Why I Left (And Why I'm Back)
Hello, MHR! It's been a while since we last spoke... far too long, actually. Though you haven't heard from me in a while, I have been keeping an eye on you all this time. After all, this is the premier source for Denver Broncos news and opinion on the Internet, and I've been part of this community since way back when. Some of you know who I am and others yet might vaguely remember me, but this message is not necessarily directed at that (by now) rather limited subgroup of the members. I think that, in explaining my sudden and unfortunately extended hiatus from this site, we might all once again be reminded of what makes this place great to begin with. Follow me below the fold and I'll tell you how!
I stumbled upon SB Nation over five years ago, looking for a better way to follow my favorite baseball team - the Atlanta Braves - finding it in Talking Chop. Two months later, I became the 130th member of Mile High Report, SB Nation's then-fledgling Denver Broncos site. Run by the very same John Bena who now oversees this Internet Leviathan we call home, it quickly became one of my favorite places on The Web. I've watched as MHR has not only expanded, but evolved into something that is both bigger and better than any of us could have ever expected. For a while, I was even privileged with posting front page articles alongside some of the same great writers that run the site today. Then, suddenly, I stopped and left.
Like much of the Old Guard, I had already been through the First Schism (Plummer v. Cutler) by the time MHR was cast into a Second Civil War of sorts, otherwise known as the McD Era. I was an unabashed supporter of the McDaniels administration in Denver. I had called for the firing of Mike Shanahan at least a year before it finally happened. I agreed with the decisions to trade the likes of Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall, and even praised the returns we were able to secure for both. I lauded almost all of his draft picks, even the most controversial ones like Knowshon Moreno and Tim Tebow. I basked in the light of his scorching hot start and recoiled from the vitriol that flooded in as that winning tide ebbed. I was shocked by his sudden firing and repulsed by the consensus approval of that decision from all corners. I was at a loss for words, and then, I was gone.
Rather than rage against the dying of the light and feed the discord further, I decided to take a step back. What started out as an unintended bit of radio silence became an open-ended hiatus. I correctly predicted that McDaniels would be replaced by John Fox (the NFL likes polar-opposite hires) and I wondered what new shape my beloved Broncos would take. I hoped that the new administration might continue along the general path that McD had blazed - the complete rebuilding of a decayed franchise - and that they might stumble upon the same creative direction that Josh himself had actually set out on. I feared the worst, hoped for the best, and expected something in between. That fence-straddling, however, turned out to be more precarious than I had expected.
The Broncos went into 2011 looking like a team that: at best, could narrowly avoid another disastrous losing season, at worst would be entering the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes, and most likely would play poorly enough to land just outside of the premium slots at the top of the draft. It seemed John Fox, John Elway, and Brian Xanders would forsake everything that McDaniels had done in favor of building something all of their own. Not only would this seal McD's fate in the annals of Broncos history as their biggest failure (and condemn his supporters to similar disdain) but it would set the franchise back years in exchange for just the chance that the new guys knew better. But then, irony of ironies, the same fan groundswell that I believe ultimately washed McDaniels out of Denver forced the EFX regime to turn to Josh's ultimate lightning rod: Tim Tebow.
At 1-4 and with little hope for improvement, Denver's fans proved too impatient to allow for EFX to damn the present and flush out the roster slowly to rebuild at their own pace. If the Broncos were going to lose, then they might as well empty out the arsenal and go down fighting. Finally, McDaniels' last card would be played, if only by his successors, and his legacy would be buoyed along with the Broncos season and future. We all know the rest of that story - whose ending is still thankfully unwritten - so I won't ramble on about it any further. But what I will add is my own footnote: the turnaround this season brought closure to a painful chapter in our shared history with a positive note and the promise of more happy endings yet to come. And that brings me back to MHR, both as my intended topic for this piece and quite literally to post it here for all of you.
You see, this season in Denver Broncos football is a lot like Mile High Report: slow starts are met by ever greater winning streaks, discord rarely degenerates into strife and always results in greater unity and harmony, and the future is somehow always brighter than the shining past. Now that the Josh McDaniels Era in which I was so heavily invested can be looked back upon as just another link in the solid chain that is Broncos history (rather than a Dark Age or black spot on our record), I feel free to return to MHR and share in the spoils with you all. After all, we are all Broncos fans, and there is no better place for any of us to be than right here, together. Go Broncos!
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Hey EJ what up brother, glad to see you back man!
"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow
Thanks, Man!
About your tagline: I heard that Colorado was changing its timezone from Mountain Time to Tebow Time! ;)
Erras.
But Tebow insists it should be Bronco time
You know, it’s that whole team player thing and all.
"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow
wrong again
Tebow insists it becomes Lord and Savior… then Bronco time… in that order. ;-P
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
What you mean again Pale???
As far as you’re concerned this is the first time ever:)
"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow
;-) HaHa!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 13, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
What I missed most my friend was your level headedness!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
Right Back At Ya!
