Denver Broncos: 2011 AFC West Champions
by John Bena on Jan 1, 2012 5:33 PM MST
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PrintThe Denver Broncos didn't win their game today, and in the end they didn't need to. Thanks to Philip Rivers and the San Diego Chargers, the Broncos are the Champions of the AFC West for the first time since 2005. The Chargers went to Oakland and beat the Raiders 38-26, ending Oakland's chances at the post-season.
The difference? In a tiebreaker, the Broncos took 'common-opponent record', specifically that magical win over the Miami Dolphins. The Raiders lost to the Dolphins a few weeks later and in the end, after 16 games, that win was the difference.
The Broncos will face the Pittsburgh Steelers next weekend. We'll talk all about that in the days ahead, but for now, after an ugly performance, take a moment to enjoy an AFC West Championship, in a season where winning the division seemed a highly unlikely goal. The Broncos got it done, however, and the playoffs have returned to Denver for the first time in 6 years.
GO BRONCOS!
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Um, go Broncos?
It’ll feel much better when we’re actually playing the game next week, or at least start to get into playoffs hype. But right now, backing into the playoffs… I feel like a lowly Chiefs fan or something. So dirty.
GO BRONCOS!
Please, please get an Offense!
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
Lowly Chiefs fan
yeah sure
Lucky Charles, Berry, Moeaki, and Siler didnt play this year. JC would have ran 200 yards against the broncos like the last game two years ago.
Next year AFC West belongs to the Chiefs. Have fun getting blown out by the Steelers
Have fun watching us next week while YOUR team is on vacation!!!
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
by bfree2bronc on Jan 1, 2012 5:48 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Ill
have alot of fun next week watching broncos play steelers
over or under on 100 yards tebow passing
over or under on 2 int
over or under on 4 sacks
not really sure yet still thinking about it
Don't care we play you don't...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
The Steelers secondary can be vulnerable if you can challenge their pass rush.
Both corners can get sloppy since the defense is built as a run-stopper.
I predict Tebow will play better.
Their D is built to stop the run?
Sorry if im not too optimistic about that one guys. Not to mention all the Bandwagon fans that make their way to Mile High that day
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
The Steelers have traditionally been a run-stopping defense that forces QBs to throw more than they want, and they have a heck of a pass rush to boot.
However, the secondary makes either great plays or terrible ones, and can be had.
My wife is a die hard Steelers fan, so I have seen a lot of their games.
Well our passing game has been horrid as of late
so thats why Im not excited for this one. Without the run, were done
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Not with Orton or Cassel as your QB
by knoepke84 on Jan 1, 2012 5:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Idk
i think we could stick with orton
but we do need to change our OC or yeah it wont happen
May your wishes be granted :)
And KC signs Orton to a 6 year contract :):) And be sure to keep Romeo while your at it!!
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
This argument is getting old.
You just got beat by Orton who sucks and Crennel who sucks, not sure that point works. If keeping Orton and Crennel mean we win 7-3 everytime it’s all good then.
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Fact is, neither team has a long term QB. Cassel, Kyle and Tebow all suck.
by ChiefUk on Jan 1, 2012 6:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I agree we need a better QB at K.C.
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Tebow is 7-4 as a starter this year. Oh yeah and in the playoffs.
" Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked" -Psalm 1
"God tolerates even our stammering, and pardons our ignorance whenever something inadvertently escapes us – as, indeed, without this mercy there would be no freedom to pray." -- John Calvin
by JohnCalvinKnox on Jan 1, 2012 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
Just agreeing with your boy
I totally feel that way. And I could care less. Your 7 year vet looked as good as our 11 game vet :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
I think Orton sucks personally, not sure what I'd label the other QBs performance as.
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Right now I could care less
how you would label it. The fact of the matter is the Broncos won more games than the Chiefs, and are headed to the playoffs. If this is a source of resentment then take it back over to AP where it will be appreciated. The only thing you are accomplishing tonight, is proving that you are as petty as most Chefs fans.
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Jan 1, 2012 8:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm petty because I argue your point, alright.
You guys wanted Tebow because he puts “Ws” on the board, will Orton is 2-1 as a Chief and is our best option at this point for that same reasoning. I don’t like Orton but he is a upgrade over what we had, and some of our key players aren’t even on the field due to injury. I personally think Orton with a full off-season and all our players back is a better option than Cassel.
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I agree Caveman...just think both our teams can do better...and personally, I like Stanzi, and Orton is De Berg...a care taker until someone better comes along!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I know both our teams can do better.
You guys still have alot of young players, but you’re still missing several key pieces. Keep Tebow and get rid of your O.C and maybe even your H.C. Fox is too damn passive and the whole team just didn’t seem right from the start.
I like Stanzi as well, but I think there whole plan is to lets him sit and learn for a couple of years. I don’t like Orton but he does give us a better chance to win, yeah he sucked it up at Denver but I think he will have more talent around him at K.C next year than he did in Denver. Trying not to be too biased on that one.
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Oh it's on next year:P
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Orton might be best for you
but not for us, if I were you I’d give Stanzi a long hard look
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 8:27 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah he may get a chance next year, but I think more time on the bench could help him.
He has potential but he needs time to develop and I think the Chiefs offense might surprise with everyone healthy next year.
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Argue my point? The only thing you are doing
is proving my point from above. KC and KO are a match made in heaven and I wish you many years of mediocrity. May Romeo keep you in the basement and continue his 24-40 track record for KC. I could care less about KC’s injuries. They happen to every team every year. To me its “crying” oever spilled milk. Long live KO and the Chefs, may they be the armpit of the AFC West for many many years to come!!!
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
People do change and improve, just because Orton sucked in Denver doesn't mean he will in K.C.
The same thing can be said for Crennel, yeah he might not be the best option at this point but a complete change could set us back even more. Crennel is a great defensive coach and with the right O.C this team can and will win next year with Orton, who is the best option at this time. No it doesn’t mean he’s a great QB, no it doesn’t mean our coaching staff is happy with the QB position, he’s just what we’ve got. Orton is a upgrade over Cassel it’s just that simple, it doesn’t have anything to do with thinking he’s the greatest. Congrats on the chance in the play-offs good for you guys and I hope Kupers injury isn’t too bad. As to the injury thing I think the Colts are a good example of what losing a good player can do.
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That's odd since just a few weeks ago you talked about how Cassel is better than Orton(of course while he was a Bronco)
by knoepke84 on Jan 2, 2012 1:24 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah you're right.
I change my mind when I watched him play with us, not that he’s a super star, but he is a slight upgrade over what we had.The difference is this, on a better all around team he will do better than he did there, even if the defense has to save his a$$.
The Chiefs WR > The Broncos WRs
The Chiefs TE > The Broncos TE
The Chiefs RB > The Broncos RB
The Chiefs Defense > The Broncos Defense
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And if its getting old then
maybe you should head back to AP :+P
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
Not that it's getting old it just makes no sense at all.
Not sure how keeping Orton who’s 2-1 with us and Crennel as well hurts us, After all we won right. Thanks for hoping we win more.
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I agree
But at this point I don’t see any other better options. I might have to deal with another year of Orton as the progress Stanzi if that’s the plan. I don’t see any QBs in this years draft where we’ll be picking at that would be a upgrade.
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No, you’re right, but I wouldn’t think of signing Orton to a long-term deal.
He’d command somewhere in the $6m/year range, and more than 2 years is a bad idea.
I wouldn't either.
They should sign him to a one year deal and that’s it. We do have 30 million in cap room.
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Makes sense.
Or, you could take a run at a Matt Flynn type for a longer-term deal.
But is he another Cassel?
Yeah I'm pretty much done with back-ups.
But Flynn could be cheaper to keep than Cassel and be just as good off the bench. I’m kinda hoping Stanzi steps up to be honest even if it costs us a few wins next year.
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Considering the other options, I do too.
He’s 2-1 for us so far, Ill take that.
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Yeah but what can you do as a fan, you just hope for the best.
I don’t like it, but I’m not callin’ the shots either. I do however think Orton will have a good season if he’s the starter.
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not much we as fans can do about it
and we thought ort could do good here also. just wish we didn’t waste this past preseason and the first 5 games on him….didn’t work out to well for us but maybe he will for you guys but I wouldn’t bet to much on that one….good luck with him….better you guys than us..Happy New Year
After years and years and years of not having a good QB you find yourself settling for average.
I didn’t want Orton and to be honest I didn’t think he’d do as well as he’s done. I thought the o-line which needs some work would get him killed, but after watching him the last 3 weeks he is a better option than Cassel. I want more than Orton at QB, but you play with who you have at time and it’s sucked around here for awhile.
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Now I'm going to play Madden with Orton and really kick you guys butts.
And yeah it’s going on rookie so I can run up the score:P
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LOL
Yeah it wasn’t that entertaining for me either. The AFC West needs to step it up some it’s getting embarrassing.
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You guys should REALLY hire McDaniels as your coach next year
You realize that I only have your best interests in mind. Right? Right!?!?
LoL, sure you do.
Sad part is it could happen:(
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I can win the S.B with Stanzi in 3 years on all-pro:P
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More like 100 -0
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haha...as you said "its sucked around here for awhile"
you aren’t telling us anything we haven’t been living for way to long..haha
I guess I should look at it from your point of view and maybe you should see it from mine…
We had Ort and we don’t want him anymore. Our hope for him to succeed here wore out.
And you see him as your hope above your old qb…haha
funny how this works. guess there is some truth in “one mans junk is another mans treasure”
good luck caveman and Happy New Year to you…
It
wasnt ortons fault Chiefs only scored 7 points today, Bill Muir is an idiot running McCluster through the middle and Jones to the sidelines
that's it
just keep making excuses for the guy, yeah it wasn’t orton’s fault we lost today, umm yeah, it’s not his fault we’ve lost 10 in a row, it’s not his fault were 6 and 21 with him as a starter
Patrick S. Hennessy
That is true to an extent, however
Bronco fans have seen Kyle Orton over a large sample size be Ortonary and nothing more. Bowe going down really hurt the passing game.
by knoepke84 on Jan 1, 2012 6:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
This isn't exactly true.
Sure, we’ve seen Kyle Orton playing a lot of games. But we’ve only seen him in six games as a Bronco when he was healthy and playing behind a somewhat effective front line, when the Broncos had a running game, with effective special teams players, and a decent defense. That was the first six games of his first season with the Broncos. From that point on, right on up to the bye this season, the Broncos have been a mess with injuries and supposedly bad coaching. And even with all the players who returned after the bye week this season, the only aspect of the Broncos that’s been consistently good in most games (there’s a couple exceptions) has been the defense.
I think the Chiefs will do quite well with Kyle Orton as their quarterback. Especially after he’s had a full off-season and training camp to learn their offensive system. Or does that full off season and training camp matter since Kyle Orton is a veteran? I say it does because, while he’s a veteran in the NFL, Kyle Orton is a rookie in the Chief’s system.
by CompUser on Jan 1, 2012 6:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh come on!!!! Really???
Kyle Orton will NEVER win more than 10 games at MOST in a season and I’d be surprised if he wins 9…unless he lands in a Trent Dilferesque situation
by knoepke84 on Jan 2, 2012 1:30 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Muir knew exactly what he was doing after the near INT for Carter on Orton...
You start getting all happy with Orton and he’ll make you sad real quick…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Ah yeah the Lowly Chiefs fans comment is kinda lame,
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Its a Broncos board dude...
You come here and try to rub salt inti a tough loss what do you expect….Roses and a thank you note….Come on man…
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
I think you forgot which tab you are in in you're browser...
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know, being a Chiefs fan I take that as a personal insult.
Having a team that sucks doesn’t make us fans lowly. I guess I’m just a dirty no good SOB for liking the Chiefs then.
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Easy
It’s all in good fun. Yes, this is a Broncos board – as has been pointed out – but it was also a(n incomplete) reference to the Chiefs being closest in my memory to backing into the playoffs like Denver just did. It’s not like my worldview is actually built on believing all Chiefs fans are “lowly” humans or something. Sports, man. Nothing should ever be so serious, yet is taken far too seriously, as sports (and sports fandom).
After being so close to playoffs in prior years,
I will take it anyway… In fact, if Big Ben does not have the usual mobility, this game could be close.
Even if if was kissing your sister in the dark you are still in the tournament
being in the playoffs is always better than not being in the playoffs
Idc how we made it
or how ugly it was. We’re in. Anything can happen. Arizona lost alot of games before they made they went on a run, seattle last year, the year carolina made the super bowl
We’re in the Playoffs. Be happy
Time to play!
We will be (and should be) pretty serious underdogs next week. Nothing to lose again. Time to stop playing scared and just go out there and play
I'll go ahead and take this stance:
There is no shame in backing into the playoffs. There are 20 other teams in the league that would have loved to be in the playoffs – backed in or not. Is this loss disheartening? Sure, a little. But in the end, the results are the same. Absolutely nothing from the regular season matters now – we have a clean slate, and as much an opportunity as the other 11 teams.
8-4. I have seen the future, and the future is bright.
by TheMorseFile on Jan 1, 2012 5:38 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Amen brother!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
The playoffs is a start and we are very young team.Much more to be positive about than negative.
Also our safeties play pretty well today without dawk. Also just want to say that Kuper had a great year I am sorry that he got hur.
He who is good at at making excuses is seldom good at anything else
Yes
the Broncos are in the playoffs, and our progression has been significantly expedited!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
Congrats on winning the division after starting 1-4
Yea they lost last 3 games but this team is one of the more amazing Broncos teams in the history of the franchise. It ultimately overcame a strike shortened season, QB controversies, head coaching changes, injuries, constant media scrutiny like no team has ever faced, horrible officiating overall, and a total change in culture and the playbook. The Broncos are back in the dance with a home game and a chance to avenge the 2006 AFC Championship loss. All Ready!!!
by knoepke84 on Jan 1, 2012 5:40 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No way Green Bay lets him walk.
I volunteer my unbroken hand to be transplanted to Von Miller prior to next weekend's game.
he is an unrestricted free Agent.
He who is good at at making excuses is seldom good at anything else
Yeah, but they're going to try to keep him.
And if you were him, why would you even think about leaving? You’re in arguably the best possible position you could be in – winning rings, learning from a great, and racking up 6 TD’s in a season-ending game. I’d hold that clipboard as long as they let me.
I volunteer my unbroken hand to be transplanted to Von Miller prior to next weekend's game.
Why would he stay?
