J. Williams |
Bunkley |
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DT |
Fields |
Vickerson |
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DT |
Thomas |
Thomas |
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LB |
Ayers |
Miller |
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LB |
Mays |
Mays |
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LB |
Williams |
Williams |
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LB |
Haggan |
Woodyard |
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CB |
Bailey |
Bailey |
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CB |
Goodman |
Goodman |
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CB |
Cox |
Vaughn |
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S |
Dawkins |
Dawkins |
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S |
Hill |
Moore |
Offense:
I don’t want to stir the pot, so I won’t get into the QB thing because it hasn’t changed, and more importantly, only one QB earned the right to start in the NFL this preseason.
On the O-Line, Denver added Orlando Franklin and lost Ryan Harris. Otherwise, it’s the same unit that looked lost in the running game, when there was one, and seemed to hold up relatively well in the passing game although two rookies were starting and the premiere talent (Clady) was coming off of a scary knee injury. The biggest news here is the addition of one of the NFL’s pre-eminent offensive line coaches in Dave Magazu. The returns will certainly not be immediate, but the line should improve with time and repetition in the running game.
Schematically, Denver will run more, and when they do, I fully expect Willis McGahee and Knowshon Moreno share the duties. McGahee is a professional when it comes to tough yards. Denver hasn’t had a talent like that for since the Mike Anderson days. It remains to be seen if one of the backs will carry more of the load or not, but Fox and Magazu are known for going with the hot hand if they can.
At WR, Denver looks only slightly different however. Going into 2010, Brandon Lloyd was the biggest question mark. Going into 2011, he’s the leader of this unit and coming off of a Pro Bowl. Eddie Royal and Eric Decker will play opposite Lloyd and it will be interesting to see which of those two players gets more snaps in the slot. Demaryius Thomas is the forgotten man this season. This oft-injured first round pick (by McDaniels) should be available to the Broncos by early to mid-October. If he can recapture the physicality and speed he showed only in glimpses (like vs. Seattle in 2010), he may end up seeing more snaps at the Y receiver position than any other WR.
The TEs have been completely reshaped. Gone are Quinn, Gronkowski, and Dan Graham. In are Julius Thomas, Daniel Fells, and Virgil Green. It seems as though Denver has upgraded and in a much more sound position at TE, but we’ll have to wait and see how this offense utilizes Tight Ends, which historically has been a knock against John Fox’s teams’ offenses.
Let’s look at the comparisons:
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QB |
Orton |
Orton |
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QB |
Tebow/Quinn |
Tebow/Quinn |
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RB |
Moreno |
Moreno |
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RB |
Buckhalter |
McGahee |
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FB |
Larsen |
Larsen |
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OT |
Clady |
Clady |
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OT |
Harris |
Franklin |
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OG |
Beadles |
Beadles |
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OG |
Kuper |
Kuper |
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C |
Walton |
Walkton |
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OL |
Hochstein |
Hills |
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WR |
Lloyd |
Lloyd |
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WR |
Gaffney |
Royal |
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WR |
Royal |
Decker |
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WR |
Thomas |
Thomas |
Special Teams:
Mostly the same. But Denver’s draft should have added talent to kick coverage units.
The Results:
I think that every single position on defense (DE’s, DT’s, LB’s, CB’s, S’s) is improved. Some more than others. The DE and S positions are most improved. The LB position is slightly better. The DT position, although shaky, does have more talent today than it did a year ago and Ty Warren is still on the roster (I expect him to hit IR is Denver can find a good DT within the next few weeks). The CB position is stronger, as Vaughn has improved markedly and Goodman is healthy.
On offense, I think Denver is slightly improved. The addition of McGahee and Fells and Thomas are the difference to me.
The Question marks:
DT, LB, OL.
Offensively, teams will attack Denver’s defense by running up the middle and off tackle. Teams will try to pull Denver’s passrush upfield and take advantage of the space they leave behind them. Denver is very susceptible to screens in the flats.
But Denver’s scheme is better and if Denver can get their opponent into a situation where they can bring their Nickel defense onto the field, Denver will see success. Denver may have one of the best Nickel defenses in the NFL. With a D-Line of Miller, Ayers, Vickerson, and Dumervil with Woodyard, Williams, and Dawkins in the box, and protected by Moore, Vaughn, Goodman, and Bailey, Denver should be able to handle most teams’ WRs and OL while distracting or reaching the QB.