Good chatting it up with you on Twitter recently; look forward to continuing our conversation back over here, too!
Erras.
always my friend
we were on the same line of thinking with most things early on. I disappeared too so i understand!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 12, 2012 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
Welcome back!
Good time to be here. Shock the World Part 2 is this Saturday. Good to have all the Bronco faithful here to enjoy it!!
I figured you were being held in Gitmo for being a McD supporter.
I hear the waterboarding is to die for out there.
Am I reading this wrong?
You are back because…
“Now that the Josh McDaniels Era in which I was so heavily invested can be looked back upon as just another link in the solid chain that is Broncos history (rather than a Dark Age or black spot on our record), I feel free to return to MHR and share in the spoils with you all. "
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
No, that's why he left
LoL
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jan 12, 2012 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
just confused
seems kind of weak but whatever…. Welcome back
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
He might have emphasized the specific reasoning
to be a bit more…. evident, I suppose.
But yeah, what I think he’s basically saying, is he liked the way the team was headed, then McDaniels got canned, and anyone who didn’t hate McDaniels was not very popular around here, and he was happy to avoid any undeserved vitriol. But now the spoils of the McDaniels era (Tebow, Thomas, Beadles, Walton, etc.) are a large part of the reasons We’re successful, and he’d rather be back in the fold, truly with Us, than just being a ‘casual observer’ aka reading MHR and not contributing. Though I could be way off base there.
I just got a kick out of you asking if that’s why he’s back… Yet he implied the reason he’s back, is the same reason he left.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jan 12, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
glad I could humor you… HA!
Still seems weak, he could have left that last part out.
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
Hey EJ
At the greatest Broncos site to exist, besides db.com, We can never have too many fans. Especially ones with level heads, and the ability to write with competence and help the cohesiveness of the site, with one’s diligent thoughts, observations and opinion!
There are an astoundingly large amount of writers here that should seriously be getting paid to write the stuff they do. Especially when compared to some of the people in the mainstream that actually do get (very) decent pay to do so, and do it less grace/style/skill/intelligence.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jan 12, 2012 3:19 PM MST reply actions
Cheers To That!
MHR has always had an embarrassment of riches when it comes to writers, both on the front page and in the FanPosts.
Erras.
Welcome back EJ.
Looking forward to reading your take on the Broncos in the near future. Your absence was noticed.
"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Jan 12, 2012 3:27 PM MST reply actions
Ultimately the battle is never without. It is ALWAYS within, if you want peace with yourself.
Welcome back EJ. Time and study has taught me the only person that HAS to feel bad when I judge is me. Don’t judge yourself too harshly cuz this writer won’t/hasn’t.
Looking forward to your posts and thoughts about where this franchise is headed. IMOP we are headed in a very solid direction. The funny thing is I believe we’re seeing some of the personnel mismatches that McDaniels espoused, a bit early in the curve but none the less brilliant. Who know, maybe some of his ideas lived on and are manifesting it the Broncos as we speak. All I know is I like what I’m seeing.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
Many Thanks!
I agree that we’re headed in the right direction, and it’s scary how much better this team can still get!
Erras.
I always wondered what happened to you.
I remember you were the first person I read who predicted that we’d draft Knowshon with the twelfth pick in the draft.
Although I hated the idea and I hated the pick, I was always impressed that you correctly predicted the Broncos’ plans.
Anyway, welcome back!
Truth shall be known.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 12, 2012 3:55 PM MST reply actions
I was a staunch McD supporter as well
but I now see that McD, the coach at least, has definitely been upgraded. I always was high on the talent he brought in…. minus that entire 2009 2nd round.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Fair Enough.
I think we learned a valuable lesson in giving time time, so to speak. Glad we’ve salvage so much from that time of struggle.
Erras.
the main issue that's finally been fixed
is the delegation of power. If McD stayed and Elway was still given the VP position, I think you’d see similar success as we’re seeing now. McD, or anyone for that matter, should never wear every hat for a football organization. It rarely works, if at all these days. Poor Washington.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I think MCD would have been fired, if he stayed. Elway would have wanted his guy.
Glad we got fox. We beat the guy up alot because of his play-calling and such, but he helped turn this 4-12 team into a playoff team
by Scotty Payne on Jan 12, 2012 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
Probably Right.
Changing the head coach is a bit of a right of passage of incoming GMs now, so I suppose McD would have been out regardless, but a hypothetical scenario in which he would relinquish GM powers could have salvaged him, but that’s all water on under the bridge as far as I’m concerned.
Erras.
McJedi was fired for his role in video taping the 49ers, trying to cover it up and having several folks on his staff rat him out to Bowlen as well as rat him out to reporters like Glazer, Silver, Paige and others. His assistants willingly ratted out McJedi because they didn’t like him. Then Champ Bailey came out against Josh McJedi. All four wheels have long since fallen off his bandwagon and it burned to the ground in flames.