To never have a chance to start? He’s leaving
by Triz06 on Jan 1, 2012 5:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You'd rather take reduced pay to hold a clipboard with no shot at starting
Flynn will be offered a fair bit of gold to start for a team next year and I bet he will take a starting job over a backup job any day.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Jan 1, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He'll take starter money somewhere...
If Rodgers was 35 maybe stick around, but there’s no hope of him starting for the next 10 yrs.
Why would he stay in GB? He’s already got a ring and likely will have another this year. Anybody with any level of ambition would leave and go try to make something of themselves.
Go-Go Gadget Tebow!!!!
by Kgrone on Jan 1, 2012 5:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I would never want you as my QB — no will to compete.
by emd2k3 on Jan 1, 2012 6:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know him from Adam,
but maybe he wants to start? He won’t be doing that as long as he’s sitting behind Aaron Rogers.
... why would you even think about leaving?
I had to admit I did a double take when I saw this. If Flynn has a single competitive bone is his body, he’d want to start. He has NO shot at starting in GB barring catastrophic injury. Are you kidding me man?
Why would Flynn coast on getting rings?
That’s a terrible career to have for an aspiring starting QB. He’s moving on. Green Bay will thank him kindly for his services and stick with the MVP of the freaking league.
how do rhey keep freakin doing that?!?!?!?
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
He' s pretty much showed that the team makes Rogers to a large degree
With our supporting cast Rodgers or Flynn will suck
Orton also had Brandon Lloyd...
And Jabbar Gaffney the year before.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:07 PM MST up reply actions
For the past 20 years the Broncos could move the ball....
thats always been our M.O. until Tebow took over. (games played by Kanell, Simms, etc. aside)
Not taking a shot at Tim. I’m just saying that this offense could be better with Aaron at QB. Not as good as GB… but still good.
Triz... When was the last time we didn't have a Pro-Bowl caliber WR or TE?
Elway had Sharpe, R. Smith & E. McCafrey
Cutler had Marshall & Sheffler.
Orton had Lloyd & Gafney.
Tebow took over and we traded away our last WR that was a play maker.
Last year Tebow moved the ball much better, but it was a different offense under Studesville. It was not predictable, and it was balanced, and Tebow had GAFNEY and LLOYD to pass to. We actually ran a freaking BOOT-LEG which is open 90% of our run plays.
Another QB ‘might’ help, but what we really need are weapons and a scheme that can put the WRs in a position to succeed along with the QB.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:42 PM MST up reply actions
Teams had 0 game film on Tebow last year...
Now that teams have made adjustments we are bottled up. But my point is… Rodgers could move the offense.
I’ll use your own statement to prove my point. Game 1 2010 we had no pro bowl WR. Then Lloyd got a chance to start and he became one. So its possible we have a pro bowl caliber WR on the roster… we just need a QB that can get him the ball. Also.. Gaffney??? He has never been pro bowl caliber. Solid but not great. And Lloyd is good with those circus catches, but he is kind of one dimensional. I don’t see how you rely on jump balls to win championships.
And to think that the QB doesn’t make a huge difference is revolutionary thinking as far as Im concerned. Chitown lost Cutler and pretty much lost out (aside from todays game) How are the Colts doing without Manning? How have the Raiders faired over the years since Gannon left? They’ve have plenty of good WR talent there…. but look at the QB play.
I don’t see how you rely on jump balls to win championships.
Check out a SD game sometime. Thats all Phyllis would throw. Or Megatron
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Triz, I respectfully disagree.
Give Tebow the weapons & offense Rodgers has and give Rodgers the weapons and scheme Tebow has and see what happens. I’d be willing to bet that Tebow’s numbers soar and Rodgers doesn’t look near as good as he does now (it is still a team game).
Sure Rodgers is fantastic, and yes he could make a difference on this current team, but he’s not enough to make this team elite. Our WRs aren’t talented. Gaffney was ranked in the 20’s on NFL.com last I checked, and I believe he’s been to a Pro-Bowl (I consider that pro-bowl caliber). And Tebow’s numbers were better last year when he had Gaffney and Lloyd.
John Elway had 8 PRO-BOWL players on the offense when he won a Super Bowl in 1998, 9 including Elway. How many does this team have on offense?
John Fox said it also even when Orton was our QB. The problems on offense aren’t just about one guy. Orton also had BIG problems finding open receivers this year under Fox/McCoy. That’s part of the reason he was getting sacked like crazy and throwing a ton of INTs.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:12 PM MST up reply actions
Also...
Eddie Mac, Sharpe and Smith were nobody’s until they played with Elway. Sheff never been great. Of all the guys you mentioned only Marshall (and Sharpe) are guys that I think could be better than average no matter who the QB is.
Triz, you can speculate on 'how good they would have been without Elway,'
But the FACT is, they were pro-bowl guys. Whether Elway made them great or not is not the point, Elway didn’t catch the balls for them.
Those guys had to run good routes and hold onto the ball and make plays. This group of WRs and TEs does NEITHER of those things.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:14 PM MST up reply actions
You're right...
But I know that Elway was great with them.. and I know he was great before they even left college.
Tebow still needs to prove himself...
But he really could use some help. Letting Brandon Lloyd go was a mistake – his sure hands are a young QBs best friend!
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
Take a look at the best passing offenses:
Green Bay: D. Driver, G. Jennings, J. Nelson, J. Finley.
Patriots: W. Welker, R. Gronkowski, A. Hernandez, C. Ochocinco, D. Branch
Saints: J. Graham, J. Colston, R. Meachem, etc etc…
Those are the top TEs and WRs in the league. Is it true that the QB plays a part in their numbers, ABSOLUTELY, but there are a TON of playmakers that attack the ball and run great routes there.
PS, Jabar Gaffney is #24 on NFL.com. Our best receiver, Erik Decker at #70. FootballOutsiders.com also has our WRs no higher than #50.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
OK look at all the guys you named....
Finley – GB won a SB without him. A lot of potential but they look fine w/o him
Jennings – a beast, ill give u that
Driver – solid WR but they win without him
Welker – Journey man cut by SD and traded or let go by Miami. Became pro bowler when he was teamed with Tom Brady (elite QB)
Gronk/Hern – Can’t tell if its them or Brady
Chad85 – I watch their games all the time. Hes rarely on the field b/c they cant run hurry up without him. Complete non factor in that offense
Branch – Has done absolutely nothing without Brady
Its really chicken or egg… is it the QB or is the WR. I think more often than not its the QB.
And its not that what you’re saying isn’t valid in some respect. But the fact is… our QB doesn’t allow us to determine just how good these guys are. Same thing with the Pats. Everyone thought Branch was this GREAT pro bowl WR. Then Seattle paid big bucks to get him and he sucked. It works the other way too. Everyone thought Moss was a bum and couldn’t play… So raiders sent him to NE and Brady made him a pro bowler again.
Nobody said Moss was a bum and couldn't play...
It was always, ‘which coach can get him to play and be focused.’
Finley, top receiving TE in the game.
Driver, pro-bowl WR
Welker, leading NFL in receptions with a 20 some catch lead
Gronc, leading league (set record) in TE TDs
Hernandez, plain beast (played with Tebow at Florida – looked the same)
Chad, might not do much now but still a pro-bowler, and burned us for 7points
The receivers named are still all-pros. Whether they catch passes from Brady, Rogers, or Alex Smith – they are TALENTED and will make plays wherever they play.
Like I said, we don’t have that.
And not enough is being said about SCHEME. Those offenses design their ROUTE CONCEPTS much much much better than McCoy.
Rodgers & Brady & Brees ALWAYS have an underneath route to check down to. Tebow rarely does.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:44 PM MST up reply actions
I think Thomas will be a solid WR. Certainly not sold on Decker after the 2nd half of this season. Royal is useless, and not even a special player in the return game, and Willis is fast, but has bad hands.
Julius Thomas is the second coming of Rob Gronkowski, apparently, but I have yet to see him ever take a snap.
Fells and Rosario are retread TEs without pedigree.
Johnson might be a versatile pass-catching back but he’s certainly no Darren Sproles.
....
These guys do this for a living. If having a check down was all we needed to do… then we would do it. Our QB has limitations as do other players that aren’t WRs (Orlando Franklin, Beadles, etc) So the scheme is what it is.
There is no better example that The Indy Colts. everything about them was the same except manning… and it didn’t work without him.
Another great example.. SF. They have talent everywhere. But their offense is slowed down mightly b/c alex smith sucks.
Re: those players… Moss was traded for a 4th round pick. to put that is prospective… we got 2 2nds for B marsh.
Finley… i don’t care how good he is or will b. they won a ring without him so how valuable is he really?
Driver is good… hasn’t made a pro bowl in a while but gives a steady veteran presence.
Welker never did anything in the league until he got to NE. 2 teams let him go. I suspect welker is like McD. take him out of NE and he won’t be as good. The same could be said for Gronk and Hern. But we won’t know for sure with them. With welker we have some proof. SD and Mia he was a bum.
Chad… trust me.. he does nothing. he barely plays. literally. I live in boston. watch the games every week. he does nothing at all.
Triz... you helped make my point about SCHEME too...
Perhaps Wes Welker does nothing outside of NE… But if that is true, than you also have to acknowledge that the SCHEME in place lends itself to GREAT PASSING NUMBERS.
Brady is amazing, but when Brady got hurt – Matt Cassel had no problem continuing throwing those ridiculous passing numbers. SCHEME + WR TALENT… can make an average QB good and a good QB great.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:13 PM MST up reply actions
OK...
The reason we will never agree is because its all intermingled. This all started because someone tried to place the blame on the WR core. You made a good point about the scheme and I agree with it to an extent. But i’m defending my original statement that the QB play is limited… and if we had a more capable QB the offense as a whole would play better.
You seem to imply “change the WR and Scheme” and we’ll be all set. I think that you can’t do much with the scheme unless the QB gets better. If we had Aaron we could change the scheme and the team would benefit. (not be like GB, but better than this)
I’m arguing the rather simple point of using parts of the basic offensive package that seem to have been forgotten.
You could have any QB in the league and run a lot of these plays and routes.
The reason they need to do these things IS BECAUSE QB PLAY IS LIMITED!
So we kind of agree.
Well im arguing with the other dude...
that our offense would be better with Aaron rodgers. I can’t believe that its even a debate… but it is.
When I right it out… its amazing that this conversation has lasted this long
Rodgers is the best QB in the league behind Brady,
so ya, the O would be better, BUT…
The offense would greatly improve with a BETTER SCHEME and better WR/TE.
That’s my point.
CONVERSELY, TEBOW would greatly improve with the weapons that BRADY and ROGERS have.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
SHEFFLER...
You should watch the GB vs LIONS highlights.
Sheff looks pretty dang good…
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 10:22 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, but I think they were probably no better than an 9-7 or 8-8 team with Manning this season.
They had a lot of flaws, especially in the secondary, and run game.
Indy never could run
and their defense was never great. They just did enough. Also running and defense is slightly overrated. We have #1 rushing offense.. we’re 8-8. NE has the worst pass D in the league worst D as a whole… GB is ranked 31st. Those 2 teams have home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
You used to need both rushing and a solid defense to win championships. The entire construct of the game has changed.
I have a feeling NE gets tripped up, but not GB. I could be wrong.
If I'm not mistaken...
While GB and NE have really bad defenses, they both cause a LOT of turn-overs and get the ball in the hands of their offenses.
They’re built much like the Broncos of 98-99. We had 14 pro-bowlers on that team, 9 of which were on OFFENSE.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
And what happened to the 99-00 Broncos
we lost elway and went 6-10 or something like that (this is where you say we lost TD and thats the reason. figured I’d save you a post)
We will never agree. From my point of view Quarterbacks make WRs. Do you remember Alvin Harper. look him up. classic case.
Green Bay has the best receiving Corps in the NFL...
Let’s not knee jerk our way into a ‘Matt Cassel’ situation.
He won’t have 4 Pro-Bowl WRs/TEs to throw to in Denver.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
We agree on more than that friend!
BRONCOS ARE AWESOME!!! Win or lose they’re OUR team!
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:15 PM MST up reply actions
Flynn will be a very rich man.. He will
at least get 6-7 M per year on a 3 year contract to start for any of the teams like
There are lot of teams that don’t have a good QB.. lot of these teams will overpay to get a free agent QB… Washington, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets (if they are souring on sanchez and don’t get Peyton), Cleveland, Seattle…
I love Tebow hope he is our furture,wrritten numerous post about him in previously
days. But I am not a believer in Quinn. I also know he has to improve but don’t want to waste 1 of limited draft picks on a QB.
He who is good at at making excuses is seldom good at anything else
is this true
I am beginning to think it was the fact we did not have Orton. I didnt feel this way till recently.
Correlation is not causation.
I think it’s difficult to prove this to be true. We may have won those games with anyone other than Orton. Or with Orton and the improved defense, and running game. But we also cannot prove that it wouldn’t have happened without him.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
And Tebow has to lead the league in busted lips.
And non-facemask calls
by knoepke84 on Jan 1, 2012 5:42 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Seriously.. How does he even get his lip busted so much? lol
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
In that case I'll trade busted lips for completions
Thanks.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Bandwagon fan
during the streak we all loved tebow, he had 2 bad games and now we want another QB. Sickening
He doesn't want another QB
he wants completions. I agree, I’d rather have completions too.
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Jan 1, 2012 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
Did I say I want another QB?
I still love Tebow. I think he is the future. But like even you mentioned above, he has regressed over the last couple games. Please dont go around calling people “bandwagon fans”. That is distasteful in itself. Im merely pointing out that at some point, being a competitor doesnt win games on its own. Im confident that next year, Tim will still be a competitor, and will have all the other skills in place to be a truly successful QB in this league.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
I don't want Tebow to go....
…I want Tebow to get better instead of worse.
So far, that has not been the case. If he had one bad game, that would be one thing, but he has had 3 in a row…in fact…if we want to actually be honest with ourselves, he has had many more than that, but other elements of the team have won the game for us.
Don't agree on 3 games
I don’t see how he played poorly against the Patriots. Had one turnover true, but also had the team up 16-7 until the turnover storm struck. Buffalo was a bad game over all and this one was really bad. Seriously, I almost thought something was wrong. Like maybe he’s lost confidence or was told to do ANYTHING other than risk a turnover and that made him way too tentative. It’s not like him not to pull the trigger on a throw at all. I’m really curious if something else was going on behind the scenes.
