FINAL: Sloppy Broncos Lose Opener To Raiders 23-20
by John Bena on Sep 12, 2011 11:59 PM MDT
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| Category | Broncos | Raiders |
| Score | 20 | 23 |
| Rushing Yards |
13 car. 38 yards (2.9 ypc) | 39 car. 190 yards (4.9 ypc) |
| Passing Yards |
272 | 99 |
| Total Yards | 310 | 289 |
| 3rd Down Conversions | 6-13 | 5-14 |
| T.O.P | 27:25 | 32:35 |
| Turnovers |
3 | 1 |
Sloppy. Is there any other word to use to describe this penalty-riddled football game? Oh, I have one, painful. The Broncos didn't lose 59-14 but this one hurts more, at least to me. The Broncos had every opportunity to win the game but fumbled, held, dropped it away. Kyle Orton wasn't good, but neither was the offense line.
The defense played better, but when it had to have it - with the Broncos down 23-23 with 3:43 to go - they couldn't get off the field. If there are games that are team--wins, this was a team-loss. For the Broncos, in a lot of ways, that means more of the same that fans have seen over the last 2, 3, 4, 5 years.
The Broncos turned the football over 3 times, they gave up nearly 200 yards rushing. They played with an attitude, however, something we've been looking for, but it lead to 10 penalties for 91 yards. Only the Raiders - who were penalized 15 times for 131 yards, made the Broncos night look better than it actually was.
One play, however, one play was the difference. A fumble by Kyle Orton on a play-action fake, a play that Orton simply dropped the ball was the culprit, a likely 14-point swing that saw all the momentum the Broncos had built in climbing back from a 16-3 halftime deficit disappear in an instant. The Raider scored a touchdown on the drive, taking advantage of every Broncos miscue.
There was a missed 56-yard field goal by Matt Prater that gave the Raiders good field position, good enough to kick a FG of their own. A blocked punt gave the Raiders a short field to score their first touchdown. Sebastian Janikowski tied Tom Dempsey and Jason Elam by hitting a 63-yard field goal at the end of the first half, 3-points that ended up being the difference.
The Broncos didn't quit, however, with Eric Decker scoring on a 90-yard punt return. The Broncos had life, had momentum, before the Play. Orton will be the fall guy - and as the quarterback he should be. Personally, I could care less if the Broncos make a quarterback change - 10 penalties, just 38 yards rushing, and unknown injuries to Elvis Dumervil, Champ Bailey, Knowshon Moreno and Brandon Lloyd all hold more significance. The fans will have their say, of course, and it is likely the Broncos front office will be listening - if not right now, then soon.
Perhaps that will be the spark the Broncos need. Only time - and John Fox - can tell us if, and when, we may see Tim Tebow or Brady Quinn. Performances like tonight, however, by the quarterback - and the team - are unacceptable, however, and the fans smell blood.
The Bengals come to town next Sunday. The Broncos had better get a win because the schedule only gets tougher from here on out and the 2011 season may already have begin spiralling out of control.
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LOL - that was fast. Kiszla is already going after Fox
“Second-guessing
Is Fox’s style of play hopelessly outdated? During the featured TV game of the MNF opener, New England quarterback Tom Brady torched Miami for 517 yards passing and four touchdowns in a 38-24 victory. No rookie QB in NFL history has ever come out firing like Carolina’s Cam Newton, who threw for 422 yards in his debut. Week 1 of the season saw the league set a record for most games with two quarterbacks enjoying 300-yard performances. Can the Broncos or any other team in 2011 seriously compete for a championship with such a conservative offensive philosophy?"
I could kill Kizla. Comparing ANYBODY we have to Brady and his line? IDIOT
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 13, 2011 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions
The first article I ever read of his
was along the line that the MLS must start attracting big name soccer stars otherwise it was doomed. Is it true, yes but is it realistic, god no
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Sep 13, 2011 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions
kizla had to have that one ready to go and should have junk it.
we only ran the ball 13 times. not what I call conservative
Kyle had 300 yards too.
Didn’t mean a damn thing.
my logo sez it all...
But Blame this all on KO I will not…. the Tebow shouting fans when we were down by three freaking points at home?
Straight up DUDS!!!!!
Duds OLINE DLINE Imagine that.
"The stupider one is, the closer one is to reality. The stupider one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence wriggles and hides itself.
- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 13, 2011 12:03 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
We have major issues all over bit you have to have a playmaker at qb and we dont
by always broncs on Sep 13, 2011 12:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course nobody will blame it all on KO
but he did exactly what he did last year, not make plays when we needed them. In fact he decided to drop the ball on the easiest, most wide open play of the day when we were driving for a go ahead score. The guy just doesn’t have “it”, and I know people are tired of hearing that but it is the truth.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
by Shaz_Bagl on Sep 13, 2011 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look, I’m as frustrated with Orton as you are – but to say he “decided” to drop the ball (in a game that sloppy and that wet) at a crucial time – that’s not logical.
I was about ready to crucify him after that play, but he did bring us back and get us in position to win the game – in the face of all the fans chanting for Tebow!
The D didn’t close it out. I blame Hunter (missed tackle on the last first down run by Bush), and Vickerson (pulling a McBean at the end of the first half!), and the O-Line (can’t run block, can’t give Orton time, completely dominated by the Raiders Dline, especially inside and on the right).
And a blocked punt, a missed FG (I’ll give Praeter a pass for the weather and the distance… but still).
And we just got McFadden pounded past our D for the entire second half.
It was not a good night, and the only place I think Tebow would have made it better was in the red zone on our 2 FG trips (please, use him to help fix our red zone deficient offense!)
Are you serious?
I clearly don’t think he dropped the ball intentionally, but he might as well have. And if he hadn’t played like such a stiff the entire game, he wouldn’t have had to “bring us back” so why in the world should he get credit for that?
But yes, he was not the only problem, the run D still needs fixing (which I’m sure most of us knew would be the case) and the o-line was putrid. But Orton’s lack of mobility doesn’t help the line either, and it isn’t like he was completely accurate when given time today anyway.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
One Thing Is For Sure
The o-line is poor but at least with a more mobile QB in either Quinn or Tebow, when the protection breaks down, they are going to make something happen getting outside of the pocket or dashing for a first instead of sitting back there and getting hit. What about that 3rd and goal where Orton basically walked right into the sack by Seymore. Tebow or Quinn would have made something happen. GUARANTEED!
by jessejames34 on Sep 13, 2011 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton was just as much to blame as the Oline
if you can’t see that then you are clueless which doesn’t surprise me
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions
what I find funny about this is
that when Tebow was getting mobbed in preseason behind a piss poor O line everyone was saying he is just not ready. That Orton is our best chance to win…
I say BS. When Orton gets mobbed it is all the O line. I agree that the O line got man handled but they didn’t make the pick pass. they didnt drop the ball on the ground. Orton is just Orton.
If he is our best chance to win what the hell do we have to lose putting either Quinn or Tebow in and see what we have?
It is going to be brutal to watch Orton do this crap all year.
Anyone out there ever have that feeling in your gut that Orton was going to come from behind and win this game? I didn’t think so either…..
Maybe the fans shouldn’t have been shouting for Tebow and maybe next time they can chant for Tebow and Quinn.
Best chance to win…….Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight..
If our D made that stop
I fully expected Orton to have that game winning drive.
Right now, I am more pissed at our lack of any run D. You HAVE TO stop that 4 minute offense. If you can’t, I don’t care who runs our offense – we lose.
Based on what?
When has Orton ever shown the ability to lead that last minute scoring drive?
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
by Shaz_Bagl on Sep 13, 2011 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
“I fully expected Orton to have that game winning drive.”
Based on what. Orton played like garbage a MAJORITY of the game. stupid comment. Orton has NEVER shown the ability to bring a team back
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m actually going to agree with you Shaz. I think that if the O-line cannot be improved in a hurry Tebow might indeed be the least bad option. I’m honestly and frankly disappointed. I thought that with the return of Clady and with new additions this o-line problem was going to be a thing of the past. Clearly, it is not. I believed at the beginning of the season KO gave us the best chance to win. I still think that but much less strongly than I did yesterday. And still think that only because I won’t rush to judgment on one game. But if the o-line can’t be better, KO has to go. He can’t win without a decent on-line, simple as that.
by Tuttifrutti on Sep 13, 2011 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions
why does everyone think that Orton gives us the best chance to win?
Does someone know something that the rest of us that don’t believe that? Can someone tell me.
He plays behind a shitty Oline and plays like crap and it is not his fault.
Tebow plays behind a shitty oline and he is not ready yet…..
Does it really matter what crappy qb we have out there if we have to watch Orton do this the rest of the year? give me some raw youngster that will at least give me some excitement while we lose and also gives me the feeling that he just might be able to pull a win out with his effort.
I don’t want to watch another year of tonights QB action….all though that dropping the ball on the ground at a very crucial point was different….for whatever that means, just another added way to fold under the pressure. Chances are only given a couple of time in a game and our qb better take advantage of them and Orton is just unable to do such
I agree
Give me a QB that will move his feet. The one time Orton scrambled for a first down you could tell he about pissed his pants. I want a QB that is going to move when the protection breaks down and doesn’t get sacked walking right next to Seymore. Give me a break!
by jessejames34 on Sep 13, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
It isn't like I'm out to beat the guy up
I rooted for him all damn game, I want the Broncos to win. The fact of the matter is that his weaknesses just amplify the weaknesses of the rest of the team right now. Tebow instanly improves the running game and pass protection simply because he can move. I don’t see how we win with Orton unless the line really comes together after today and honestly I don’t see the point in winning with Orton because we are not a playoff team anyway. Play the kid, see what he has and then draft someone else if he can’t cut it.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
And, based on stats, a running QB actually improves the production of the running backs...just saying.
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59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
It's like groundhog day.
And it’s also the definition of insanity. We are continuing to do the same things, yet we are expecting different results. I need to re-up on my crazy pills.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
lack of logic
Just because Orton wasn’t the only problem doesn’t mean he isn’t a problem.
by tunesmith on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was the BIGGEST problem.
