Bronco Bytes: Orange Crush ... Junior
by Tim Lynch on Sep 26, 2011 4:56 PM MDT
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Once again, after a tough and hard fought loss, I find myself needing to bring people back from jumping off a cliff in what could only be a cheap imitation of some Heaven's Gate cult. Am I disappointed? Obviously. We did lose after all. Do I think Tim Tebow should supplant Kyle Orton? Yes, I do. However, that just is not going to happen at this time.
It's been three games. All close and seemingly competitive affairs. John Fox is not the type of coach to suddenly do an about face and bench the quarterback who he has given all the reps in practice and his full faith and confidence over the past 10 weeks.
The earliest Tim Tebow starts is after the Bye week, but that's not going to happen either. I am fairly certain this offense will continue to be inept through the next two games, but Orton will not lose his job until this team is mathematically eliminated. Maybe even a few games after that. The new administration must learn for themselves what we have already learned from last season, the offense sucks and doesn't know how to execute a game plan properly. Screaming for Tebow is a waste of breath and a waste of time - and if you do feel the need to lament, Sayre Bedinger's post pretty much said it all.
Which is why I'm not going to waste any more of my time talking about what we already know. This post, surprisingly enough, is about the defense so if you are tired of hearing about quarterbacks follow this post after the jump to talk about the one aspect of this team that has been pleasantly surprising...
Orange Crush...Junior
We all though this defense was going to be an orange rush and I even likened it to "The Show". Yet all we have seen thus far is simply defense. You know, that thing we all wished for over the past three years but never quite got around to seeing any...
The Show has been derailed thanks to an injury to Elvis Dumervil, but even without him I see this team blitzing often. They are not quite getting there often enough, but the pressure is just enough to force off some timing against opposing quarterbacks - even when they are throwing all over the place.
As good as this defense has been this year, they are still depleted and hurting. How good has the defense been through the last three games? Not quite Orange Crush good, but after being dead last in almost every meaningful category last season this unit is well on its way back to respectability. Here's a look at some of the key stats:
| Weeks 1-3 Denver Broncos Defensive Rankings | ||||||
| Scoring | Total Yds | Passing | Rushing | Sacks | Turnovers | 3rd Down % |
| 13th 20.7 |
16th 334.7 |
13th 234.7 |
14th 100.0 |
23rd 5 |
19th 3 |
12th 35% |
I know for those of us with playoff aspirations these numbers are uninspiring, but when put up in the context of my own expectations which I wrote about, this is right where I hoped we would be this year. It's only been three games, but if this defense can get healthy and keep improving then the jump from the worst defense in Broncos history to respectability will have only taken one lockout-shortened offseason. This would far exceed my wildest hopes and dreams. Of course, the offense is actually worse than it was last year, so it looks like this season might be a wash anyway.
With all the flurry of negativity over Kyle Orton's inability to win football games as a starting NFL quarterback, I feel it is important to point out that the defense is keeping games close enough to bring about that negativity. The Broncos first two losses in 2010 we by 7 points and 14 points. In fact, last year this defense gave up enough points to enable the Broncos to lose by 14 twice, 45, 21, 30, and 16. Those are blowouts folks. The Broncos had only lost by 3 or less points ONE TIME last season - its already happened twice in three games in 2011. Sure its still losing, but I'll take a tough 3 point loss on the road over a 45 point loss at home to the Oakland Raiders any day.
The true test comes next week and something tells me Champ Bailey and Elvis Dumervil were held out to make sure they would be ready next week. My biggest hope is that Wesley Woodyard will buck the country club mentality that has existed in Dove Valley for over a decade and remain the starter over underachieving D.J. Williams. If D.J. is given the nod, then it will be obvious to all of us that the best players do not necessarily get the nod under John Fox.
Even so, its nice to see part of the team is earning its respect back from the rest of the league. It pleases me that its my favorite part of football - defense.
GO BRONCOS!
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I just wrote this comment on a fanpost but it bears repeating.
There are a lot of positives about this team moving forward. The defense is really looking like it could become something special in a few years with Von and Doom at the helm. We have a great group of young WRs in Demaryius, Decker, Royal, Lloyd (if he sticks around). Also, a guy in Julius Thomas who, before he got hurt, looked like a real threat at TE. Add in the fact that we have an O-Line with one of the best left tackles in the game in Clady and a young O-line that will only improve with time and you realize this team is definitely on the way up.