Also, for the past few games, when they’ve run the read option, Tim’s been open to run it towards the sidelines with no one around a few times, yet he always hands off now. I’m pretty sure he’s smart enough to see that as well so I wonder if he isn’t just told to hand it off no matter what. Regardless, I’d agree something is wrong the past two games and needs to be fixed. Hopefully that will be the case over this offseason.
So true.
I’ve said many times, and people are likely tired of me saying it, but if not for the “other aspects of the game” as you call it, I honestly think the Broncos would have finished the season at either 4-12 or 3-13. Probably 4-12.
But hey, all’s well now. The Broncos are back to 0-0, and just like all the other teams playing next week, they’re just three wins away from the Superbowl.
This. Precisely.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
But are you really excited about it? Are you proud of this team as we played today?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Yep. Great defense. Offense was poor, but how many people have played well
against the Chiefs’ D lately? Please answer my question.
by oorange blood on Jan 1, 2012 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
Not going to happen everytime
We all knew that. He had a bad game, the offense had a bad game. We need better play-calling, better WR play, and just better decision making
Tim's mistakes today are not unusual
Look at last week…..
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Last week was ugly
i think it carried over to his confidence, this is not the samw QB who was showing promise and improvement
And its not the same coaching staff that was scripting in more pass plays and building Tim's confidence.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
What?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
lol
Scotty is saying that Tim has lost confidence and regressed in his passing game. I agree.
But the coaches have been calling less and less passing plays, at least meaningful pass plays and at bad times. They arent giving him the opportunity to get in rythym.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Lol, no problem.
You can ignore that part of my comment above. We are all a little sick from this
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Oh I thought you were saying that the coaching staff had changed..
I was reading YOU literally in that case.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
What question?
I have no problem with saying the Chiefs have a good defense.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I'm proud of the season in a whole
we were 1-4. Now we’re the 4th seed in the playoffs. If you guys dont want to be in, there is teams in San Diego and Oakland who would gladly go
I'm not proud of the way the Broncos have played today, last week, or the week before that.
OK, I’m not particularly proud of how they’ve played all season. But I’m happy as a lark, and excited, that they’re in the playoffs! Mostly proud of the defense, though.
I almost feel bad for taking this playoff spot from a team that actually deserves it.
ALMOST.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Lol
Not me. I’ll enjoy every chance we get to screw San Diego and Oakland over. Without a glimmer of remorse ;)
I volunteer my unbroken hand to be transplanted to Von Miller prior to next weekend's game.
Well the Jets don’t deserve it and neihter do the Titans after losing the Indy.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Sure they do.
Every team that makes it deserves it because when it was all said and done, they did better in the win/loss standings, or fared better with tie breakers, than the teams that didn’t make it. In other words, they won enough games throughout the season to beat out the teams that didn’t win enough games.
If you're in the playoffs
Then you deserve to be in the playoffs. You get there as a result of the entire season, not one game or the last 3 games but as the cumulative result of the entire season. No other team deserved it more as a result of this game.
"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow
The Miami game alone was special enough to earn us a look at the postseason
and lookie there, it was the difference that got us in! :)
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:58 PM MST up reply actions
Over the past 5 years we've either had an offense or a defense. Never both.
Why can’t we hit on all cylinders? Here’s to getting an offense next year!
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
Exactly. Remember the Patriots game?
We were totally winning until we lost 3 fumb…..
Oh wait. Bad example.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
I feel dirty.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
Get over it, Bud. You're a true fan. The Chiefs' D has played tough against everyone this
year, including Aaron Rodgers and the Pack. Our offense needs an infusion of creativity, but there’s no reason that can’t come.
by oorange blood on Jan 1, 2012 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
how dirty did you feel at 1-4 with no hope?
how dirty did you feel last year? this may not feel like we are SB champs but it sure doesn’t feel dirty….
Glad that Big Ben and their RB are both hurt. That will help, but Von Miller needs to bring some heat. Use your legs Von!!!!
I’m heart broken for Kuper.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Kuper is a warrior! very crappy thing!
He who is good at at making excuses is seldom good at anything else
word is dislocation, not broken
so at least his prognosis is good. For next year.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
ugh
I really hope not…not that it makes a difference right now
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
Fox confirmed broken
:(
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
Von has disappeared since the cast was put on....it sucks.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
he came out of this game and the trainers were looking at his thumb
I think it has been reinjured.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
I thought DA pulled him because he was ineffective, but if he's reinjured, that sucks worse :(
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
No reason to feel bad about being in the playoffs after a 1-4 start
This team deserves to be in the playoffs more than any team that isn’t. 6 straight wins after starting 2-5 including a 5 game road win streak. Time to go balls out in the playoffs with smash mouth football and let the chips fall where they may.
by knoepke84 on Jan 1, 2012 5:48 PM MST via mobile reply actions
How many Draft spots did we just lose?
I won’t care if we beat the Steelers…. but if we end the season on a 4 game losing streak… Yuck!!!
We didn lose any draft spots....
We lost the game LMAO….. if you want to blame someone for pushing us down in the draft …head on over to Silver and Black Pride …..Im sure they will appreciate you as much as we do :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
haha
good point
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
well said disturbed...
where were all these nay sayers when we were winning and getting ourselves in position to make the playoffs?
Kind of like flies on sh*t. when you have a sh*tty day and here they are but when we are playing good they disappear….can’t wait for the next win and they will be gone again.
Not many. Maybe 4. Maybe we had the 17th or 18th pick. So your point is stupid!
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Why??
Aren’t we rebuilding? So for a team that’s rebuilding doesn’t draft position mean more than playing an extra game? If we beat the Steelers that is a different story all together though
I would prefer to
Win division titles WHILE we are rebuilding. . But bottom line is I would never root for our team to lose, ever! What would be the point in that? To root against the Broncos is to disrespect the Broncos, disrespecting the Broncos is something fans from OTHER teams do. Might as well pick a new team and jump on a bandwagon!
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Jan 2, 2012 7:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think next week it's important for Mcoy to let Tebow fling it early on.
You could see it today, he’s doubting himself. He’s standing in his own way right now… We need him to win, so let him fling it and see if he can re-gain some confidence.
Cause right now he’s just looking off open receivers…
Playoffs though!
How can he now doubt.
The coaches wont let him throw it on 3rd down and run QB draw 2 times in the 2 min drill. That has to shake a guys confidence. Also not going for it on 4th down inside the 50 now and then or not kicking a field goal? That shows how little confidence they have in Tim which sucks.
I don't disagree with you here.
You can tell that in practice they preach to him “don’t turn it over don’t turn it over don’t turn it over” and that’s all he’s saying to himself in the pocket. Definitely, try not to turn it over. But sometimes you gotta be aggressive, trust yourself, and look to make some plays.
by LiteUpThatHalo on Jan 1, 2012 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
I honestly don't think TT's lost confidence in himself
But it has def. gotton into his head that the coach and FO have none. Sad, damnit.
GB 2
by Boiler etc on Jan 1, 2012 6:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He should have done that today.....he didn't, so I doubt he ever will.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
But I'm not happy tonight
That’s just my feelings
I hope with the being down a RB...
That will be a difference maker in the game. I didnt get to see Kuper’s injury, was it really bad? And does anyone know rashad’s knee injury details?
Kupers injury looked as bad as Fosters injury for Colts on MNF this year
Foot was completely facing the wrong way. COMPLETELY.
by knoepke84 on Jan 1, 2012 5:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
fortunately, Hochstein played well in his place. Gonna miss Kup though.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
For anyone who reads my sarcastic and otherwise sourpuss comments above...
I really am happy we are in the playoffs. Its just sad that it came this way. Congrats to the Broncos for fighting and getting themselves in this position.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
by Teboner on Jan 1, 2012 5:50 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
If all we do is steal a win against the playoffs at home, everyone will forget about this game.
by LiteUpThatHalo on Jan 1, 2012 5:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t really savor this at all. That was the ugliest offensive performance I think I’ve seen. In some ways its worse than seeing us lose due to turnovers. Kyle Orton gave us this game, our defense played amazing after the first quarter but our offense couldn’t do anything. Fox has been way too conservative, not taking an opportunity at a field goal was a a bad decision with that we could have won with a field goal at the end.
Also we have to start throwing to receivers that are in single coverage in quarters besides the fourth. It seems that teams have figured out that all they have to do is play man and keep fairly close to the receivers and Tebow won’t throw it. That seems to be due to coaching from Fox. At some point you have to take some risks to win the game and it seems like Fox is unwilling to take any at this point.
by Ambivale on Jan 1, 2012 5:51 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
We didn't win this Championship today...We won it with 5 road wins, beating the so-called better jets and bears at home...
We won this thing with heart in the middle of the season when our oponents were in idle gear! Winning or losing this game today had nothing to do with OUR Championship…Enjoy the moment and let the offseason take its course…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
by bfree2bronc on Jan 1, 2012 5:51 PM MST reply actions 9 recs
I think this is lost on many, sadly.
People don’t seem to remember that we played pretty well for a good portion of the season. Well enough that we positioned ourselves to win our division and make the playoffs, and that is what we did. Say what you want about Elway, Fox, Tebow etc. but in this first year together we are division champs and we are hosting a playoff game. Not bad if you ask me. I really believe some people need to learn to simply stop and smell the roses once in a while.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
thanks. I needed that!
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
We went 8-8. Out of those eight wins only one win was against a team that finished the season with a winning record. That would be the Bengals that finshed 9-7.
This team is exactly where it should be after one year of rebuilding. The playoffs is just a lucky bonus because we were just a tad bit better than the other mediocre teams. There is no doubt that the single biggest issue going forward is going to be QB. There is enough ammo in the games Tebow played to feed both the lovers and the haters for the entire offseason. I’m actually gald I’m not Elway right now; he’s in a tough spot.
Watching football is like watching pornography. There's plenty of action, and I can't take my eyes off it, but when it's over, I wonder why the hell I spent an afternoon doing it---Luke Salisbury
You can call it fortuitous, luck or just a diehard effort to win and they did when it counted...Rivers didn't do it when it counted...
Palmer didn’t do it when it counted…Cassel, Palko and Orton didn’t do it when it counted…We did it and it is something to buld off of for the future…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
by bfree2bronc on Jan 1, 2012 5:57 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m actually gald I’m not Elway right now; he’s in a tough spot.
He’s in exactly the spot he put himself in.
GB 2
har har. I hear that wuss didn't even show up for handshakes after the game.
He’s tough and has good qualities, but there’s some smallness in him.
by oorange blood on Jan 1, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
You been talking to his wife again?
but there’s some smallness in him.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
She would only know about orton's 'smallness' I would think...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Really Personal insults?
You guys are better than this.
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It's become the norm around here lately.
by Matt In Canada on Jan 1, 2012 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
But only about Orton or so it seems...weird
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Orton blew it when he dissed the fans. He deserves nothing but scorn fron the Broncos faithful.
He is completely classless .
" Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked" -Psalm 1
"God tolerates even our stammering, and pardons our ignorance whenever something inadvertently escapes us – as, indeed, without this mercy there would be no freedom to pray." -- John Calvin
by JohnCalvinKnox on Jan 1, 2012 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
When did he diss the fans?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
When he said he could care less what the fans think.
In his defense it was in answer to a stupid question from the press but he made the remark and shouldnt have.
"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow
Yup, I'm pretty sure
that is the point when what little respect I had for Orton went out the window. And the talk about him being sabotaged (ala Stephen A. Smith) and losing his job because of a popularity contest is laughable. He lost his job because he was a terrible quarterback, and now he is no longer our concern. I hope he enjoyed that game yesterday, because it’s the last one he’ll be in for a while.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
The Fans boo'ed him remember?
AS far as I’m concerned he could’ve went to the 50 yard line after the game was over and give everyone who boo’ed him the double bird salute, and been in the right. I’d say he handled himself in a good manner considering.
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Apparently every time
Orton goes to a new team, the new team (and its fanbase) thinks he is going to become some superstar gunslinger…. he had 180 yards yesterday. Should we get his HoF jacket ready?
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
Not really
But some of us think his new team has far more talent than the old ones did.
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that is what we thought too
to be fair, he passed for crapload of yards that first season with us….Kyle might be the silk purse of the NFL…
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 AM MST up reply actions
Haha are you implying KC
has far more talent? Laughable.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
Orton was treated like shit here in Denver
Good for him, has a new injection into his career and beat his old team.
Good for Denver, the Broncos to go to the Playoffs.
We can now move forward.
Orton is a non-story...
He is irrelevant.
He is nothing.
He will never make any difference to any team. He is boring, he is lame, he is not compelling.
He’s not good, he’s not bad. I would never want him on my team.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2012 10:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So let me get this right.
There’s a chance you dislike Orton.
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no one dislikes orton really.
he’s kind of like gray wallpaper. you don’t hate it and you can maybe find a few nick nacks that spruce it up okay. or you could just strip the stuff and buy some nice paint.
by oxmouth on Jan 1, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I've always thought that Orton in the right situation could be effective.
Hell I even defended him in here, but it was time for a change in Denver. I have always believed you can win with a game manager if you have the right players around him. The Chiefs do have a good running game with J.C, the Chiefs do have some good talent at WR and we also have a damn good TE. The defense is looking good too, we just need a NT and a SILB to get over the top. So while our chance of going to the S.B aren’t that great with Orton there is a slight chance, and that’s all I can hope for as a fan. I’m not happy about it, I don’t like sloppy seconds.
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you are correct that he may be effective as a game manager
but only if you have a good lead and a good D.
The problem comes when you are behind…he won’t do you any good then…. so as long as you can get a lead, play good D you will probably be fine.. but that isn’t always the case in football as we all know..
as far as going to the SB, there is always a chance at the beginning of the season but the games still have to be played…
I look at it this way
If T.Dilfer can win a S.B, Orton can too, in the right situation. I’ve got to hope for the best guys, that’s all I have at this point.
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Dont dislike him...
Dont like him.
I never think of him, he is nothing.
And soon, you will know this feeling of Orton zen…. is he there, is he not? Yes, he is there and he is not. He is nothingness…………
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2012 11:03 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Talk to HIV 2 Elway over at AP
Really…you site coordinator needs to take a little more control.
by idahobronc on Jan 1, 2012 7:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely
They acted like a bunch of kids over there and that’s one of the reasons I like coming here.
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We don't know that Orton didn't find him later.
after the cameras were not around…just sayin’.
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But again there is no evidence one way or the other
until either of them confirms they didn’t talk. And even if that is the case, that doesn’t mean either player is a douche.