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59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
by boydy2669 on Sep 13, 2011 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am never one
to say a game comes down to one play or whatever, but that phantom fumble of his totally fked us over. Big time. The entire complexity of the game changed after that happened.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Very perceptive
this is the same problem we have faced for years and now seem to have fixed. O-Line play determines what and how effective the QB is. if the QB is constantly being hurried and planted he will not play well no matter who he is.
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
Never mind that both of his worst mistakes (Pick and fumble) came on plays where the O-line gave him forever in the pocket?
No pressure on either play and he FAILED.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
Orton better have a better explanation in his presser than the usual garbage
because I’m sick of this team’s quarterback not having any balls when it counts. Orton’s only touchdown was on garbage time (as per usual) and it’s really exhausting.
The defense played SO much better than years past (still not acceptable) and I wish the offense could match their improvement.
There were so many low points in this game, so I’ll stick with the one everyone is going to: Kyle Orton, you need to either put up or shut up. Either show up or don’t. None of this in-between crap. The offensive line did him no favors tonight, but that excuse can only be had for so long. The quarterback needs to make his line better too. Orton has failed miserably at that for too long.
I support the quarterback, no matter what the name is on the back, but Orton is making that a really tough task. John Fox better have a really good reason why Orton deserves to start next week over one of the other guys, because that was putrid tonight.
27--29--11 May all your spirits rest in peace.
disagree. he made some GREAT throws tonight. quick decisions. Tebow would have been EATEN ALIVE by that defensive line!! OUR LINES SUCKED!!!!!
Prater missed a long FG
Blocked punt
Moreno fumble
REALLY BLAME KO? Damn. he’s just KO.
Zero run offense. ZERO basically!!
Ya gotta give KO SOME KIND OF SUPPORT!!
The ONLY STUD TONIGHT? DECKER!
Maybe Lloyd.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh yeah Dawkins
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- Fyodor D
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 13, 2011 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Tebow would have made plays with his feet behind that line
which is why he needs to play. If the line is going to be that bad, Orton has no chance, period. Plus there were plenty of times tonight Orton didn’m make quick decisions and he was inaccurate on a ton of throws. I question if you even watched portions of this game.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
Couldn't agree more
Instead of standing in the pocket and being brushed up against and falling over like the wind blowing a tumble weed, Quinn or Tebow would’ve at least scrambled. The won’t piss themselves when scrambling for a first like Orton did!
by jessejames34 on Sep 13, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
WB...Tebow would have been a lot better.....sorry, orton plain sucked and has regressed...I love ya man, but Orton was brutal and cost us the game.
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59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Do you not get tired of fighting?
I don’t know how you do it, man. It’s exhausting. Keep on fighting the good fight though. All of our efforts are not going to be for nothing, Boydy. Good things come to those who wait. And wait. And wait. And….
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
For how long do you want to make excuses for KO Whidbey??
Do we need a Superbowl ready defense, O-line and run game before we can finally say ‘we can WIN with Kyle Orton?’ I mean seriously.
Kyle Orton had ANOTHER chance to win the game, by himself, as MANY good QBs do in this league. They make plays, despite the poor play from their team – and the Raiders gave Kyle Orton a chance to win this game and he blew it. The fumble and interception sealed our fate and those had nothing to do with the O-Line, the Run-Game or any of that.
At this point, I don’t care if we go with Adam Webber as our starter – Kyle Orton is not a winner, he does not capitalize on his opportunities and he is a great back-up QB at best, but enough already. This franchise deserves a better QB than this and we may have one sitting on the bench behind him.
John Fox and John Elway need to OPEN THEIR EYES and understand that this is Kyle Orton and that’s it. Kyle Orton has NOT improved, OBVIOUSLY, from last year or the year before that. He has the SAME issues, so why not give the guys who have improved and who have MORE potential a chance????
by OverDilusions on Sep 13, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Until 2012, when Elway gets to draft the QB he wants.
Cause he wants no part of Tebow and he doesn’t want Orton or Quinn either.
Robert Ayers could very well end up the only draft pick in two years that works out long term……….McD draft pick that is.
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This comment makes Elway seem like an 'Ego Maniac'...
‘My guy isn’t here, and I’m in charge now, so until I get my shot at my guy – to heck with the Broncos previous investments…’
Please understand, draft picks do not belong to THIS regime or THAT regime or MY regime, they belong to the DENVER BRONCOS. As a part of the ‘Denver Broncos regime,’ John Elway has a responsibility to train, teach and develop EVERY PLAYER ON OUR ROSTER.
He also has a responsibility, whether he drafted him or not, to develop our ‘high investment’ picks and that includes Tebow and D. Thomas and every other ‘McDaniels guy’ because they are ACTUALLY Broncos ‘guys.’
If Elway wants ‘no part of Tebow’ than he was a TERRIBLE hire at VP and the Broncos should fire him immediately. Period.
by OverDilusions on Sep 14, 2011 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions
That missed field goal was a horrible call by Fox...
50+ yds is tough for any kicker in any league, so your odds are not good, even w/ Praters leg. You miss it and the Raiders have great field position in a close game. This was a game of field position last night and that call played right into the Raiders hands. I really like Fox but I bet he woke up in the middle of the night and said “what the F…. was I thinking?!!!” That play call was bigger than anyone has acknowledged at this point.
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by rubincarterrocks on Sep 13, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
If Orton is our best chance to win
then we really need to get a QB…damn… Can’t make a elite QB out of an avg one.
good between the lines but then pooooof he disappears….enough already
Like my old boss used to say
you can polish a turd up all you like, but at the end of the day, well, yeah.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
haha I like it.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Good game D much improved.
Orton lets us down again.
Timmy Tebow to the rescue! Oh wait Orton still our starter. DAMN!
I thought they did ok
the offense left them in bad position after bad postion, they do need to tackle better
Timmy Tebow to the rescue! Oh wait Orton still our starter. DAMN!
Orton let us down
but any defense allowing that much rushing yards needs some work too. Don’t let them off the hook.
27--29--11 May all your spirits rest in peace.
True
However, with all that it was a 3-point loss and if any of those redzone trips turns into a TD instead of a FG or INT, the this is a different story. With that said, our rush defense was a joke and better step up.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
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2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
you got that.
our run d isn’t any better than last year but I will give them some more time to maybe get better. We do have some different players on this side that are going to be good. So I will give them a chance.
They better hurry and fix the problem tho cause every team will just run it down our throat.
Key to beat us is run on us and stop any run we may have on offense cause they all know that our QB can’t win on his own….few more drafts and we should be able to play the good teams again……sigh
While I won't blame Orton...
… I know Orton is not special. I’d give Orton 2 or 3 more weeks of red zone ineptitude before I’d call for a change.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Why does a 7-year vet get ever more weeks to prove himself, when everyone draws
bad assumptions about Tebow, who has played very decently at every opportunity? If Orton shines in one out of the next three weeks, does that buy him another three or four? It’s time to greet the future.
by oorange blood on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton should have been gone at the bye week last year....and we would know by now what we had in Tebow...we are in a worse situation than last season with no knowing what we have in tebow. State of flux!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Ugghhhhh...
I am sick and tired of seeing “Kyle Orton wasn’t good, but____________________” excuses.
The blame always is shifted away from Orton. Bottom line is despite bad O-line play Kyle Orton had the opportunity to put 15 more points up but he left them on the field…by not seeing open receivers, by putting the ball on the ground with wide open receivers, and deciding to throw the ball in the dirt rather than take a risk at getting an endzone completion to Lloyd…close games have seen the same story unfold with Orton at QB…and I am sick of it.
by knoepke84 on Sep 13, 2011 12:05 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Same old story as last year
No run defense; Orton is anti-clutch and our o-line is pathetic….It’s gonna be a long season…Gotta love Decker though
Orton needs to move in the pocket the classic statue stance doesn't work
Timmy Tebow to the rescue! Oh wait Orton still our starter. DAMN!
This was the face I made
right after the fumble.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
by grind_core on Sep 13, 2011 1:50 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We should have lost by a lot more
-Mike McCoy did a wonderful job at halftime. Our O-line looked much improved in the second half.
-KO was exactly what you saw last year…nothing…the guy does not make the people around him better…I cringe when he drops back, half the time something bad happens.
-Defense looks a lot faster than last year. Miller was great.
-We could have used D.J. Williams…
-Vaugh played decent.
-Decker was excellent
-Dawkins played the run very well
-Our interior o-line struggled.
Also i expected a lot more intensity out of Mays
And i finally figured out Ayers, he plays well when we have a shot but when things go bad he’s done.
Stanford Routt confirmed my suspicions, Raiders wont miss Asamoagh. The backup Corners were what surprised me, Boyd and Van Dyke.
by ShyandObese on Sep 13, 2011 12:08 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This game left a lot to be desired, and not at QB. The Oline is pitiful. The running game is still absolutely horrible. Oakland showed everyone what it’s like to have a dominant Dline. This was probably the most undisciplined game ive seen in a long time. I’m more disappointed right now than I was at any point last season. I expected more, and tonight made it clear how devoid of talent we are at a lot of positions. it will be interesting to see where they go from here. I think we’re in for a rough year.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Our lack of line shows itself again
Raiders show us what a real d line can do. And our oline isn’t impressive. And why not just play the run until you actually stop it? Bad front 7…
Ugly game. Fortunately, drop some penalties, drop 3 turnovers, fix oline and rund (oh rund… where are you?) and we might actually win some games. Orton and all offense was bad, Oakland was damned good front 4, and we could have had 25+ points in that game. (Half would be Oak penalties, but that’s fine)
D has some life but no one in the middle other than Dawk. There’s so much bleeding, I scream “Dawk!” and the injury is contained… Good times, but how about some Dline? Wouldn’t that have won us the game?
Line play is really to blame
Agreed, and to be completely honest, our O-line and D-line got pushed around. We are so talent deprived at these positions everything else looks horrible.