I am a fan of a team in the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. I haven't seen the playoffs since April 28th, 2008 (1st round exit by raps). I haven't seen playoffs past the 1st round since January 26th, 2006. Stop and think about how insane it is. And depressing.
I agree, although it could go either way....
it doesn’t take much to F things up – as we are discovering with each passing moment post-McD.
Each "passing" moment
lol that was funny even though I’m sure it was unintended
If you wanna win, put Tebow in!
very true. both in a large scale and small scale sense.
In a small scale sense, this team could very easily be 3-0. We could also be 0-3 just as easily. In a large scale sense, not trading Orton was a f**k up. All you can do is look at all the data available and try and make what looks like the right call at that time. You won’t be right every time but you just have to limit your mistakes from a personnel point of view. And in the games, No Bret Kern run, no record tying field goal and things could be different and we could all be on cloud 9 right now. Al Pacino summed it up best when he said “it’s a game of inches”.
I am a fan of a team in the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. I haven't seen the playoffs since April 28th, 2008 (1st round exit by raps). I haven't seen playoffs past the 1st round since January 26th, 2006. Stop and think about how insane it is. And depressing.
Trading Orton would have been merciful for Orton.
The irony is, Orton is the reason the trade didn’t happen so now he has to face the music. And right now the music is not very enjoyable for him.
I don't think we
accomplish anything with bashing, boo’s (except bad plays), or cries for a replacement. It really just takes away from the game.
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Sep 26, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's not going to end until Tebow starts.
Most of the fans have made up their mind, which is why its time to focus on other aspects of our beloved Broncos – otherwise we’ll drive each other insane. :)
insaner?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions
insanerest?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions
This Sunday is going to be a huge test for the defense
I am really excited to see how we are going to fare against a great offense. So far we played pretenders.
I don't know
The Raiders offense shredded that vaunted Jets defense yesterday.
In fact, I’d dare say the Raiders look damn good. And we lost by 3 points to them.
AGREE! I was looking for a place to comment on this.
After 3 games, our first game loss does not look as bad as it dit at the time. If that is true after 6 games, it is a big enough sample.
agreed
I love McFadden, and I hate the Raiders. Help me!
If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy. - Thomas Jefferson
Arrgh so does my gf
She went to Arkansas and hearts that damn Faider…
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Let's compare these numbers to a similar sample size when Doom gets back.
I suspect he’ll make a huge difference, our rank will push way up higher. He’s a difference maker, especially with that sack ranking. I’m excited about the D…can’t wait to get healthy. And I’m on board to finding a spot for Woody, somehow somewhere.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
Interceptions stats really need to improve .
. Whats this secondary and linebacking corps have to do to get
one once in a while ? …….. Whew… God forbid we get a pick 6 .
by broncosfaninphilly on Sep 26, 2011 5:29 PM MDT reply actions
Or you name is Kyle Orton and you just make bad passes because you are not very good, especially in the 4th quarter.
But I know what you mean otherwise.
Elvis, you need to play once in a while to earn that mega contract of yours.
Now that's not fair
Orton is great in the fourth qtr when we’re already down by 20 or30 and have no chance of winning. He seems to have no problem driving the ball down the field and scoring.
you couldn't be more wrong about DJ Williams
an unfortunate last scripts to your otherwise well-writeen and well-thought article.. but saying things like DJ is undeserving and underachieving? DUDE.. he led the team in tackles last year by 40 freaking tackles ok?? that would be 4 monster games needed by someone else on the defense just to TIE him!!!
WHAT CAME OVER YOU TO SAY SOMETHING SO STUPID???
by heykyleinsf on Sep 26, 2011 5:33 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
I’m sorry if you don’t see the same performance on the field of play that I have. Dude has all the talent in the world, but he’s undisciplined. Not all tackles are equal and DJ is an underachiever – has been for several years now.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 26, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tackles can be misleading because it doesn't take into account where the tackle happened
Nate Jones had a ton of tackles last year :p
However I completely agree with you that DJ is far superior to Woodyard. There was an article posted in the fanshots a while ago that showed DJ ranked 11th in the league last year in defeats (a defeat being a turnover, TFL, or stopping a team on 3rd/4th down). That’s a pretty telling statistic right there on just how valuable he is to the Broncos. He wasn’t great in run defense as a MLB but that’s because he works best in space (just like Woodyard) which is why his best fit is at WILL. DJ is primed for a big year and I see no reason (varying suspension) why he won’t have one.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Sep 26, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hope you are right....