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Oy...it doesn't mean they would find it. And it still means nothing really.
But carry on
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for the past few moments
I have been frustrated at the Broncos “backing in” to the playoffs, but I have to remember we were once 1-4 and we got to 8-8, so enough nonsense, let’s surprise the Squealers! My co-worker is a Squealers fan (a nice one) not the douche I usualy complain about, so there may be some friction!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 5:54 PM MST reply actions
I'm hoping for a blizzard...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
It's early but 40% chance of snow showers on Saturday, but no chance on Sunday
Not sure if game is Saturday or Sunday.
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hey man
where the f you been…i’ve been defending your math above
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
We always knew Tebow would need a LOT more work than say, Bradford
…and yet, here we are, in the playoffs. And where is Sam? With a lot more prep time?
We’ll see how he goes with an off-season, working with the receivers. Today, it looked sickening. But no worse that Miami, minus a few minutes of play.
It feels like we just cheated on our exams, but we’re in. We’ll have months to discuss next steps…
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
Even the 3 year veteran Mark Sanchize with all of his weapons...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Thanks for making me laugh
Needed that :) It DOES feel like we just cheated on our exams. Did those 60 Minute promos trigger that thought? Hahahahahha…
This game was brutal today. Can take small consolation in the fact our D only gave up 7 (yet Bailey got beat a lot, Von disappeared, only one sack and it was due to coverage, no defensive takeaways) and our punting was badass again. But that was hard to watch.
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
Genuine question guys
Before the last possession Tebow was sitting alone, praying. All good. Why wasn’t McCoy with him, going over some plays, or some defensive reads, or anything?
I see them do this as soon as Tebow comes off the field.
He goes over and sits next to McCoy or Gase and goes over the plays/reads/pictures/etc.
I volunteer my unbroken hand to be transplanted to Von Miller prior to next weekend's game.
Tebow isn't Manning
Some players can have the OC talking to them, the booth guy on the phone with them, and have their blackberry plugged in and downloading photos straight from the blimp, all at the same time, but MOST players have cognitive limits, especially during a game.
Research has shown that at times of high stress our conscious brain gives way to our state memory. And coaches, and anyone who has been around coaches, know that there is only so much information and data you can impart to a player, especially midgame. Maybe some keys for the reads, and some prep for the upcoming playcalling situations (such as 2min or 4min or whatever). Combine those two ideas, and there isn’t much that Tim and McCo can accomplish midgame, outside of the few minutes that we see them catching on the bench in between series.
And frankly, in a high stress environment, to prevent state memory from taking over, a player or coach should really be more focused on calming down, not overloading already stressed receptors. So to see Tim kneeling by himself at those times, seems ideal…
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Jeremy
Its just that in so many games, in this situation,we see the staff and the qb in intense conversation and I just didn’t see that. If that’s our MO, fine, but I think you have to assume that the guys you want to have quietly collecting themselves are the ones with well thought out and tested plays and professional execution who have been in some sort of effective sync in the game. We had nothing working JB. T
McCoy doesn't really like Tebow, that's my opinion.
They chose to go another direction at the beginning of the season, and started Tebow only when forced to do so. McCoy looks at Tebow like a burden rather than an opportunity.
by oorange blood on Jan 1, 2012 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
Did McCoy talk to Orton?
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I dont think so
but that was not my point. My point is that he does not talk to them much during the game whoever it is.
He talks to him every play
what more do you want?
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I was just asking in general. That's all
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Defense was great today. Offense was terrible. You can't score one touchdown in front of your home crowd with the playoffs on the line?
That is beyond disappointing and having someone else put you in the playoffs is nothing to get excited or brag about. I’m looking forward to the offseason more than I’m looking forward to next week and I never thought I’d feel that way about the Broncos EVER.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
Start now. Just go on Broncos vacation.
by oorange blood on Jan 1, 2012 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
it might make my day better next week if he did.
IF I decide to partake of MHR next week, that is. I am a Bronco fan first, and an MHR fan second…if the site detracts from my enjoyment, it is up to me to make the decision that makes my day better. I find myself distressed by the tone of a lot of the comments today. I think I will log out so I am not as tempted to respond. GO BRONCOS!
I'm generally pretty optimistic and positive when it comes to the Broncos but I can't understand how anyone is happy with the way things turned out today.
This WAS another late season fade. Just because the Chargers helped us into the playoffs doesn’t change that. But enjoy the game next week. I have to work anyway so you’ll have one less realist around here to piss in your cornflakes.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
Enjoy your kool-aid.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
Way to go Defense.
Here’s to hoping an offense shows up next week…and not the Steelers’ offense.
I am glad we are in the playoffs
however it doesn’t feel the way it’s supposed to feel. It just sucks to back into the playoffs losing the last three games. I will take a playoff berth anyway I can get one though. There is no excuse for only scoring 3 points against KC.
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Rodgers scored 14. We might have come closer without a fumble and a conservative coach.
by oorange blood on Jan 1, 2012 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
That is not testimony to the Chiefs awesome defense. The Packers dropped 16 passes in that game.
Don’t gloss this over. We got beat. At home. By the Chiefs. With the playoffs on the line.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
there is a rope hanging over the door way in your garage
and a sharp knife in the drawer along side the number to a great shrink….or you can enjoy the New Year and appreciate that this is only a game. We are in the playoffs and not everything is going to go our way.
But just in case that is to much to accept and you can’t handle life as it is there is always the other 3 options….Happy New Year…
Classy response.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
its not the end of the world
we are in the playoffs even if it goes one and out we at least made it this year with all that was against us.
We can only get better or at least maybe dwell on getting better instead of seeing it as the end of the world or a loss that ruins ones day.
We have a good team for what we have been through and we will only get better, just may take some time but I am very happy that we finished 8-8 and even more happy that we are going to play one more game….
But it is up to each of us fans on how we want to see our team and I was in a very sarcastic way trying to bring you back to the positive side…. May have been my mistake believing I can get any negative post to change and see the positives (yep there are positives even when we lose) but if my sarcastic response of any lame attempt at humor fails, then I guess I can say “to bad, I tried”….
again with all sincerity……. Happy New Year.
Seemed like the fans were loud and standing much of the game
Bring that same energy next week and please do not sell your tickets to Steeler fans. I couldnt stand seeing so much yellow and black in the crowd last time they were here.
by knoepke84 on Jan 1, 2012 6:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
anyone who sells their PLAYOFF TICKET....
…to the opposing fans, is an absolute douche.
I love everyone, even after such a crappy backwards way into the playoffs, but even I can’t abide that. The DUDE can’t even abide that!
Rough economy. People might benefit more selling it...I hate saying it but it's true.
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One last thought about the game
Defenses have adjusted to us, we havent adjusted back, just keep trying the samething and failing
Yes. This.
For the love of god, if we’re gonna go out, let’s go out swinging. New packages, new wrinkles, what we’re doing obviously isn’t working let’s go give ourselves a chance.
by LiteUpThatHalo on Jan 1, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
we made some severe adjustments this game
first off, the I-formation running game was completely scrapped (ran it twice, once on 3rd and 2 to convert for a first, and again with a pitch to Royal). The merged the I-formation with the shotgun, and ran a dive option game (not the read option we have been seeing up til now). they also had several triple options thrown in there.
The majority of the offense was run from a singleback look (216 yards rushing, holy cow!), and they morphed the G-power play from the old I-formation running game into wing-left and -right concepts and had several huge runs with it. These are all amjor adjustments.
Problem was, Tebow came out flat, and wasn’t pulling the trigger vs. man to man coverage, and probably had no idea where that safety was. He seems to have taken the turnovers over the last two weeks personally, and fumbling early didn’t help him at all. He was Timmy Turtle this week, and once it was clear he wasn’t coming out of his shell, they tried to get him comfortable running the dive-option, at one point about 7 times in a row. They weren’t doing that to SPITE him, they were doing that to HELP him. It almost worked. We sustained a couple of drives at the end but just couldn’t finish…
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
The non-call on Hali trying to take Tebow's head and the Tebow fumble might have been the difference to this game...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
the initial graze
was definitely a missed call, but at the same time I could see how they might miss it. The later attempt to rip the helmet off by grabbing it from behind was, believe it or not, not a penalty. The earhole and the facemask are the only parts of headgear that qualify for pulling or grabbing.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
Two weeks ago I saw a penalty flag thrown
on a running play. Exact same thing he was grabbed by the helmet opening in back. It is still considered a personal foul, as much or even more so than a horse collar tackle. And the fact it happened twice to our QB with out a single flag SHOULD raise eyebrows. Especially after all the ticky tack roughing the passer calls that have been called around the league this season. I have seen DLinemen barely graze the QB’s helmet and the flag came out. What happened to Tebow was a mauling compared to those calls.
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Good observations
It seemed to me that Tebow was severely inhibited in his play. I think he’s lost his confidence. Hesitated and did not throw to open receivers. Had some happy feet in the pocket.
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I don't know how important Tim's stance is in the pocket
as far as the efficacy of his game right now. he is a nervous nelly in the pocket, but that was true during the 6 game winning streak as well. He was placing the ball well throwing long when he did throw, and throwing high while on the run was his only real accuracy error that was consistent this game.
But he was definitely not seeing open guys, or not trusting his throws short, or something.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
It really looked that when Larsen and then Kuper went down Tebow starting being tentative somehow
But he really seemed not to be able to pull the trigger the few times I saw the WRs get separation. The announcers made a big deal of a couple times the WRs were open and did not throw but most of the time I saw not a lot of separation at all and no outlets to go to.
I think they only did that because Larsen left the game early
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
I think the plan was to run the I with Tim in the shotgun
Larsen got hurt catching a pass from that setup, and before that we were primarily singleback with TIm under center. After Larsen got hurt, our first play was an Iso (sneak). The Iso has been so ineffective the last seven weeks that I admit to a bias and wanting to see it thrown out.
By far our primary formation was singleback, both with Tim under center and out of the shotgun, and we racked up a ton of rushing yards with it, so I’m pretty sure it was scripted in the game plan….
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 7:17 PM MST up reply actions
It makes me sick that Mike McCoy is paid six figures to put together these offensive gameplans. They are the most unbalanced and unimaginative in the league, hands down. It’s a true testament to how good our execution is on the offensive line that we can line up and run plays that the defense is expecting and still be effective. It’s a true testament to how good Tebow can be when he can actually show the ability to win games when he has been handcuffed all season. It’s a true testament to McCoy’s insanity that we continue play to the defense’s strength; that is, we are running the ball when they are expecting us to run and then we are forced into passing the ball when they are expecting us to pass. It’s a true testament to how special this team is that we have been able to win in spite of our offensive coaches’ ineptitude. We have been waiting all season for McCoy to open up the playbook and it’s officially now or never. Although this is the very definition of “fool’s hope”.
Playoffs.... No Jim Mora, I'm not kidding you...
by manbearpig5000000 on Jan 1, 2012 6:14 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Just thoughts of a new overseas Broncos fan
Putting everything into perspective the 2011 season is now over. We didn’t finish on the high we would have liked but lets look at it this way:
We can now breath – the playoff barrier has now been broken and we enter the 2012 Off-Season as AFC-West Champs with everyone on 0-0. Difference, everyone will not want to lose to us! Four games. That is all that is left! And this is great particularly in a season we were hoping for respectability.
Forgive my simplicity and overly optimistic perspective but seeings though most will write us off from the beginning, Tebow Time/Bronco Time or whatever you want to call it will start in the first minute. Everyplay now is one more than last season. Everyplay, is one more play that our opponent must worry about. Every play has the potential to bring us closer to our overall goal.
We are now David fighting four Goliaths, one after the other, winner takes all. It doesn’t matter how you got there. If you keep mulling over that you may miss what is ahead. Just need one chance each time… and then, who knows?
Go Broncos!
Pretty much much in a nutshell...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
On the plus side . . .
the D put in a great game and our O cannot play any worse than they have these past few weeks. 3-pts? Really?
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Not opting for the 56 yd FG was a bad decision amd Tebow's fumble killed us...
This game was to win and we missed the opportunities. Orton and the Chiefs pretty much struggled after the TD drive…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
I don't understand the FG
if you frame it as conservative, it really puts the game in perspective. Just seems like an odd time to be retracting that much. SUre hope that Prater isn’t secretly hurting.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
That was my thoughts too...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Never thought I would feel so depressed on a day we made the playoffs.
I want to be happy, I really do
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
out of a down that needs 4 or 5 receivers
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
On the last 3rd down we had...if I was Tebow I would have drawn it up in the dirt...
Decker I will put the ball on the left hash-marks at the 10 yd line when you get there. Or Thomas on the right side.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
while I'm psyched we're in the playoffs,
our offense SUCKS. McCoy needs to go. I’m willing to give Tebow another season to develop, but we really need a QB. It also seems like our receivers regressed toward the end of the season, and our running game and secondary will be gone in a few years. This team needs a lot of work to become a true title contender.
In the mean time though, “any given sunday!” I like our chances against an injured Big Ben and Mendenhall, but I’m kind of worried our home shutout streak is going to end. I guess we’ll see. go broncos!
You've got to have more balance.
50 passing yards. You get 4.8 yards a carry, hold the opposition to 7 points and lose, AT HOME?! Even a small boost in the passing game would have yielded a win. McCoy and Tebow need to get their shit together. I’m thinking the latter more so.
Pretty cool how you can be rebuilding and go to the playoffs, though. I think somebody in the front office must share some of the magic that our QB put on display this season. #7
Development
I understand we need more balance but theoretically, this is JUST how you break in a new QB. Run, run the ball to take pressure off of a young, QB. I don’t happen to agree they’re doing it quite right…I think the Jets in 2008 are more that model, but it’s what’s going on. Remember too, that according all the analysts…this is what Fox wants to do! He’s that kind of coach! He’s not a creative offensive minded guy, he’s a defense oriented, conservative offense coach. I don’t think we’d see things change much even if we had Tom Brady as our QB.
We have very young, inexperienced WR’s who from what I see, don’t get open against good coverage unless the QB hold the ball way too long. If the rest of the defense is playing well and disciplined, your QB will pay for holding that ball. Beyond that in this game, Tebow looked like he’s either had his confidence shot or has been beaten by the coaching staff to where he DARED not have the least risk of a turnover.
This team has way overachieved though and I’ll take it any day over the past 2 years. I’m looking forward to see how and if improvement occurs over the offseason and with another draft.
