Man sells property to hunt for gold...missing the bonanza in his own back yard.
Watching the waiver wire movement for O-line, DT, CB prospects was a major focus as soon as the last preseason game completed. Well, it appears we have picked up one of the more coveted CB FA from NE. We may yet get a DT or two from FA cuts, and possibly an O-lineman. Since there was no waiver activity I was forced to peruse the practice squad signings and was pleasantly surprised with you tube clips on Adam Grant. We may have a diamond in the rough in our own back yard while we were looking for gold elsewhere. The video clips I saw showed an ability to box his blocks in or out, an ability to scan for and pick up stunts when not currently engaged in blocking, an impressive ability to get to the second level, and I LOVED how he moved from a "no one to block" play to sliding into a double team where he hand punched the opponent into the ground. Scouting reports says he tends to play too high and cites a lack of playing experience, due to injury and a position switch form TE but these speak to "coachability" issues to me. In other words, he could easily be coached out of these bad habits.
Many have trashed our entire 2nd team O-line through training camp and preseason, and I have to acknowledge apprehension if not disgust at times with the lack of protection from that group, BUT I have to say video footage indicates Chris Clark and Herb Taylor have some raw potential. The overall feel for me is we have an excellent O-line coach capable of coaching these guys up, including the starters, and that we will get stronger and stronger as the year progresses.
In fact, if there is an overall theme for this post it is the sense that we have a real chance to keep improving through out the year, to get stronger and stronger in virtually every personnel category with the possible exclusion of our kickers (they are playing at an elite level now). Take our front seven comprised of newcomers, position switches, and rookies, there is no way they don't improve just from playing time with each other, getting familiar with each other. By mid-season I see us defending the screen pass much better and our middle run defense tightening up considerably.
Same thing with our secondary. With Dawk and Champ there to shepherd the development of Vaugh, Raheim Moore, and Carter I suspect the secondary will be vastly improved by the 2nd half of the season. Our secondary was vilified last year but injuries slowed down both Dawk and Andre Goodman and there was NO penetration/pressure by the front 7 to take the pressure off the secondary like there is now. IF, and this is a HUGE "IF" we stay healthy this position group could be truly scary by mid-season.
Personally, it appears to me that we have THE most receiving potential this team has EVER had and I've been a Bronco Maniac since 1967. It boggles the mind to add in the TE athleticism and speed with two high quality possession receivers (Royal and Erick Decker). Couple this with the down field speed of Brandon Loyd, Willis, and later in the year Demetryius Thomas and we have some dynamite ready to explode.
Unfortunately, there is NOT a great sense that our running backs have a lot more upside than we're seeing right now. That's not to say they won't be very effective, but I don't see them showing the kind of growth by mid-season that is the general theme of this post. The same can be said of Orton just in terms of physical limits. We need to stay healthy here more than any other position and "coach our butts off" with the other two QBs.
In fact, we need to stay relative injury free across the entire team and we absolutely MUST keep Orton's uni clean if we are to achieve playoff contention let alone success. Having said that this year just may prove to be one of the most enjoyable to watch relative to what we've seen for the past 10 or better.
Here's to a healthy year, persistent growth throughout the year, and a guarantee we will beat the Raiders twice, IF we stay healthy.
Stuff the rest of the West up the collective bum! Go Broncos! That's my story and I'm stickn to it!
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good read
but dont you think the o-line playing better and improving will also improve the running game?
Lately it occurs to me,
What a long strange trip it's been. Jerry Garcia
Absolutely, it's just the lack of depth I currently see at the position.
Knowshown has never been the disappointment to me that others have expressed. I have always felt he was the victim of poor run blocking rather than lacking in talent. My expectation is he will have a HUGE year, BUT there appears to be very little depth to this position.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 5, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree man
I’ve never been as down on Moreno as most here have been. He’s consistently made plays when given an opportunity, and if we remember back to those first 6 games under McD, Knowshon and Buck were looking like a feared tandem. We all know the rest of that story…… the entire team, from top to bottom, offense to defense, position to position, fell the hell apart (with the tiny exception of our secondary in 2009 and our pass O from 2010). Something funny though…… I have been down on players like McBath & Lance Ball, where most here have liked them for some reason. To each is own.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
Too many times we try to be right, in terms of personnel choices, rather than just focusing on whom or what improves the team.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 5, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Moreno has to prove he can stay healthy if we're going to be successful.