His era is still and always will be a dark one or black spot on our record.
Then he doubled down pain on St Louis and left several black spot on Bradford and that franchise.
- overall picks left in his wake.
Fortunately, McJedi’s 2010 draft was much better than his 2009 draft. Also fortunate, John Fox is a much better head coach that hired much better support staff.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
by McGeorge on Jan 12, 2012 3:59 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
EVERYONE has to admit...McD did some good things AND some bad things. He just wasn't ready to be a head coach.
The video taping thing was pretty much the last straw for Bowlen and the fans. I found myself trying to defend him, but it was embarrassing. I would have preferred Bowlen to wait until the end of the year to fire McD, but either way hes gone and its over. We all need to move on(which is what EJ’s post I think is all about.)
by alkatraz76 on Jan 12, 2012 4:43 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
McGeorge!
How I’ve missed you, my friend! Personally, I think McD was doomed from the start, following a very popular and prolific living legend and shedding equally popular and prolific stars. Glad it’s past us now, though…
Erras.
Welcome back and what’s up EJ.
Like you, I felt Shanny should have been fired after the 2007 season. I think the majority of Bronco fans were ready to move on from Mike after he was really let go a year later. I also don’t think Cutler was ever beloved as Denver’s QB. We liked him and saw potential, but he hadn’t achieved anything yet and fans were still cautions on him. So no Josh wasn’t doomed from the start, a victim of bad luck or done dirty by the MSM.
Nope. McJedi doomed himself with bad personnel decisions, bad coaching hires, a bad attitude towards communicating with EVERYONE, bad job handling relationships with his staff (see Nolan), he did a bad job managing the control he was given (that one is certainly Bowlen’s ultimate fault) and Josh simply didn’t treat people well in his time in Denver. Xanders, Bailey, Klis, McCoy, Elway and several others publicly throwing Josh under the bus made it beyond clear Josh wasn’t liked at Dove Valley. Just feared. If Josh learned anything in his time with Denver, it’s that proficiency with X’s and O’s isn’t enough to be a successful HC.
Josh McDaniels failed himself and has only himself to blame for how things transpired in Denver.
Seeing his failure in St Louis one year later really calls into question his true coaching abilities.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
McD.
I really don’t want to get into McDaniels because, well, his turn in Denver is over and I think we’ve all gotten the distance we need from him. I agree that, ultimately, he failed as the head coach slash general manager of the Broncos. He did more than enough bad to justify that belief. I just happen to think that some good came out of all that, and since that’s all we have going forward, that’s what I choose to hang on to. I look forward to our spirited debates, my friend: you’re one of the good ones!
Erras.
I never have been and never will be comfortable with the “Josh was doomed from day one crowd”. It runs along the same line as those that blame the fans for Orton’s failure to find success in Denver.
To suggest that McJedi was doomed by key injuries and/or a nasty and unrelenting MSM serve as very poor excuses that mask the fact that kid McCoach just couldn’t coach. Josh McDaniels coaching was, far and away, his biggest deficiency.
I’d gladly say Josh was a better GM than coach during his brief stint in Denver. That is not a compliment for McJedi (it’s like saying Tampa Bay is better than St Louis in 2011), but it is the truth. People incorrectly say McJedi the GM got McJedi the coach fired.
No… actually McJedi the football coach got McJedi the GM fired. That he was also busted for cheating is like a 2nd black eye.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Josh did get our secondary rolling his first year
but it, and the pass rush didn’t even matter cause the run D was so pitiful after those 6-8 games. Everyone has to admit though…. after we beat the Pats… a fist-pumping son was born unto Broncos Country.
Why not?
Good moves by MCD:
Tebow, DT, Colquitt, Decker, Bruton, Goodman, Dawkins, Hill (first year), promoting Haggan, if you ask me…. Ayers, Buckhalter (his first year), hiring Nolan ~ Gase ~ McCoy ~ Studesville ~ Barone ~ Nunnely, trading B Marsh, trading Cutler (the goal all along was to give the keys to Tebow), and probably some more I am forgetting here.
Bad Moves: A ton!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
McD did good things
but his scandal overshadows all that, McGahee has been great for us, sans his fumble last week, he’ll make up for it against the Pats
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure this is what you mean, and if not, sorry
but EFX brought in McGahee cause Studesville vouched for him and had worked with him before in Buffalo. If we don’t draft a RB, I could see us taking a similar course with Marshawn Lynch, whom Studes worked with at Buffalo as well.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
EFX brought in Willie Mac.... not McD.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
that is what I meant
Freudian slip, thanks for the catch! You see, even we copy editors make mistakes, I am reely guhd aht spehling
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
Why is it that Josh McDaniels supporters always say "lets just move on" when the negatives
about Josh McDaniels are brought up. It never, ever fails and I don’t like it. I also don’t like using the words ‘never’ and ‘always’ but they are very useful in this situation.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Jan 13, 2012 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
Back in 2009, I said Prater sucks and we should cut him based on how he fell apart at the end of the 2008 season.
