Key match-ups: Bengals @ Broncos - week 2
I don't know about you guys, but I'm done with those MNF discussions, because they always end with an Orton vs Tebow rant. I was dizzy after that loss. I hate to lose... even more for the Raiders, at home, on a MNF, having my offensive line hammered, etc etc... Ok, now we must let it go and think about our next game.
After some folks' suggestion, I'll try to load myself on the job of making this new series "Key match-ups" to post every week. So here we go with the week 2 one, to think about what are the offense and defense key match-ups for the Broncos to win this game. We started 0-1 and I guess this is a good oportunity to recover and have a 1-1 record after Sunday. Follow me after the jump and let's think on it together.
Offense key match-up: Julius Thomas + Daniel Fells vs Manny Lawson + Thomas Howard
Last year, the Bengals were the 27th best defense against passes, what means the 6th worst one. So how can we take some benefit on it? Passing. To do it effectivelly, it's better if we can establish a running game to take off the pressure over Kyle Orton shoulders. This is not an easy job, as they also were the 9th best defense against rushing.
Rey Maualuga, their MLB, is in his 3rd season and he looks to be a stud tackler mike. Of those players who remain in Cincinnati, he is the one who led team tackles with 44-31 and 1.0 sack last season. He will help a lot the job of their interior defensive lineman. Geno Atkins, the DT, is in his second year and in 2010 he made 10-6 tackles and 3.0 sacks. Domata Peko, the NT, is an experienced guy who is playing his 6th season for the Bengals. In his best year (2008), he made 29-38 tackles and 0.5 sacks playing all the 16 games. He is their key to stop the middle running plays.
Knowing how good their defense can be to stop our new rushing offense, we must explore their linebackers to pass. Their both OLBs are not very good dropping into cover. Manny Lawson, the sam, had his best season defending 6 passes in the last year (playing for the niners), and he had just 1 interception. Thomas Howard, the will, is an old known guy here in Denver, because he played 5 seasons for the Raiders. However, he seems to have had a big fall on his production against the passes, after a great season defending 11 in 2007.
My conclusion: It's clear that the Bengals' strenghness is stopping the runs. Our major chance to win is exploring it with our fast and good handed tight ends. They can move with great speed and make some plays. They are both athletic players who can cause a lot of trouble to their linebackers. I put us in a big advantage here.
Defense key match-up: Joe Mays vs Cedric Benson
The running back Cedric Benson is in his 4th season with the Bengals. He had 321 rushing attempts for 1111 total yds gained in 2010, resulting in 3.5 ypc. As the head coach Marvin Lewis is not a dumb, he watched our game against Oakland and saw how bad we were against the run. So it's obvious he will try to do the same and explore our weakness. He knows this is what gives them their best chance to win, thus we must expect them to run a lot. By the way, I think almost everybody of our entire schedule will try to do it against us.
Ok, now why did I put Joe Mays loaded onto the job of stopping Benson? It's never too much to explain that this is a job that involves all the defense. It's a mentality where every single player must know they need to be agreesive and attack the offense, instead of just expecting what moves they will do, to then react. So why Joe Mays? Because althought the fact that he and Brian Dawkins are the more agressive players of our defense, I think he played very poorly last game. He missed a lot of gaps and tackles, and looked more lost than the other players imo. So that's why I expect HIM to recover from a bad performance and play well at this job on sunday. He is also a big hitter and can put some fear on Benson's eyes.
My conclusion: We don't know if Andy Dalton will be healthy to play, but he probably will. He is a rookie and if we force him to pass, he is like to make some mistakes and we gain more advantage from our nice defense against the passes. Doom / Hunter and Von Miller are supposed to make some plays and they won't be able to gain much territory passing. The biggest profit here are the turnovers (interceptions) that a rookie is expected to throw when pressured. So if we can stop the runs, they will have to throw... and then we can defend ourselves properly. I put us in a little disadvantage here.
With all this pointed, I think we have a big chance to win this game and have some peace in Denver. And you folks, what do you think are the offense and defense key match-ups for us to beat the Bengals?
GO BRONCOS!
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Good insight
I think Denver must make a commitment to stopping the run on defense. If we can stop the run and force teams into long third down situations, then we can let Dumervil and Miller lead the pass rush and force many fourth downs. Our corners are good enough that we can allow them to play press coverage on the outside, so even if we stack the box on first and second down, we would still be protected against the big play.
On offense, I hope we run the ball. John Fox was “run-oriented”, but we passed at least twice as much as we ran the ball on monday (even though we were down for most of the game). Still, the mentality should be pound the rock and get the offense into manageable third down situations, avoiding mental mistakes, including penalties.
