Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 9/23/11
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So apparently were already in the race for luck?
1-1 and could easily be 2-0. People arent high on us this year. I suppose we could just as easily be 0-2
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
I’d look for us for in the 10th overall pick range. This Bronco team is more talented and better coached than at least 7-11 other NFL teams.
A full season should see us to something like 7-9. I see winnable games vs
KC
KC
Tenn
Oakland
Miami
Jets
Buffalo
SD at home
Minnesota
Chicago at home
A lot will depend on injuries. We’ve had a lot, but very few IR types like some of our future opponents have sustained.
I thought the better team won both Bronco games this season, but the talent levels were close in each contest.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
I was also surprised about Renaldo McClain of Oakland. I thought he’d be a star, but he looks like nothing more than an average ILB to me. Honestly, LaMar Houston, their 2nd rounder in 2010, is the much better pro prospect at this point.
The best young defenders in the AFC West on each team are::
Von Miller
Eric Berry & Brandon Flowers
LaMarr Houston
San Diego doesn’t really have one. Larry English is already a healthy scratch for them. Maybe their #1 this year..
The overrated and overpaid are
Glenn Dorsey
Tyson Jackson
McClain
Larry English
Robert Ayers was a slam dunk for this list, but he played like a #1 round pick last Sunday.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
I think Ayers will continue to prove his worth this year
Everyone was predicting him to have a good year this year because of the 4-3 and he’s proving them right. Barring injury, he will be a good player for us this year. Eric Berry is good, but out for the year. That Chiefs team is a strong candidate for Luck, and that’s worrisome. I hope he stays in school another year
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
If KC has the first pick… me too. But he graduates this year so I doubt it. No reason to stay for a 5th year when you already have your Stanford degree and millions of dollars waiting for you. He’s already given up one year of his life where he could have been making up to eight figures. He can’t be that dumb to do it twice…
I think Miami and Seattle are the Luck leaders.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
I wouldnt mind seeing Miami get it
Just as long as its not KC or Indy
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
SD has a pretty good NG. I forget his name and I’m too lazy to look it up.
the 09 draft continues to bust
SD’s nose guard is also 31 years old so he doesn’t qualify for young status… Not in the NFL anyway.
The 2009 draft is so awful. Just saw Aaron Curry is getting benched in Seattle. He was supposed to be the safest and best pick in the entire 2009 draft. Now the dude is a backup within 2 years? He’s done in Seattle.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
He's miscast in a 4-3
because he’s not overly strong in pass coverage. He is much better suited to a 3-4 which is why most people were surprised when the Raiders drafted him. He’s basically like an rich man’s version of Joe Mays. Can play MIKE in a 4-3 but better suited to inside SAM in a 3-4.
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by AlbertaBronc on Sep 23, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Agree with your sentiment McG
I said preseason we would be 8-8 (when I wasn’t piss drunk on kool-aid) and I still stand by that. I think this team will be stronger as the year goes on and we get a lot of guys back from the hammys, groins, elbows, ankles, etc.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
Our starters are of average talent at almost all positions. Our problem is that we have little depth and few “stars” that can carry the team or pick-up the slack when something goes wrong.
I too felt we were an 8-8 team this (and last year as well). Having a QB that can carry the team will get us several wins each year. The OAK game was a perfect example of a winnable game when so many things were going wrong. A QB who can carry a team would have found us a way to win.
And the thing is, we’ve had A LOT of games like the past 2 years. Everyone paints the McD era as 59-14, but it was a lot closer to 23-20 most games (compare our season openers that past 2 years for starters).
Yes a franchise QB fixes a lot of ails
We get one of those and this goes from an 8-8 team to a 12-4 team or better. While a lot of the McD losses were close ones, one or two blowouts at home will usually do a coach in, such as the 59-14 disaster, or the 44-24 season finale in 09 to a terrible KC team
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
In the McD era, we lost big to pretty big at home to Pitt, Indy, KC, Oakland, San Diego and San Fran (London – so no home field for either team)
Factor in road blowout losses to bad teams Arizona, Oakland & Washington and good ones like Baltimore, SD and Indy and you realize that the McD era came to an ugly end not a moment too soon.
Some still like to pretend that McJedi was done in by bad personnel moves. What they fail to recognize is that McJedi wasn’t a good football coach either.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
The Pitt, Indy and SF home games were close in the 4th Q (SF close all the way).
The Wash and Indy road games were close in the 4th Q.
McD couldn’t win close games after the 6-0 start. His problem, the players or both? Regardless, if you think we are a team that is starting at the bottom (which the crowd that thinks McD set us back years does), that doesn’t square with our games the past 2 years. We weren’t the Lions, Chiefs or Rams from a few years ago (or the Chiefs this year).
