Game Preview: Denver @ Green Bay
Opening Statement
When I started my stat-based website (now at http://thequeue.webs.com), my main goal was to find ways to accurately represent each team with numbers that would help me decide which were the best teams and who was most likely to win the Super Bowl.
Last season, all of my stats pointed to New England or Pittsburgh as the AFC Champion and Green Bay as the NFC Champion.
While similar to my goal to predict the Super Bowl teams, I wanted to be able to use numbers to decide regular season or postseason games that appeared to be very close or with games with a perceived underdog that should be considered a slight favorite, at least according to the numbers.
Football is a very subjective game where the "human factor" is very difficult to quantify. Injuries also play a factor, and coaching is still one of the most underrated elements to championship caliber football. Luck can also play factor, as a bad bounce on one play can change the outcome of the season for multiple teams.
However, despite the great complexity of the NFL, there are some numbers that seem to do more than describe what has just happened. Before I discuss Denver's upcoming game this weekend, I will discuss some of the numbers that describe the 2010 NFL season.
Here are numbers from my stat-based website that describe 2010 regular season:
Top 5 Teams/Players in Quarterback Rating
| Player | Team | Acc | Tds | Tos | Sck | YPA | Rating | |
| 1 | Tom Brady | NE | 65.9 | 37 | 5 | 25 | 7.9 | 107.9 |
| 2 | Aaron Rodgers | GB | 65.7 | 32 | 12 | 31 | 8.3 | 95.3 |
| 3 | Michael Vick | PHI | 62.6 | 30 | 9 | 34 | 8.1 | 94.5 |
| 4 | Peyton Manning | IND | 66.3 | 33 | 18 | 16 | 6.9 | 89.0 |
| 5 | Phillip Rivers | SD | 66.0 | 30 | 17 | 38 | 8.7 | 88.1 |
Not surprisingly, 4 out of the 5 made it to the playoffs, with San Diego underachieving again with a 9-7 season. Their combined record was 53-27.
With quarterbacks becoming increasingly more vital to team success, its not coincidence that the top two quarterbacks in the NFL last season appeared to be on a path that would lead to a great offensive showdown in the Super Bowl.
There was only one problem - every team has to play defense as well as offense.
Top 5 Teams in Defensive Quarterback Rating
| Team | Acc | Tds | Tos | Sacks | YPA | QBR | |
| 1 | Green Bay Packers | 56.2 | 16 | 24 | 47 | 6.5 | 55.0 |
| 2 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 61.2 | 17 | 24 | 48 | 6.3 | 61.4 |
| 3 | Chicago Bears | 62.4 | 18 | 28 | 34 | 6.6 | 63.4 |
| 4 | New York Jets | 50.7 | 26 | 19 | 40 | 6.5 | 64.6 |
| 5 | San Diego Charges | 58.4 | 20 | 17 | 47 | 6.4 | 66.5 |
While New England boasted the top passing offense, they were ranked 11th in the NFL and struggled at times to stop the pass. Their 30 turnovers in pass defense (interceptions and quarterback fumbles) were an NFL-best and masked their flaws as a defense.
On the other hand, the two eventual Super Bowl champs defended the pass better than anyone. While some might use this as an argument to say "defense wins championships", this is only one year, and both Pittsburgh and Green Bay have two great quarterbacks.
The combined record of these top 5 teams was 53-27, the same as offensive QB rating.
This would suggest that the best teams are the ones that perform well at both, even if they are not in the top 5 in both.
Top 5 Teams in Net Quarterback Rating
| Team | QB Rat | Def QB Rat | Net QB Rat | |
| 1 |
Green Bay Packers | 95.3 | 55.0 | +40.3 |
| 2 | New England Patriots | 107.9 | 70.9 | +37.0 |
| 3 | Philadelphia Eagles | 94.5 | 71.3 | +23.2 |
| 4 | San Diego Charges | 88.1 | 66.5 | +21.6 |
| 5 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 82.3 | 61.4 | +20.9 |
Again, Green Bay and New England appeared to destined for a showdown. They could throw well and defend the pass.
However, this does not tell the whole story. Every stat has a limitation. That is why I look at the big picture, using multiple statistics for analysis. I created a stat that measures the ability of the entire offense and defense. I included quarterback rating, a rusher rating, third and fourth down conversion percentage and the net points an offense scored and defense allowed.
Top 5 Teams in Net Unit Rating
The teams with the top 5 offenses were (in order): NE, PHI, SD, ATL and GB.