Defensively, teams will attack Denver’s passing offense by using their best rusher versus Franklin or twisting with stunts. On rushing downs, Denver has yet to prove that it can dominate the line of scrimmage, but I do expect Denver’s offensive line to improve into a top 15 unit by season’s end.
Denver has a very good passing game. If Orton gets time (he will get more in 2011 than last year as there is a realistic threat of a run now), he is a very dangerous passer. Denver’s goal should be a reasonable 4.0 ypc and a healthy Kyle Orton. I expect Lloyd to have less catches and yards, but still have a great year.
Season scenarios:
So, what’s it all mean?
Wins: Realistically, 6 to 8 wins – barring extended injury to Bailey, Miller, Dumervil, Orton, Clady.
Outlier scenarios: It’s possible that Denver gets the injury bug and loses a few early games. If that happens, they could be looking at a 4 or 5 win season. If Denver is looking at 2-6 or worse after 8 games, I would expect Tebow and Quinn to get long looks. Additionally, if Denver can win its first 3 games (a possibility – OAK, CIN, @Ten) and close strongly (win 3 to 4 of the last 5: @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC), there’s a very slight chance that Denver could notch as many as 9 or 10 wins and potentially sneak into the playoffs. The outlier scenarios are both rare cases though.
Last Line: Denver’s Defense can’t be worse than it was last year. Denver’s offense is above average when it throws and slightly below average when it runs. If they can bring that running game up to average or better, which I believe they will, they will be a much improved team this year. With a more seasoned and less emotional coaching staff, I expect the Broncos to impress and compete, but ultimately fall short of the postseason. Denver should be in a good position to improve themselves with another draft and round of FAs in the spring of 2012 and challenge San Diego for the AFC West.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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TE's are gonna be huge and if you listen to Orton and everyone talk I think they knew what was missing but flat out didnt have the personnel.
Also this is not Fox offense its Mccoys and hes taken the passing elements of MCD’s offense and will mesh with the running elements of what he used to do in Carolina. The TE will play a huge part because our basic passing attack opens up opportunities for the TE and RB to make plays as the defense adjusts .
We are better I expect a great game from us tonight .
It is a better team
The offense is pretty much a wash from last year. Yes, there have been changes from last year, but no major upgrades or downgrades.
The defense this year should be significantly better though. The pass rush is without a doubt upgraded (which should help out other areas of the defense), and John Fox is a defensive minded coach who will make sure that the defense plays well and is not put into bad positions (his philosophy is built around ball control and field position).
I think just the upgraded pass rush combined with Fox at the helm should be enough to move the defense into the 10-15 rank range. Personally I think with the better defense and the weaknesses of the other teams in the division, the Broncos have a great chance to steal an AFC West title this season.
I am PUMPED that...
We play Oakland today.
3 reasons.
(1) Revenge for last yr
(2) This game will be a phenomenal measuring stick for our defense. Oakland’s strength was last year’s weakness and is this year’s percieved weakness, At least we aren’t playing a team w/ no running game this week, just to get all excited about our run defense and then be blindsigthed by a 250 yard ground atatck next week (not that the Bengals could do that, but CJ could – wk3).
(3) The Raiders haven’t won a prime time game since they nearly ruined my Christmas in 2006. Joey Porter was BEAST that day. Remember Rod’s like 90 yard TD catch? I sure do.
by super7 on Sep 12, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm excited...
but I dont think we are drastically better than last year. Then again, we didn’t play to our potential last year… so that alone should get us more than 4 wins.
Fox and the TE
It’s actually a common misconception that Panthers didn’t utilize the TE while he was the HC. During his 9 years in Charlotte, 16% of the receptions went to TEs. For comparison, the Broncos gave 21% of their catches to TEs during that same time frame. If you leave out the last two years, the Broncos were pretty consistent with ~23% of their catches going to TEs. The league average for this span was 19.4%. In 2009, 24% of the Panthers receptions went to TEs, while in 03 and 06 only 11% went to TEs. In three years under Fox (02, 07 and 09), the Panthers threw one third of their passing TDs to TEs.