Guess what, I was wrong. Prater doesn’t suck, he’s actually really good. I’m glad Denver didn’t listen to me.
Some people have a harder time saying “I was wrong” than others. Trying to obtain a compromise on McJedi is a cop-out. The truth is, Josh did a horrible job as our Head Coach. The record bared that out. We got nothing but worse during his tenure.
There is nothing wrong with supporting your head coach and wanting him to thrive. I don’t fault EJ and the majority of MHR for their passion to see McJedi succeed. Would have been great for us if Josh had. But the fact is, he didn’t thrive. He was awful.
No one is right all the time. Sometimes we are really wrong about things. That is Josh McJedi and MHR from March 2009 until he was fired in late 2010.
I actually enjoy the freedom of admitting I am wrong about certain things. It proves I’m completely human and completely flawed.
EJ, you were 100% wrong about McJedi. And I do not at all hold any of that against you. You’re still an awesome Bronco fan and have a depth of football knowledge that surpasses most (mine included).
Go Broncos.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Awww!
I appreciate the compliment, though I disagree that I know any more about football than you! I’ve been wrong about a lot of things, and like you I wear my ability to acknowledge those instances as a badge of honor. I was wrong about McD in the way that mattered most (that he’d lead the Broncos to ultimate success) but still embrace some of the things he did in Denver that persist to this day and should aid in achieving that ultimate success down the road. That’s just where I am right now, I guess…
Erras.
how about Mr. Bowlen saying
I was wrong by not giving Fox the authority he gave McScumbag….
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Josh McDaniels the head of football operations did indeed turn out sucky
BUT…. if Josh was just allowed to coach the offense (kind of like old Norvell in SD), and have some say in the recruiting / drafting process… I think he succeeds as a HC. As it turns out though, I blame Mr. B and Joe Ellis WAY more than McD for the failures cause only an idiot would divvy out that much power to one man… let alone a 33 year old rookie HC.
Having said that, Spygate 2.0 was a travesty, and if Fox, Elway, anyone does something like that, they deserve the axe too. All I’m saying is, McD’s draft picks (along with some of Shanny’s – some of EFX’s) have laid the foundation for what I believe is a good, playoff caliber team.
It’s sort of the same deal in KC. Herm Edwards was vilified, but without his drafting, that team is much worse off.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 13, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps, but I was shockingly disappointed in McJedi’s coaching. As I said to EJ. I think it’s a flat out lie to say McJedi the GM got McJedi the coach fired.
If anything, it was the other way around. McJedi’s coaching was the travesty. I’ve never seen a mentally weaker team, one that lacked complete discipline and with so few young players improving. It was regression all the way under McJedi.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
He shouldnt be allowed anywhere near our offense
He ruined an offense over in STL that had Bradford and Stephen Jackson
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I'm tired of 'fans' putting Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow above the Broncos
as far as their allegiances is concerned. We’ve both been reading for several years now how folks have to quit, take a break, re-think and question their allegiance to the Broncos because Josh McDaniels was fired and Tim Tebow was not handed the starting QB job?
A lot of these same people actually promote the thought that John Elway does not have the Broncos best interests in mind because he didn’t hand the starting job to Tebow this year. Elway, a man that has dedicated his life to bettering the Broncos and has been a quality citizen of our great city for nearly 30 years.
These people are also the people that openly and without question promoted and gladly accepted and outsider like Josh McDaniels into the house and enjoyed watching him destroy the Broncos as a team and organization. Not to mention that they enjoyed how he looked down his nose at us and would take him back today if they could. There are ‘Bronco Fans’ in here that marveled at how McDaniels and Blechick destroyed the Bronocs on Saturday. Some thought to themselves and may have even said it out loud “see how good McDaniels is”? “I sure wish we had him back”.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
OK...
Josh McDaniels failed as the head coach slash general manager of the Denver Broncos. He did enough bad to justify that statement. But he also did some good things for this franchise. Since he’s gone, but the good things he left are still in place, I choose to embrace that. Is that not fair?
Erras.
that is your prerogative
however, as for me, his scandal overshadows everything else. Jim Rome mocked me on his national radio show by derisively reading my Tweet on the matter (he did read my Tweet though :), but that’s how I feel about it
Brad James
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
That is very fair
and it would be foolish not to. To say that everything Josh did is terrible, is biased and blatantly refusing to give credit where credit is due. Hell…. Tim Tebow alone is worth about 5 drafts worth of athletes.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Yes
I am not the a-hole at my work environment, but I work around him so trust me, whenever something goes amiss, you magnify it and do all you can to flush out that piece of crap. McGeorge is right, McDaniels dug his own grave and his enemies, which were numerous, pushed him further into the ground.
Brad James
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
Hi EJ
Welcome back! I don’t know you, but I appreciate the intelligence in your writing.