I also like the matchup between Champ Bailey and AJ Green. This could be very interesting; Green looked good against Cleveland, so I would pay some attention to this matchup, no matter who is throwing the ball for Cincinnati.
I think that on offense, it’s a battle between the lines. We need a good interior push to move the chains for this game, and pretty much every game this year. Our young offensive line against an experienced Cincy d-line worries me, but hopefully the veterans on the line can be game-changers.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Thank you, bh
And yes… if the entire defense is not commited to stop the runs, we will have no success at this task. It’s not easy, it’s our weakness… and that’s why we must focus on it. I hope they are making some progress about it during the week.
I hope Dumervil plays.. but only if he is 100% ready. If not, Jason Hunter was one of the few who had a good night on monday. He and Miller is a very great duo too, a little below than the Doom and Miller duo.
It’s very reassuring to have a good corp of CBs, althought Goodman is not a good tackler. And also count on Rahim Moore covering the big playes are a good point to take it easy. Unfortunately we don’t know if Bailey will be healthy to play. We hope so, but I don’t know if AJ Green was THAT good. Actually it was Jermaine Gresham who led the team receivings with 6 for 58yds. AJ Green made only 1 and great catch for 41yds. I think they will use him more as a big play receiver at all.
By the way, let’s hope to have some peace back in Denver. We all know that for now, the QB situation won’t change… and all the points about this rant have been discussed at the limit. It’s time to take care of all the other positions….
I bleed Orange & Blue.
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I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 15, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Hi guys, Bengals fan here. Please, I am here to talk football not smack. Peace!
I mad another response in an earlier thread where I tried to describe the match up. There are only a few points I would like to make. Dumerville is out according to the reports and you have some key injuries. With all of these guys healthy – no doubt you are the better team right now. Talent wise I think it is about a draw – but your team is a bit more seasoned IMO.
Y es, the author is correct. Our biggest defensive weakness is probably in the 8-15 yard territory, we are better there than was were last year but we still have vulnerability against TEs and slot receivers coming across the middle. We also have a tentancy to blow coverage on at least one or two deep balls. As for the run, here again the author is correct, you will find the going pretty tough. I expect it is very possible that we will be a top 10 defense this year and our run D will be a main reason for it. The division we are in pretty well demands it. Your biggest problem will be that we do not need to load the box to do it. Seven in the box is quite sufficient against all but the most potent run offenses. I expect Orton to complete a couple – maybe three – long passes, if your Oline can hold off what is probably the best Dline we have had in 20 years. The backups are not a significant drop off so we can rotate and still be fresh. We will hit Orton hard and often. He will need to get the ball out quickly . He will not have 5 seconds to throw it very often
On offense you may be wrong to think that Dalton, who will be starting, being a rookie will be careless with the ball. One of the pleasant surprises for us has been that Dalton does not handle himself like rookie. He is calm, decisive and accurate. Gresham, our TE, is a real beast. LBs cannot cover him and he catches everything. Shipley seems to always find a way to be open and he was the rookie receiver with the most catches last year. He has zero drops as a Bengal. Green, he is a super athlete but I am a bit disappointed that he has not caught what I consider catchable passes. Simpson and Caldwell would be #2 or #3 on a lot of teams. They are very steady and dependable. All of our WRs also pride themselves in the blocking downfield.
Our Oline is very god in their run blocking and Benson is not the only RB who can hurt you. Benson, Scott and Leonard are all totally different style runners and our FB Prressley is not a ball carrying threat but is a devistating run blocker.
Okay, I have said a lot of good things about our team, and you should listen because what I say is true to the best of my knowledge. So why, you may ask, do I think the Broncos can win this game. Because I think your team is better than many here on this board seems to think they are. Orton, when he is on, can be a very good QB. You have a good TE and a couple of receivers that can hurt us. You DL can do some damage as well even without Dumerville and your corners are good. Plus, okay, I will say it. We are the Bengals and it seems we somehow find a way to blow it – especially when playing Denver – do you remember a guy named Stokley – we do. Plus, we have a lot of new guys in new positions and we have not gelled yet. Nobody knows how good or bad we can be. If we are as good as I hope – we win. If we are as bad as I fear we may be – we lose. This is going to be a hard fought victory for whoever wins. My prediction, being a Bengals fan is 27-24 Bengals – but it could just as easily be the other way around. Whoever makes one more mistake loses.