I just see more execution from Woodyard right now than I did from DJ last year.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 26, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it possible....
…that execution comes from the fact that pretty much everyone on the defense is executing better than last season? Having better play around you can help you look a lot better. Likewise, having inferior play around you can cause you to get out of position more frequently.
This isn’t necessarily to say that we shouldn’t expect more out of DJ Williams or that Woodyard isn’t playing a bit out of his mind right now, just that sometimes what is happening around the player can help to color perceptions of that player.
Amazing how DJ gets dis'd around here. He's an EXCELLENT player who'll be even better with some talent around ...like we're starting to have.
If D.J. is given the nod, then it will be obvious to all of us that the best players do not necessarily get the nod under John Fox.
Totally disagree.
I love WW’s play of late but DJ is better.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
We'll see....
perhaps I just don’t like DJ’s attitude. We all have bias, and perhaps I have one in play in regards to DJ. lol
Let's hope. The more defensive talent the better, right?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Smarter than you ?
sure. Incorrect.
We’ll see what Fox thinks.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions
ok.. now it's attitude..
like I said.. he shifted to MLB… for team need
was perennial captain until the DUI…
Come on dude.. anything tangible today?
He is not alone I have called DJ the most overrated bronco for years
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
who has been better?
Since he was drafted he has been one of the 2 best players on our defense. The only person consistently better is champ whose a HOF’er.
by crushsg on Sep 26, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
speaks for the D.
DJ’s had no pro bowls, and it’s a precipitous drop from 1 to 2, for a player some mention as great, which Champ is and DJ is not. If your 2nd best player over the years is not an impact player, like a Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis, it speaks a lot more for the low quality of your defense, than the player.
In 3 games, Von Miller shows more impact than DJ has over the years. In fact, a quick comparison. Von has 20 yards on 2 sacks of yards lost by sack. DJ had 27 SYL on 5.5 sacks, last year. That says to me DJ’s sacks are line of scrimmage variety, while Von gets into the backfield. When you think about it, it’s pretty difficult to get less than five yards a sack on over 5 sacks. Von has already doubled the number of turnovers he has caused by forcing 2 fumbles. DJ had one turnover, all of last season.
...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...
apples to oranges.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Eggs to chicken, too...
…but it’s my opinion on DJ.
...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...
bad comparison.
The WW comparison made your point just fine.
Von’s position is completely different.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
um...ok,my bad... high grade apples to ok oranges.
Von Miller’s skill set is different than DJ’s. DJ is a better every down lb than Von Miller, at present, and has much more experience, but the upside of Von Miller and his elite speed and pass rush ability give me the impression that Von Miller plays with more impact than DJ in his first three games, than what DJ has shown in his entire career. I believe Von Miller will improve, and become a great 3 down linebacker. He will be a pro bowler, and recognized as the top of his position in the NFL, something DJ Williams will never achieve.
...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...
well said.
Still very happy DJ is a Bronco and will love watching our DC fit all the LB talent we’ve been lacking for SO LONG on the field together…
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I do like where the defense is headed
Though I can’t quite say I’m excited yet. What week 3 showed me is that we need at least 1 good young corner. If there are easy completions out there, our pass rush only really has till the time the QB finishes his dropback.
Really ? Nothing has changed from last season !
I can’t believe that the Broncos are just going to wait and throw away another season ! What didn’t we learn from 2009 season ,2010 season . Orton is a textbook QB who can’t think out of the box . He may be a great practice QB , but unfortunatly game time is not practice and you are not going to duplicate game time in practice ! You can say how Tibow doesn’t have a typical NFL release all you want , but he is a dedicated WINNER to the game . I have been saying this from the beginning and I will still say it all season ! We will not win with Orton ! Do we wait a couple more games to loose , no ! Orton the clock has struck two , your carriage is now a pumpkin so see you later ! All of Denver wants a change and its time ! Lets start the new era , and stop playing redicules games …
by travlindan2001@yahoo.com on Sep 26, 2011 5:43 PM MDT reply actions
We all agree but the coach and Fox do not... they will not bench KO...
and if they do who now who will be next in line. every week I tell myself don’t get pissed because I know things won’t change but then I get pissed anyway. So my advice to you is stay pissed for both of us.