The teams with the top 5 defenses were (in order): PIT, GB, CHI, SD and the NYJ.
| Team | Off | Def | Net | |
| 1 | New England Patriots | 73.0 | 51.5 | +21.5 |
| 2 | Green Bay Packers | 60.8 | 41.6 | +19.2 |
| 3 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 58.1 | 39.2 | +18.9 |
| 4 | San Diego Charges | 63.5 | 45.4 | +18.1 |
| 5 | Philadelphia Eagles | 66.3 | 53.9 | +12.4 |
Three things jump out immediately
- New England's offense was so good that they didn't need the best defense. However, much of their failures in the divisional round against the Jets were the result of an offense that struggled mightily to perform at a high level as well as a defense that could not get off the field on third downs. New England's offense masked a defense that ranked 13th in my unit rating.
- San Diego performed so well in many areas but made some of the most unimaginable mistakes that cost them at least two games last season.
- Despite what critics might say about stats, the two Super Bowl teams were in the top 3 of this one.
When the 2011 season ends, I can assure you the teams that do not register top 5 ratings in this stat or my net quarterback rating stat have almost no chance to make it to the Super Bowl.
Why? Because the best teams are the most complete teams and are almost always led by great quarterbacks and are almost always the best at defending against the pass.
What does this have to do about Denver @ Green Bay? Everything.
Denver has a front office that claims it is in the process of building a champion, and in week four, they face off against the 2010 NFL champion Packers. Hopefully, being on the road against a champion will help motivate this team to play like one.
DENVER OFFENSE vs. GREEN BAY DEFENSE
John Fox and the rest of the front office continue to stand by Kyle Orton as the starting quarterback.
Kyle Orton and Denver's offense ranks 23rd with a 61.2 rating. Green Bay has actually struggled to defend the pass much more than anticipated. They rank 18th with a 74.9 defensive quarterback rating.
If Kyle is going to have success, Fox and McCoy would be wise to try and test Green Bay's secondary. According to NFL.com, Denver has 7 passes of 20+ yards (t-23rd) and 1 pass of 40+ yards (t-18th). Green Bay has allowed 19 passes of 20+ yards (31st) and 2 passes of 40+ yards (t-16th).
In the running game, Denver has really struggled. In my offensive unit rating, they have the 27th rated rushing attack with a score of 38.2. Green bay has been excellent in stopping the run, with an NFL-best rating of 32.4. As bad as Denver has been at running the ball, running backs have had an even harder time rushing against the Packers.
According to TeamRankings.com, the Packers have allowed a touchdown on 30.77 percent of drives in the red zone (4th). For Denver to improve upon it's 11th ranked red zone offense (50.00 %), they will need to run more effectively on the goal line.
While Denver has improved in pass protection, with only 3 sacks allowed over the last two games, they will need to limit the number of hits as well. After 6 QB hits allowed against Oakland, Denver has only allowed 4 over the last two weeks.
This steady improvement is a good sign the offensive line is slowly coming together, but will have to play a great game against a Green Bay defense that has 10 sacks (t-4th) and 17 QB hits. Green Bay has also forced 7 turnovers.
For Denver to have any success, they will have to protect Orton and create running lanes for McGahee and Ball (and hopefully Moreno, too). While this may seem obvious, I believe the best way to attack the Packers is through the air first. If Denver can have some success on deep passing plays and stick with runs to balance the offense, Denver has a chance to get into scoring position more often and put some of the pressure on the defense.
Here are some more stats to chew on:
| Stat |
DEN Offense |
GB Defense |
| Yards/Play | 4.5 |
6.3 |
| Passing YPG |
210.3 |
359.3 |
| Rushing YPG |
76.0 |
55.0 |
| 3rd/4th Down % |
46.3 |
42.9 |
| Points/Game |
17.0 |
22.3 |
The bottom line here is Denver is going to need to score more points than 17, and that starts with a more aggressive game plan.
DENVER DEFENSE vs. GREEN BAY OFFENSE
Aaron Rodgers is having a tremendous season so far that is rivaling Brady's 2007 season and Manning's 2004 season. He currently has a rating of 114.5 and is on pace to set the record for highest regular season completion percentage at 71.8. He also has only 1 turnover on 113 passes and runs.
Unfortunately for Denver, their defense is ranked 31st against the pass, with a 99.2 rating. I know most of MHR readers will look to Dumervil, Bailey, DJ Williams and possibly Marcus Thomas to bolster the defense, but so far, it has not been good.