Bottom line is that the Panthers used their TEs under Fox much more than is commonly believed because they only had one household name play TE for them during that time frame (Wesley Walls at the end of his career).
The Broncos will use the TE much more this year than they did in the past two years. If he has a good receiving TE (or two), Orton will use him. In 2008 while with the Bears, Orton completed 95 passes to his two TEs (Clark and Olsen – not accounting for the one game Rex G started)
Ding Dong the lockout's dead
The TE is a quarterbacks best friend after the OLine...
He not only blocks for him, but catches passes in a pinch to save a play that might go bad…
Good summary
But I feel you are a little off with this statement:
Especially considering that Von Miller is more of a pass-rusher or rush-end than he is a true outside linebacker.
Miller has the speed and skill set to play great in coverage and against the run. He is the quintisential Linebacker. I feel his ability to get to the QB has overshadowed the rest of his game. I really do feel we got a once in a generation player with Miller and I am glad we picked him over Dareius.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
I agree CH74, but Von Miller has to distinquish his developmental skills over his physicality, because there is so much more to pass coverage/run stopping than just being able to pass rush...
I won’t say he can’t develop those skills because he is a very bright young man, but he is raw at the position of Sam and it will take time for him to get where Fox and Aleen want him to be. I think he can learn it pretty fast, let’s just hope opponents don’t expose his weaknesses to much in the mean time…
I concur
At least we have a coach that knows how to develop that talent. That more than anything should help his development.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
I think every player in the locker room wants to make a statement tonight and for the season.
I haven’t heard the enthusiasm this team has right now for a long time. It is indeed night and day in the atmosphere at Dove Valley, you can hear it when plays are interviewed in the locker room. The commaraderie is high as it has been and the coaches coach with enthusiasm themselves, telling players that they will be held accountable for their practice and their play even if it has to be pointed out on the big screen in the meeting room…That is one of the most important settings in building a team, player/coach relationships and that lacked in the Mcdaniels era.
The simple speech by the coaches, stating they won’t be hollering at players for making mistake, but pointing out their flaws and expect them to correct them…What more could a player ask for? i have serious doubts that none of the players we acquired in the draft or free agency would be on our roster if McDaniels was still incharge. It just wouldn’t be the same and I am so glad I don’t have to see the whistle twirling anymore…
The keys for success lie in the trenches. if the broncos can win those battles then they will win more games, but if they struggle in there, then they will suffer mightily. The turnover differential is vital as well as they turn the tides in games that won’t supposed to be won. Staying healthy as you said is also a big if and a big part of a teams success, but I love the "next man up " mantra too…Players are not on the roster just to take up a spot, every one of them have a same responsibility to perform as high as the player they replaced…
Bottom line…The Broncos have a grat opportunity to be 3-0 in just 2 short weeks with two wins at home and one on the road in Tennessee. if the broncos can start out strong and develop a swagger about themselves they can ride on that wave all the way to the shore of the off season and into the playoffs. I don’t see the Broncos falling off if they win 6 in a row like they did in 2009, that was all on McDaniels’ ego and arrogance with his coaching staff. now we have a head coach that is willing to let his subordinates coach. Not to many people understand that philosophy, but it works when you have the right talent around you. I should know being the fire chief here in my community. Delagation of authority of the best route for all concerned, and it will reap benefits if used right.
great post Super 7 and much appreciated for you honest report…
One more key improvement
Echoing bfree2bronc, the Broncos have also improved at Head Coach. This is an important change for us. Players will play better for a coach that they respect. Whatever technical skill McDaniels may have had at one time, it was overwhelmed by his ego. See Nolan comment above for example. (didn’t know that)
He basically couldn’t handle the gig. I think his play calling deteriorated over time. I also think he just lost the team. He lost them as a leader, they weren’t following. Maybe he learns from it and maybe he doesn’t, but it will be some other team’s problem. Kind of reminds me of the Neuheisel situation at CU a few years back.
I think the Broncos are not ready for prime time this season. Depth will be the undoing. Sad to say.
We will however win unexpectedly. The Broncos will be a dangerous foe for anyone on our schedule. In win totals I think we have more upside than downside, but we are not ready to rumble with the big boys in the playoffs just yet.

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