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
GC you piss me off:)
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
Don't lose your edge
Coach, if you’re not a little upset when we don’t win, you’re not a true fan!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Sep 26, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
No sweat I can stay calm about 5 minutes
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
blah blah blah DEFENSIVE THREAD HERE YO!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
your comment is like the roof joke over my head
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
a good thing?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks speak slowly to old people
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
hiighjack alert
the post was about the defense, the comment s back to the QB. And, next time, look up the word ridiculous….it is ridiculous to spell it poorly because you mispronounce it.
OMG! I just commented last night to another MHR Staffer about people's inability to spell that exact word.
lmfao. It’s shocking how often its misspelled. May I suggest, instead of using the word ridiculous, try absurd. It’s easier to spell and has a similar meaning. ;)
How about when people spell lose "loose"
That one irritates me. I hate to “loose”
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I personal peeve is definitely.
Soooo many people want to spell it definAtely. Oh, and then/than drives me up a wall, too. :)
by BroncosBassist on Sep 27, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
That would be *my* personal peeve.
If you’re going to be the spelling & grammar police, you’d better do it right.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 27, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
My favorite (to hate)
Believe me, I have seen it more than once…
“I think are team is going to win”.
Another case of sloppy pronunciation and phonetic spelling leading to something ridiculous.
Please, don’t anybody ask what is wrong with it unless you are joking.
Tim..excellent post. I agree with all said including when if ever KO...
will loose his job. Best part of the post is the comments on DJ and Woodyard. Next week it will be fun to watch how the improved “d” holds up under the world champs.
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
I am hopeful, but I don't want people to think that if the Pack lays 35 on us next week that the D is garbage.
They are a work in progress. It’s a test, but failing the test doesn’t mean they will fail for the entire year. ;-)
And thanks btw!
Very good point the way Rodgers is playintgthey might put up 35 on the 85 Bears
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
agreed. The Packers are the real deal. Tim's Bears comment here says it all.
This defense is hurt and STILL looking better than expected! THIS makes me very happy!! Thanks EFX.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Defense is improved.
Nice post. D is improved. It is a combination of Fox being a good D head coach, and the Broncos EFX making a great looking choice in Dennis Allen. There’s an attitude in the trenches, and Robert Ayers improvement is tremendous. They put down Derrick Harvey as a draft bust, but he’s a good 2 down DE. Just read the above post on DJ. I agree with Tim.
Wesley Woodyard is a blue collar worker that makes plays. DJ might be the KO of the defense. The Broncos need more from DJ. Leading the team in tackles isn’t always an indicator of great play. Overall, we have to wait and see. The next two weeks should tell a whole lot about the defense, and there’s an ominous feel to feeling good about the defense with Aaron Rodgers and Rivers upcoming.
...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...
Thanks! Like I said in an earlier comment, my goal is middle of the pack this year -
which might mean getting man handled by Rogers and Rivers this time around….
The sky falls to often around here with Orton and Tebow, so I’m hoping people put the right kind of expectations around this new and improving defense.
I like the improved run D
I look at your ranking numbers and wonder why I am not more excited. We still seem to want to give up big plays on third and long. Our LB’s still get burned by RB’s and TE’s. I know I should be happy and I am to an extent. I am not happy with the prevent defense when the pressure was working. The Titans got a couple of lucky grabs on desperation throws and I find myself watching Miller back in coverage. I would have liked us to be more aggresive. But I am asking a lot. They have done a good job so far, easily better than last year. I was impressed with a lot of our players yesterday and was actually happy that BDawk was not always in on the tackle after the week one fiasco when it seemed like he was the only one tackling.
Our offense overall is showing improvement. I don’t see the season being a wash and still hope for 6 to 8 wins regardless of who our QB is. Perhaps it will be due to defensive turnovers, we need to see some INT’s and pick sixes.
Miller is a STUD so far, I hope he keeps on shining :D Thanks for getting us those defensive numbers and pointing out a bright spot Tim.
Go Broncos!
i DARE someone to vote no
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
Great test for the D
Rodgers is playing like freaking better than any QB in a long while, yes ant that means Brees, Brady and Manning. It will be helpful if we can keep him off the field, stating obviousness……
Thank goodness this isnt Nov. at Lambeau
Is Dumervil done? Bailey too?
I think they are keeping info tight to the vest in Dove Valley. I fear that Dumervil’s injury is worse than anyone expected and that he might be done for the year…again. And what’s Bailey got, a hammie pull? That could linger all season. We may be slightly improving on defense, but I see some major changes next year: Bailey, DJ, Dawk and Dumervil cut or traded next year, along with some offensive players such as Moreno, Beadles and maybe Walton. Royal too, with all the problems he’s having producing and fighting off injuries.