I don’t agree with you that McDaniels wasn’t still a “Dark Age” for the Broncos; he may have put the pieces in place, but his approach to deploy said pieces as part of a team was atrocious at best. In his Hoodie, Jr. mindset, there is no chance that Tebow would’ve been utilized the way he has been this season. It took Fox and Dennis Allen to create the identity for this team, and we’re lucky that some of the pieces McDaniel’s put in place worked out — and even then, it took major adjustments on both sides of the ball to undo the damage McDaniels left behind.
That being said, we can agree to disagree, and I look forward to future postings!
Nice To Meet You!
I can already tell that we’ll get along just fun, even when we disagree! Good to meet you!
Erras.
Welcome back EJ.
You haven’t missed much………………..
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I never want anyone on MHR
Accusing Patriots fans of being “bandwagon” ever, ever again.
Especially you, Broncoman.
Can I Scream?
Are you even kidding?
The Patriots have the most over-reaching accumulation of bandwagon fans in the NFL. Moreso than Dallas and Pittsburgh. It is pretty lame honestly…Broncos Country has always been loud and proud…most of us were here before our team was winning Superbowls and have been here ever since.
The pats have only been embraced because of recent titles. They don’t come close the the thickness of roots that the Broncos have in their fan base.
Your dig at one of ours isn’t appreciated. You don’t even know the story or the poster. So take your patsy @$$ back to your blog and pound sand.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
by sadaraine on Jan 12, 2012 5:06 PM MST up reply actions 8 recs
I respect the Steelers organization
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
oddly enough
I respect Mr. Kraft, he and Mara of the Giants really helped the lockout to end, but everyone else in the Pats’ hierarchy is scum
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
This will make many of you like me much less, but I actually root for the Cowboys as my favorite NFC team. Them and the Saints and the Bucs.
There, I said it.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Saints, Falcons
and Lions, for me, I’m sure that pissed someone off
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Brees is my favorite NFC QB
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Jan 13, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
Hear hear +1
What a douche.
by Mile High ThundaDownUnda on Jan 12, 2012 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
That should make ya green!
" Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked" -Psalm 1
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by JohnCalvinKnox on Jan 12, 2012 11:42 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks!
We might disagree with each other, but we’re not about to let some outsider take shots at any of us: Ha! I got your back, too, sadaraine!
Erras.
Yeah...just classless to come on another team's blog and throw trash like that at one of ours.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
for sure
in the Pat Patriot era, I knew 1 New England Patriots fan in my life, fast forward to 2003, everyone loves them
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
The Broncos, Packers, Steelers
and ugh, Cowgirls, as well as the Dolphins and Vikings, are the top teams in terms of win/loss percentage since the merger, I believe, the Faiders too (:, but where are the Pats on this list?
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
I second what Sadaraine said.
You’re kidding right? All the Pats “fans” I know are bandwagon fans.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
All the Pats fans you know care more about a Red Sox game in May than a Pat playoff game.
Anyone that puts baseball above football should never talk about the NFL. Ever.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
by McGeorge on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Thats exactly why
Pats fans can tell you all about any kind of stat, but they fail to understand basic football concepts. Their arrogance and lack of basic knowledge is second only to the Raiders. Oh how I am begining to loath them!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
by CH74 on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And now it all makes sense...
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
THIS THIS THIS
I guess that’s why Pats “fans” aggravate me so, Bena had a dang good Tweet earlier this morning echoing your sentiments
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
What has this post got to do with being a bandwagon fan?
He didn’t participate in this blog! I did not see one word about not following the team. Get a grip.
Go Broncos!
2011 AFC West Champions
You were not here for enough of the history
to express a legitimate opinion, Adam. I have recently pulled out not due to not backing the Broncos in adversity, but being irritated at the tone of MHR’s reaction to it. Never missed a snap, never wavered in support of the team. Your “bandwagon” statement is off base and I believe you should retract it.
All week long
All we’ve heard at Pats Pulpit is how Patriots fans are bandwagoners. You’re right, I don’t know the history behind this particular poster, but the timing seemed odd to suddenly come back into the fray after criticizing and backing away from the team in the past.
I’ll retract it as soon as some of these guys retract the crap they’ve been tossing at us all week. 99% of the posters on Pats Pulpit have ties to the New England region and have been fans most of their lives. It is insulting to talk football all week with you guys and have folks like Broncoman and others accuse us of being bandwagoners. It’s kind of a slap in the face, so I figured I’d give you a taste of your own medicine. You can read my profile and see how long I’ve been a fan, but of course, I wouldn’t expect that to penetrate the group think that permeates this site.
Go over on PP and humor yourselves. Not one person on there is criticizing the Broncos fan base, or the team, outside of basic competitive football talk. Go on here, there are hundreds of posts accusing the Patriots of cheating, sucking, and having an illegitimate fan base.
Can I Scream?
You think thats bad?