So I don’t think we are years from being a playoff team. One or two stars and a lucky injury season and we are in. But several make it like it will take several years to rebuild the roster from the ground up.
Sounds like that's more attributed to McD
we had the talent, but he couldnt coach. When the team lost the heartbreaker to the Jets last year, they responded in a bad way to Oak the next game. McD had lost the lockerroom by then
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
Can’t say I disagree.
McD’s strength coachingwise is gameplaning and schemes. He got the most out of several players—Orton, Marshall, Lloyd to name 3. None of those guys will be as productive again in their careers.
So was his ability in game plans what kept a < talented team in games or rather did we have the talent to be in games but McD couldn’t make the adjustments or game time decisions to win it.
My theory is that we have a QB that can’t get the job done when he has too. At some point the guy at that position has to lead the guys to victory regardless of the situation. Orton basically did it once after the 6-0 start (TEN) so he had plenty of chances.
Now, as this relates to our current team, if you think we have average talent, then if the new coaches are up to snuff, we should be 8-8 (should be 2-0 now). I like what I’ve seen from the D, but I’m skeptical that a run-first defense coach is the right direction in today’s NFL which is all about the PASS and scoring 28+ ppg.
I guess I can’t disagree.
McD was a lousy game day coach and motivator, but his during the week X’s and O’s must have been well above average.
Your theory about Orton isn’t a theory. It’s fact and proven.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
Yeah...the lack of severity of the injuries at least keeps the season hopes alive.
On a side note….
Good Luck Blaine Gabbert! We sure miss you at Mizzou this year! Had we not got TT last year, I was hoping for him to be a great Broncos player LOL
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11) Official projection 10-6 (9-6-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
The only serious injury was with Ty Warren, the rest have been the short term, nagging types...
The best part about that is those players will be or should be fresher as the season moves forward, to the end where it’s crunch time.
by bfree2bronc on Sep 23, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
And if were picking 10th, who would you like to see us take?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
Best CB or DT available. Maybe the best MLB or RT as well.
Kuper may not be long for this team. Kick Franklin inside to G and get at one of the several good RT/LTs in the upcoming draft. We’ll have ample options for BPA if we pick around 10. The 2012 draft looks like a good marriage of need and talent for Denver if we’re picking in the top 15.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
Wow you really think Oakland is a better team than us?
Here’s what went wrong for OAK in that game: 15 penalties, 1 turnover deep on their side of the field, 1 punt return TD (debatable whether that was an OAK mistake or just a good play by our guys).
Here’s what went wrong for us: 3 turnovers, 10 penalties, blocked punt. Numerous starters out due to injury in the 4th Q.
And still we only lost by a 63 yd FG.
I think we have more talent than OAK overall (players + coaches). If our team was not so sloppy and undisciplined, we should have won that game.
Oakland is better than us right now in terms of talent, but it’s close.
Their front four is far better than ours. Their RBs are far better than ours. QBs are close, but both below average.
We have better WRs. We have a better secondary. No good TEs between um, at least not right now. Their O-line is better at what they do than ours is at what we do.
It’s close, but I’d give Oakland the slight talent advantage.
Something that went really right for Denver in that game was the magical recovery of the Lloyd fumble, which lead to our only offensive TD. Our O only put 10 points on the board in that game. The better team won, but they are about 1 or 2 ppg better than us. It’s close.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
well they are close.
I think our QB is better (and if Fox would play Tebow at the goal line we’re even better at that position). Our OL is better as pass blocking, theirs at run blocking. And I think we have better edge rushers. But I agree with the rest.
I guess I look at how dysfunctional Oakland is as an organization and if you can’t beat them when you are close to them talentwise it says something.
We are almost as sorry as an organization as Oakland. We were just as sorry from 2007 thru 2010 when we were run by two HCs pretending to be Emperors.
And Bowlen/Ellis can’t say they didn’t empower McD and Shanny. They did.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
Go tell Titans fans that
McGeorge, those delta bravos think they’ll kick our trash
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Sep 23, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
We can beat the Raiders
if we don’t make silly mistakes, but then again, you cited Oakland as a winnable game at the black hole, guess I should work on reading comprehension
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Sep 23, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Finally, I can disagree with you. Lay off the crack pipe!
We win one game in KC. We lose to OAK. We lose to SD.
I see winnable games here:
KC
BUF
MIN
I would put Chicago here, but their D will make Orton uncomfortable – we know how games go when he’s uncomfortable….
4-12 puts up in the Suck of Luck campaign.
4 games puts us out of range for Luck.
In rage for Barkley/Jones.
