Bill Bellichick and his "different looks"
ESPN has stated all week, that Belichick will not allow Tim Tebow the same success in the passing game this week as he did last week. Which is entirely possible, however there is one thing I do not understand and maybe some of you guys can help me!
The Denver Broncos have the best running game (ypg) in the NFL, and that's including the first 4.5 weeks that we had with Kyle Orton. Once Tebow took over, this offense is rushing for nearly 200 yards a game. How do you stop this? Stack the box with 8 or 9 like Pittsburgh did, and Denver only ran for 131, but that took ALOT of carries to get there. So they did a fairly effective job of stopping the run. However to stop the run, the #1 Defense in the NFL had to consistently put 8 or 9 in the box, and once Denver started running out of Shotgun, they were getting a minimum of 3 ypc.
The problem of course is when you stack the box, is it leaves you only with 2 options in pass defense, a; basic, easy to read, cover 3. OR you play man to man. This killed Pittsburgh, as they were beat over the top time after time. They could not stop the Broncos passing attack, in man to man coverage (Tebow to DT for a TD) or cover 3 (Tebow to Royal for a TD). Tebow only needed 10 completions to throw for 316 yards.
How is Belichick, going to bring "exotic looks" if he has to stack the box with 8 guys? He can't! unless you let the Patriots play with 12 guys on defense! He either stops the run with 8 in the box, and risks Tebow going over the top, on a suspect Patriots secondary, or you do your, "confuzing zones" with less than 8 in the box, and then Tebow at the line says, "KILL KILL" which means change to run, and then he gives it to McGahee for a 7 yard cary. No one has been able to stop Denver w/ less than 8 in the box, it's not possible, too many weapons. Tebow adds that weapon that must be accounted for TWICE. He must be accounted as a runner, which means 8 in the box, and a Passer, who he proved last week, can beat man to man and simple cover 3.
If someone can explain to me how the Patriots will be able to stop the run and pass, while having the 31st ranked defense, that would be great.
GB²
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They cant and didnt last time we played
Only when McGahee went down did they stop stacking the box and forced Tim to test his arm and he couldnt keep up. I think offensivly we wont have any problems as long as we dont fumble the ball.
completely forgot about mcgahees injury
he doesnt get hurt, they may run for 300 in that game
by Tony Astorino on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
They got close to 300 with him out!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
McCoy will try and keep them honest with the run first...
The passing lanes will open up as safeties cheat up for the run. Jerimiah Johnson had a nice run as well as Lance Ball…Ball’s fumble hurt us badly and let’s hope there won’t be any mistakes this week…
Not looking past this game with the Patriots, but how sweet would it be to go to Baltimore and face the Raven’s who have stated they don’t need God on their side. Mocking Tebow and God at the same time…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
id love to see the texans
if we can by the pats…I think we make the super bowl. I’m just hoping the Giants and Niners win
by Scotty Payne on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
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We know that coach Belichick will better prepare the Pats for the Denver run attack this time around and with Spikes & Chung back in the lineup, you will not see a repeat of the first quarter run-fest enjoyed by the Broncos in week 15. New England will try to force Tebow into throwing the ball and they’ll try to keep those throws in the short to intermediate range – passes that require a level of skill that remains elusive to Tebow. Belichick knows that when Tebow throws the football, he misses his targets at least half the time and its this kind of a weakness that BB endeavers to exploit in an opponent.
Denver will have to score a lot to keep up with New England and so the outcome of this game basically comes down to the left arm of Tim Tebow. If he can somehow go 20 of 30 tomorrow – the Broncos have shot.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
6/10 150 yards is all we need.
300 yard rushing game will take care of the rest. ;)
Not that simple
Even when Spikes and Chung were in the lineup, the Patriots still had one the worst defenses in the league, so you’re assuming that their mere presence alone will so stymie the Denver rushing attack that Belicheck’s presumed plan regarding forcing Tebow into uncomfortable throws will work. Why should anyone assume that? Besides, that also takes for granted that the presence of Spikes and Chung plus a suddenly stellar Patriots secondary will “force” Tebow into short and intermediate passes that he supposedly can’t make. Again, why should we think that’s going to happen?