The only positive I got is this is about as bad as bad as we will ever get. At least McDaniels is gone and hopefully Elway can turn this around even if it takes more than a couple of years.
Go Broncos!
by Orange77Crush on Sep 13, 2011 12:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Let me rephrase this for you.
“This team needs another 2-3 years of DRAFTING ONLY DEFENSIVE TACKLES.”
There. Fixed.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
13 out of 15 are likely busts...
according to draft analysts on DTs
by OverDilusions on Sep 13, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I dunno
for starters how about plug em in to our defense so we can stop being Oakland’s prison bitch? That’s where I would go first. Then who knows. But that would be a good start, wouldn’t you agree?
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Since when do DT seal the edge?
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What a terrible game.
Defense played their asses off. Even though it doesn’t look good on paper, the defense did a great job of stopping the raiders all night. The thing is you can only bail out your completely inept offense so many time.
Kyle Orton was a complete mess. He was terrible and was the main reason the Broncos lost that game in my opinion. The offensive line though is also still horrible. They can’t open any holes for the run game, and didn’t do a great job with pass protection either. Also I know it was raining pretty hard, but it just seemed like the Broncos couldn’t stay on their feet or hold onto the damn ball. It was raining on the Raiders too and they didn’t have nearly the problems the Broncos did.
Minus the last drive that would have most likely given Orton another opportunity to F up...
the D did make a lot of stops at crucial points in the game and all momentum was clearly in the Broncos favor until the dropped ball by Orton turned the momentum of the game entirely around.
We were well on our way to winning that game by possibly 10 pts
Kyle Orton felt bad for the heat Romo took for his collapse….so he decided to one-up him.
Good point
“I’m not going to cry over spilled milk.”
No Kyle you’re not. But you’re going to cry when I beat the hell outta you until you clean up that damn milk!
by ten_fiver on Sep 13, 2011 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
So funny. So very, very funny.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
No, he won't cry over spilt milk.
But he will cry over wet balls.
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Let's not kid ourselves
We were a punt return, and a raider fumble away from embarrassment.
Apart from one, one, drive did we ever truly look like scoring?
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
...hit post too early..
… The defense will get blamed, but they were out there far longer than should have been.
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
In the words of Keyshawn Johnson, "C'mon Man"
We were also a dropped ball and missed 63-yard field goal away from winning the game by 10 points. And yes, we did look like we were about to score on every drive.
by OrangeCrush19 on Sep 13, 2011 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions
We definitely were, and after that happened...
the Raiders were about to be trailing 20-16 and up against 17 unanswered points until that screw up by Ort
C'mon, let me have my death spiral guys..
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
heh
the real answer is somewhere in the middle surely. Both teams screwed up a fair bit because they aren’t very good.
i keep dancing on my own.
Well,
we know that WE aren’t very good. Especially at the QB position.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
I would to Romo is better then Orton
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions
romo is a freaking elite QB. Remember how many times Manning crapped the bed before people started saying he had ice water in his veins? Clutch is just another word for small sample size.
That said, Orton is probably an average QB and Romo is a top 7 QB.
i keep dancing on my own.
Not even close.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Orton had one decent drive when the game was over
Same old Orton. He played like shit a majority of the game period
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:12 AM MDT reply actions
As far as pass protection goes....
it was plenty good for a mobile QB…only one man was consistently getting through, which a mobile QB can sidestep and still deliver
We were stopping the run a lot better earlier in the game. The they were getting yards off draws and stuff early but e stopped that.
The thing is, the more the game goes on your D will be less likely to hold of the run especially when your offense is so underwhelming. When your offense gives you know hope its harder and anyone whose played the game I feel might agree because thats the feeling im getting.
I honestly see a 180 degree turn,
Our defense looks excellent and our offense looks like garbage (aside from the receivers). Complete 180 turn around from last year.
I will agree that there was much improvement...
…but it won’t last if we can’t sustain drives.
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the defense was fine
a running offense should keep its down and distance in line and march down the field. The Broncos held the Raiders to 5-14 on 3rd downs tonight.
i keep dancing on my own.
The D did not make the plays that really mattered
Early, they gave up 2 LONG 3rd down conversions, leading to the first TD.
Later, the Vickerson penalty gave SeaBass the chance to get points they weren’t even going for until then.
And the 4 minute offense – when we can’t stop that, we will never win close games. Our D was good at times, but it lost the game every bit as much as the offense did on this sloppy wet game.
yeah
it wasn’t exactly the 00 ravens out there, but it was a drastically improved unit over last year. The offense is the reverse.
i keep dancing on my own.
I saw some improvement
But not good enough. This is a defense that could be one of the worst in the league against the run – again.
And I am not convinced our pass D is that good until they face a good QB – when we play SD, I’ll decide how good I think our pass D is. I really hope they are as good as they should be (and somewhat looked today). But this game was not enough to get me excited about a “drastic improvement” – we only had 1 (or did the credit us with a second?) sack. Sure, they weren’t that effective in the air – but in the second half, they didn’t need to be.
If we can’t beat the Raiders when they beat themselves like they did today – well, I don’t want to see a Bronco team like that.
yeah the defense was good.
passing defense wins games in the NFL, and the Raiders had 4.5 YPA tonight. There were a bunch of reasons the Raiders were just able to run all night (the offense sucking, turnovers, run defense) but I’m encouraged by the defense.
i keep dancing on my own.
Pass D in the rain?
The rain made it a defensive game – and our D got it shoved down their throat. 4 minute offense must be stopped.
well in this garbage game, obviously there are a huge number of pathetic mistakes that “lost” the game if the meaning of “lost” is that there is a possibility of victory had they not occurred. The 4 minute offense is indeed one of them. So is the 15 yard draw to McFadden, and McFadden’s 50 yard run. All that said, I still think the defense improved over last year.
i keep dancing on my own.
Our offense looked exactly the same from last year
only thing changed is ED steps up and made the plays Gaff was making
I do like McGahee
He wasn’t perfect (the drop and the fumble), but he was pretty good.
And nobody could run behind that run blocking.
Orton or Tebow, it doesn't matter that much
On a game like tonight – way bigger problems. 10 penalties for 91 yards? No way – we are the disciplined team. That’s how we can win. Not like that. Especially the McBean-like drive extenders – Vick’s 15 yarder before the half, and McBean’s in the redzone. Unacceptable.
Run D – unacceptable as well. No way we can win if we can’t stop them when they have to run like that.
Run blocking – the worst I’ve seen! Our best run was a scramble by ORTON! Pathetic.
Losing a game like this – it almost made me call for Tebow. But the fans that did that at the game were horrible. They did it when Orton was making smart plays, like throwing it away as he was about to be hit on first and ten!
Sure, Orton messed up in 1 clutch situation. But then he drove us down in another – in the face of boos from his own crowd even – and put us back in the game.
Orton isn’t a savior for a bad team – but Tebow will get eaten alive if we throw him in there with our currently pathetic blocking. And our D showed we can’t lean on them to win games for us – even if they are improved vs the pass, they are possibly still the worst in the league vs the run.
In all – I want Tebow, NEXT YEAR. Once he is prepared and our team is further into this transition. What this game showed me is that our team is still bad. Some bright spots (ED), but still bad. If Tebow goes in now, the haters will tear him apart as he has a bad season with our sub-par team. Then next year we will give up on him before he has a legit shot.
So, patience with Orton. Hopefully, we’ll see some Swamp Tebow in the RedZone in the next weeks – but he isn’t our starting QB yet, and our WHOLE TEAM must be much better before it would be in our best long-term (or immediate) interest to play him.
Throwing it away on 1st and ten was NOT smart
I don’t care what Dilfer said…Elway would duck/scramble do anything to keep the drive alive. Orton is more concerned about keeping himself alive. His conservative play means…20-30yd drives and a punt.
Maybe Tebow gives us the better chance to win...
He passes well when running for his life, and the O-Line was less than stellar for Orton against the Raiders. Tebow was our leading rusher in the pre-season, and that abillity opens up more opportunities for the actual running backs to get yards because the D is worried about him scrambling.
I don’t know… I think Tebow should go in, screw next year, I’m sick of the “Orton Project.”
by OverDilusions on Sep 13, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Lol
I could see that on Tim’s bio. “Passes well when running for his life.”
bahahahaha
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Mistakes all around, but Ortons take cake, Defense was decent
It wasn’t just the fumble that Orton just dropped. The INT at the end of the half was 5 yard short of Lloyd, the safety was parked there and all he had to do was get it over his head with Lloyd going full speed and it was a TD. Defense gave the O the ball in close early on and we got a fg with Orton running into his own lineman not being able to step in to the throw and make a play. Orton shows no heart and collapses when the pressure is on. Same story last year.
Don’t know how anyone can blame the D that much they were on the field way too much any team would be worn down by the end…
Bottom line is if Orton even makes one of those three opportunities we win, a starting NFL QB should be expected to make those. I bought in to Orton being the best chance and let Tebow develop but Orton just can’t handle the pressure plain and simple. Oh by the way Henne looked better in the early gamem guess Miami is happy Orton would not redo his deal now.
Can say what you will about Tebow but he does make things happen in the Redzone right now and doesn;t just give up on 3rd and long.
The D lost us the game
200 yards rushing against us?
Sure the int was bad, but Vickerson was to blame for the FG after it. His “McBean” was the worst – every bit as bad as McBean’s McBean in the redzone.
Stop piling on Orton everybody – our team was too bad to worry about Orton/Tebow tonight.
TOP wasn't that bad, actually
I was surprised, only 32:30-27:30 in their favor. Despite the fact we scored on a punt return, giving our offense no time on the field for a long long time in the 3rd quarter.
Orton pulled off a long drive and gave the D a break before the last drive. They still couldn’t stop it – 3 first downs! TOP doesn’t excuse that when it was almost even at that point (since they got the ball at 3:45, they were only up 28:45-27:30 on us).