Denver has allowed opposing quarterbacks to complete 67.7 percent of their passes for 7.6 yards per throw. This will need to improve against the most accurate quarterback in the NFL, who is also throwing for 8.9 yards per throw. Denver has been much better when they need to, only allowing 5 passing touchdowns (t-15th).
Denver has struggled to force negative passing plays so far this season, even if it is a result of injuries to key starters. Denver has only forced 1 turnover by a quarterback so far, on a sack-fumble by Von Miller against Tennessee.
Denver has also registered only 5 sacks and 7 QB hits, including two sacks and two hits on Titan's QB Matt Hasselbeck. This was the same Tennessee offensive line that allowed only 1 QB hit from the "vaunted" Ravens defense.
Pass defense is the only area that is holding Denver back from becoming a top-ten ranked unit. If they can begin to generate a better pass rush, more turnovers, shorter drives and fewer yards allowed will follow. Until then, they will struggle to force teams punt early on drives.
Denver has shown a drastic improvement from last season in run defense. Last season, they had a defensive rusher rating of 66.9, 31st in the NFL. So far this season, they rank 10th with a rating of 47.2.
Denver has only allowed 1 rushing touchdown and ranks t-13th with 3.7 yards per carry allowed but has allowed 4 rushes over 20+ yards and 1 rush over 40 yards. With the injury to Grant, Green Bay will most likely have to rely on RB James Starks, who has almost identical numbers as Grant.
The Packers run the ball effectively, even if it is not in volume. They average 4.2 yards per carry and 25.7 rushing attempts per game. Even though their passing game will do more than enough to win games, they have much more balance this year than they did in 2010.
For Denver to have any success against the Packer's offense, it starts with the edge rushers. If Dumervil and DJ Williams return, that add some great speed and athleticism to the front seven. It appears Vaughn and Goodman have really struggled in coverage, so the addition of Bailey would definitely be an upgrade. Again, the health of the entire defensive unit will play a huge role in how much they are able to limit the prolific Green Bay passing game.
Here are some more stats to chew on:
| Stat |
DEN Defense |
GB Offense |
| Yards/Play | 5.4 | 6.5 |
| Passing YPG |
234.7 |
294.3 |
| Rushing YPG |
100.0 |
109.0 |
| 3rd/4th Down % |
34.9 |
47.4 |
| Points/Game |
20.7 |
30.7 |
The bottom line here is Denver is going to need to generate a better pass rush. Their front four are holding up well at the point of attack, but they are not generating enough pressure to force the quarterback into negative plays.
On Special teams, Denver has done very well so far. Prater has made 3 of 4 field goals (his 1 miss was 50+ yards) and he has 13 touchbacks on all 13 kickoffs. He is the only kicker that has over 80 percent.
Green Bay's kicker, Mason Crosby, has made all 5 of his field goals and he has 9 touchbacks on 20 kickoffs. He currently ranks 20th with a 45.0 percent touchback percentage.
On punts, Colquitt has been excellent in all three games, with the only blemish being a blocked punt in the home opener against Oakland. He currently ranks 4th with a net average of 43.7, including 6 inside the 20 yard line.
Green Bay's punter, Tim Masthay, has really struggled and has a net average of 27.8, last in the NFL and only two inside the 20 yard line.
Conclusion
Obviously, the numbers indicate that this game will be very difficult for Denver to compete in. The fact that it is on the road makes it an even tougher challenge. While I do believe that Denver has a good group of players on offense and defense, even if they are young or new to the team, I maintain the belief that leadership is the most important aspect of any sports team, just like it is in any other business.
This is on the coaching staff to prepare this team and put them in the best possible situation to succeed. It is tough to say that the only thing that matters in this game is wins, but at some point coaches need to be measured by the production of the group they are in authority over.
For Head Coach John Fox, that is the entire Broncos team. This means he is ultimately responsible for all of the successes and all the failures, whether that is fair or not. While Fox (and DC Dennis Allen) has had a positive influence on the defense, the offense has noticeably dropped off from last season. Whether that is on Fox or McCoy, the bottom line is an improvement needs to be made over the rest of the season.
Denver has the players to pull the upset, but Green Bay has far superior talent and great coaching to bring out the best in the players. If it was in Denver, I would predict a close 24-27 loss, but Denver has struggled on offense this year. So, I expect a 27-17 score that may be close until midway through the fourth quarter.
