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9 months ago Maltese_cross_tiny Colinski 11 comments 0 recs  | 

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That tells me we're not Satisfied w/depth and quality of our backfield....

I’d look for addition of another CB, while moving chris harris to PS. Our Exec Mgmt Team seems to have developed a dislike for DTs so I guess we’re set:)

"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM

by Hogblog on Sep 9, 2011 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

CB situation

I’ve seen team carry 6 CBs, so — yes — we’d still like to improve our depth at CB. The CB position has a roster target number that’s larger than any other position on defense. You need as many quality CBs as receivers the offense can throw at you (under relatively normal conditions). Hail Mary situations can have 5 receivers. A Safety or two can augment numbers but it would behoove a team to have at least 4 solid CBs.

We were weak last year because of inexperience and our situation has worsened. Vaughn is improved but he’s the third CB, which tells you how little depth there is. Wilhite is a welcome addition but that still leaves us with poor depth. The waiving of Cox combined with Squid’s injury and the Nate Jones cut (you can see why stayed on the roster so long now), put us in a weak position.

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by Colinski on Sep 9, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dislike??

Warren and Bunkley sure tells me about the “dislike” angle. Next Tuesday, there may be more changes. And trading deadline is wwell down the road……

by Gulbrand on Sep 9, 2011 9:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Guys..you have to remember our position #2

BUT Carolina needs CB’s and DT’s. So if one becomes availabl (Butler)e on waivers, the Broncos will not get that award.
The Broncos must think that Warren will be ready before the BYE because he is active. And with Warren, Bunkley, Vickerson, and Thomas they have a formital rotation.

by myerda00 on Sep 9, 2011 11:17 AM MDT reply actions  

It may be best we didn't get him.

I read on NFL.com (I think) that the Patriots waived him because he wasn’t very good on special teams. i don’t know if that is 100% true, but if it is it’s good he didn’t make it to us.

"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal

by AvalancheRescueDog on Sep 9, 2011 1:22 PM MDT reply actions  

NE tried to trade him, could find no takers, so they released him

For our part, we released Gronkowski, who NE picked up.

Seems to me would could have traded Gronkowski for Butler and avoided Carolina’s claim.

But we didn’t.

by JeffG on Sep 9, 2011 8:51 PM MDT reply actions  

interest V. willingness to trade

NE probably wouldn’t have traded for Gronkowski, IMO. They were willing to offer him a roster spot, however. Butler had value but they still couldn’t trade him, which is a different scenario than the one we faced with Gronkowski.

Teams part with draft picks only when it’s absolutely necessary and for players who meet various criteria, such as impact, need, etc. Growkowski has some use as a player but he’s not going to draw much interest in trade talks. It’s invalid logic to equate Butler and Gronkowski based on the likewise status of not making a roster. Butler was subject to waiver claims whereas Gronkowski was not, which is an indicator of teams’ interest.

******* George Santayana described fanaticism as -- "redoubling your effort after you've forgotten your aim"

by Colinski on Sep 10, 2011 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Never know until you try

After all, I seem to recall a team parting with a draft pick — a corner, even! — for Gronkowski.

Perhaps no one told them that they were operating under the auspices of invalid logic. And perhaps NE would have fallen into the same illogical trap, had we simply tried asking.

Is my point.

But maybe we did, and the whole thing is moot.

by JeffG on Sep 11, 2011 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

my understanding is

They make calls to many teams and the reverse is true. There are conversations between teams on a continuous (more or less) basis that allow them to gauge other teams’ interest. It’s tough to get anyone to indicate interest in a player such as Gronkowski, because his original value was benchmarked in the draft as not particularly valuable. He’s gained some value in the interim but lacks any particular outstanding quality that would make him tradeworthy. Teams value draft picks so highly that they’re reluctant to part with one unless there’s some overriding reason.

It’s easier to wait until the final cut and pick up a TE, and we had to cut someone. There are so many TEs out there lately that it’s hard to trade them. There’s a glut of supply that makes only the elite ones worth giving up a pick for.

Re: Phonz. We decided to dump Phonz and we tried to recoup some value for him — IMO. We had to give up one CB at the final cut and Phonz was the one who was tradeworthy. We were willing to go with Cox/Squid/Vaughn and forgo the problems that kept recurring in Phonz’s difficult learning process. And he’s still having problems, but he has ball skills that make him attractive to a team that is experiencing extreme problems at CB. We should have gotten more for him but teams become unwilling trading partners once they conclude that you’re going to dump a player anyway. Timing is important, too. It’s very difficult to arrange a trade around the time of the final cut. Our trade of Gaffney and acquisition of Bunkley illustrate how little a quality player can be worth.

******* George Santayana described fanaticism as -- "redoubling your effort after you've forgotten your aim"

by Colinski on Sep 12, 2011 2:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

We got the better of the two.

Jonathan Wilhite was a steal and he will pay instant dividends. He is better than Squid, Cox or anyone else playing CB on our team not named Champ or Goody. I imagine he will be third CB.

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by grind_core on Sep 10, 2011 12:05 AM MDT reply actions  

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