How about hearing your QB is complete shit all year, also how we will lose every game that was played, Getting no credit for making the playoffs(though we did back in), Getting no chance against the mighty steelers, having Merril Hoges smug grin on tv bashing tebow weekly, Skip Bayliss, and now getting no chance to beat the patriots by so called experts. You think you have it bad?
Now, you’re whining because we’re pointing out that your fan base is full of bandwagoners? Sorry it’s true. It’s what happens when your team wins multiple super bowls. Hell we have bandwagon fans or more commonly known as “Tebow Fans”
So don’t get too hurt. We’re just a fisty bunch.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 PM MST up reply actions
Or a pretty boy QB who all the girls love.
Oh we got that too now. And yes the bandwagoners have come in bunches to the Broncos lately. All there for our hunky QB.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I put this up on another thread recently
Since when do two wrongs make a right?
Go Broncos!
2011 AFC West Champions
You want some cheese to go with that?
Just because you have some people troll your site doesn’t mean you should come troll ours. Have some respect for yourself if not us.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Bandwagon
suggests he (and I) were only Bronco fans because we won….What EJ describes is simply not posting on the site because he was put off by the tone of the site at that moment, NOT that he follows the Broncos only because they are winning (First you have to win for that to happen). I am unaware of what Broncoman and others are saying on your site, and if any have been off-base, I apologize. However, you are off-base calling out MHR because of a post by EJ.
As for the group-think and permeation, I actually understand what you are saying, but (without checking your site) I doubt PP is any better……Nature of the beast. Thin skin?
OMG
Pats fans are the defination of the ultimate bandwagoners, maybe only cownoy fans deserve that more, however, ask most people from New England and they will tell you that the Sox come first, Celtics second and Bruins/Pats 3rd or 4th. It is a baseball town first and foremost, the only reason that place sells out is due to their recent success, once Brady retires and they become medicore, I guareetee that that Stadium will be half full in two years.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
haha
way to stir the shit up Broncoman. Tebow bless you/
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 12, 2012 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
Patriot fans are bandwagon fans!
what now?! =)
by Scotty Payne on Jan 12, 2012 8:05 PM MST up reply actions
Hey
GTFO
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 12, 2012 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
Hey EJ
Your man Tebow isn’t such a bad pick after all. LOL.
One thing you missed is a lot of arguing. Oh wait you said you still came and hung out so you saw all that.
Back for the mock drafts huh.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
Hope your ankle didn't get twisted jumping back on the bandwagon
So your reason for leaving was everyone had realized what a dumbass McD was so that angered you to quit because they fired your “coach”, I suggest you go join the Pats bandwagon so you can hang out with fellow McD supporters, this is the Broncos Country.
Any one who would characterize that the McD era was a solid link in the chain, really needs to check reality. I love the delusion that McD supporters still live under, that somehow he was a good coach and somehow he would of made the Broncos better, even though all the evidence has shown that he was arguably one if not the worst Bronco coach in the past 40 years. Anyone who would defend that man after videotaping BS and the Raider game beat down, really is dilusional.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I like your style Broncoman
May not agree with everything you say but like your in your face humour and point of view.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
You're looking for a NHL team to cheer for with limited championships and good young stars.
Look no further than the Ottawa Senators, 0 Stanley Cups and their stars are young: Erik Karlsson(D) and Jason Spezza©.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
I like the Pens in hockey
but I don’t have a problem with Canada’s capital city having a great team because Canadians love hockey the way we love football, generally, TDot Bronco and Alberta Bronco are obviously passionate football guys!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
Nice...
Good to see you haven’t changed much, Broncoman. I appreciate the suggestion that I should go root for the Pats, but I think I’ll stay right here. I was a Broncos fan before McD, during McD, and after McD. I took a break from posting on the site because I didn’t want to feed into the negativity that had taken over. I’ll refrain from getting into it further, and from commenting on your tone and attitude. Go Broncos!
Erras.
ej...
even though McD’s firing didn’t phaze me in the slightest, I too refrained from posting here for a while because of all the fighting (I was guilty too) and negativity. When BFSD was on his throne here…. it was the worst time I’ve ever seen this site go through. I’m glad that no one is allowed to purposely incite angry reactions like he did anymore.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
horrendous communication skills
among other things, if you listen to the Denver media, no one ever has a nice thing to say about McDaniels. Contrast that with Wade Phillips, who was also a sucky coach, but a good person. Just saying
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
Am I the only one...
…who finds it funny that someone writes an entire, large post about themselves and then posts a poll about themselves? Really?
…who finds that people actually base real life actions around what occurs on MHR? Really?
…if you have a thought about the Broncos, post it. If people disagree and argue with you, so what? Argument is the only way to actually get at anything worth knowing anyway. Strife? Discord? Really?
…Strife and discord is genocide in Rwanda.
Clearly I am missing something.
Go Broncos.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 12, 2012 6:50 PM MST reply actions
I disagree and argue with you on a regular basis, but that doesn't meant I don't love you brother...