Playing to the strengths of the team
I agree that using the running game with young and inexperienced QB’s is a necessity. It’s obviously the crown jewel of this offense (possibly team). So an unordinary mix of run and pass is to be expected. That compiled with Fox’s conservative philosophy have lead to this ghosts-of-leather-helmet-football running attack. 6-22 for 60* yards passing might feel more acceptable if the Broncos were 4-11, but with their playoff hopes on the line, it just seems screwy. The success of the team makes the pathetic air attack even more frustrating. I’ll be excited to see what an entire offseason can do for Tebow.
Considering Fox and his coaching staff have brought in the option, triple option, zone option, hell I think I’ve seen them run the triangle, there’s no doubt in my mind if they had Brady the would throw 40 passes a game, at least. I do like Fox’s boldness in running all these crazy schemes and appreciate him playing to the strengths of the team. Unlike McDictator trying to turn the Denver Broncos into the New England Patriots.
The wide receivers have looked outmatched as of late. I think some of that is Tebow not being able to thread the needle. Some of it scheme. And in Willis and Thomas’ case inexperience. And what the hell is up with all the dropped passes? It’s pretty ridiculous.
Yeah, theres only one Belichick and NE Pats
imitations always fail. We need to be our own team
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Good showing by our Defense again...
Can’t say the same for Timmy.
AFC West is a real embarassment to football!!
But hey - we’re going to the playoffs!!!
ugh i know
I don’t think the west has sent two teams to the playoffs since 2006, and since then all the division winners have been 8-8. Its ridiculous
by Jasper Burget on Jan 1, 2012 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
I don't get the 'embarrassing' part?
I mean…We are going somewhere the other 20 teams aren’t. You can be embarrassed if you want, but I’m proud as hell the way MY Broncos withstood every adversity that was thrown at them and survived. Some of you guys act like your best friend did you woman…Geez…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
I remember it used to be one of the best divisons in football.
Yeah, embarrassment isn’t the word I would choose, but as you said we are in and I will take a playoff berth no matter how we get it.
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Need to get Tebow and Receivers in Rythm early, seriously.
We have the #1 rushing team in the NFL and a QB who does things outside of the pocket better right now, how about some play action boot-legs?? Short slant passes, screen passes, i thinkg McCoy forgot about those in the playbook. If we don’t get some decent quick passes getting Tebow and the receivers in a rythm, then we are doomed.
by diehardbronco2 on Jan 1, 2012 6:24 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Been hoping for that all year....I don't think McCoy is capable of thinking outside the box.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Outside the box?
What we’re asking for is to go back to play calling 101! He could call the entire game from Offense for Dummies, and it would be an upgrade.
How do you spell television ratings? T-E-B-O-W. At least more Bronco games will likely be on national broadcast.
exactly... a quick throw would not hurt this passing game lol... especially when they are in third and long everytime.. GO TEBOW GO BRONCOS... we reached a new season the POST SEASON.. it felt good to say that
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
Where are the 3-step drop quick routes?
… man, we need some quick hits…
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Hard to tell if they are being called or not....
Tebow is clearly not comfortable with the quick read, 3 step drop and quick decisive throw.
He’s been holding the ball because he doesnt know what to do.
Seems like that short game would be right up his alley, but he doesnt seem like he is there.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2012 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
Was at the game today, and Tebow held the ball because no WRs were open.
It wasn’t indecision, it was nobody being open.
I think Tebow would be fine in the ‘dink and dunk’ offense, as he has been late in those 4th QT comebacks (he was taking underneath routes to move the ball).
But our Play-action passing game is all about HOME-RUN routes. That’s a coaching and scheme issue.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:04 PM MST up reply actions
So true. It’s very similar to what happened at Ohio State this season. (I live in Columbus) They have an athletic QB who is not a pocket passer and they basically run up the middle and then call long, slow-developing pass routes for a freshman, inexperienced QB to try and get into a rhythm using. They finished 6-6.
It doesn’t work.
Not so true.
The TV broadcast showed open receivers running around with their hands in the air at least three or four times today. All of them would have extended drives if Tim Tebow found them and threw them the ball. (And of course, they caught the ball.) The problem, I think, is that at times, Tim Tebow is too flustered to find them when they’re open.
Comp... perhaps those WRs were open AFTER
Tebow had looked them off because they weren’t open at the time of his progression.
Yes, I saw several times that Erik Decker got open 30 yards downfield AFTER the pocket collapsed and Tebow had to scramble, but you can’t say Tebow should have found him after that.
There was only one time today that a WR was ‘wide-open’ and Tebow missed them. Most of the day our WRs were covered like blankets with little to no separation.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
That a good point.
That timeline thing that can be a little deceiving on TV compared to watching the game live. You’re probably right.
How do you guys see this?
Do you have coaches tape?
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2012 11:10 PM MST up reply actions
I agree here....
Seems like the ideal offense for Tebow is the Dilfer.
The run game is the best we’ve had in a while. So just sneak in a play action, crossing route to a WR or a TE. That’s all you need, but seems like the play action is always for a home run. Makes no sense.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2012 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
I think if Tebow had a MEGATRON to throw to...
Things would be different.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
does the coaching staff know about quick throws... even aaron rodgers has quick passes to get him in rythm... what is wrong with those... tebow threw a td against houston last year to buckhalter with a screen what has happened?
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
It's takes about 3-days for Tebow to wind-up
He is incapable of quick throws.
History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte
Did i see on sports science that Aaron Rodgers wind up was .4 sec and Tebows was .6 sec??
If you ask me that’s a difference by maybe a step and if he anticipates it would be perfect.
by diehardbronco2 on Jan 1, 2012 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
50% slower is a lot at this level of the game
The passing windows are tight and open and close in an instant. Anticipation helps, but it’s better to anticipate and also have a quick throwing motion.
History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte
you do realize that .4 and .6 are not 50% of each other lol
CHRIS BERMAN SAYS " COME ON MAN"
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
50% of .6 is .3 and 50% of .4 is .2.... so why are people stupid?
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
no no no no no... i think you are trying to make math stupid... look below
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
you can check my math, but i do believe it's only a 33% difference, which is closer to 50% than equal.
by diehardbronco2 on Jan 1, 2012 7:32 PM MST up reply actions
.2 difference is not .33 and defininitely not .5... the difference of .6 and .4 is just .2 lol....
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
actually according to statistics - .6 minus .4 equals .2 which then divide that by .6 and you get the difference which is .3333333 which equals 33%
by diehardbronco2 on Jan 1, 2012 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
you're referring to the actual units of time difference
he was referring to the percentage difference. They’re two different things
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
why does that have anything to do with THE DIFFERENCE WITH .4 and .6... dang
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:40 PM MST up reply actions
if i'm driving 40 mph
what is 50% faster than that?
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
A DWI...wow, math never my good point!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
lol 60 mph which is only .2 faster than 40 mph
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:42 PM MST up reply actions
exactly
he said Tebow’s release is 50% slower than Rogers which is correct
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
ok if im going 40 what is .50 faster or .33 faster it sure as hell aint 60
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:46 PM MST up reply actions
half of 40 is 20 is 20 not 30... we were talking a difference
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
the difference between Rogers .4 and Tebow .6
is .2 right…..0.2 is 50% of .4 right? Thus Tebow is 50% slower than Rogers.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
if .60 is 1.0 and the standard
if tebow was 50% slower he would have to be .3… because aaron rodgers is not the absolute
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
Enough with math...how about those Broncos, eh?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
dude great the broncos because we got into the playoffs more then mr ko
but like i was saying on your post before it got removed the play calling truely blew
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
got into the playoffs lol shit i do not like this moving screen stuff
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah man....I agree...Mcoy burtchered that game and made his team know he does not trsut anyone but McGahee...truly sad!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
ya but in a direct comparison
he was using Rogers .4 as the base. He said well Tebow is at .6 which isn’t far off. THe guy responded by saying ya but Tebow is 50% slower than Rogers. In that context the calculation is correct
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
but that is not absolute... and creates a lying number
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
Apparently we made the play offs!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Avg NFL QB's release is .4 seconds along with Rodgers
I was just using Rodgers, since he will probably end up being the MVP of the league.
Anywho next week playoffs!
by diehardbronco2 on Jan 1, 2012 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
I'm right 53% of the time, EVERY time...
do that math!? hahaha
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:43 PM MST up reply actions
Good first year for a lot of things!
New Star Rookies, New Coaches, New year with no off season, New excitement with a rookie QB, New hopes and even a New shot at the play offs….Isn’t this New Year Great?
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
On the bright side
Alphonso (I’m going to need some clean shorts) Smith blows goats…anyone who say the GB-Det games knows what I’m talking about.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
I am so sorry about Kuper's injury
It’s a devastating one, with the foot displaced sideways like that. I did that to myself in 2003, and it’s never been the same. The danger is breaking the “capsule” of the joint (can’t be restored) and also losing blood supply to the talar dome, killing some bone (only shows up years later). I’m praying he’s in good hands and can gain strength with no traumatic arthritis. Having an NFL future would be bonus, but for now, he’ll need all he help he can get with basic healing.
I’ll be rooting for the Broncos in the playoffs, and for Kuper for a good health outcome.
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
by juperee on Jan 1, 2012 6:44 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I hope it is better than mine
It didnt look as far around backwards, and I’m sure he’s got access to the best docs in the business. The fibula and tibia will heal just fine. It’s the joint itself and the talus that have to be cared for.
I am still in pain every day. Getting the joint fused would stop the pain, but being in my 30s, the idea of fusing my ankle just isn’t appealing!
Good luck to Koop.
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
broke my ankle about a year ago
haven’t been able to participate in sports since
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
Maybe we look at deCastro in the first?
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Being a Guard there's the possibility even though I'm not sure I would go that route...
We have bigger fish to fry and Kuper is a young guy and will heal..
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Kuper broke his lower leg confirmed by Fox
History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte
maybe watching the Broncs win in the playoffs will cheer him up
:D
It could happen. My team’s season was over weeks ago, so I feel free to pull for the Broncs. Similar team colors anyway.
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
That's better than tearing all the ligaments out of his ankle...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
One doesn't necessarily preclude the other
But you’re definitely right: the higher up and “bone only” it is, the better off he’ll be long term.
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
by juperee on Jan 1, 2012 7:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Congratulations, Defense, on an excellent game, and Special Teams played pretty well, too!
And congratulations to Willis McGahee for another fabulous game, while obviously hurting, and for having a totally wonderful year! You are a great player, and we wouldn’t be in the playoffs without your contribution throughout the season.
Unfortunately, the team can’t score many points when the rest of the offense is playing so poorly. If I remember correctly, the only points we got came from a field goal resulting from a KC fumbled punt. Have to say, this is one of the worst games I’ve ever watched, speaking solely from an offense point of view.
Neither of the last two teams with possibilities in the AFC West really deserve to make the playoffs, but of course somebody has to represent the division, so we get to do it.
How do you think we’ll do next week? Is it the Steelers who are coming to town? At least the game is played at Mile High.
by bill2975 on Jan 1, 2012 6:50 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
The Steelers aren't facing the same Broncos they dominated in 2006.
I think it could go either way, we matched up pretty good against the Jets and Bears defense and if our defense can put a strangle hold on Big Ben then we have a chance. I won’t count us out and losing 3 in a row isn’t going to sit to well with the team. Champ remembers getting burned by the Steelers in that game and will be playing a lot better in this one. A solid gameplan on both sides and it could come down to the last drive for either side…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
You can rely on that
I’m hoping for a serious bit of home field advantage
A tough game looming
We were dominated by all good teams we played this year: GB, Detroit and Pats. And Champ had his hands full with Bowe until he got sidelined with injury. And more, Pitt has more talented receivers than we have serviceable cover men – bad matchup for us.
Bad matchup via wide receivers, but maybe not so bad elsewhere
Have to admit, though, I would have preferred the Ravens with their unpredictable road performances….
Fox called it a "great effort"? Really?
Need some “work” on the passing game? Really?
History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte
If I was a reporter I would be like,
“Ahoy Captain Obvious! Thar passing game blows!!!!!!!!!!”
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
MIKE MCCOY NEEDS TO PISS OFF! I agree man..a great effort??? Fricking joke!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I thought DC Aleen made some great adjustments after the TD drive. They were pretty much hobbled the rest of the game...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
That KC touchdown was on Von Miller...
He had outside contain and came inside. McCluster just had to run around him and there was no help on that side at all.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
Yep...lost contain again!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Hoooooray us!
Thank you Phyllis Rivers. Trying to be happy we just made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years. But to lose to an inferior team for the second straight week, this time on our homefield leaves a sick taste. Offensively we put up zero points. With every thing on the line we played that poorly.
Last week I posted that this was all gravy so we should enjoy the rest of the season no matter how long it goes. But that was the most rancid disgusting gravy I ever had.
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
Fox's press conference was pretty lame
You’d think it would be more ebullient having just won the Division title. But it wasn’t and rightly so. Improbably season ended with a whimper. Let’s hope they find the magic for Pittsburgh.
History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte
Hey...Guess what? The Broncos just sold 76,000+ more tickets on the year!
That kind of revenue is sweet in my book…Just made several million dollars thanks to the Doltbags…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
WOW...
At the beginning of the year i would have loved a 6-10 season…
and take away 2 or 3 LUCKY… i mean LUCKY wins… we would have been there…
So with a smile i’ll take the mantle of AFC West Champs…… knowing that we aren’t in the same league as other Division Champs…
Whoever said life was short...was stupid!!
Life is the longest thing we will experience!!
We did play as a 6-10 team that got a few incredible breaks
Maybe even 5-11. But it is an improvement on last year, no question about that
yes indeed...
Whoever said life was short...was stupid!!
Life is the longest thing we will experience!!
by TrainDriverIvan on Jan 1, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
We also lost a couple of games in the 1-4 start we should have won and had no business losing...tRaiders and Titans.
Not counting today’s game we should have won.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Well we were a 4-12 team last year with huge holes. We still have holes to fill and it will take time but lets enjoy a playoff game instead of cussing and acting like idiots. Go Broncos!!!
by always broncs on Jan 1, 2012 7:02 PM MST via mobile reply actions
agree...
Whoever said life was short...was stupid!!
Life is the longest thing we will experience!!
by TrainDriverIvan on Jan 1, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
I'm with you...Broncos win the division and everybody whines....
by keb on Jan 1, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
its..
annoys me a little…. but that’s the roller coaster ride know as the DENVER BRONCOS
Whoever said life was short...was stupid!!