I really hope our pass D is as good as advertised (hard to tell in this sloppy game), but our run D is just as bad as we feared.
The D was put in bad situations by
the offense and by ST with the blocked punt. If you can’t see that then you are a complete moron
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions
They also gave up when in normal situations
The last drive of both the first and second half – they show me our D has problems. Discipline (1st half) and plain being physical vs the run (2nd half).
Maybe it’s too harsh to say the D lost us the game – but they had opportunities to win it for us and did not.
Well if Orton doesn't throw the pick then Vick doesn't have the oppurtunity for a stupid penality
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Yup, so Vick's stupidity is clearly Orton's fault
Sorry, I agree Orton wasn’t good – but it doesn’t excuse horrible plays like that.
Actually, I’ll amend that. I LIKE ORTON’S INT. He was taking chances at the end of the first half – as he should! It wasn’t a good throw, but I’ll take the aggressiveness over his usual much criticized check downs and throw-aways. In that spot, our D shouldn’t have given up points – they wouldn’t have even gone for any apart from that penalty.
I’ll take that late 1st half int every time ahead of being too safe and not moving the ball. It shouldn’t have given them points with that much time and at that point on the field. Our D handed those to them and deserve more blame for those 3 pts than Orton’s INT.
People still making up excuses for Orton dropping the ball
Literally
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
Against most teams in the NFL
we should match up pretty well on D…prob is 2 of the teams(Raiders and Chiefs) are superb running teams.
We had a chance at the end and couldn't get it done on defense.
We needed to stop the Raiders, after our offense had a great 80 yard drive in the rain, and couldn’t get it done. Not a great effort tonight. Interception, 2 fumbles, blocked punt, numerous dropped passes and penalties. The Raiders controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Our offense managed only 38 yards in rushing. Orton didn’t have a great game, but(in spite of the extremely bad OL play), put the team in a position to tie the score or win the game at the end. Our defense just couldn’t the ball back! Tough weather conditions to rely soley on the passing game. just like last year, we need better balance on offense.
ROFL at " Orton didn't have a great game"
This sir is the ultimate definition of blind loyalty. I can guarantee you that even Orton would say he had a bad game.
"as in football so in life"
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by asinsoin on Sep 13, 2011 12:37 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bad is being overly complimentary...HE SUCKED...BADLY.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
You can't see.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Unfortunately neither can Fox or Elway when it comes to the QB position...
The KO from tonight is the same we’ve had for 2 years, but the Prince of Practice somehow managed to trick our leadership once again.
Seriously, I wonder what the heck Fox and Elway see….
by OverDilusions on Sep 13, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton's late touchdown drive
does nothing to erase the fact that he failed twice in the redzone earlier. The defense gave Orton more then enough chances and he did nothing with them, and we aren’t going to get any balance with our line with under center. The only way to drastically improve the running game is to play Tebow, I don’t know what people think changed from the last 3 games of last year to this year on the offensive side of the ball.
The fact that is is even possible that Tebow could have outplayed Orton tonight means that we are playing the wrong QB. We all know what we have in Orton, time to see what we may have in Tebow.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
While I agree with the improvement to our running game Tebow would bring
I very much doubt our passing game would be anywhere close right now. That’s a problem, since our OLine is HORRIBLE at run blocking.
I completely disagree with your last paragraph, though. Tebow should be developed and deployed under the right circumstances – give him the best chance to succeed. We don’t need to just play him to “see what we’ve got” – that’s a recipe for disaster this year, without a real offseason behind him. He’d likely do poorly, and if we didn’t like the Tebow-haters this year in the preseason – well it’d go to a whole new level. I want Tebow when he’s ready to prove the haters wrong, so I hope he doesn’t start until late this season at worst, next season week 1 at best. Until then, Swamp package would be nice. Especially in the red zone.
I'd go as far
as to say we win this game if Tebow was in there. He could have made some things happen for us. It’s not like we got blown out. We just couldn’t get anything done on offense. Call me crazy.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Not Stupid
He wasn’t the only reason we lost but he was a big part of the reason. anyone defending Orton is a moron
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Then say what you mean in the first post
AZDynamics: Orton shouldn’t take the blame
gnarlybroncosdude: He should take part of the blame.
AZDynamics: I’m not defending Orton.
Huh?
Exactly
Fans need a scapegoat in the face of great disappointment.
Orton wasn’t great – but he did score that late TD (and it was not even close to “garbage time”! If our D can stop the run, that TD was clutch!)
dude
orton earned that scapegoat tag all the way. quit acting like he was johnny rings out there. he wasn’t.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Again, why do Orton-Apologists not see the QB position as it really is...
the most important position on the field with the ability to influence and control the game more than any other POSITION on the field.
When you have that much control, you’re ‘not a scape-goat’ as though to say you were only a small part.
What did Peter Parkers grandpa say?? “With much power [qb] comes much responsibility.”
And when you blow it, YOU WILL take the greatest portion of blame.
by OverDilusions on Sep 13, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
That fumble was a 14 point swing and two failed red zone opportunities...
He wasn’t the sole reason, but he sure didn’t help the cause tonight. And, he does not win. He’s not special. He’s just …. Orton.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
AZ...you got to be kidding me...team sport...but a QB, who is a captain and supposed leaderr pisses the game away...
There were lots of weaknesses, but Orton was the major reason we lost.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
That is a bunch of crap . . .
Orton made a couple grievous errors. I’ll give you that. But he was not the MAJOR reason the Broncos lost. That is stupidity.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Open your eyes AZ Boydy is spot on.
And not just for the 2 TO’s . More for the numerous errant throws and easy sacks. For someone who is supposedly accurate he was way off tonight and he was his usual easy target in the pocket. More drives ended for these reasons than TO’s by far.
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"Look good, play good, play good, pay good, pay good, eat good, eat good, live good, live good, die good".........Primetime
I agree
But to be fair, there were a number of drops. After we got stuff going with Spiderman… er Lloyd, I could not understand why we abandoned it. That fumble by Lloyd was scary too – way way luck we got it back… not that it helped much
I think the reason he got picked was because he was locked on to Lloyd and the safety read him like a book.
There were indeed a few drops, I’ll have watch the rewind to see how many were the result of bad throws or bad catches.
"as in football so in life"
"Look good, play good, play good, pay good, pay good, eat good, eat good, live good, live good, die good".........Primetime
If Orton was not the biggest reason for the loss
then what was? Seriously, you can blame the run D, but the pass D was great and they got stops all game until the end. You can blame the run game, but teams shut down the run all the time until you beat them with the pass. Face it, there were many bad spots on the team tonight, but Orton was clearly the worst.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
Man....it was not just the errors.....it was the inability to take advantage of opportunities...
The Von turnover, the bad throw to Lloyd when in the RZ, the lack of fire from the offense (as was evident and mentioned by Dilfer). his lack of leadership, the body language of players around him. Being a QB is not just about throwing a nice ball; its about aspiring others and elevating their play,. and having your team believe in you. All I saw was a team struggle on offense even when given chances, and like anything, that falls t the feet of your captain, and that captain is Orton. When you cant trust your leader and Captain, who can you trust.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
The dropped ball
right when we were driving. Orton found a way to lose
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
I'm usually optimistic
About the Broncos chances, but after tonight I am pretty convinced that they will have a legitimate chance at drafting Luck. We are in for a very long season I’m afraid
by dabriza on Sep 13, 2011 12:27 AM MDT via iPhone app reply actions
Now you know how Raider fans have felt for years
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
Orton needs to get alot of the blame for this one
To me he got bailed out by the Raiders making so many stupid penalities on defense, of his drives, how many were extended by penalities – Take those penalities out of the equation and we probably lose by 20.
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by Broncoman on Sep 13, 2011 12:28 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
He was bad...
….but as much as I like Tebow, I have a difficult time believing that even he could move the ball with how many times we were sitting at 1st and 20 or 3 and 15 after holding penalties on the line.
I don't know if Tebow does any better
But I know Orton can’t do any better against a good defense, that’s the issue in a nutshell
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
exactly how i feel
Don’t have a clue if Tebow would have been in if we win, or Quinn for that matter. But it is like we are watching old re-runs.
Put the kid in and if he doesn’t pan out the we are not in any different position except that we know for sure we need a QB in the draft. As it is I would rather see Tebow just to find out if that potential future is already here.
not so fast!
I agree a little bit, but i think our line gets desperate knowing our qb can’t do anything on his own… I mean c’mon some of those sacks were stupid! I’d say 90 % of qbs get away from half of those… I see what your saying but he can’t make plays when we need them most.
by cobraclutch037 on Sep 13, 2011 12:38 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
At least one sac I saw was Orton's fault
He was sacked by a guy that came right down the middle, and a QB is responsible to see a blitzer coming straight down the gut. Period. No excuses, they are RIGHT in front of you.
by OverDilusions on Sep 13, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton wasn't good
But waaaay too much blame on him in these comments. He bounced back from mistakes and got that TD with time left – if our D was good, we would have gotten the ball back. I blame our D just as much as Orton.
And the fumble – I was mad, yeah that’s an “Orton” – but I still can’t see how it is anything beyond bad luck and a very slippery ball (which was fumbled by just about every offensive player on our team). Our lack of any run blocking made me much angrier than Orton having the ball slip around on him a bit when he threw the ball 45 times in the rain.
This was a game that should go to the more physical team – and our oline and dline both got it handed to them.
by Summitgrad on Sep 13, 2011 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The D was the Only reason we were not down by more
The fumble was a 14 point swing. The Offense and St gave the ball to the Raiders in Broncos territory 3 TIMES tonight. The D wore down because they were on the field A LOT. The D should be at the bottom of the list for reasons we lost tonight. The offense should be at the Top of the list with Orton leading the way
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:33 AM MDT up reply actions
it wasn't a 14 point swing
that’s a joke. If we grant that Orton would have thrown a touchdown on that play (possible though not certain) that’s 7 points. They got the ball at what? The 50? There’s no more than 2-3 expected points added going from kickoff field position to the 50. So it’s max a 9 point play.
i keep dancing on my own.
about 2 expected points
for field position at the 50. http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/08/expected-points.html
But you do have to subtract out the expected points for getting the ball on the kickoff, so maybe it’s more like 1.8? So max of 8.8.
i keep dancing on my own.
all told raiders are a poor matchup. will need to look at the sked to see who is a good one i suppose.
i keep dancing on my own.