Without him and we suffer tremendously…
Exactly the reason we need to pick up another quality back...preferrably a banger.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 5, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
YES
A Michael Bush type that preferably has no injury concerns would be hella nice!!!
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
true but
a hammy injury is 1 that needs to be healed properly & knowshon probably feeling pressured to perform also probably rushed himself back, to me an injury prone player, is 1 who goes down constantly with multiple different injuries.
NO PRESSURE... NO DIAMONDs
by xSH3LLshOckRx on Sep 5, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
true but
a hammy injury is 1 that needs to be healed properly & knowshon probably feeling pressured to perform also probably rushed himself back, to me an injury prone player, is 1 who goes down constantly with multiple different injuries.
NO PRESSURE... NO DIAMONDs
by xSH3LLshOckRx on Sep 5, 2011 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats a good take on it
I never thought about Knowshon was getting rushed into it too soon, but it makes sense now that you mention it. Hopefully he was able to heal fully with the lockout in place
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
great post and read individually we do have a couple OL players who could back up our starters,...
I have also seen more fundamental coaching going on this year than I have in years. I like Fox and his staff. time will tell but I don’t see us being blown out a bunch and I think we will compete in our division.
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
Bringing true talent to the surface is the essence of coaching and it appears we have a pleathora of "teachers" to accomplish this.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 5, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice post...maybe just the 2nd unit as a whole sucked, because they were terrible. Hoping Clark and Taylor can play up to the talent around them.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
boydy always says what needs to be said go broncos!
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
As they say in Mongolia.......
Boydy is duh sheeet!!!!! (?)
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
Really, looking at the Oline and comparing this year to last year, we are headed in the right direction.
Last year, Clady was still recovering from injury and not up to form, Walton and Beadles were inexperienced and overmatched, and we never resolved the RT issue.
This year, Clady is healthy and he and Kuper are playing at a high level. Walton and Beadles have a year of experience onder their belt. Walton is now at or above average and Beadles is better but still lacking. Franklin is raw and will make a lot of mistakes but will also make some plays, especially run blocking. I expect to be shaking my head a few times, but we will be better. Depth is still a problem, but I agree that a couple of our backups can fill in if needed (but there will be a significant drop-off in performance).
We will have a better OL than last year, but we will need some luck in the injury department.
Golly gee boydy, you are going to have to work on being direct in what you think:O)
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
Yeah man...need to look at not being so introverted and wishy washy!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Psyched on our team...will tolerate our QB if i have to for another year!
Boydy
keep on keepin’ on mate!!!!!
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
lol
No matter who starts at QB, we will be 8-8 or better (8-2-11) Official projection 10-6 (9-6-11)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
It is well to remember.....
that building a team is a marathon over a couple of years.The players have to learn a new system and be coached as to techniques in that system. College to pros is a big jump. Team to team is another. Throw in a new coaching organization and new schemes, and you have the makings of a mararthon rather than a sprint.That’s why patience would be a good trait in “fans”.
by Gulbrand on Sep 5, 2011 3:47 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Exactly!
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 5, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I will agree
that out of the entire backup O-Line, Chris Clark has flashed the most potential out of the pre-season (which isn’t saying a whole, whole lot……. however). John Fox, for a long time now, has built a reputation as being a “players” coach, and John Elway couldn’t have made a better decision in hiring a guy to turn this franchise around in the short and long term. We’re talking about a guy that took a 1 win Carolina team, turned them around into a 7 win team the very next year, then went straight to the Super Bowl the thrid year. Go back and look at that Carolina team he inherited, and tell me the Broncos squad he took over this year doesn’t have more top end talent. Add in the exceptional rookie talent of Von Miller, Rahim Moore, and Deebo (Big “O”), and we have a chance to go places year one. I honestly think that even though we are tied for the 3rd most difficult schedule in football (based on last year, of course), we can possibly win 10 games. GO BRONCS!!!!!
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
I can't help but think that some of the teams we face this year have regressed some and may struggle during the season.
It usually happens and this year doesn’t look any different. The Packers are more healthier than last year so they probably will win their division. The Patriots are aways good, but they struggle coming to Mile High for some reason. I got that one. The Jets talk a lot of crap (Rex Ryan does anyway) and the y put up more than they don’t. I see them coming into Mile High feeling pumped for the playoffs. We could send them home in a tail-spin. The Bears! The bear for some reason keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Where is their Oline going to take Jay Cutler this year? Stop the big plays and we win this one. The Detroit Lions will come to town and i have a feeling that they will leave scratching their heads. Nick Fairley will be gassed by half time and Suh will get his quarterback throttles. The broncos in their house will remain poised and win a hard fought battle when Matt Stafford makes two critcal errors.