Life is the longest thing we will experience!!
by TrainDriverIvan on Jan 1, 2012 7:06 PM MST up reply actions
Serious...
you think you will enjoy the game? How did you enjoy today’s game?
by Mee on Jan 1, 2012 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
not much...
i think we are running outta gas….
Whoever said life was short...was stupid!!
Life is the longest thing we will experience!!
by TrainDriverIvan on Jan 1, 2012 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah look in the mirror and act like adults its football
by always broncs on Jan 1, 2012 7:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone no it wasn’t a great game but nobody’s making u watch
by always broncs on Jan 1, 2012 7:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I watch...
waiting for the comeback, doesn’t mean it is enjoyable. Yes I am an idiot fan, hoping this game might be different but they never are. Ineptness pure and simple.
by Mee on Jan 1, 2012 7:54 PM MST up reply actions
That didn't stop the idiots having you been reading?
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
OK to be 'serious' reading comment that have been derogatory agianst this team when they are trying very hard not to lose.
The Broncos were hobbled by circumstances beyond their control and still made it possible to play in the offseason. Thats short of miraculous from where we should have been. Next year will be a different season with some new players and everybody will have a heads up on the new coaches game schems and philosophies. That part was stolen form them with the lockout, so for now, I will enjoy the Broncos win lose or draw and see what happens in the coming year…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Just wanna throw this out there...
for all the people hating right now. This team played well enough throughout the entire season to be able to be where they were today, which was in a position to win the division. All the games matter. We finished 8-8 and we are the AFC West champs. Next week be damned. If you would have told me before this season that we’d have a home playoff game and would be crowned division champs I would have been ecstatic. Nobody expected this, yet here we are. I will enjoy this next week because we earned it. Whatever happens, happens after that. GB2
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
There's people on here and elsewhere who call themselves bonifide Broncos fans through and through,
but they just incessantly piss and moan if the Broncos aren’t 13-3 in a rebuilding year! I get that some children pout to get their way, or groan when they’re told to do something when they have the play staion controls in their hands, but people need to grow up and be men! Not be whiny cry-babies all the time…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
LOL now we have our
very own grammar nanny :) Do you have anything useful to say.? Besides acting like this is a NY Times article, or a resume? Its a football blog dude LMAO
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
What has been going on with Von Miller?
I’ve been covering other games, and haven’t been able to watch.
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
Follow @JesseReed78
Torn ligaments in his right? wrist.
Hasn’t been the same since.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
thumb is the problem and he only missed one game
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
Ah, I knew it was hand related :)
Thanks for the clarification, sir.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
I will proudly wear the tee shirt.
Since my 2005 Champs shirt is about to fall off of me.
But I can’t help but feel like we were just the least bad team in a crappy division more than anything.
This is exactly what’s been bothering me about this team all through that winning streak – the same thing everyone wanted to overlook in 2009. You can only win with smoke and mirrors for so ling before people figure it out and expose you.
Nobody wants to hear it but it’s a plain and simple fact.
“Winning is all that matters” – until you DON’T win. This team has been exposed for several weeks now and while I’m very proud to be a fan of the 2001 AFC Worst Champions, I gave up Kool-Aid a long time ago so I have no problem saying that this team is not ready for prime time, hasn’t been all year and probably won’t be next week.
Our search for a long term answer under center is nowhere near complete, and Elway was right to say that when he did. The army of psychotics who went after him over that comment should understand fully what he meant now. This team is young and gritty and has a lot of guts, but they also have a long way to go as a unit.
And for all of Tebow’s occasional heroics, for the most part he’s been relying on his physical skills and personal will. At the end of the day a quarterback needs to be able to, you know, PLAY QUARTERBACK. And I for one, am sick of watching the kid miss wide open receivers because he doesn’t see the whole field, get completely confused by basic line stunts, and over/under throw passes any third string guy should be able to make cold off the bench. And I was sick of it when we were winning. It was only a matter of time before the wheels fell off, and here we are.
Tim Tebow is a long, long way from being the QB we need him to be. We need to address his position in the draft (yes, possibly even in the first round) and in free agency. And if Tebow Nation can’t handle that, well they’re probably more fans of Tim Tebow than they are the Broncos.
Considering where we were this time last year, any way you look at it, this season has been a vast improvement. But let’s not allow Tim Tebow’s cult of personality to overshadow the fact that he is not starting QB material, and never was all year long. Maybe he can be with a full offseason of solid work, but I wouldn’t lose any sleep over us drafting a kid who can come in and throw the ball like a professional right away.
So let’s congratulate our team for their body of work this year but let’s not lose sight of reality – again. With an even halfway decent passer under center today we win this game. Despite all the other team errors that were made, we can’t escape that ugly, glaring fact.
So I’ll say it again – with an even halfway decent passer under center today we win this game.
Just ONE touchdown. Just 30 percent third down efficiency instead of 27. Just a couple more completions here and there.
Just simple mediocrity from our QB is all we needed today and we couldn’t even get THAT. The defense played well and McGahee accounted for over half our offensive output because Captain Jersey Sales could throw a ball a the ocean and miss.
I’m happy the Broncos are where they are. Any way you look at it, this beats 4-12 and NFL laughingstock. But we’ve got more questions than answers on this team right now, and it all starts with #15.
And there ain’t enough Kool-Aid in America to cover it up.
Tim Tebow built my hot rod.
by TheMastermind on Jan 1, 2012 7:12 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Good post
I await the entertaining back and forth to come
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
Its funny how, as fans we want to give all the players a HARD time, yet, the coaches get off scott free....
This team is young. We need GREAT co-ordinators and coaches, not hacks. I have not seen much conversation on that.
Look at the Denver Broncos vs Carolina Panthers: one organization develops systems around their players…not just their QB, but their players.
Coaching for YOUNG players is one of the most important things.
I see marginal coaching, teaching and mentoring with this young team…..just sayin"
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
by boydy2669 on Jan 1, 2012 7:20 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
Do you know what I see? I see a team that commits many silly penalties. When was the last time we had a kick or punt return that didn’t end with and illegal block to the back? That is just one small example. That falls on the coaching staff to fix those types of things. I agree with your sentiment a thousand times over.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
No QB can succeed with a sack rate of 10%+
Steve Young was a bust in Tampa and his first three years in SF with a sack rate of 10%+. He succeeded once the team stopped forcing him to scramble so much.
Our problem is not Tebow. It is the O-line
2 things...
Miller’s hand injury and Tebow’s regression have really hurt. Oh and some coaching gaffs like the idiot play calling. (I guess that is 3 things)
by Mee on Jan 1, 2012 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
Sigh, whatever.
Just because a few of us would like to see how he goes with a real off-season, we’re all Kool-aid drinkers.
By the same method of broad-brush branding and generalization, you’re an irrational blind, hater. Is that true?
I commend you for your consistency, though. Whether we win or lose, whether Tebow plays good or horrifyingly bad like today, you inevitably have the same, long-winded, Kool-aid based post.
Shame on us for getting excited after a few wins and some progression (until last week), for perhaps thinking that he may worth experimenting with. What were we smoking?
Did someone tell you we are in the playoffs? Cool, huh?
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
by tonks on Jan 1, 2012 7:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Tonks....I feel coaching is the biggest problem....young team needs GREAT mentorship and LEADERSHIP form coaching staff...
Not throwing them in as cannon fodder as I feel whats happening.
McCoy is inexperineced, so is Allen…..Dawk was the on field leader. Some goos stuff in2nd half from Bruotn and co, but man…i aint digging the coaching!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I love Tebow. But I agree with most of your post. Some valid points. I didn’t watch the game, but did wonder if Quinn might bring a spark. Tebow needs to be accurate. It’s that simple.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Jan 1, 2012 7:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Tebow, like any QB, needds to be game planned for success...ever wonder why so many AVERAGE players were game breakers with NE....could it be great coaching by Belichick and staff?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
"So I’ll say it again – with an even halfway decent passer under center today we win this game."
This is an inaccurate statement.
A QB needs someone to throw to – the Broncos don’t have any WRs or TEs that are playing at a high level.
Eric Decker is on a really bad streak of games.
D. Thomas is the worst route runner I’ve seen in a long time.
E. Royal who?
Do the Broncos have a Tight End?
On top of that the OC needs to put his WRs in a position to be successful. Our WRs run 10-30 yard deep play-action routes every time we call a passing play. They have a difficult time getting open to begin with, but when you require them to get open on a 4-6 second route deep down the field when the DBs & Safeties know what’s coming because your OC is predictable – you’re asking a lot.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:34 PM MST up reply actions
As long as the right side of the line has a tough time pass-protecting
Tebow’s blindside; the TE’s will be forced to block rather than run routes.
The wing-formation can help that...
by having the RB chip-block the DE which would allow the TE to release.
But McCoy doesn’t have any TE receiving plays. It’s absurd.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:48 PM MST up reply actions
Remember when we had a screen game? We had it under Studs!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
The Boot-Leg is open for Tebow every run play
seriously.
Why McCoy won’t call it I have no idea. tebow could run for years or find a WR deep, but it’s a game changer if we’d call it.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 7:55 PM MST up reply actions
Naked bootlegs??? McCoy is just plain bad and he is killing tebow, which kills the offense.....
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Yes, the naked bootleg that we ran under Shannahan
It’s open every play… I can’t believe we haven’t exploited it yet.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:00 PM MST up reply actions
What'd we run it today one time? And it worked! What happened?
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
So would reversing the entire line -- putting the TE's on the left
A lot of “playcalling” problems are the result of putting in a left-handed QB — after having spent the entire training camp with the line training for a right-handed QB.
If McCoy/Elway/Fox don’t rewrite their entire playbook in the off-season - to deal with the unique issue of a LH QB; then I will agree that TT is being set up to fail by incompetents. But a mid-season change from RH to LH is a HUGE change for everyone on the offense
Decker is the worst WR on our team.
Dude can’t catch a cold.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
Your singling out Tebow is unsettling, but your assessment of him in his career thus far is correct, he is a developmental project in the works.
If, (and, I’m gonig to say IF because it really matters in answering your quest) Tim Tebow and the rest of the team had a full offseason to work on technigue then I would totally agree, but I stand my ground with Tim Tebow and still believe he is the future of the Denver Broncos. Not to mention a new coaching staff with new schemes and systems. Before we start penciling in a quarterback in the first round let’s sit back and enjoy the moment and let the new coaching staff do what they couldn’t do this last year, teach their philosophies in full. I am looking forward to taking on Big Ben and the Steelers coming to town and now is not the time nor the place to be belly aching of what we should be doing. Tomorrow would be all about watching game films and relaxing after taking home the AFC West Crown and I will enjoy it for now, because as we all know, it has been a long…long time baby!
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Amen Bill!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
SERIOUS DOUBTS ABOUT OFFENSE, INCLUDING TEBOW
Love Tebow as a person and his also his gutty play and I have really enjoyed his comebacks this year. That being said, based especially on the last 3 games, I have serious doubts about him being the long term solution for the Broncos. Our offense with Tebow at QB has been exposed the last 3 games, as teams have figured out how to play well against Tebow, together with McCoy play calling.
Again, poor play calling also seems to be a factor, but we cannot disconnect the play calling and overall offensive scheme from what McCoy and Fox are willing do with Tebow, given the limitations that he has shown at this point in his carreer. Both Tebow and McCoy / Fox are at fault. But I think we are living in denial if we don’t think Elway and others may be thinking of someone else at QB for the future. You simply cannot play a game like Tebow played today and not have people have seriuos doubts about Tebow being a legitimate, long term solution at QB.
Maybe have serious doubts on coaching....from both side so f the ball!...DA steped up in second half for sure...but I have SEVER doubts on both our co-ordinators!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I'll agree with you
but you work with what you have and we severly lack talent on both sides of the ball and at many positions. Combine that with questionable coaching and you have a pretender team waiting to get squashed in the first round of the playoffs and will have to deal with a much harder schedule next year.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
On that note...Crap doesn't roll down hill but up!
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
We could have won this game 12-7 on 4 FG's
But Tebow fumbles near the red zone, Fox opts to punt over trying a 56 yarder, and Tebow allowed himself to get sacked out of field goal range. Of course thats assuming Prater hits them all, but whatever. There’s your game right there.
Tebow needs to get himself better ready to play next week. More passing plays to get him into the game would help, but that doesn’t excuse him from showing less emotion than Kyle Orton of all people. Tebow looked like he didn’t even want to be there compared to how he usually is. It’s going to be man-to-man from here on out Tebow, you are going to have to overcome it. It has now affected how you run; you are tentative to take off quick. Forget everyone else, just go! You know when you can get some easy yards, don’t take your greatest weapon out of the game.
And for crying out loud, MIKE MCCOY IS A TRUCKIN MORON. Unleashin my inner Boydy there
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
Tebow is loyal man...he will follow his coaches to the trenches....did it at Neese, at Florida...hes only had McCoy so he know no better....
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
A 56 and a 63 yarder...What was Fox thinking?
Even 9-7 and Prater tying the record would have ended sweet! I don’t get that?
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Giants 8-7 vs Cowboys 8-7 Winner goes to the playoffs
Don’t see much talk about how either of these teams don’t deserve to be there
well the 8-8 team wont get in
that and neither team looked utterly inept for the last 3 games.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
They sure as hell looked inept several times during the season though...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
it seems
the Broncos will play in the late Sunday afternoon window, that’s exciting
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 7:26 PM MST reply actions
Any given Sunday my friend....I am not that scared of the Steelers!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I hope it's a blizzard...Oh, I said that already...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Be careful what you wish for...
you just might get it.
by Mee on Jan 1, 2012 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
Orton is horrible....
he still only managed 7 points.
Plus he’s just a boring sack of turds who is in no way compelling. He’s just horrible.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2012 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
He also had D. Bowe to throw to...
and still sucked.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
Bowe had 6 rec for almost 100 yards, before he was injured.
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That's because BOWE is a BEAST...
he’s a great WR.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
Dude were going to resign him you don't have to beg.
The Fact is he’s a upgrade over Cassel so it would only makes sense. You should be hoping we get rid of him and keep Cassel. Trust me.
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Not really
He’s another Cassel. In fact, Cassel was better last season. You guys didnt get an upgrade.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Cassel was better because the Chiefs had a easy schedule and better talent.
Orton makes better reads, gets rid of the ball faster, and has a better deep arm.
