Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 9/7/11

He gets away when someone is being held.

Tebow has made some very good improvements in the pocket, and according to Greise, Tebow is the best deep thrower on the roster, so i think Tebow is pretty close.

Tebow learned what he needed to lead the team he had in Florida. Being a smart kid, he can be taught the skills he needs to lead the team they way Fox and McCoy want the team to be lead. Elway’s comments are very telling – a QB that can lead from inside the pocket. Pretty clear what he is looking for first. Judging by preseason, I would say that Tebow is working hard to learn to lead the team from inside the pocket. I am optimistic.

All we need is a OC and HC that has the balls and creativity to be able to use his strengths, and teach him to be capable on his weaknesses. Kinda coaching 101…but with the “we want to win now” mentality from this franchise and fans, we may never see it.

only joking lol

Kyle is the type of quarterback much like Tom Brady who feels more comfortable in the pocket than out. His bread and butter is the playaction pass and he often uses it. I like how he mixes up the plays and doesn’t show his hand on any given play. Kyle does need a solid OLine to ensure his safety in the pocket and he uses his time allowed pretty darn good. I wouldn’t ever classify Orton as a scramber, but he can get out once in a while and make plays. Being highly mobil is not his forte…

If it was about last season, but its a new year. These teams are a lot different than the teams that squared off last season. It remains to be seen if our run stopping woes will continue. We are much improved at every level of the defense, including the maligned DT position. I know I am sick of hearing about last year’s debacle, and I am sure our defense is too. I think our guys are going to be looking for redemption!

The Raiders will have to pass the ball at some point, and when they do, look out! Its a brand new season and the Raiders are about to figure it out, the hard way!

Is it just frustration or do you really want them to give up on Tebow just because you don’t like the attitude of some of the fans?

because of hype would be a huge mistake. This knee jerk reaction to cut or trade him is just as insane as the hurry up and start him line. Can’t there be a middle ground where the guy gets to learn?

CompUser – not trying to single you out, more toward MSM types who have this all or nothing mentality.

Well, sure, but somebody’s got to play until Elway gets “his” guy.

at Orton’s athleticism because he will be playing healthier than he has been in the past two seasons. Hopefully, Orton will be able to stay healthier because of a better front line that will open up the running game and also enable receivers to get down field and open faster, so he can get rid of the ball faster. But hopefully, we’ll never need to know how athletic he really is or isn’t. A lot of hoping, but I can see it happening. As long as everyone else also stays healthy and does their jobs, so Orton can do his.

I know it’s awfully hard for you to give Orton any credit. (But I love ya, anyway.) But he is more mobile than you seem to think. I have seen him run out of trouble. I have seen him twist out of a defender’s grasp. (In the final KC game of 2009, he did that twice in the same play!) I have seen him throw on the run. No, Fran Tarkenton, he is not, but he still is more mobile than a lot of people seemingly want to give him credit for.

What Elway wants is a QB who can get the Broncos into the playoffs. Orton played at a Pro Bowl level last year, until his last two games when he had those rib injuries, according to the assessments of many pundits. Elway himself agreed that Orton “played at a record-shattering, Pro Bowl pace,” to which he added, “and then there were those rib injuries.”

I believe Elway is doing what Fox is doing: Seeing what happens. If Orton plays lights-out, and the Broncos go 8-8 or better, then you just might see a new contract in effect for him. And, as well as he played last year with virtually no TEs or running game and an O-line that blew, don’t be surprised if he does, now that he has a running game and TEs, and a better O-line.

My only criticism of Orton is the lack of mobility and for that I trust my own two eyes. He throws a good ball, he is a smart QB, his team seems to respect him, and we’ve all seen him play through pain. But I have also seen him go to ground as soon as the pocket collapses. Let’s hope he, and by extension, the Broncos have a better year.

so many times from the Broncos starting QB.
This did not come from sources, it came from my own eyes. The dudes best pass as a Bronco is off a deflection. Now I’ll root for him because he is a Bronco, but to suddenly call him anything more then he is, which is an average QB, is the biggest MYTH of all.

Brady isn’t a runner, but his 6th sense of when to slide in the pocket is maddening. Also, Brady doesn’t lose any accuracy or velocity when throwing on the move. Orton’s drops by about half.

It’s true Orton may not be more mobile than Brees, but he is at least as mobile. Perhaps you haven’t seen Orton outrun linebackers around the flank, but I have.

Anyway, that still leaves Manning and Brady, and I forgot about Rivers. Orton is more mobile than all three of them. Now, I expect people to jump on this and start bringing out the myths involving other areas of Orton’s game. But the issue here is mobility, nothing else.

Orton played much of his career on high ankle sprains: half of 2008 and all of 2009. Guess what? You don’t have mobility when playing on high ankle sprains. Last year, 2010, commentators were talking about Orton’s “surprising mobility.” He is not the statue that some of his haters would have us to believe. He does have the ability to extend a play. I know because I’ve seen him do it.

I don’t know why you bother to respond to me if you don’t bother to read my comments . . .
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….bit of a statement that really doesn’t say anything at all.

and while I hate the Raiders, believe it or not, some of the fans actually treat me with respect! Of course, I still want to crush them because they are the Raiders!

did you even read the post or my quote from it? Maybe if I blockquote it

3. Left offensive tackle
"He protects the most important player’s blindside. You can’t play if the guys you can’t see coming keep hitting you. He has to be athletic, smart and tough, and you hope he’s there a long time."

Without getting too into it… I think the very rare cases of long starting Lefties are a pretty small sample size (with existing Olines – Young/Boomer). In my opinion a team WOULD focus on the right tackle if they were building a line around a Lefty they expected to have around for awhile.

a lot of good feedback about his work during this preseason…..just curious what others thought.

We haven’t see a whole lot of Mitch and his skillset but I would venture that McBean is miles ahead of him. This may be Ryan’s year to make a breakout with the talent around him pushing him…Sometimes that’s what it takes.

I hope Manning is going to be OK – I hate seeing any talented player been forced out of the league by injury.

Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing him meet VonDoom in the playoffs soon and we can revenge the 2004/05 loss in the right way!

I’m glad he got a ring even though I rooted against the Colts pretty consistently.

there is a great possibility that Peyton could be paralyzed with a big hit. I don’t think Peyton would want to face our boys any time soon. He may find himself lifeless laying on the field, and that would be good for anybody…