We’ll be rebuilding again next year.
I see the Pack hanging 45 on us this week: mostly due to our offense fumbling and bumbling around, putting our defense in impossible situations.
Slightly improving?
going from 32nd ranked D to 16th is a huge jump
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
BTW Tim
I got my super cool super smart guy cap in the mail today…
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
is it signed or just planted on your neck?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I prefer the vomit to the cop DNA...
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
"If D.J. is given the nod, then it will be obvious to all of us that the best players do not necessarily get the nod under John Fox."
uhhhh hell no it wont!!! Speak for yourself. Don’t like how this post tried to sneak in a little bomb at the end. DJ is a good player, get over it.
So what...you act like the dude matters.
DJ is an average starting linebacker in this league. Jesus Christ…its the Kyle Orton/Tim Tebow argument all over again.
You may think he is average but many believe otherwise
He has been a stalwart for years on a terrible front 7
I think you are trying to make things oversimplified
Tebow at QB and Woodyard at LB….
all our problems are solved..
it’s a simpleton emotional line of thinking…
at this point I’d welcome the Tebow change
but I’m hardly thinking that’s the only thing
wrong with the offense.
Williams was a bright spot on a dismal defense last year
now it ‘s a totally improved unit..
If there’s any addition by subtraction.. it was goodbye to
Jamal Williams and the 3-4.
The system, the coaching and the new attitude on defense
all need credit. I have always been high on Woodyard and
Mays.. I didn’t see the reason for drafting 2 LBs in the draft
and picking up no DT, RB and CB.
I think Miller is seriously compromised by no Dumervil.
His upside is DeMarcus Ware-like… but he’s not doing much
on a down-to-down basis. At this point.. I see Mays, Woodyard
and Williams as the best LB… maybe Miller in passing downs.
It has a lot to do with building a system around the gifts of the players..
If we had a powerhouse offensive line.. I think Orton would be fine,
maybe even top ten. But the line is a liability.. therefore I think Tebow
would be better right now. Once Dumervil is back.. I like the thought
of the havoc both he and VM could wreak together.. but right now with
Doom out.. and however long that is going to last.. I think the thoughts
have to be on keeping Woodyard on the field. Von Miller just doesn’t
seem to be able to execute without Doom in there.
I think you don't really know what you are talking about
and are making wild assumptions based on pure emotions.
I’m saying our defense is good with WW and DJ is sort of irrelevant now. I’ve stated many times over that Tebow won’t be starting until after we’re eliminated from the playoffs.
Time for you to give it a rest…
DJ Williams makes like Elevntybrazillion dollars to about 60 bucks and a weekend at a spa for WW.
All for about the same performance. I’d be perfectly fine with a trade of DJ after this season — assuming we have someone who can play the position if Woody gets hurt.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 27, 2011 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Seems like the writer is using the fans obvious belief that Tebow is the better QB, and harnessing those feelings to fufill his own personal bias.
That statement indicates that if DJ starts that means the better players wont necessarily start on our team. Obviously hinting at the Tebow issue.
This is some sneaky propaganda!
Yes, I am Joseph Goebbels and MHR is now Nazi Germany.
Could you be any more dense? This QB controversy is turning people into God damn morons.
Call me a moron all you want
QB situation has nothing to do with it. DJ has had the chips against him for years now ( terrible supporting cast, out of position, etc) and he still has put up good numbers. This may seem like a radical idea to you but many people believe he is a good player.
Ok, well hitch your ride to him.
I won’t be. Of course, if he starts getting off blocks and making tackles AT the line of scrimmage instead of 5+ yards down and if he stops celebrating after every play he makes – good or bad, then he’ll find his way back into my good graces and I’ll stop thinking he is an overrated, overpaid underachieving linebacker. :)
by Tim Lynch on Sep 26, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Personal bias?
This is Tim’s opinion. If personal bias comes into it…um, how does it not, when giving an opinion?
We all have some personal bias when giving an opinion. Chill out.
As for sneaky propaganda. Wow. Really?
...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...
yeah..I wondered if
anybody would comment on the sneaky propaganda involved in phrasing it the way Shy did…..ironic.
"perhaps I just don’t like DJ’s attitude. We all have bias, and perhaps I have one in play in regards to DJ. lol"
This is what he posted and I’m calling him out on it. Thats an illegitimate reason to me if you think otherwise I cant help you.