We’re all fans of a common bond…The Denver Broncos, and when one hurts, I hurt, when one cries, I cry with them, when one shouts out in joy, I shout with them. That’s who I am…A Broncos fanatic.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
by bfree2bronc on Jan 12, 2012 6:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
People Do Say I'm Funny...
Maybe I take myself too seriously, or care too much about the people with whom I interact… anyway, the football post will be coming and the fun arguments will surely follow: I hope you’ll chime in then, too!
Erras.
There you go...
fun arguments, that’s what I’m talking about. Have an opinion. Express it. Defend it…..and if you’re smart, change your opinion based on what you learn from the other side.
Good stuff…..
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
Working On Something.
I don’t like carpet-bombing the FanPost section and I don’t like rushing anything to publish (which I did this time, because this was an emotional introspective piece and an unexpected return) so it might not be right away, but I’m working on a post about the spread option in theory that I’m sure will spark some lively debate: hope you check it out!
Erras.
Welcome back EJ and I was a little concerned with your sudden disappearence...
Heck, I thought maybe McDaniels kidnapped you off to the Rams…
I too shared youy view that Shanahan needed to be let go, his time was up in Denver and mostly his fault imo. The hiring of McD was a new direction and one that was needed and I too was never a fan of Cutler and his pouting antics or his moping. As for BMarsh, I was hoping better of him, but he kept insisting he needed to go so be it then. McDaniels was really hobbled with the first draft and made a couple of bad decisions, so I didn’t hold it against him and figured he would have a much better one the 2nd time around. In which he did imo. What shocked me was when he was fired just after a week when owner Pat Bowlen stated that he would be given one more year. I thought that press conferrence was fishy and now we all know. John Elway carries more clout than we could ever of of amagined. I’m glad though because the team seems more comfortable with the new regime.
I guess I’m in the minority of out guessing the media’s charge that Tebow wouldn’t be our quarterback of the future, and why shouldn’t they be right, John Fox and Elway never had anything to do with getting Tebow, that was McD’s pet project. Currently I’m surprised at where the Broncos are but not shocked. I can’t wait until the offseason comes and new faces are added to the mix. The Broncos future looks bright in my eyes, but who am I? Just a fan who loves the Broncos…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
You and Me Both!
Looks like we see pretty eye to eye, which is nice! I can’t wait to see if that extends to our off-season plans!
Erras.
If you read about the Spygate II scandal with the 49er game, it’s very clear most of those in the NFL believe Josh was intimately involved in deciding to tape the 49ers, that he watched said tape and he tried to cover his a** afterwards.
No one seems to believes McJedi’s version of the story. McJedi’s recap of that event is the fishy smell.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
plus
that was last year when we and the Niners both sucked.
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Hey EJ!
was wondering what happened to all the people that contributed alot when i joined almost 2 years ago!
Your an old fart dude! LOL...
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
like who?
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 12, 2012 9:17 PM MST up reply actions
A minority perspective
Have no idea of your prior role on the site but this post was fairly egocentric as seen by the number of “I’s” and the tendency to describe external realities in terms of subjective internal biases and feelings. The most interesting posts here do first rates assessments of the last game, analyze offensive line play, pull together great videos of the most recent games and inform of about potential draft targets coming up.
Thanks for the Voucher
I’ll try to live up to it, my friend!
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 12, 2012 10:39 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Well that was kind of the point NZ.
EJ writes some very good analysis as well. I’m sure he’s enthralled with your welcome though!
"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow
My Mistake
I think my approach was a little off with this piece: blame it on rust! I promise my best football stuff from here on out and look forward to discuss it with you in the future!
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Welcome back, EJ!
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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Thanks, My Friend!
Good to be back!
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Thanks for coming back, EJ.
I hate to see anyone leave for reasons like that.
My PLeasure.
It would have been sad to leave on a sour note…
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Good hearing from you again EJ
My memory may be fading, but I could have sworn you were with MHR prior to affiliation with SBNation. I remember we agreed on most issues until it came to Josh. I never cared for him and you did. It is good to hear from you again. I always appreciated your perspectives and opinions, even if I did not always agree. You are a thorough analyist and I look forward to your contributions.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
I Do Believe You Might Be Right...
You know, that’s all so way back now that I can’t remember all the details, so you might be right in that I was a part of MHR before it was a part of SB Nation! It’s good to see someone veteran enough to remind me of that! By the way, love the tag lines!
Erras.
Welcome back ej
I have been a reader of MHR since 2007 (and an occassional poster/commenter since 2009) having grown oh-so-tired of the denver post boards at the time. It’s great seeing some of the old names still floating around and even a few who I thought had gone forever returning. So welcome back!
For any newer members keen on some earlier MHR articles can I suggest you look up the MHR University series. That stuff is truly wonderful and never gets old. And for foreigners like myself a great insight into the x and o ’s of football.