Not to mention that everyone, Belicheck included I’m sure, assumed that Tebow couldn’t make deep passes against the Steelers to win. Until he did. So, in Belicheck’s shoes, I wouldn’t be hanging my hoodie on thinking I know what Tebow “can’t” do. If there’s one thing this season has shown, even with its ups and downs is that Tebow does what he has to, when he has to. And he does it much more often than not.
The Broncos definitely have a shot. More than that, actually. They can win, even if he throws for 50%. What matters is how productive those throws are. The key will be limiting turnovers, eating up the clock and the Denver defense harrassing Brady to within an inch of his life.
by dallasdayone on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
dallas
As I said – maybe Tebow will suddenly start to throw the football with some accuracy – it could happen but, he’ll have to prove it on Sat. night. I would guess that Belichick assumes nothing – I would guess that he believes what he sees. We all watched (in amazement) as the Steelers D played to lose, I doubt very much the Patriots will do the same.
The Broncos have a shot but, if they couldn’t get it done at home, in Mile High, facing a make-shift New England defense and a patchwork offensive line – I don’t see how they can get it done at Gillette, against a better equipped Patriots squad.
The game’s almost here – will the running quarterback be able to beat, the throwing quarterback on his home turf ?? We shall see.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
The Steelers D played to lose?
Stop right there. The Steelers D followed the same game plan that KC and Buff did. Press man coverage and stack the box. Hindsight’s 20/20 right?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Cal
Dick LeBeau’s failed to make adjustments to his original game plan that was obviously not working. Why… I can’t say. Dumb… of course. A good way to lose the football game… you bet. Coach Fox should have awarded him a game ball for Christ’s sake !!
by profootballfan on Jan 14, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
Right, after its all said and done now you question that move
They’re the #1 defense for a reason. Hindsight is 20/20
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Hindsight ?
I sat there and watched that game (cheering on the Broncos btw) and I thought – when in hell are the Steelers gonna start realizing their CB needs help… big help. It never came.
I will admit, McCoy’s call on the first play of OT was a thing of beauty… I still say that LeBeau conspired (w/McCoy) to make that play happen. You guys pay off Dick LeBeau ??
by profootballfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
What a lame response
That was the same gameplan that worked very well for the dolphins, chiefs, jets, bears, bills, chiefs again. Stack the box, press man coverage on receivers and dare him to throw. Im sure that’s why the league’s best defense tried that again. As for the conspiracy theories, get real. These guys are professionals and are trying their damndest to win every single sunday. Maybe you outta try out for the Steelers DC job, you seem to know more than the legendary LeBeau. If you’re gonna come on here and argue defense, please try a little harder than conspiracy theories.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
How do you figure?
To stop the run, the Patsies will have to go single Safety over the top with Chung in the box. That opens up the vertical pass game. Like what defenses have to do with your offense, the Patsies D is going to have to pick it’s poison. There is no way they can simultaneously play the run and the deep ball. Drop Chung out of the box, you get gashed on the ground, put him in the box and Tebow drops one on you deep.
There is no doubt about this: 252 yards rushing in a game means your defense was dominated. That was without our leading rusher for the majority of the game and a gameplan that was tossed out the window after giving up 3 cheap scores. I like your faith in your coach, but it is not likely that he can find a way to take away both aspects of the Denver offense. He is going to have to choose.
The Broncos defense got some stops on the Pats last time when the offense didn’t give them a short field. Couple that with sucessful ball control offense, the Patriots are in for a game. If Denver gives up nothing cheap and nothing deep this time, and they are right in this game.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
CH
If, as you say, the New England defense was dominated by the Broncos in week 15 – how you would describe the Denver defense in the same contest ? How ’bout – the Patriots abused the Denver defense ? I like abused.
Of the three cheap scores (your words) “given up” by Denver (not earned by New England) two were the result of heads-up play by the “dominated” N.E. defense. I’ll agree, Denver has a problem with turnovers but, this fact takes nothing away from the hustle… from the effort shown by the Pats D. The other was a dumb coaching error. If you say it enough, the Broncos might stop turning the ball over but, they may not.