I used to love DJ...but his play and his off the field douchebaggery has put himself in my dog house.
It is what it is.
And if you actually watch him play, he isn't a "great" linebacker.
Woodyard has so far outperformed DJ….but apparently we should start DJ anyway because he deserves it because of what DJ “could be” and “once was”. Sorry, I want the best players on the field.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 26, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tim Let it go he has a DJ man Crush and will take it to his grave
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
Woodyard has outperformed DJ? I dont think so.Even in last years crappy defense, at a deifferent position, DJ made a greater impact for our team.
Imagine putting woodyard in at Mike how would that work out? DJ has been out of position and will now go back to the position he was drafted to play (such a strange concept, you draft a WILL and play him at WILL?)
I think Woodyard has played well, but I expected him to, he is one of our best backups hands down, across our team. I also think he is an excellent tackler for his size, and he fits what Fox wants out of his LB’s. As much talk that there is of DJ not shedding well (kinda hard with our D-line last year), Woodyard struggles in this area as well. DJ also fits Fox’s and Allen’s defense very well. Vilma, DJ’s old teammate was great for Allen in NO, and both of them share similiar skill sets. DJ is a big athletic LB with speed. He brings skills that many of our other LB’s dont have. Aside from ability, I think the biggest asset is his experience. Our starting LB’s are very inexperienced, DJ is the only one with more than a year or two of starting experience.
Finally, DJ has the ability to make impact plays, something we would love to have more of.
by ShyandObese on Sep 27, 2011 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure which term I prefer!!
sneaky propaganda
or
douchbaggery
!!!
I intend to plagiarize each.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
spd
Sneaky Propagantastic Douchebaggery
dingleberry? really? Didn’t Andy Taylor pen that one?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions
BallGarglery?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 26, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Butters' alter ego's cousin, Dingleberry Mint.
...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...
Isn't this a sports blog?
That pretty much purports that personal bias is going to be involved. The difference is whether or not that bias comes across as uninformed. I don’t think, in this case, that the bias is uninformed. I may not agree totally with the idea of DJ as an underachiever in the sense that Tim is making here, but I think that we should certainly look for DJ to perform at a higher level when he returns, especially since he now has a stronger supporting cast.
If he returns from his injury and doesn’t play to the level Woodyard has been playing (or, hopefully, an even higher level), then he should definitely make way for Woodyard.
That statement indicates that if DJ starts that means the better players wont necessarily start on our team. Obviously hinting at the Tebow issue.
This is some sneaky propaganda!
huh? Dude take off the tin foil hat
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Dennis Allen is super cool.
Elvis, you need to play once in a while to earn that mega contract of yours.
Totally agree...
but he seems to be a package with Fox….Willing to put up with one to get the other? At least for a while?
The best thing EFX has done IMO
The draft was solid, but that’s not that hard when you pick players where their valued at. Von was a 50/50 between him and Darues so I dont want to give to much credit although it was a good pickup.
So far Dennis Allen has been their best signing. You can clearly see much better play calling and execution than Winks defense.
by ShyandObese on Sep 27, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions
What would be a "victory" for Broncos D vs. vaunted GB Offense this week?
A win is highly improbable this week, it would be amazing if it happened, BUT if we are sane, we realize the Broncos aren’t up to par with the Packers at Lambeau.
What would be a good outcome even in a loss? I’m thinking holding the Packers to 24 pts or less would be HUGE. If I had to pick this game objectively, I’d say about 38-16…
If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy. - Thomas Jefferson
I'd be happy with 24 or less, plus limit big plays
I think I’d like to see them kill the run again, get a bit of pressure on Rogers, and not give up many huge plays. If they do that but still give up around 20-24 points, that’s a big win in my book.
Well, they have to do that and look better than the week before. Week-to-week improvement with not much backsliding is the key to this season being a success. Regardless of the final record.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 27, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Have a little faith, man. Our defense is playing well enough to keep it close. I know Green Bay is like the Justice League and all, but I don’t think it’s going to be a 38-16 affair. The thing is, how well will the offense do? The D will only hold for so long. If we can score some points and keep it close I really believe we have a chance. Call it wishful thinking. Maybe this is the week we get our first few interceptions. Keeping fingers crossed until Sunday night.
If you wanna win, put Tebow in!
Who voted no?
There’s always one…in this case 4
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
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