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And was leading the NFL in picks when he got benched
and good luck keeping him healthy for an entire season, well, you’ve already seen that
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yeah the Chiefs need to address the o-line in the draft or FA market, but with the right play calling and 3 step drops he should be ok.
1 sack in 3 games this year and we’ll improve next year. With J.C back next year he won’t have too pass it that much anyways.
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wait till the defense gets to him a couple of times
then you will see how good he is at diving to the fetal position…His fierce desire to win and lead will soon drive you nuts…if that is going to be an upgrade then you might want to look for a better one in the off season.
Personally I hope you stick with your upgrade cause I believe I know what is coming for you…good luck
Cassel the same way, if you get pressure on him he fails.
The difference is that Orton has a quicker release and a stronger arm. That gives us a better chance to succeed in the long run. In 3 games we gave up 1 sack with a o-line that will be improved next year, not to mention the fact that we’ll have J.Charles and T.Moeaki back next year so teams won’t be able to sell out on the blitz.
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for what it's worth
the best part of today’s game was that i felt confirmed in not wanting kyle here.
the second best part was a mcdonald’s cheeseburger. maybe not the best sunday afternoon ever, but it’s the little things, right?
How did you feel confirmed?
Maybe it’s just me but I’d take 15 of 29 180 yards over 6 of 22 for 60 yards.
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You may be right.
But IMO the Chiefs have more talent than he did in Denver. If Orton is going to ever succeed this is is best chance ever, IMHO.
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yep.
this is it. this is orton’s BIG shot. it’s now or never. if he’s ever going to be the next steve bono it’s got to be now because he’ll be 30 next year. i’m sure you guys have found that diamond in the horse pile on the side of the road. totally sure of it this time.
You know what, if he passes for 300 yards a game, with our running game and a solid defense he'll win alot more games than you think.
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My friend....
He will not succeed, and he will bore the hell out of you. It will be misery watching your team because your QB is CAPT Snoozefest.
He is a joy blackhole. No joy can escape him.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2012 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
lol.
7 points, cave. that’s orton. good stats, 7 points.
and no, i wasn’t horribly proud with tebow today either, so you don’t have to go there. that said, i’m just glad we don’t have orton anymore. lots of yards, not lots of points. same as it ever was.
by oxmouth on Jan 1, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Beat me to it
7. Whole. Points.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I don't care if it was 4 points it got the win, thats what a complete team does.
I think I’ll give him the off season with the team and all our starters back healthy to see what he can do.
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Please
Your D won that game for you, not Orton. He only did enough to not lose it to you guys. Good for your team they won, but dont try and polish a turd, cause its still a turd
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Well it does take a team effort, and it's still a win.
Yeah he was a turd on your team, he on the Chiefs team now. We’ll see what he does with better players around him, my guess is he wins more games, but he might completely suck.
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see how he does when you get behind
he will never be able to be counted on as a clutch player to come from behind. so as long as you have the lead you will have a chance. take away the lead and your chances go very close to zero…just saying
I've watched him play his whole career and I know what you're talking about.
I think you guys are underestimating the rest of the Chiefs roster for next year.
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not underestimating at all
but the weak link will be at qb if you keep ort. but if you can get the lead you will have a good chance with the win. but if you get behind you will surely be in trouble. But who knows, maybe he will change and become mentally strong for you guys and stop doing what he always have…
If you guys are happy with him that is all the matters.
I thought it was all about the wins.
I don’t think the Bronco team was a good fit for his abilities. You can win games by running the ball, throwing when you have to, and playing good defense. Like it or not Orton is a better fit for the Chiefs than he was in Denver.
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win win then, right?
you get orton, we don’t have him. we can all rejoice in this bright, shiny new 2012!
Right cause his TD/INT ratio is fan flippin tastic for you guys
He’s a game manager nothing more. You guys got another Cassel on your hands, and one thats more oft injured.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
He's played 3 games.
Maybe we should evaluate Tebow over the last three game and make a judgement on what he’ll do next year, would that make any sense…………………….. ahhhh no.
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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Zing.
When we win; it's Tebow. When we lose; it's everyone else.
by Matt In Canada on Jan 2, 2012 12:41 AM MST up reply actions
Go look up some of his Shootouts from his time here in Denver
Like the 476 yd 13 performance vs Indy…or the 09 Raider game at home that also ended in 19 points like your own GB game. But keep lying to yourself cavey. And yeah, Tebow has sucked it up something awful lately, but Im glad were finding out what we have in him instead of losing anyway with Capt Neckbeard
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
You act like I'm saying he's our QBOF.
He’s a band-aid that happens to be better than Cassel, that’s it.
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I got it guys, I know what the problem is
Its me. Im 0-3 goin to games. Im jinxing the Broncos. Sorry fellas
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
dude i am 0-2 but the bad times make you enjoy the good times that are coming
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
haha I know I was trying to be funny
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Stay your butt home next week OK!
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
It's Simms and Nantz man, not you.
Ever since they started announcing our games we’ve lost 3 straight.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
by Automatik41 on Jan 1, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope the MSN rips the Broncos a new one all week.
Just be relentless about what a bad team they are, and what a joke it is that they’re in the playoffs at all. Convince Pittsburgh that they should look beyond Denver, to whoever they might be playing the following week, so they’ll overlook Denver completely. That would be ideal.
reeeeaaally pulling for tebow...
but throw me a bone here, #15. you’re the ‘hardest workin man in showbiz’ but man, you HAVE to show some forward progress soon. the best thing i got out of today was that we’re going to the playoffs somehow AND i still don’t miss kyle orton. come on, tim. improvement.
ugh gotta agree with you here ox.
It was pretty bad today
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yep...he was bad today, along with the whole offense!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
yeah boydy, but today i have to say it wasn’t about dropped passes, bad blocking, bad play calling etc. it was tebow. he needs to manage way more than 3 points. i would’ve said that about orton so i need to be fair and say this one was on tim. he just plain sucked today and looked… confused?… insecure…? something. but it was bad.
Agreed man...but that all comes back to coaching and the confidence you show in your players...McCoy showed none...to the whole passing offense!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
normally i’m with you, b. but today it looked like they gave tim everything he could ask for and he couldn’t throw straight to save his life. just really disappointing to me. i think the play calling was pretty much on target all day and tebow just didn’t execute. crap.
Sorry man, the play calling was abysmal...even my wife was calling out what was going to happen....McCoy choked more than his offense did! Anyway man, love ya Ox...new week.....but the biggest thing we could do to improve team is to fire McCoy....
McCoy is HORRENDOUS!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
LMAO...I called out to my wife the Fells pass and catch just before the snap. That wasn't the only one either...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
At the game today and saw something different...
It really didn’t appear to be a ‘Tebow-thing’ today, it looked like a poor WR scheme (in terms of the route trees being run), and the WR weren’t getting separation at all today.
Tim is coached to ‘not force it’ and that philosophy combined with a WR corps that doesn’t get separation means you get: A) the QB holding onto the ball too long, B) sacks and hurries and C) very low completion numbers.
Tebow did hurt us BIG-TIME with that fumble though. I WAS SCREAMING AT HIM LIKE CRAZY FOR THAT!
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:29 PM MST up reply actions
guys
i hope all of you are right, but i’m just saying tebow cost us this one. a good QB gets more than 3 points today. he’s young and all, but even if the coaching was horrible (i didn’t think it was today) he needs to put up at least… 10? … 17? points instead of 3. coaching, receiving, fans, yada ya—nothing was so bad today that the QB couldn’t put up more than 3.
Play calling cost us this one. McCoy once again did not trust his kids to out their foot on the throat of the opposition. Orton was Orton, and McCot hung his team out to dry!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Again, respectfully disagree...
WRs not getting open is a huge problem.
Play-calling and schemes make or break this offense. We aren’t talented enough at any position on offense to win with talent alone.
Tebow can’t force his WRs to catch the ball, or get open. He can’t force McCoy to call a pass play after two 3-&-outs when running the ball up the middle.
Tebow’s fumble was bad, but the rest of his play wasn’t bad. It was average.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:38 PM MST up reply actions
agree for the most part, but the only disagreement i have is a crucial one. that’s that tebow hamstrung us today—not mccoy. i don’t know what the hell kind of magic play mccoy could’ve called that would’ve worked when tim couldn’t hit receivers when they were open or find open guys instead of throwing the ball away. he killed us today and that makes me sad.
Did we run a slant?
A TE drag route underneath the safety
A screen to J. Johnson?
A bubble screen?
A naked bootleg?
well, okay. but if i put myself in mccoy’s shoes i don’t know what to call because tebow’s play dictates what i can do. if my QB can’t make a quick decision and hit an open receiver than all bets are off and i go with the sure thing—run the ball for about 200 yards. which, normally wins you a game.
Tebow has hit the quick routes and underneath stuff before. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
It’s rarely called.
he sucked today, man. i’m pulling for him as much as a lot of fanboyz, but call a spade a spade. he just plain pooped his pants today and he’s playing the game, not mccoy.
i was pissed at mccoy last week and i could put that one on him, but today was a losing situation for any play caller. there was nothing outside of running the ball that would’ve worked. tebow was that bad.
There’s no passing rhythm created by the play-calling.
Tebow isn’t Rodgers, so you have to take extra care with the game plan to do two things:
Run early and often, but mix in short passing routes, even out of the shotgun.
Let the kid run when the first options aren’t there.
Let the kid run when the first options aren’t there.
that’s part of the problem. it IS his choice. he’s not making the right decisions. talk me down please.
I think Tim did make some bad reads today
You’re right on that, but I think Elway has made it clear that he has to stay in the pocket (to keep his job).
That’s unfortunate because the passing scheme and WR talent isn’t at the point where that makes sense. Tebow should run after his 2nd progression with this group.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions
It looks like he’s trying to be a pocket passer, and holding the ball beyond the primary/secondary options aren’t open, and then it’s too late to run.
True...
He’s been told that he ‘must win from the pocket,’ even if the pocket collapses because the WRs can’t get open… and Fox/McCoy are telling him to ‘beach it’ if there appears to be a lack of separation…
Those things don’t lend to ANY QB performing well.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:08 PM MST up reply actions
I'll try
I agree he has made some bad decisions in the last few weeks and in m opinion it’s because he is not playing instinctively anymore. I’m probably wrong but I just don’t see it in his eyes anymore. He looked scared and confused at times like he was trying to do the “right” thing, what the coaches want him do do instead of what he KNOWS he can do. Tim seems to me to be the kind of person who is going to do whatever he is coached to do and is expected of him and he’s just not ready to be “that” type of QB.
Now that we have made the playoffs I’d tell him him to just go have fun and play the game he loves. Be a football player and go make it happen. I just think that coaching him right time is the wrong time. We can work on developing him in the off-season but right now really just need the gamer back to go win 4 games.
I’m no football expert but this is what my eyes and gut tell me.
GO BRONCOS!!
Coach John Fox - "Timmy is fine. He's done this his whole life. It's the rest of the guys that are learning it."
Tebow did play less than good, but McCoy had more to work with
than what he actually did.
But, being at the game, the WRs were a real problem today.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:54 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not saying don’t run.
But jeez — play action 20 yard routes with a left-handed QB? Are you nuts?
Where was the naked bootleg?
Tebow would KILL teams with that!
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
I’ve always loved the naked bootleg.
Most of the time, teams have a slow QB who can’t get to the corner. But Denver doesn’t.
So, you run it a couple times early, and then they see it and break contain on the WR/TE down the field to come up to the QB, and if Tebow can get it over the D, it’s a big gain.
we ran a naked boot fake
1RB, 4 TEs, wing formation, it was 3rd and 3 on the drive following the FG that we inexplicably didn’t try for (6th drive?). One of the TEs releases down the seam and Tim found him for 14 yards and the converted 1st down.
Then we got the holding call and couldn’t dig out of 1st and 20. McCoy called a playction out of our standard 122 formation, and the pressure was right there and forced a bad throw. We the ran the ball twice and punted, including a designed QB keeper.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 9:59 PM MST up reply actions
I must have had my eyes closed...
I don’t remember running a BOOT today at all. (was that Fells’ only catch play?) Course I had a rowdy Chiefs fan in my ear the whole game… uggg.
I don’t mind the Wing formation, I think it has a lot of potential, but I don’t think we use it to its full capacity at all. No screens out of it? No RB chip-block releases to the flat?
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
in the preseason
they ran a sweet wing formation play a couple of times that involved tossing to McGahee (the wing), on a little bubble thingamajiggy. I am looking forward to more of that in the future.
I think the TE situation is limiting what they feel like they can do with it. I have high hopes for Julius Thomas and Green, but it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if we add some more talent there. I worry about Foxy’s rep with TEs, how he has all their hands cut off or something like that, but I still hope he has plans for a wingback style of player and offense. What a great complement to Tebow’s abilities!
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 AM MST up reply actions
Ox, I don't know that Tebow's play dictates what you can do...
Part of our win-streak and ability to comeback in the 4th QT of those games was that McCoy kept the defense off guard and had route concepts that were short AND deep.
Those screens are POWERFUL with this team. And we didn’t run a single one today.
No doubt Tebow didn’t play well – but a better game plan would have masked Tebow’s problems today.
Problem was that the coaching AND offense were not clicking today.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
again, it kills me to be on the dark side, but had any other QB thrown the ball and missed guys like tim did today, i would be saying the same things. especially if it was orton…. because i’m glad he’s gone.
I didn't get to see the TV because I was at the game
But what I saw was blanketed receivers that weren’t open all day long. I saw poorly run routes and Tebow trying to make something out of nothing.
I didn’t see many ‘open receivers’ that Tebow missed.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
Oh and Ox, please don't feel picked on...
I respect what you’re saying, but being at the game I saw something different.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
not at all. i actually welcome opposing views because i want to be wrong here. tim was 6 for 22 today. they didn’t exactly keep him handcuffed. and yeah, i’ve been harping on the receivers since tim got the starting job, but he was missing horribly today—even when guys were open. he also keeps managing to not see guys when the are open. problematic.
At the game I didn't see many 'open receivers'
If you watch on the TV, you can’t see the WRs down field. Honestly, Tebow didn’t have much to work with today.
I saw one bad play where he took at sack with an open receiver underneath, but that was it.
Decker got open LATE a few times, but that was 6 seconds into the play after Tebow was already scrambling for his life.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
There was tons of single coverage
Perhaps not wide open, though a few of those did come on the far sideline where it could be seen on TV. They also showed a number of overhead replays, particularly in the first half, where Decker runs a go into a post (i guess thats what you call it) that they have hooked up on before, but Tebow wouldn’t pull the trigger. Open long enough to make the pass. But it sure didn’t look like much was coming open in the 4th. The Chiefs play solid man-to-man.