Sorry for the long post but I had a lot to say. Good luck on the injury front. I hope al of your injured players recover fully to play – just not this weekend. We need all the help we can get.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
After reading the line
“We are the Bengals and it seems we somehow find a way to blow it”
All I can say is you have my sympathy (some sympathy, not a lot;).
organizationally snake-bitten
might be a nicer way to say, mike brown. loved his father paul, his son, most of cincy’s fans pray for the day mike retires. nothing like an owner that has turned his team into the nfl’s version of the cubs..
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
Ok, let's talk JJ
First of all, you’re welcome here for us to discuss about football. Thank you for your class and friendly talk. It’s always nice, at least for me, to have the opposite points of view.
I’m glad to have made a correct analyze of your Defense. I agree with you when you say that you don’t need to load the box to stop the runs, because your front-7 do this job properly. I wish a lot that we can reach this excelence at this task without the need of putting Dawkins/Carter there on the box. For now, we are not being able to stop the runs neither loading the box. Your LBs are very good against the run, and this is way you are better than us on it.
I just disagree with you about your expectation of 2 or 3 long balls from Kyle Orton. He is not that type of player. Any franchise we face now fears those big passes from Kyle. I don’t know why, if he is not safe to take risks or what happens, but he just doesn’t throw too long passes. Brandon Lloyd is a great catcher, but we don’t know if we will be healthy to play. If he don’t play, I guess Kyle will try no long balls.
Our strengh when passing is to use Decker’s ability to catch in the middle, added with slot crosses from Eddie Royal, and our TEs quick routes. I just hope our OL can hold you to give enough time for Kyle to throw. He is not avoiding sacks…. Could you please describe more your “best defensive line of the last 20 years”? I really don’t know what to expect about it. We were hammered by the top-tier defensive line of the Raiders and I don’t want to see it happening again.
About Dalton, I dont think he will not care with the ball, JJ. But we all know that rookie QBs are more inclinable to make mistakes. If our defensive line can put enough pressure on him, he can throw bad passes and make a few turnovers against our great pass-against defense.
Your are completely right about Gresham. He led your team receivings with 6 for 58yds. And this is a strong point you have that the Broncos really need to take care. However, when we think the WR (plus TE Gresham) like a unit, I grade you just in average of the league. I guess our defense will be able to handle them very fine… specially if Bailey can play and cover your slot.
Thiniking your HBs as a unit how you pointed, I do think you can hurt us a lot with them because they are a great group. When you imagine how bad our defense looked against DMF and the Oakland’s biggest strengh, we fear that every single team will run a lot against the Broncos. Unfortunately, some of those franchises have a great rushing game, and I think this is this scenario for this game. It’s a key point here.
By the way, you made a great post here on this article… We are in agreenment on almost everything, including when thinking the Broncos are a little better on the board and so have a few advantage to win this game. Consider yourself invited to talk everytime you want to, and don’t care about long or short comments. Thank you for the adds here.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 16, 2011 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Fabio, This I think is the proper use of team discussion boards. I am not always welcome
on other opponents boards. Thank you for your consideration.
As far as the long passes from Orton, I hope you are right, but though we play a pretty solid though not stellar pass D we always seem to find at least one ot two plays where the only person on the TV screeen is an opposing WR catching a ball and digging for a 50 yd. gain because of a blown coverage. Frankly that is my biggest concern with your O.
As for the “best DL in 20 years” comment, I think, and most agree with me that this is the fastest, most powerful, deepest front four since the WEB defense of WHitley, Edwards and Browner in the early 80’s (I think). We have 8 guys whose abilities are so close that we will always have fresh and talented legs on the DL without a real dropoff in their ability to stop the run or rush the Passer. Peko is very solid. Johnson is tall fast and agressive. Dunlap is a beast. Sims, Fanenne and the others are all good. I think it is the strongest unit on the field for our D – or O for that matter. All eight had stats in the Cleveland with hits on the QB, hurries, blocked passes or sacks. They are proving to be relentless and determined players with a chip on their shoulder place there by the disrespect that has been heaped on the team. They have said publicly that they are all committed to carrying this team on their shoulders as aclose knit unit. Hell. nobody knoes how good they can be but it entirely possible that they will be one of the top 4-5 DLs by the end of the year. You cannot key on one as they all can get to you. They stuffed Hillis, the Madden cover guy, for 57 total yards and less than 3 yds per carry. The frightening, and encouraging thing is all but one are 25 years old or less and havn’t really gelled yet. As you can probably tell, I am very stoked about their potential. But, alas that is potential that has not yet been realized so we will see.