?????
If we can’t beat them at home who do you suggest is going to come and let us beat them? poor match up???? what does that mean? they are in our division, we hate them, screw the match ups just beat em.
If they didn’t screw the pooch worse than us with supid penalties they would have thumped the crap out of us and they know it.
Better play much better than that and find an offense that can score more than 13 pts or we get 1st pick in the draft….
poor matchup meaning this is a passing league where the broncos have pass rushers as their best players, and the raiders are an anomoly as a rushing team?
i keep dancing on my own.
The Raiders hit all of our weaknesses
We have a hard time with speed at RB (remember Sproles anyone). The Raiders are a track team at the skill positions. McFadden is a nightmare – all the speed plus more size and strength.
We are not very physical up front. The Raiders are. Very.
They have the K and P with the biggest legs in football – add that to Mile High and it’s a bad combination.
We can stop the pass and rush the passer. The Raiders don’t pass.
no,
they are having a hard time receiving information from all the excuses piling up around them. they are so vast they are now blocking out sunlight as well as sound and sight.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Orton single handedly broke our team's spirit TWICE.
Once by coming away with three lousy points when the defense came up with a turnover in the Raiders endzone. Twice when he put the ball on the ground without even being touched on a drive when we needed him to come through for us. How is a clown like that supposed to inspire or lead anyone?
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
I hope professional football players care more about their paychecks and careers than to have a skinny dude with a funny beard determine whether or not they will play hard & earn their next contract.
i keep dancing on my own.
If you think they're emotionless robots who can't be inspired to play harder or have their morale broken like anyone else, you're wrong.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Bullsh**t
SINGLEHANDEDLY?? That’s what I’m talking about. This was a team effort in stupidity.
And comments such as this only follows suit.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
by AZDynamics on Sep 13, 2011 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Orton wasn’t good, but these comments make me want to defend him (when during the game I wanted to call for Tebow at times).
The TEAM SUCKED THE BIG ONE HERE.
Bright spots are ok pass D (maybe – this game wasn’t really a test for that) and ED. ED makes me smile, despite all the rest of this.
by Summitgrad on Sep 13, 2011 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC for you . . .
Orton made two grievous errors: the interception and the dropped ball.
So those were two mistakes out of how many? IT WAS A TEAM “EFFORT”
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Granted there was plenty of blame to go around but if there is one person on the team who can't blow it when it matters, it's the QB.
And KO does it again and again. Not just this game, either.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions
ugggggghhhhh!
We played decent defense. Doom was hurt early on and that hurt us. O line sucked on run plays, but I think they played average on pass plays… Raiders have a good D line and as was mentioned above I think if a somewhat mobile qb was back there we would have been fine. I’ll be honest, I WANT TEBOW TO START! But i have also supported orton since he’s been here… I’m sick of orton! Same o’l scrub. He just can’t win us games(on his own). Yes the line wasn’t great, but a good qb gets it done! I know its only the first week but let’s move on… Let’s at least see what we have in tebow… Even if it turns out he’s not our guy. At least we will know, and can go from there. It’s not like we are a superbowl team anyway. Let the kid play!
by cobraclutch037 on Sep 13, 2011 12:30 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Joe Mays is a terrible Mike
The next play that guy makes will be his first. He was swallowed up but every lead blocker through the line. Ugh.
Mays has Always been overrated. He isn't the answer at MLB
and irving will take his place there soon
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was dissapointed in Mays play
I had high hopes after the Dallas game that he would be the answer, but he looked overmatched tonight.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Goody was terrible too.
Had chances to make tackles to stop drives and couldn’t do it.
by Broncs Cheer on Sep 13, 2011 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Goody really can't tackle at all.
Not bad jn coverage but absolutely no tackling ability.
"as in football so in life"
"Look good, play good, play good, pay good, pay good, eat good, eat good, live good, live good, die good".........Primetime
They need to get all the young guys in there my friend. i think we can all agrtee that we are a rebuilding team...
and that needs to be buiolt thru our draft picks with a smattering of smart veterans that can be good role models and teachers.
Tebow in, Irving in and go youth and see what our young guys can do. We truly have a season when we can develop a team. That is a blessing not a curse, and thats what Green Bay built their success on.
I think we might be surprised with the results.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Well, at least we didn't lose by 45 points.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Boy oh boy oh boy....
The Orton lovers ran for cover after the 4 3 and outs and the fumble, then come out of the woodwork placing blame on everybody else on the team! What class you guys are…
by bfree2bronc on Sep 13, 2011 12:38 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Really? What I see are Orton haters? Where are the Orton lovers? You suffering deliusions?
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Orton is like a B- student.
If Orton doesn’t win soon, we have to try someone else at QB.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Bfree
one of the first to throw in the towel tonight! congrats!
Rocko, Bill is a good guy and was open to Orton succeeding. maybe he saw the truth tonight,,,,thats not throwing in the towel, thats having a meeting with reality.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
by boydy2669 on Sep 13, 2011 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
What was Orton's quarterback rating?
Now come on rocko, did you really believe Orton was going to make a come back early in the 4th qtr when the Broncos were down 23-13? I’ll root for a player when he is worth rooting for…
by bfree2bronc on Sep 13, 2011 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions
just maybe the towel should have been thrown in long ago
we lose to the bengals and I would hope Orton goes flying with that towel
Career with Denver begins and ends with the Bengals.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Why bother to throw in the towel, it would probably land short.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Sep 13, 2011 1:26 AM MDT up reply actions
or he would fumble it
one of the two.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
or throw it to a Raider
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
well if we want to try and put a smiley on it, Von looked good even though they didn’t pass at all, Decker was badass, and Dawkins still is rad.
i keep dancing on my own.
Decker was a highlight for sure!
He had a little ball control trouble last year, but it looks like – so far – that has been addressed.
J
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Twitter: @jezru
Dawk was the wrinkle that help slow the run game in the 2nd half
I hope Allen can be more creative or Dawk will not last this year. We do not hav the beef to stay with a run oriented team, so we have to be creative and get good play from our ILBs (which we did not). Hope he has better answers next week
Why do people blame Ort
and always say, but______________________fill in the blank(O-line play, RB, Defense, new baby, dropped balls, Rocko forgot to give Orton a pep talk, etc. etc. etc.)…it’s the damn NFL!!! As a QB it is your job to overcome adverse situations and PROduce…that’s what you are paid for dammit.
Agreed
Elite QB’s overcome bad situations or adversity, problem is Orton isn’t elite.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Or as my iphone tries to correct it to...
Oron.
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your phone forgot the M
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
classic.
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
yeah that’s why there are about 21 teams looking for elite QBs and 11 laughing at them. And even when you get one with an obviously elite skillset, you still try to throw him under the bus (Romo).
i keep dancing on my own.
My Fault meter
30% Orton
20% Play calling (why we abandoned the run and allowed the Raiders to T-off is beyond me, especially with a Fox coached team)
20% Stupid penalities
20% O-line play (Especially the interior of Beadles, Walton, Kuper, I will reserve some blame on Franklin since he is a rookie)
10% D-line and LB play against the run (they obviously wore down some, but also got sloppy late)
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Agreed somewhat
But when you abandon even trying to run the ball, the the D-line can T-off and has the advantage on your QB – the WA game was a good reason why you don’t abandon the run game, even if you aren’t getting big games, Mike at least understood that in order for a passing game to be effective, you have to at least threaten to run the ball.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Fox gave orton opportunity after opportunity to get back in the game with his arm and Orton failed to produce on every series except when the tRaiders handed us a drive on penalties...
Nough said, I’m not going to argue with the Orton lovers and i am not a Orton Hater I just can’t stand his field generalship and his limp wrist leadership…
by bfree2bronc on Sep 13, 2011 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions
38 yards rushing tonight!
No balance on offense. That’s what did us in tonight! In the rain, can’t rely soley on the pass.
what did the raiders have passing?
they were able to rely solely on one attack…which proved better than Ort’s passing attack
ORT
hahaha
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
does Payton mean anything?
look how good his team is now that he is gone.
Not even comparing the two, but if Orton could do 1/4 of what Payton can do as a QB then we would win 10 games a year…
Orton is just not a good QB.
by pwsbronco on Sep 13, 2011 12:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This Team is OBVIOUSLY Rebuilding
I am fine with that because it is very clear. When you are Rebuilding you play your young players to see what they have. You don’t play a journeyman QB who is below average. Orton wasn’t the only reason we lost this game but he was a BIG reason. He played horrible. There is no way you can defend him. There is no way Tebow could have played any worse then Orton. Yes the Oline played bad most of the game but they also gave Orton time a lot and when he had time he Held onto the ball to long and underthrew his WR. Tebow could have done that. Orton proved tonight he is not the answer at QB for the Broncos. We need to see what we have in Tebow. If he fails then Elway can draft His guy next year. I know one thing. If Orton plays like he did tonight the rest of the year we will be in a position to draft Andrew Luck in the draft next year
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:51 AM MDT reply actions
ask David Carr what it’s like when you throw a young QB out with a team full of dross to see what you’ve got. Maybe Orton is just a punching bag until we go all O-Line in the next draft and get stuff straightened out.
i keep dancing on my own.
Tebow is not David Carr
Orton had plenty of time to throw tonight just as much as he had defensive players in his face. Difference is Orton Folds under pressure and Tebow doesn’t. Tebow might pull it down and run to soon but he doesn’t fold under pressure like Orton does
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions
So that's it . . .
It finally comes out. You have a man-crush on Tebow. I get it now . . .