There is a very good chance that Seattle, KC, and Indy only win 1 or 2 games this year.
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I know it’s coming, but it still pisses me off that we aren’t even going to see what Tim has before getting a new QB.
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by Nick Cast on Sep 23, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Glad to hear Champ is running and cutting, but being cautiously otimistic about playing Sunday...
I think Champ is the only player on the team that could cover Kenny Britt, who has a hot hand to start the year.
Yep....we'll have to double him if Champ is out....
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11) Official projection 10-6 (9-6-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Hope Champ can play soon.....
That draft listing for the last five years made me puke. Apparently too many people spiked the drinks of the front office and scouts with the ugly picks. I hope this new management group will amount to something with thier picks. Von Miller and Moore are very encouraging so far. McD should be thrown in prison for fraud for his 2009 2nd round picks.
Kyle Orton is the Tin Man....No heart, can't move and the oil can is too far away!
McD continues to be
Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, all those yards against the Giants, no production. We’ve seen that movie before…
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Sep 23, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
His work in round 4, 5, 6 and 7 wasn’t any better. He set back Denver by two or three years at the 2009 NFL draft.
He probably broke even in 2010.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
In 09 he should have traded out as much as possible. In hindsight, it is clear that draft class is one of the worst league wide in recent memory.
The 10 draft is actually pretty good (potential wise)—Tebow, DT, Decker, Squid, Walton, Beadles. Decker and DT have pro-bowl potential. Tebow is ?? and the other 3 can be solid starters for several years (maybe squid is a nickel back but I think he has potential). 6 good players from a draft is really good.
Our last 2 drafts have been good.
Early Games
They have wrecked us almost every time we play them! I like that Fox is taking that into account. Every year I dread seeing the 11:00 game on our schedule. Let’s hope this year proves different. But I do like Fox’s approach on paper.
Doom has been ruled out
that sucks, but more opportunities for others to step up, get ready for the Packers, Doom!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Sep 23, 2011 12:30 PM MDT reply actions
We beat them without Doom last year....
We just have to do it again, with a better all-around team :)
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11) Official projection 10-6 (9-6-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
I've been thinking about how much Orton misses McD
It looks like the Broncos organization looks perplexed at the disconnect between Orton the practice player and Orton the game time player. Somewhere, somehow, things are lost in translation. I have a friend who is a huge Bears fan, and they said it was the same thing in Chicago…the Bears really wanted Orton to take command of the QB position…looked fantastic in practice…then game time would come and he’s retreat back to average. So strange.
For all of McD’s faults….he was one hell of a QB coach. Seems like he could extract every bit of talent from mediocre QB’s (Orton, Cassel) and make great QB’s even greater (Brady).
As someone pointed out above…a good quarterback finds a way to win the Oakland game. An average one can’t seem to push you up the hill. Andy Dalton impressed me on Sunday. He seemed to have grit, desire and a will to win. Kinda wish KO had that because he has the brains to do it…maybe he just doesn’t have the will.
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Three more articles about our 3rd string QB!
Excellent work/research and rec’d!
I think we can eliminate one team staffer from the "who leaked the negative stuff about Tebow" conspiracy:
Receivers coach Tyke Tolbert said Tebow can hold his own in the slot.
“The thing about Tim is he’s such a competitor and he’s a very good athlete and plus being a quarterback, he has to know what all the receivers do anyway,” Tolbert said. “So, he can step in and do whatever we ask him to do, and that’s just the competitive nature that he has. He competes just as hard as anybody on the team and he’ll do whatever it takes to help the team.”
But can he catch a pass if he had to?
“Yeah, he can catch,” Tolbert insisted. "He’s a good athlete. He can catch, he can block, he can throw. He can take snaps under center, he can take snaps from the gun, he can do it all.
Sounds like Tolbert thinks rather highly of our “3rd string QB” eh, rocko?
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
No coach is stupid enough to talk down any player on the team.
I am 100% certain that Tolbert would talk Orton up like he is about to become the next John Elway.
I do not watch any interview of any coach. Period. I include them in HT cause so many people do watch, but over the years I believe I have learned exactly nothing by listening to the words from the mouths of coaches.
;-)
You must not remember Coach John McKay.
No coach is stupid enough to talk down any player on the team.
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Sep 23, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Delta Bravos
Does delta bravos mean dumb bastards? The Raiders appeared much better than us what little I saw of the game. Both lines, plus running backs, like you guys said but much,much better from the way I saw the game. What surprised me was how close the score was at the end and I credit that to our improved defensive play
He means a word that rhymes with juice bag
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
deuce bag?
Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 24, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
puce bag?
Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 24, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
There you go :)
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"No use crying over spilled milk"
-Orton's rallying war cry
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