The Broncos go 5-3 at home they will be in the playoffs…
As a whole, the 2nd team OLine looked pathetic,
but, if we need a sub for some reason then I think we will be OK. I do hope we get another RT/LT backup just in case…
Coach Fox and DC Dennis Allen have slowly created an anaconda that will squeeze the life out of opposing offenses, like mice not knowing they are about to be devoured…
We do have a nice compliment of receivers ad if the OLine holds up the this unit should be a catalyst for success behind a solid run game. Orlando Franklin may play a critical part of our successes or failures. He is raw and needs time to develop into his role. I want to see him get more physical even if it means a fight. He has to show who is boss of the LOS…
I was just thinking about Dennis Allen.
The thought surfaces that he might be a candidate to replace Fox a few years down the line. I like the idea of keeping the same philosophy in place, taking the personnel apart only to rebuild within the same system a la NE, Pitt, & GB.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
I've thought this as well, but I want a DC that will stay the DC for more than a season.
Give Dennis Allen 3 years at DC and I think he will be ready to take the reins. If EFX keep building this defense through the draft and quality depth then I can’t see any reason why we can’t be a top 5 defense in 3 years. maybe sooner if next years drat has a couple of gems we find.
Yes, this sounds like a more than reasonable time line....sure impressed with Allen to this point.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 5, 2011 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Rec # X from me good sir. I put a lot of stock in your opinion..
It wasn't him Charlie, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Ya remember that? 'This ain't your night.' My night I could of taken Wilson apart. ~ Brando aka Terry Malloy
Thanks Zac Man
More than anything else I am looking forward to 3rd and long, the home crowd rattling the bleachers, and Rocky Mountain Thunder! I was there for the AFC Denver/Cleveland game and Byner’s fumble…..the highlight of my “live” viewing history. I can picture the resurrection of the old Mile High Magic now!
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 6, 2011 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Was there too, Bronco. East stands, south end, railing, 3rd deck and absolutely could not believe it when I saw Byner fumble.
They were driving, we were in trouble, the crowd went crazy, as you know. Fun game, and yes, the stands were shaking big time!
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Sep 6, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
GOOD POST
but i disagree with the O-line assessment, IMO EFX probably doesn’t want to spend anymore money untill needed, so i feel were basically stuck with these guys because they are cheap to keep around
NO PRESSURE... NO DIAMONDs
The second unit Oline has been
Maligned and hammered on all preseason. People fail to realize that most these guys were only there as camp fodder. The only experience they had playing as a unit was in the limited reps they got in camp. Thats hardly enough time to gel as a unit which is paramount to effective line play. The lockout played a role in that. Normally in the preseason, the second unit has had a lot more time together. Keeping the guys that we had in camp makes more sense then snatching someone off the waiver wire that has to learn the whole system before they can be effective. Our Oline backups will be just fine!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
true
but i seen these guys get manhandled by other 2nd & 3rd stringers during this preseason, IMO O-line & RB are positions in the NFL were u can automatically see if someone can hold their own, & seeing these guys block makes feel like getting off my couch & taking 1 of their spots lol,
NO PRESSURE... NO DIAMONDs
by xSH3LLshOckRx on Sep 6, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
As stated earlier I am a believer in developing talent.
Just as in investing there is “upside” potential and “downside” potential when it comes to player development. Now honestly, does anyone think ANY coach is going to “coach up” Dawk much more, if any, than he already is? His downside is purely age related as even he will testify. I saw enough video to intrigue when it comes to Clark, Taylor, and Adam Grant. Not a lot to go on but it does appear they have the upside potential over picking up a reject from another system as someone mentioned earlier in the thread.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
Good stuff.
I thought you were going to talk about McD and his inability to find the bonanza in his own backyard. It’s a shame he destroyed our offense and never improved the defense.
The Broncos just didn't give Josh McDaniels
enough time to see his vision through and they also put too much pressure on him!!!
The man was a legend in his own mind. Too bad it didn't match reality.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
lmao extremely funny
NO PRESSURE... NO DIAMONDs
by xSH3LLshOckRx on Sep 6, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Great pump piece...
Well, maybe with the exception that Herb Taylor got cut today. What was the point again?
BtD
If you think I hate you, you may have a point.

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