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Or he thinks Tebow gives us a better chance to win games
which is looking more and more like the case with every passing sunday watching Orton under center.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
No I don't have a man Crush on Tebow
I don’t now if Tebow is the Answer but I know Orton isn’t after seeing him play for 2 years. We need to see if Tebow can play THIS year. if he bombs the Elway can draft HIS guy and I will be fine with it
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 1:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Thats all I'm saying
give the guy a chance. We aren’t going anywhere anyway so what the hell is the point of playing Orton? It makes no sense and the franchise is just spinning its wheels at the moment.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
all we are saaaaying
is give Teebs a chance
Rahim Moore once climbed Mount Everest, Mount Kilamanjaro, and K-2 using only one bottle of oxygen and a sack of trail mix.
Also I criticize
Tebow when he deserves it just like I do when Orton Deserves it. I don’t play favorites
by gnarlybroncodude on Sep 13, 2011 1:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Tebow played behind that line last year and led a 17 point comeback. played behind that line against the no 1 rtaed defense and gave the team a chance...
Com paring Carr and Tebow is insane…he has rare intangibles and leadership skills that inspire people…..and not just team mates but the community at large.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I don’t think it’s insane to believe an inexperience QB’s development can be damaged by playing behind a crappy line. I think it’s supported by the evidence. That’s not to compare Carr to Tebow as a person or prospect though.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yes, but he IMPROVED behind that O line....and had the best stats of all our qb's in the pre-season....it does not hold water when speaking about Tebow.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Right, but cant have it both ways...he played well behind this line last season, and behind the disater that was the 2nd o line he had the best stats.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Josh Freeman
He wasn’t even considered a cream of the crop draft pick. He also went to an extremely young and bad team. Well, that seemed to turn out alright.
check category 3 here http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftquarterbackbusts.php
i keep dancing on my own.
You think that just maybe
Those QB’s busted because they weren’t good? If they had good lines they all would be the next Mannings and Bradys?
Just off of memory, most of the QBs on that list were notorious for holding on to the ball too long. They had problems knowing where to go with the ball, so it took them a lot longer to get the ball out.
Now, if you want to use that as an argument against Tebow you might have something. But you get negative points for not coming up with that on your own.
At least give Tebow the chance
I would bet he would jump on the opportunity to get his ass kicked on the field instead of sitting behind a qb that is getting his ass kicked on the field….
Yep, Tebow is really learning behind Orton. I think Tebow can go out there and get smashed just at easy…maybe… would be nice to see at least it would be more exciting and Tebow would relish the chance
Haha, David Carr??
Throw Carr out with any of the teams he’s played on and see what happens. The dude just sucked.
LOOK AT THE DRIVES!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110912007&page=plays
Each line is a drive (brackets indicate how the drive ended or stalled)
1 1st down (12 yd pass needed 15)
3 and out
3 and out
1 play (merano fumble)
1 1st down (orton 2 incompletes)
1 1st down(orton 2 inc)
1 1st down orton(int) sebass kicks 63 yd fg (thats 3 pts. thats how much we LOST by)
4 1st downs (1inc 1 sack)
2 1st downs (orton fumble)
2 1st downs (one was an oak penalty for 21yds) (orton 2 inc)
4 1st downs (orton td pass) was a good drive but it ate up 4min with only 7 min left
While reading this did you all get tired of seeing ( orton 2 inc) THIS IS WHY HE HAS STATS, BUT SUCKS. He gets a first down then (orton 2inc) and we punt. He walks off the field with 20-30yds passing and we get NOTHING out of it.
Run defense was bad against one of the best in the league. O-line wasn’t good but they did form pockets…Orton just sat for too long. Run offense was bad, but thats because we didnt run much. We got away from it and I don’t know why.
by alkatraz76 on Sep 13, 2011 12:52 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
2 good drives
one was killed by orton the last took too long, but I will give Orton credit…he padded his stats.
Did you forget a few things?
You know, like holding penalties, dropped passes, Moreno fumble, etc.? Or did you just what to bash Orton?
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
look at the 4 drive dude!
and there wasn’t a lot of dropped passes…plenty of thrown over head passes tho…I guess those arn’t Ortons fault right(wr’s should jump 10 yds in the air)
I guess that takes away from all the other team's mistakes.
Hell, any moron can see that . . .
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
You're right
There was a lot of blame to go around. But obviously Orton’s mistakes are ALL because of the rest of the team.
/sarcasm
And not the interception in teh 2 minute drill?
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
just not a winner!
We played decent defense. Doom was hurt early on and that hurt us. O line sucked on run plays, but I think they played average on pass plays… Raiders have a good D line and as was mentioned above I think if a somewhat mobile qb was back there we would have been fine. I’ll be honest, I WANT TEBOW TO START! But i have also supported orton since he’s been here… I’m sick of orton! Same o’l scrub. He just can’t win us games(on his own). Yes the line wasn’t great, but a good qb gets it done! I know its only the first week but let’s move on… Let’s at least see what we have in tebow… Even if it turns out he’s not our guy. At least we will know, and can go from there. It’s not like we are a superbowl team anyway. Let the kid play!
by cobraclutch037 on Sep 13, 2011 12:57 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Then send him back there...they need a back up.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
big deal! He is a loser in Denver
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
CHICAGO...Where Quaterbacks' careers go to die!
Why would anyone want to live in Oakland?
11-18 with the Broncos...
Thats the one that matters to me
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
Painful game and the comments here
show it. Orton wasn’t good tonight. But it’s not at all clear to me that Tebow would have given us any better chance to win. We got beat tonight by a team that’s stronger in the trenches than we are, faster all over the field, with better running backs. I really don’t think we lost this game because the Raiders’ QB was better than ours. It’s not that simple.
Just Tebow's mobility and ability to run woukld have made a difference...and a big one
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Bottom line:
Unless Orton can complete 60+% of his passes with very few turnovers and somehow learn how to convert in the RZ he does. NOT give us a better chance to win than TT. At least Tebow can compensate for the weak Oline with his mobility and he obviously knows how to convert in the RZ. The clock is ticking Rocko and AZ, your boy needs to step up against the bungles.
"as in football so in life"
"Look good, play good, play good, pay good, pay good, eat good, eat good, live good, live good, die good".........Primetime
Tebow would have been better
simply because he has more of a chance to make plays when the offensive line is struggling because of his escapablitly. Orton is better in the pocket then Tebow, but when the line can keep a solid pocket Orton’s limitations become far too evident.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
so what would be the harm in seeing if he would be better or not?
at this point it won’t be long anyway
The harm would be that you'd lose the team
Orton gave us a chance to win in the second half. Granted, he also took that chance away, but it’s not a stretch to think that we would have been blown out with Tebow at the helm. Maybe not, but if I were a betting man, I’d bet that the game would have been uglier with Tebow at QB.
…though I’m sure there are some of you that would take that bet…..
by Broncs Cheer on Sep 13, 2011 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would whole heartedly take that bet
You don’t think Tebow can complete 50% of his passes and make more plays with his feet then Orton did? Because every game that Tebow has played, Preseason, Regular season, has shown otherwise. Tebow instantly improves the run game and the pass protection because he can run, and those were our two biggest problems on offense today.
When KO isn’t accurate, as he wasn’t today, any advantage he seemingly has over Tebow is lost.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
He would make certainly more plays with his feet
And he might complete as high a percentage. But he’d also very likely misdiagnose the defense more, and turn the ball over more. I think Tebow would have been in over his head against this defense with zero running game. I’m not saying that he might possibly not have been more successful, but he also might have been worse. And I honestly don’t believe anyone can say otherwise.
by Broncs Cheer on Sep 13, 2011 1:19 AM MDT up reply actions
But does it really matter if he is worse?
If Orton can’t cut it and win these types of games then there is no justification for playing him instead of trying to develope Tim. Orton isn’t gonna get any better, and you have to believe Tebow still has a lot of room to potentially grow.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
And who is to say what a few of those runs might have turned into
We might indeed have 150 yards rushing and Tebow might have 100 of that.
And maybe if we had had a little life
The Raiders would have thought twice about never putting the ball in the air. If we are tied or ahead in that 3rd quarter, they cannot take the conservative road. You think that if Orton hadn’t fumbled that and had gotten the TD instead that the game would have been the same? No way. The urgency on the Raider sideline would have increased dramatically and Campbell would have been forced to try and make some plays (just as Orton’s situation demanded).
are you nuts?
damn these excuses must stop. What happened to taking responsibility for your job?
sure I know, it is a team effort. But he is the leader of the team. Just like a coach. if the qb can’t do his job he should be held accountable for it. Period…
I don’t know if Tebow was in there that we would have been blown out. I also don’t know that we would lose the team if we traded qb’s. that is done all the time and I have yet to see a team walk away.
this is a business and the players are professionals. They will play with whom ever is at qb. That is their job.
So Orton has had 2 years with this offense and he still is not good and he should be judged by his results. They are not very good, so move him along.
Well, if the only results you want is the W/Ls sure
Other results say he is good. But others say otherwise. It’s just a case of everyone picking the results that fits their view of the guy.
that isn't how a qb is judged
right or wrong that is what it is. Just like Brady’s stats today for having 515 passing yards. He had a 1 yard pass that was run 90 to the endzone but Brady not only gets the credit but he also gets the Win or the W.
That is how a qb is judged, by how many wins he has.
sure they also are judged by their stats but if they don’t have any wins with those stats then the Wins rule.
And then the biggest judgement is winning the super bowl. Yep that goes on theirs W column also.
Results…… that is what this is all about. being accountable for your position in the game.
And the QB is the most important position in the game as far a popularity and recognition.
Everyone knows who the QB of the team is….
I am not talking how a fan views a qb but how the FO views the QB. And I am sure that our FO doesn’t view our QB very highly.
that is my opinion obviously, but a contract with no extension, along with trying to move him from the team are pretty good indicators that Ortons life span here as a Bronco is short term. I would bet that he has a very short term if he plays one or two more games like tonight
Absolutely right!