If you watch the game film in Cleveland last week and don’t think about Dalton as a rookie you will find that he handled himself like a vet. Cool in the pocket and calm in his approach. Yea, he is still a rookie, but the one thing that impressed me was that though he made rookie mistakes in the PS he didn’t repeat the same ones. He goes thru his peogression and finds the guy he wants to throw to and gets the ball there with surprising velocity and accuracy for a rookie. He has a very good pump fake that can freeze DBs and disguises the screen very well. I would not trade Dalton for any of the QBs in the last dtaft and that includes Newton. I would also not want Carson back if he came into the stadium and begged for his job.
Another place we really excell is in the kicking department. I would not be surprised to see punts approaching 65-70 yards in the rarified air of Denver. He kicked a 65 yapd punt in the rain in PS. Our FG kicker hit a 55 yarder right down the middle that would have been good from 65 yards. I also don’t think there will be too many KO returns in the game either.
LOL, I am sure you think I believe thru my post that I think we a re world beaters. Nothing could be further from the truth. You have a team that can beat us, but if you don’t play better than last week you may be in trouble. All of this talk about the Bengals being an easy win on the schedule may not pan out the way mant teams have hoped. My Bengals homeristic fan prediction of 27 – 24 stands but, like I said we are still the Bengals until they prove otherwise to me on the field. It would not surprise me if you win at all. This is not a must win game for us. It is a must learn game for a young team who I expect a lot from next year after filling in a couple of weak areas. I get the impression that it really is a must win for you guys. From what I hear Orton will have to sleep in the locker room because he will be taking his life in his hands leaving if he loses this game. That is a lot of pressure. We will just have to see how he responds.
I would like to take this opprotunity to invite you to come to the Cincy Jungle board and fill us in on your team and what we can expect this Sunday. Of course, every team board has their di*kheads but I am sure you will be welcomed with open arms by all but a few.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Bad news
Ok, now you gave us some bad news. If your defensive line is that good, we are sold. If they can rush the passes at least only a little worse than Oakland’s, will you have everything you need to win that game. I know your interior defensive line is very strong defending the rushing game, as I pointed on the article… but I hope that you are not very good rushing the passer, and this is a point that I really don’t know about your team and so I believe you and consider it the worst possible news about Sunday’s game.
About Dalton, frankly I didn’t like him very much. I watched his College Bowl game (I don’t remember which one he played) and I tought him very raw. The QB I thought that had the biggest upside this year was Jake Locker. And let’s admit, this was a very weak year for taking a QB. I don’t dislike the Bengals, so I hope I fount the QB you were looking for. This is a very rant topic, as you can see taking a look on 90% of the fanposts here at MHR. Our fan base is discussing it for months… and I’m done about it. I’ve had enough.
By the way, I’m going to your blog so we can point a few more about the Broncos there. I’m not a staffer, or a specialist on nothing, but I’m a passionate fan who considers myself a student of the game. Thank you for the adds here, specially about your DLine.
And still in time, I hope you hit the score in the middle of the target… LOL
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 16, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I have enjoyed the time here Fabio, as ell as your cordiality.
Obviously we are both passionate about out teams and that is the way it should be. But, after the TDs are scored and the games are won or lost I want you and the other members here to know that we are really all part of the same team. I am a former soldier who spent several years in combat. I fought for you and your family as much as I did for my own. We are all American brothers and we must never forget that, especially in these turbulent times. Peace, JJ
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I make mine your words, John
Thank you for your thoughts.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 17, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
JJ dont think you have any worries here
everyone here is more interested in the game sunday than smack. cincy fans are accustomed to the ravens/steelers fans, so we tend enter other team’s sites cautiously.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
There a couple more blogs
where the fans dont have enough education to discuss football… Specially those about our biggest rivals.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 17, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Bless their pointed little heads.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
BTW, forgive my misspellings and the like. I have an eye condition eyeglasses don't help.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
No matter who the quarterback is this week
I just want to see more running plays!!!
Hopefully Fox won’t give up on the running game quite as quickly as he did last week. I actually think that would go a long way toward giving us a better chance of winning the game.
Yes, I hope so
Our offensive playcallings didn’t match with EFX told us. They told us that our offense would be a balanced one, and it wasn’t.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 16, 2011 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions
both sets of fans may get what they want, this game could feature 60+ carries from both teams. cincy’s gameplan is all about running the ball 30+ times per game this season. if denver does the same on sunday, we’re going to watch an old style pound the pig game.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
I think this very unlike, pale
Denver struggled a lot carrying the ball last monday. Our front-office plan to have a more balanced offense beetwen passing and rushing, but unfortunately this wasn’t what we saw on the season opener. And btw, I guess is much more profitable for the Broncos with we give enough time to Kyle explore your Linebackers’ lack in coverage. We have fast, strong and good handed tight ends, and this is the key to make you some trouble. If we depend on having a good rushing game, we have no chance. First because we struggle a lot at this task, and second because your defense is really good stopping it.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 17, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Wishful thinking Fabio...