Still, it is better Tim throws those onto the side of the receiver away from the defender and live to fight on another down, instead of standing in the pocket and running around the LOS. Either throw it away, or tuck it and go. He isn’t doing that at all now.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
I saw the single coverage a lot...
But the WRs weren’t creating separation. On top of that, they weren’t getting inside position so Tebow could throw it. Royal and Decker are really bad at that.
Like I said earlier, Decker was open late on some pass plays – but well after the time that Tebow was being hurried or scrambling. That’s a SCHEME problem because Tim needs some CHECK DOWN routes to throw to when the deep plays aren’t there.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
I agree that the receivers spent most of the day covered
not to the point of forcing incompletions, but enough to keep Tim from pulling the trigger, which is a product of many things. I also saw several instances where the routes being called were inappropriate, (the fleaflicker on the 2nd play was an example: called a corner out route, which I have never seen before in combo with a fleaflicker. Usually you see the WR run a post in that situation. There were more instances). there were also times when Tim’s outlet was supposed to be a TE, and the WR routes were supposed to clear space for them, but that wasn’t happening (9th drive? on 3rd and 6, Decker and Fells end up crowding the same area near the first down marker, congesting the play and Tim has no one to throw to. My guess is Decker ran the wrong route.)
On that same note, Tebow missed pulling the trigger on numerous passes( 8th? drive, 2nd and 6, playction out of the standard 122, Tim misses his first read of decker who comes wide open 20 yards downfield on a slant, easily a 30 yard play. Ends up holding the ball until he either threw it away or ran OOB, I forget which.)
On that note, the final drive was 7 passes, pretty much all from the 104 grouping, with TIm in the shotgun and a RB releasing after the rush was diagnosed. I thought he threw well on that final drive, with only one play where I thought he missed a read (2nd play). The drop by Willis was a heartbreaker. The roughing the passer call was a relief.
The last throw of that drive, and of the game, was a microcosm of Tim’s struggles on the day. He just seemed a bit overwhelmed by the challenge today. On 4th and 2 he saw everyone was covered, scrambled, and then threw the ball away. Egad.
We’ll get em next week….
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 1, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
"We'll get em next week..."
EXACTLY!
We’ve come a LONG way since our 4-12 season!
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
We’re really not disagreeing here.
Tebow was terrible.
My argument is that the play-calling scheme lacks several wrinkles that I feel would make Tebow’s performance better.
Tebow has played worse... I don't think he was terrible.
Of course, he wasn’t good either.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:27 PM MST up reply actions
if that is the case that the qb can't make these decisions
then why didn’t the coach scheme for that? why did he cut tebow lose at the end and let him pass every play? did the coach then believe tebow could all of a sudden start completing enough to win?
If they thought he could do this then why did they not let him pass or have different passing options for him?
I agree, tebow played very poorly today. But we have see him pass before and he was never this bad. that is because he had wr’s that could get open or were open. He also had more options to pass but today it just never felt like they wanted him to pass at all..
Just wish the coaches would have stuck to their plan of run every play until the end instead of running all day and then depending on our lack of passing game to pull off the win.
Just seemed to me that the game plan was lacking to the point that everyone knew just what we were going to do, like every game. just now the other teams adjusts for it and we have no answer. coaches have to take some huge responsiblity for this loss also….
but we did get over 200 yards rushing….that is good I guess
EMD, agree and you are correct.
The crossing routes are non-existent. The underneath routes are non-existent.
You have to at least let your offense TRY and run those types of plays.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
Look I love tebow as well
but he did cost us this one along with McCoy. The 2 plays that cost us: The fumble and the disgusting non call facemask. I think that would have put us at the one and I woulda bet my hat we punch it in. Maybe one of my huevos even. No nevermind, I’ll need those
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I agree with both sides on this thread
Tim held onto the damn ball too long, didnt hit open guys, and his fumblitis is getting old, BUT, why the F@@@ dont we throw flipping screens? Get a RB open in the flat?? A short throw to the sidelines?? You know, something that isnt necessarily a 15 yd or longer throw?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
et tu, cali?
i’m just saying, if your QB gives you no confidence and you’re running for 200 yards or so, maybe just run the damn ball. tebow was a wildcard today and not in a good way. maybe i’ll just keep doing the 200 yard run thing.
btw, this isn’t something i’ve said before. but this game? sorry man, but the way he was going i wouldn’t have felt good having tim pitch manure into an soybean field.
also, soon and very soon we all need to back off of the coaching staff that’s built their careers on this totally different scheme. they’ve gone way further to meet tim halfway than he’s come at this point. he needs to learn to be an average passer at least.
also, soon and very soon we all need to back off of the coaching staff that’s built their careers on this totally different scheme. they’ve gone way further to meet tim halfway than he’s come at this point. he needs to learn to be an average passer at least.
McCoy is not even calling basic pass plays like slants, screens, and drags. That’s not changing the entire scheme, that’s doing basic shit so that your QB isn’t getting killed on 3rd-and-long play action 30 yard route bullsh*t.
3 -step drop.
ZERO 3 step drop plays…
That’s a shame.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:23 PM MST up reply actions
decker was wide open on a slant
2nd and 6 hard playaction, safety was temporarily suckered, and Tim didn’t pull the trigger… probably would have caught it for about 15 yards, and it looked like it could have netted 30 with YAC….
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 2, 2012 3:14 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, its pretty bad all around like I've said
but they should still try and go for some shorter stuff, but who knows, maybe Tim cant throw a screen? All I know is one of his completions to deck was a nice short one to the sidelines for 6, but it was on 3rd and 8…bleh. I will say this, if after the offseason and TC if he still looks like this even going one game into 2012, then we need to start looking at other options
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
i’m pulling for tebow. he needs to throw me a bone here. is that too much to ask? hey tim: i stick up for you all the time and have for over a year now. throw. me. a. bone. thx.
7-4...
Helped a 1-4 team win 7 of the next 11 to make the playoffs.
That’s a pretty good bone. :)
But you’re right, I want to see him play lights out this week.!
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions
A T-Bone even?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I’ve seen him throw a screen.
In fact, he threw a heck of a screen to Jeremiah Johnson against the Patriots in the first half of that game.
Maybe we could try one of those again
you know just for sh*ts and giggles? Who knows, we might get some yards out of it
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
or it might go into the dirt when we could've at least had 2 running yards.
or maybe i’m bitter tonight… eh, could be.
It's ok Ox. :) First playoff appearance since 2005...
will help you sleep :)
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
no doubt, my friend. i’m not the type to whine about how my team doesn’t belong. if we’re in the playoffs we have a much better chance than those other saps who aren’t. i can prove that, too.
haha, good point!
I like our chances over Kyle Orton and the Chiefs chances for sure!
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
Im feeling bitter myself
And the Playoff appearance doesnt make me feel better at all, sorry AlwaysRight. All they needed was one measly touchdown to win, with the playoffs on the line, and they some GREAT field position during the second half, and couldnt come up with anything. And the final score was 7-3. Ugh I need to sleep this one off. Good night ya’ll
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Tebow, WRs, TEs, and McCoy/Fox cost us this one...
All of them together.
No doubt. Of course our Defense hasn’t caused a turn-over in 3 games I think (not one in these last 3 loses). We need our D to help the O out a bit more hahaha (I know, holding KC to 7 points should be enough – right?)
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
The deep routes are getting old
because our receivers suck at getting separation. But the few times they did, Tim looked unsure. It was brutal all around. But hey, our D really stepped it up out there!!
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
YAY D!
Of course we weren’t exactly playing a high-powered offense today either. Their play-calling was about as scared as ours.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:19 PM MST up reply actions
I think Tebow is perhaps being coached to be 'unsure.'
In College, and even last year under Studesville he was more willing to squeeze balls in tight spaces. Fox has instilled a mindset of, ’don’t make mistakes or you may get benched,’ so he plays it safe a lot.
Of course I think Tebow has also perhaps lost confidence in his Wide Receivers. When he makes good throws, half the time they don’t catch the ball.
When Tebow makes average throws, they don’t catch the ball.
I’d be unsure throwing the ball to these guys too. Willis dropped a big one in the 4th today on that last drive.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:22 PM MST up reply actions
Giants fans are so nice!
they think we deserve the playoffs and they do too!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 8:12 PM MST reply actions
Bad day for Tim, Fox, McCoy and the passing game.
(I cut and pasted my reply to Boydy’s post before it was lost)
It seems like Tim’s being coached NOT to run….
There were a few opportunities today where he could have taken off for gains, but chose to stay in the pocket and try to make something happen. That’s like castrating your prized bull. Sorry for the nasty metaphor, but it’s true. Tim struggled today, but he’s playing like he’s being told to……
I considered today an audition for McCoy’s future. It didn’t look bright to me, but I’m not Elway/Bowlen/Fox.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Amen man....that are hamstringing all that makes Tebow great...
You DONT teach athletes new skills in the actual game…thats done in practice, which for the NFL is the off season.
Maybe its a sign Tebow is REALLY progressing, but McCoy, as I have said MANy times, seems to lack feel for the game, and the creativity to adjust game plans.
Tebow has lots of work to do…all young players do. But the kid tthrew WELL in college, and we know he has athleticism to make plays.
trying to make him ABSORB pocket passing skills now is plaing silly. Play to his strengths, see where it gets you, and DEVELOP in off season.
Its pretty rudimentary coaching!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
by boydy2669 on Jan 1, 2012 8:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you brother... please post a great post that some "people" will not find offensive...
by Joshua Glover on Jan 1, 2012 8:22 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks man!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I do smell a post coming soon...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Yep....how he can have accuracy records with short passes in college, and not do it in the NFL....makes no sense
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
We're talking about practice man
I mean how silly is that? 
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 8:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That was funny how he just walked off...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Agee Ben, now is not the time to be teaching fundamentals...That craps out the door, it balls to the wall now...
If McCoy’s are big enough…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
McCoy has balls?
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
McCoy is a water boy that lucked a job...just like Xanders!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
If the Broncos are going to win...
McCoy’s ‘boys’ better drop …. Conservative won’t win in the playoffs, our Defense isn’t that dominant yet (zero turnovers in 3 games)
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
Next Sunday the Broncos have nothing to lose but everything to gain...
Let it all hang out and let Tebow do his thing.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
I totally agree
See my post above but I think Tim has been “coached” damn near to death. He seems so worried about doing what he thinks he’s supposed to do and because of that he just winds up getting confused. He struggles with just getting it done vs doing what the coaches want him to do.
Coach John Fox - "Timmy is fine. He's done this his whole life. It's the rest of the guys that are learning it."
Disappointed
Disappointed we did not win. Worried about Tim’s performance and our WR ability to get open. Sad about Kuper. Stoked about the playoffs. Hopefully we can play a balanced offense with creativity this next week.
That being said, defense did well against a mediocre offense. Orton is still Orton regardless of where he plays.
by MajorG on Jan 1, 2012 8:34 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I keep waiting for this...
and waiting and waiting and waiting…
by Mee on Jan 1, 2012 8:39 PM MST up reply actions
Me too
Play action pass, receivers beating their coverages, slant routes, short outs, and quick slants are a must. We haven’t done any of that. Those are staples in any offense, just ask Brady. Guys like Thomas make those plays into big plays with run after the catch. But you can’t hold Tim totally accountable. The receivers were not getting open with the routes they were given. This against a pretty good secondary.
by MajorG on Jan 1, 2012 8:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Deep routes
I love Timmy. Buy throwing the deep route is not his strong suit. Not sure why we waste crucial freely downs on that. But who am I to judge.
by MajorG on Jan 1, 2012 8:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
All the deep routes were covered well today...
That’s a WR talent problem and a scheme problem.
Our OC can’t route tree every pass play to be DEEP. It’s too easy for the opposing defense to cover.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 1, 2012 9:25 PM MST up reply actions
I'm a Mavericks fan
in the NBA, but too smart to be a Cowgirls fan!
Brad James
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2012 9:28 PM MST up reply actions
HaH!
sounds like a blast. “hey, um, i guess we could listen to music or something… you guys like abba?…”
by oxmouth on Jan 1, 2012 10:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I warned my wife
I said: “Tell our guests that I will be watching the Broncos playing for a playoff spot today and will be agitated.”
They all ended up watching me watch the game.
I didn’t care: I work hard for a living and I’m entitled to my own entertainment, if you can call today’s game that!
How many teams with "better quarterbacks" are making vacation plans now?
Getting into the playoffs after 4-12 last year is a bonus. After a 1-4 start is a bonus.
enjoy the ride Broncos fans.
I was thinking Jim Mora thoughts when we were 1-4 after being 4-12 last year!
We have not been in the playoffs since forever. Getting their is an accomplishment and something to build upon.
Enjoy it!
What’s that? Ah — Playoffs? Don’t talk about — playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game!
-Jim Mora
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=p3-eavMSBnk
People can try and blame Mike McCoy for the woes of the Broncos passing game when it clearly is a result of the inability of Tim Tebow to read the D, read his progressions, make consistently accurate throws, and to dump the ball to the sidelines instead of running around deep ion the backfield like a playground QB. If Tim Tebow had the Green Bay WR corps they would fare no better as Tebow cannot make a quick slant or a split second decision to save his life. Can someone honestly tell me that Brady Quinn could do worse? I think Brady Quinn could at least hit Decker or Royal in stride on a 5 to 7 yard slant and not put it 3 feet over their heads or at their feet with a safety drilling them between the numbers.
Phill Simms said that Tim Tebow throws thousands of passes during the week before a game and a ton in game warmups yet he cannot make throws that an average rookie or backup is expected to make. His throwing mechanics are not going to improve. Denver is stuck with this novelty act until Pat Bowlen sees something besides jersey sales and allows his coach and front office to bring in a proper NFL ready QB to the fold.
Enough is enough. This novelty act is embarrassing Broncos fans and the NFL.
by sid66 on Jan 2, 2012 8:49 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Playcalling?
It loked t me that the playmakers laid an egg, even my boy Champ. Tebow-bad, wide receivers-bad. When Tebow fumbled it was almost 3 am here I think, and I knew it was all over.
Champ has yet to live up to his inflated new contract. Chris Harris makes more plays and he is an undrafted rookie.
Thinking Champ might need to slide to safety
sooner than later.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
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