You’re dead on. QB’s get the glory and the blame and mostly it’s deserved. I don’t know what basis anyone would have for saying Orton gave us the best chance to win in the second half. Based on what…..his first half performance with that 42 QB rating? Yes it wasn’t all his fault but a good bit of it was. He flat out walked into a couple of sacks. People talk about Tebow having “happy feet?” Orton several times jittered around instead of simply stepping straight up. He didn’t look like a 7 year vet. And that’s the problem. He usually doesn’t. The line didn’t pass block too terribly after the 1st quarter and he had much more time in the second half with the 2 back protection sets and TE’s being used. He just flat out didn’t get it done. You know what? The line is the same as last year (o-line) with the addition of Orlando Franklin being the only change.
Tebow performed better in pre-season (I know it’s preseason) with a worse line and with less playing time and pass attempts. I laugh when people say Quinn outplayed Tebow during pre-season. Wake up, people. Tebow got less playing time and 11 fewer attempts than Quinn, threw for 1 less touchdown, but had a rating of 108.3 (Better than Orton too) versus Quinn’s 69.1, threw for 310 yards versus 276, 64.5% comp ratio versus Quinn’s 52.4, and had yards per attempt of 10.0 (Again better than Orton) versus Quinn’s 6.6 yards per attempt. How did Quinn do better? Yeah, during the Buffalo game when he played more than 2 full quarters and Tebow got 2 whole pass attempts and throwing for more yards when he basically played a full half? Not even many more yards.
Bottom line, I think the FO is sticking with Orton at least at first since they’re stuck with him and paying him $9 million for the year. He needs to be on a REAL short leash though. I’m sure he’ll have a good or decent game or two coming up but bottom line, they need to make the switch during the bye week at the latest unless Orton truly starts playing very well. And I mean playing well as opposed to getting some yards against a team comfortably ahead. Based on past performances which is all we have to go on, last night was a fairly common performance for Orton while Tebow would be likely to perform much better. Just based on what we’ve seen in both’s limited history with the Broncos during regular and pre-season. That’s all we have to go on so leave Chicago and college out of it. Orton doesn’t play well in Denver, regardless of the stats. Tebow keeps the team in the game and the team is more spirited, regardless of the stats. Also, from what we’ve seen so far, Tebow is improved considerably this year, while Orton is the same and perhaps has regressed some. That’s just what we see so far.
Yes this is one game, but it was so horrible it warrants serious consideration as far as making changes. Orton wasn’t the sole problem, but the game was greatly affected in a negative way by many plays he did not make and errors he generated. There just isn’t an excuse for that from an established veteran who is supposedly the team’s best chance to win. The Broncos were very lucky that Orton wasn’t intercepted more than the one time. At least one other pass definitely should have been picked off and a couple of other throws certainly could have been as well. They need to see what they’ve got while trying to win as many games as possible so they can comfortably set a course for next year as well as satisfying their fan base which has, rightfully so, become suspicious and mistrustful.
I don’t think the world is ending, but if the QB play isn’t greatly improved next week, Cedric Benson will run the Bengals to another victory against Denver. The defense is improved and about where I thought they’d be at pretty much the middle of the pack in the NFL, but they can’t overcome a really good running back and what teams build off of that all on their own without some kind of consistency and production on offense.
Bottomline..a terrible start, with plenty of blame to go around!
As our QB, Orton should get his FAIR share.
by rocko1 on Sep 13, 2011 1:01 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I don’t think anyone feels that it is ONLY Orton’s fault, but he is the easiest player to single out because the D-line and O-line aren’t limited to any one player.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
Sometimes a QB
has to take a team on his shoulders and win a game. I’ve yet to see any evidence that KO will ever be capable of this, and since we are a rebuilding team anyway it makes zero sense to start a guy at QB that we all know won’t be back next year.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
And we knew the D-Line was going to struggle
Or we should have. We knew Allen would have to get creative to keep them under control. 23 is not an overwhelming number of points. We expected our “very good” and “on pace to break records” QB that got THUMPED last year, is in a contract year, and just got a nice show of faith from our HC, and FO to show some balls and make some plays. There were a variety of results on each play. Some were bad protection. Some were KO being immobile. Some were dropped passes. Hell, one was KO flat out running for the first down (I still think Tebow switched Jerseys, but Tebow would not have slid). However, there were bad picks, errant passes (even with good protection) and that horrid fumble during crunch time. These are the things that QBs get paid for and they need to produce. Not producing makes you have to accept fault for losing. Doing that consistently makes you a poor QB… 9Mil aint that much for a starting QB, but the rest of the league knows what we know… Orton aint it.
And to be fair
KO did make a few solid passes. There were a couple of slants and a couple of lasers on the outs. But a handful of good plays stacked up against many more poor plays AND wilting in the big moments… not enough… or rather too much Orton of old
Totally agree
If KO isn’t showing that he is capable of leading us to the playoffs then it is a lost season anyway and we need to play for the damn future. I don’t understand why anyone is opposed to this anymore.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
Well as much as I hate it
I expect to have to suffer through more of this for a whie (and then suffer more with a new young gun making mistakes from inexperience). I doubt Fox will be ready to throw in the towel on the Orton experiment just yet. It is just one game. Orton lost my faith in this game last year and he has not earned it back, but Fox was not here for that (or any of the other), so I doubt it will happen for a while.
Believe me
I’m not holding my breath. There is no way Orton doesn’t start next game, and I don’t wanna root against the guy but at this point he is only hurting the team because the Tebow thing ain’t going away until he is traded or given a chance to succeed or fail. I want the Broncos to win, but I also want them to develop, and since we aren’t making the playoffs anyway this is already a wasted season in my book, so there is zero reason to suffer through any more KO mediocrity.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
what is ironic
is all the talk about Tebow’s problems are that he has difficulty taking the snap from center. I did not count it, but it seemed like Orton was in shotgun about 70-80% of the time, especially late. Maybe that “weakness” is overblown?
Bottom line
We looked too much like last year. If we have to wait until we are 3-10 again, I am going to vomit.
1 for 3
Is all you need to know about Kyle Orton. Three redzone opportunities, 21 points possible, he leads our team to 13.
Driving to close the half with maybe a FG, he throws an interception
Driving to score a likely touchdown he pulls a Jay Cutler and fumbles as he throws
I count at least 18 points the offense—-mainly because of Kyle Orton—-left out there.
Screw this guy I’m tired of watching it week after week after week, this brand of offensive football and quarterbacking sucks, plain and simple. Our defense might have been gauged on the ground, but they actually did the best with what their offense handed them.
There are many problems that still exist on this team.
Kyle Orton is definitely one of the most glaring.
by Bronco Mike on Sep 13, 2011 1:02 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
He is terrible.
I’ve been saying it since last season. Honestly, it is exhausting anymore, this whole QB thing. If the guys in charge can’t see that Orton just isn’t the answer, I don’t know what else to really say or do. The only thing I have control over is whether or not I watch the games. The thing is, do you really think anyone of EFX gives a rats’ ass if I stop watching? Of course they don’t. And of course I can’t stop watching because I love my team, as I always have. It’s just very difficult to watch them right now. Not with how they are playing, and frankly with the direction we still appear to be heading in. And that is why I’m so fkn frustrated. What is a fan to do.
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Never in my life has a QB been so questioned (disliked) in Denver...
With Brian Greise there at the end, it was bad… But man, this Orton deal takes the cake.
J
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Agreed...crazy deal....just our team deserves more...nad he has been our worst starter in a long time
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59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
And he shows he doesn't get it
with stupid comments like “spilled milk”. This is the Raiders. I would not have been too shocked to see JE jump out of the box and run on the field and punch one of them in the mouth. Anyone that plays for Denver should KNOW they HATE the Raiders. This is never some patitude like “spilled milk”.
And he can make it all go away by playing some competent ball when we need it the most.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 1:17 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent point!
It’s entirely in his hands…. But he can’t keep S-ing the B in the RZ like that.
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The awful game played by the entire team
and all some of you can blame is Orton. You are pitiful. I’m out of here.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
LOTS OF PLAYERS ON BOTH OUR OFFENSE AND DEFENSE MADE MISTAKES
But like I pointed out, Orton’s MANY cost us anywhere from 6-18 points more. We lost by three. When his mistakes take points off the board, especially when it happens repeatedly, it is very easy to point out and he is easily the one that deserves the most blame.
by Bronco Mike on Sep 13, 2011 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 1:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Keep making up excuses
Its not Orton’s fault, it was the ________. When is he to take the blame for the INT and dropped ball?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
I have already given Orton the blame for the interception and dropped ball. But maybe you just place ALLLLLLLLLLL the blame on Orton? Is that it? Because what I said was the entire team played a bad game. So, is your accusation of “making up excuses” a form of denial on your part because of your hate for Orton?
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Dont hate him
just want to see him gone. He hangs onto the ball, even takes the sack, we come away with 3 game goes into OT. I could live with that. He completes to wide open Fells, comes away with 7 we come away with a W. See how that works? So yes, I do place all of the blame on Orton, not because I hate him, hell I dont even know him personally, but because he turned the ball over during a crucial moment
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
I was hoping for a VonDoom KABOOM!
…but all we got was Kyle Orton Kersplat…
J
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by Jezru on Sep 13, 2011 1:18 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
they only threw 22 passes of which I bet half were less than three yards downfield.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yep
hard to accumulate sacks when the middle of the line can’t keep containment and the other team doesn’t need to throw to win.
The 2012 Colorado Rockies, hopefully with less Jim Tracy and Ian Stewart.
Orton > Tebow (except for inside the redzone, outside the pocket, and with any significant pressure)
Dunno if there was magic in those ugly brown-n-yellows
but I cannot remember a time since those that Ort has led a 4th quarter game winning drive….hell, maybe even a 3rd quarter game clincher
Colquitt, Decker and Dawkins deserve our appreciation
We have to find some positives to build on. Fells also did good, considering he wasn’t considered much of a receiving threat.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
I saw one drop, but Otherwise Royal had a solid game
Same goes for Lloyd, I think. That fumble was scary and at just as bad a time as KOs, but somehow he got lucky. That fumble would have sucked had we lost it, but other than that, I think his game was OK.