Thankfully, upsets can happen. Hopefully, we get to see one this weekend. Go Broncos!
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should have an all of the above option.
by HawaiiBroncoFan on Sep 30, 2011 4:40 PM MDT reply actions
Yep!
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11) Official projection 10-6 (9-6-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
that would have gotten my vote
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Indeed
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I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Oct 1, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I do believe the Broncos have a great chance
we just need to not kill ourselves.
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Sep 30, 2011 4:50 PM MDT reply actions
This one is on McCoy.....
He needs to bring something completely different this week. Aggressive would be an understatement. The QB needs to execute under pressure. If we do this, and the D gets Doom and Champ back, it’s not out of the realm of possibility to get the upset.
Thanks for the breakdown!
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11) Official projection 10-6 (9-6-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
These stats depress me.....
Orton hasn’t even face a top 5 pass defense yet and has looked like crap…
so those Titans tools
aren’t as good as they purport to be, eh? I’ll bet Colt McCoy lights up those frauds
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Sep 30, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Well he's going up against the 31st ranked pass D
Feel better?
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-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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Damn weak take from a person who should be brainy.
Our offense looks like crap.
Orton is just part of it.
ridiculous to constantly blame him.
Gawd it’s getting so bad that I’m starting to dream about the day that the Tebow lovers eat crow… even tho i want him to succeed…
reminds me so much of the time when ya’all went on & ON & ON (!) about McD’s plan….
eat your crow in secret then (you know who you are)
Our season HAS NOT been about Orton! goodness freaking gracious.
I look forward to a time when it IS down to our avg QB
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 30, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks WB
Tebow fans should be happy that he is not the one getting beat up out there every weekend. It is embarassing to me the way some members of our fanbase have treated Orton. No he is not playing well, no he will never be a top 5 QB, but to say he is the main reason for the team’s lack of success is just plain wrong.
I will never boo a member of my own team.
I will never assume to know more about players than our coaching staff.
And when Tebow is gone, I will still be a Broncos fan.
by azdenfan on Oct 1, 2011 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
QB rating
obviously there is confusion with what my rating actually measures, compared to the NFL’s passer rating and ESPN’s new QBR.
I did say Orton and the offense have a rating of 61.2, meaning they are all responsible for it. Unlike passer rating, I take sacks into account, which are as much a responsibility of the offensive line as the QB. I also measure accuracy, which can be lower due to dropped passes.
Its a total passing game rating, not just for Orton. I am not here to bash Orton, but I am measuring what has happened. Don’t mistake my analysis for dislike for certain players because I have a perceived idea of who would be the best.
Orton has completed only 57.3 percent of his pass, and guess what, he only completed 58.8 percent of his passes last year. He simply is not the most accurate passer.
Up until this season, he has had a 2-1 touchdown to turnover ratio, for the most part. Well, this year he has only 5 touchdowns to go with 5 turnovers. Are all of them his fault? Maybe not. But does that really matter? They still happened and have contributed to both of the teams losses.
Teams that win the passing battle tend to win games over 80 percent of the time. All I am saying is the entire offense needs to pick it up, from the coaches down to the quarterback, the wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and obviously the entire offensive line. That is it. If they want to defeat Green Bay, it starts with that. This game preview had absolutely nothing to do with Tebow until you brought him into the discussion.
by intelanalyst on Oct 1, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Offensive line needs to dominate in order to win
We need to treat this game like we would one against Manning or Brady. Keep them off the field. If the offensive line can dominate the line of scrimmage, our chances of winning increases exponentially.
They need to give Orton enough time to find the receivers, and they need to make some big holes for the backs to run through. I think the running game will have the biggest effect on this game. The longer the offense can pound the rock, the less time our D has to spend on the field.
Even if we do get some excellent line play, we will need a little luck (might not be such a bad time to get on the board as far as INTs are concerned.
by Trapped in O.C. on Sep 30, 2011 10:51 PM MDT reply actions
i voted run game
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 30, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
makes everything else work right
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 30, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Team
Our defense and special teams need to play perfect also, or those mistakes they make at times will be 7pts. every time
This might be the best article I've read on MHR
I am very impressed with the statistical work you have done and you have laid out a very tichnical perspective in an extremely intuitive way. I hate that the statistics show how bad we have been but your conclusions make perfect sense to me!! Thanks and rec’d!!
by BronxBlues on Oct 2, 2011 9:57 AM MDT via mobile reply actions

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