Sorry to have used your post to plug other content ej! I’m sure we can agree that it feels as though some of the magic is returning to our Broncos after a very difficult few years (touch wood)
No Prob!
You can always use anything of mine to plug any of that good stuff in MHR’s illustrious history. MHR University was one of the best series I’ve ever seen anywhere and everyone should take the time to check it out if they haven’t already. Heck, even if you have and it’s been a while, go back and look at it again. Thanks for the welcome back!
Erras.
Hey EJ!
I’m glad to see that you are back. Not sure if you remember me, but I certainly remember you. I think I argued with you about your draft thread when you had us picking Moreno. Well, not arguing, I don’t know enough about these players to argue, just not liking the pick. :)
I think I have good ideas sometimes. I just suck at communicating them.
I Do!
Though you certainly had more guys on your side of that argument than I did, and you turned out to be right! I still think that Knowshon is a great talent, but his durability is shot now. Maybe he can be an effective 3rd down back somewhere in the right scheme…
Erras.
When Moreno is healthy
we should hire a hypnotist to tell him, Knowshon, you are getting very sleepy, you will visualize playing at Arrowhead Stadium every week….
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 13, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Hey EJ!
I don’t know you, but welcom back!!
Look forward to seeing you around MHR :)
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Welcome Back EJ
I am relatively new here at MHR, but I signed up for a lot of the same reasons. It’s hard for a Broncos fan to be even keeled on the subject of McDaniels, it was a rough stretch. He did far more good than bad in his coaching role, but some of his picks have been an integral part of this teams success this season. It is never as black and white as we like to look at it, theres always shades of gray.
I’m glad you decided to come back and contribute and I look forward to reading your stuff! GO BRONCOS!!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Is EJ a fair weather fan?
Let’s try to answer that question. As a group.
Josh McDaniels was the wrong guy for the job in 2008. Love him or hate him that is undeniable. Hire a mature defensive minded HC and Elway to fix the defense and properly raise the core of talented young offensive players and that Broncos team becomes a dynasty.
Although I knew that hiring Josh McDaniels was the worst decision that Pat Bowlen had made in his life up to that point I never stopped being a Broncos fan and I never ever stopped hoping that Josh McDaniels would quickly be fired. Therefore I am not a bandwagon or fair weather Broncos fan. I was, am and always will be a Broncos fan. I was never a Josh McDaniels fan. He was and is an arrogant, mis-guided, selfish and immature young man that obviously did not give a good God damn about the Broncos organization, it’s players or it’s fans. Honestly I struggle to see how a Bronco fan could not see through that glass man.
A couple corrections to your WB post. The 2008 Broncos were not decaying. It just so happens that the team sported one of the most productive young offenses in league history. And fielded one of the most productive and talented young QB’s in recent memory to include a better two year star then most if not all HoSers and current ‘elite’ QBs. Not to mention a young WR that was second only to the GOAT in terms of production to start his career.
The fans that were clamoring for Tim Tebow to be handed the starting QB job were not the same fans rightfully calling for Josh McDaniels to be fired. In fact it was the exact opposite. Tim Tebow was all that the Josh McDaniels faithful had to hold onto so they made up a large part of the party making the most noise….along with several thousands of girls.
Honestly, it sounds to me that you, like many among us, for some God for shaken unknown reason put your allegiance to Josh McDaniels ahead of the Denver Broncos. Hence the hiatus. Just like some here took a hiatus when Tebow was not handed the starting QB job. There are folks reading that considered flushing 40yrs of fandom down the toilet for Josh McDaniels and or Tim Tebow. It’s pathetic. This may or may not be how you felt but there are those reading this that took that unthinkable road and should not be welcomed back.
So if you remained a Broncos fan while sulking over the tragic loss of Josh McDaniels then by all means….. Welcome back. But if you or any of you questioned your faith in the Broncos because of Tim Tebow or Josh McDaniels….you don’t belong here.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
To Each Their Own.
You have your way of viewing things and I have mine. I’d rather not get into this because I know how these discussions go, so I’ll just say this: I never stopped rooting for the Broncos, and likely never will. I take issue with some thing they do and don’t do, which I think is fair.
Erras.
Fair enough. I take issue with some of the things they do too.
We all do. Well at least those that aren’t sheep do. The Broncos organization has made some huge mistakes in the past and I’ve stuck with them. Like the decision to keep Dan Reeves too long which almost ruined Elways career and the decision to keep Mike Shannahan too long or at least the decision to not make him build a decent defense to complement that 2008 core of talented young offensive players. When I get the feeling that it’s more about Josh McDaniels and or Tim Tebow rather then about the Broncos, it bugs me.
Anyway, welcome back. It should be a very interesting and very important off season. How do you see the offense shaping up for next year? Do the Broncs stick with the option based system? Do they deploy a hybrid? Or do they try to force Tebow into passing from the pocket? All good questions because they will have to hire players that can do them all.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 PM MST up reply actions

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