Mcgahee had limited touches, but did OK with those
Moreno looked OK out of the backfield (kind like Bush in space).
I think all the Kick Offs were touchbacks, right?
We did not allow any big returns on our punts
We were still in the game late, despite 3 turnovers and a blocked punt
That’s a positive I think…
Good blitz pickups by Moreno as well. I only fault him on that 1 bad run (and the fumble), really – he never had anywhere to run on any rushing attempt. So, given the limitations, he wasn’t too bad.
Positives: Moreno can block (great blitz pickup) and catch (very good runs after the catch on 2 occasions I saw). Same with McGahee. Von Miller is great – even if he didn’t get a sack. Kudos to him. Dawk was everywhere – huge 3rd down stops, big hits. Decker – punt return made me go ahhhhh. Nice catches as well. Nice hops too. Colquitt… 66 yds to the 1. Very nice.
Negatives – Turnovers. blocked punt – blame to both bad blocking and Colquitt was slow getting it out I believe. Running game was horrible, awful – no adjective seems strong enough for how bad it was. Penalties – especially really really stupid ones. Gave them at least 10 pts in penalties (the FG at the end of the half especially). Run D was terrible. Nobody could hold on to that stupid wet ball. And the weather was against us, I swear. Oak’s 63 yarder seemed in much less rain than Praeter’s 56 yarder. The weather always seemed to get worse right when we needed to score. Red Zone Offense was not good.
It was a good game
I am happy with the defense. It felt like we were having trouble setting the edge on the run. The raiders offensive coordinator called a good game as well. They had us confused with the pass and the draw plays. I did not expect us to stop the run or be really good at it especially when the defense has not had a lot of time to gel together.
The offense needs to put in a lot more work. They are much better than what we saw today. Raiders basically made us one dimensional and then played coverage. Plus, I cannot remember how many times I saw dropped passes. The raiders front four was pretty good as well.
This was a team that needed a longer offseason and did not have one. Well it is a long road ahead and this is was the first game. We came close.
In football, momentum is everything
Yes, the Moreno fumble sucked……. indeed, the blocked punt stunk to high heavens……. but……. none hurt worse, none stuck the killing dagger in the jugular of the mighty Bronco worse than Kyle Orton’s knock-kneed, my bad, goofy arse gimme!!!! When Moreno fumbled, it was early, we hadn’t really established momentum….. same with the blocked punt. But when Orton threw that rookie looking pick and laid the ball at the feet of a Raider, we had momentum in our favor and a chance to stomp on the throat of our hated nemesis!!! When the momentum shifts that quick from your favor to your undoing…… it is an absolute game killer!!!!! Thanks Kyle, you played like an UDFA rookie!!!! I am SUPER pissed at Clady and co. as well!!!!! What happened to the secret service O-Line in Denver? When Shanny left….. the O-Line followed. Ryan Clady looked every bit as bad as Franklin….. ALL GAME LONG!!!! Sheesh!!!
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by PaleHorse78 on Sep 13, 2011 1:48 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Really wondering if we should draft a RB in the first 3 rounds?
Moreno looks like a serviceable 3rd down RB with his receiving and blocking and McGahee is a smasher, but we need a breakaway threat. Plus, McGahee is in his 8th year and RBs just don’t have very much shelf life. I don’t see anything wrong with investing in a young pair of legs in the backfield next year.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
Where O Where did our beloved team go??
Seriously, i was expecting a way different looking team than what i saw last night. Our Oline play was terrible with penalties and somehow they forgot how to block people most of the time. WR’s Decker was a stud and everyone else was decent. Running game non-existent Mcgahee and Moreno played poorly in all facets of the game. Moreno fumbled and had a dropped pass and i do believe Mcgahee dropped a couple passes himself and almost lost a fumble. Kyle Orton, where the heck do you start, first off he locks into Lloyd all the time, he didn’t finally spread the ball around until the last drive when Lloyd was not in the game and we drove down the field scored a TD. To me it looked like if Lloyd was double covered Orton didn’t know where to go with the football, first read nothing there PANIC!!! Did it a couple of times to Fells also, first read not there Panic because the back or checkdown had to help block. Orton showed some emotion on the sideline and it seemed no one responded to his emotion, because they didn’t come out strong the next series, then it was back to ho hum emotionless orton. If our so called veteran leaders are so behind Orton why in the world do you not see more passion coming from the offensive side of the ball???’
DLine again is porous and with that it’s only so much our linebackers can do. BDawk was huge in many cases tonight for our D, even after 16 years still is the emotional leader on the Defense. Overall, our defense was decent, there were a few runs that got away from us and then by the end of the game when we needed them the most they were gassed from playing so many minutes on the first week without playing a whole game(being in game shape) and shortened OTA’s(I know excuses excuses). I’m still hopeful that our Dline will come together and be average to let our linebacking corp use their speed instead of get balled up because the opposing teams Oline gets to the second level all the time.
If as a whole team we cut down on stupid stupid penalties, i do believe we would’ve somehow pulled this game out even with our offenses crappy play, because the raiders are not the greatest football team. If we play like this, which i’m hoping this was just an aberation, It will be a long season for us bronco faithful.
GO BRONCOS!!!
Just "spilled milk", folks.....
I only question one thing with Kyle Orton. I don’t question his toughness (guy took a ton of hits last night) and I saw some passion, but what I don’t see is heart.
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by mdierk on Sep 13, 2011 8:55 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you...on the field I saw too many slumped shoulders on offense under his leadership
This was when the game was still in question. Made me sick.
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Where was the enthusiasm on offense?
The offense seemed to vote on the QB issued with their attitude. They played like a team that new their QB was going to lose the game for them and he did.
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by PokyID_Fan on Sep 13, 2011 10:00 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
post should have read
The offense seemed to vote on the QB issued with their attitude. They played like a team that knew their QB was going to lose the game for them and he did.
Richard Antill - Fan in Poky Idaho
Well said Rickklaw, and I concur...
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by rubincarterrocks on Sep 13, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
A bit off-topic, but I need to get this off my chest....
was anybody else sick of the announcers last night? What is up with the national media that they love to talk about how great the Raiders are and how talented they are but they “make too many mental mistakes”. I hear this over and over the past 10 years and I have seen just a mediocre (talent-wise) team, with a strong running back contingent and a few talented individual players. This is the definition of average to below average in the NFL. Al Davis must be like emperor in Star Wars and holds some weird kinda mind control on the National media. I just don’t see what they are trying to make me see…. is it just me? The raiders have an average (at best) journeyman QB, great RBs, slightly above average D line, below average DBs and LBs… they have an average OL (Cooper Carslile starts for them for crying out loud!) average WRs, great KK and Punter, what about this team deserves the kind of accolades and optimism that they blather out about them?
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by rubincarterrocks on Sep 13, 2011 10:23 AM MDT reply actions
No Spark
That was the sloppest game of football, I expect that from the Raders but not from the Broncos! That team lacked spark they were not crisp. Orton had NO spark but rathered sputtered. Our first round draft pick of a running back look more like a un drafted free agent siging that did just enough to make the team. The defense supttered more than sparked and so did special teams. Each had their moments Deckers return, Millers forced fumble, and the offence? hard to find a real spark! Where was our pass rush, lost in the lack of ability to stop the run? Where was our ability to protect the QB, lost in the lack of ability to run the ball? The team knows it needs a good DT yet we stick our heads in the sand a pretend it is not a problem? This teams needs to find its leaders on the field not in words but in effert and play. Hard to start a fire with no spark! I expected what the Raiders showed sloppy undisaplined football but I expect more out of the Broncos! Very concerned or might as well wait untill next year for a little “Luck?”
I wonder if the same crowd that booed Kyle Orton when he struggled and chanted Tebow! Tebow! with sadistic glee would turn around and do the same to Tim Tebow when he takes a sack on a crucial 3rd and 6, throws one at the feet of a wide open receiver or floats one into double coverage that gets picked or a receiver hurt? Nah…I bet not.
No excuses for Kyle Orton and the errors he made but I seriously doubt that #15 would have been doing much more that picking himself up off the ground in the backfield or taking some heavy hits trying to run the ball with the matadors imitating O-Linemen in the orange jerseys pretending to pass and run block.
…and yes, the announcers last night were annoying as hell. Especially Trent Dilfer and his know-it-all syndrome.
I was at the game last night.....
I was on the north side of the field, 17th row up, so I couldn’t see the plays on the south end, but I lost COUNT of the times Orton locked on to his first read and never went through his progressions. There was one play early on in the game where Moreno was motioned out wide to Orton’s right with a LINEBACKER covering him…..Orton never even glanced his way pre-snap to see who was covering him. Instead he locked on to his first read and threw into what looked like double coverage for an incompletion. If Orton isn’t going to use his experience and go through his progressions on a more regular basis, then we might as well put Tebow in. Trust me, I would rather have Tebow have more “seasoning”, but if Orton continues to play like this, I would rather have some excitement along with the loss, than watching that again!!
I would hope that we expect more from a 7 year seasoned vet.
Tebow will take his blows and make his mistakes but he would also be expected to as he would be gaining experience.
If Tebow was a 7 year vet then yes I would be chanting for the next QB to take over. This is not what a vet QB is to play like.
And comparing a 7 year vet in Orton to a Qb that only played in 3 games speaks great volumns about the lack of ability in Orton….
Pretty Sick..
This was hard to watch mainly because we had so many opportunities to win this game and left points out on the field. Prater missed the 56 yarder (no gimme), The Orton pick before half time that led to the record tying field goal by Janikowski (ugh), The Orton fumble at the 24, The holding and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties killed us. There are plenty of things to look at but it looked like we left it least 10 points out there and countless yards in penalties.
I guess I can look at it as it took the Raiders setting history in the kicking game to beat us, but it still disgusts me to know his name will be with Elam’s
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