Our offense is our Achilles Heel right now and if they struggle on the first 4 drives we will lose this game…They cannot treat this game like the did Oakland’s, Benson and their offense will run all over us and set the temple for the end. Our running game has made us once again one dimensional and I don’t see them fixing it in 6 days especially now that Moreno is hobbled…We lose another heartbreaker at home and that is the season folks…
bfree2bronc
After a terrible performance on monday, I think anybody here have some concrete arguments to say the contrary of this.
But if we can set Kyle to explore their LB pass defending weakness with our fast and good handed TEs, then we have a good chance to win. It’s impossible to predict how it will, or if it will work. But if so, our defense can have the same performance of week1 and we can still win.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 16, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is...
If our offense and Kyle Orton play like they did Monday, we will have as much chance as a one-legged man winning a ass-kicking contest…Can’t win when so much negativity is swirling around the offense. They clearly didn’t have their heads in the game at times and the focus to make plays was gone…I don’t see them miraculously finding that rhythm in 6 days of film watching and practice…This team is terrible on offense with no real answers.
by bfree2bronc on Sep 16, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
After the review made by JungleJohn above,
we don’t have some good news. If their defensive line is really that good, we are done again. For me it were clearly the two points that put an end on our possibilities on last monday: Our OL was hammered for the whole night AND our D didn’t stop the rushing game.
If the Bengals have their biggest strenghs on these two points, we are in some trouble. I’ll try to develop this reasoning a bit more later when I leave the office and have some time, to reply him there.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 16, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
wouldnt write the season off that quickly
cincy hasn’t won in denver in 36 years. cincy’s 2-11 all-time in denver. only team cincy has a worse road record against is the raiders (1-14 in oakland/la).
and theres the rebound factor, teams that win big games tend to lose the following week. and teams that lose big games tend to win the following week. cincy just beat one of its biggest rivals in week 1 (browns) and denver had a heart breaker vs raiders.
denver also had the streak of home opening wins broken.
reading those 3 tea leaves, would count on a broncos win sunday.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
But the point of bfree is not on this game in particular...
We were thinking that our offense have had a great improvement.. that our offensive line with 1 year of experience, but Franklin, could be better… that our defense have had the biggest improvement with an upgrade on several positions, new coaches, new scheme, etc… but after we saw on MNF, we realyzed that it didn’t happen. At least so far…
So even if we can your this game, we all fear about the season. I thought, before the MNF, that the Broncos would end with a .500 record. Now, I don’t know anymore what to think. And this is probably the same point of bfree.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 17, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
couple of thoughts
1) cincys LBs: Howard is better at pass coverage than Rivers. Maualuga moved from SLB to MLB appears to be much more at home. unit’s pass coverage/run coverage skills in 2010 would have been C/C+ whereas with these two moves in 2011 would grade them at B-/B.
2) benson. stopping benson comes down to taking out chris pressley or beating cincy’s guards. benson is a north/south runner who averages under 4 yards a carry. pressley has held the fans love in cincy. this season pressley’s finally getting to show it on the field on gameday. in cleveland, pressley locked the block that allowed benson to ice the game. pressley spent most of the day knocking his assignments out of the plays.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
another important matchup to watch: denver's o-line vs cincy's d-line
if cincy’s fisher-price d-line shows up on sunday, the game will be all about the trench warfare. 7 deep, young, and hungry. johnson, atkins, dunlap, peko, geathers, fanene, sims could leave broncos fans with a wtf just happened experience.
peko remains a fan favorite in cincy for among other things, his willingness to help out in any way the coachs ask.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
This is a point who makes me sick
Our o-line was hammered 85% of the time against the Oakland’s. If yours can play at least a little worse than theirs, you’ll have a big advantage stopping completely our unproductive offense. I really hope Kyle and the OL have a on game. If not, we doubt the Broncos can beat you.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 17, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I think we will play much better than we did on Monday . I think we will see far fewer penalties and we will move the ball.
Dalton played well for a rookie I think we will try and get out ahead of him and force the Bengals to play catch up . They took control of the game early in Cleveland and that helped the rookie out tremendously.
Let's face it properly, Hoopforia...
It’s very difficult to have a worse performance. Said that, what we have to think is: the much we play better will be enough to beat the Bengals? I really think so, but I fear for the rest of the schedule. If we lose tomorrow, I can easily see a 0-5 record until the bye week.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Sep 17, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions

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