The Broncos defense got some stops on the Pats… when was this ?
It will all come down to this – we know the Patriots will score a ton of points, can the Broncos find a way to outscore them. Simple as that.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
Well they stopped them right before the half
and then Quan Cosby’s fumble happend
by Tony Astorino on Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Tony
…fumble happened ?
Hey – I don’t blame the poor kick returner, the Denver special teams coach should have instructed him to get far, far away from that punt. God knows what this guy (whoever he is) was thinking on that play. In the end, the Pats didn’t need the 3 points but, that dumb move had to contribute to the panic that was surely setting in over on the Bronco sidelines.
You’re right though, the Broncos did force a punt there.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
Quan Cosby.
And yes, you can 100% blame him for losing that.
"..who knows what can happen… the ball is oblong and bounces wierd."
They say the cool is all over me..
Teboner
Jeff Rogers I guess it is – he’s the guy who should have figured out that the half was done (less than a minute left), that trying to field a punt, fairly deep in your own end can only lead to something bad. And, it did.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
The special teams coordinator isnt out their fielding the punt.
"..who knows what can happen… the ball is oblong and bounces wierd."
They say the cool is all over me..
I don't know if it was as meaningless as it looks
That was a Big Fumble, it changes it from a 2 possession game to a 3 possession game in the final score. So if he doesn’t fumble there, Tebow’s 4th Q score makes it a 1 possession instead of a 2 possession. I dont think the Defense believed they could stop Brady the two times they needed to. 1 possession game, maybe they do get the stop, maybe they don’t. We will never know. But I have a feeling, that the defense might have played a little better and forced the stop late.
by Tony Astorino on Jan 13, 2012 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
Brady is going to score his points
and the Pats offense was not given 6 points when the Broncos fumbled, but the field was much shorter because of the fumbles. No one argues the power of the Patriots offense, and when you have 3 turnovers inside your own territory, that means the powerful offense gets extremely short fields, making it unarguably easier to score points. No one in the NFL can get away with 3 turnovers on their side of the field vs New England and get a win. Bottom line is Denver had 3 turnovers on their side of the field. And New England won the game by 3 possessions. the fumbled extra point also netted the Pats an extra point. So Broncos 4 fumbles netted the Patriots +18 points. Quan Cosby won’t be there to help you this time, we fired him already lol.
by Tony Astorino on Jan 13, 2012 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
How else do you explain Quan Cosby's muffed punt?
You can’t get a muffed punt without a stop. New England punted three more times in that game, so yes, the Broncos got some stops. There were also two field goals attempted by New England, one could argue that those were also stops. Thats 6 stops if you are keeping count. If you take out just the muffed punt, the Broncos are still very much in that game because they don’t have to abandon the run. The good news is Quan Cosby landed with the Colts and Eddie Royal never muffs and he has been known for taking them to the house. The Broncos took some lumps on defense, but they also gave New England at least 18 of their 43 points off mental mistakes that aren’t likely to be repeated this week.
Denver has only had a real problem with turnovers in the week 15 matchup and the week sixteen matchup against the Bills, with their current offensive scheme. Part of the recipe for sucess in their six game winning streak was not turning the ball over. These games were the exception, not the rule. If it was a coache’s mistake on the muff, Cosby would still be around, he was banished to the lowly Colts.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
CH
The only mental mistake that’s apparent to me is the coaching error made by Rogers – where do you get 18 points off of mental mistakes made by the Broncos ? You got two forced fumbles created by the Pats D (10 points here) & the punt recovery by New England’s special teams (3 points here) – you wanna call these “mental mistakes” be my guest – where’d you get 18 ? Was the bad snap on the point after attempt – a mental error ? …we’re up to 14 points. Where’s the other 4 points ?
You’re probably right about the Broncos not turning the ball over much, its the penchant for the N.E. defense to cause them, that did Denver in.
Wrong on the player firing – much easier to fire a nonconsequential, special teams player than a coach who probably goes out for beer with John Fox.
Lastly, no I wouldn’t call a field-goal a stop – I call it a scoring play. For me, a stop is a punt, a turnover on downs or, a takeaway.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
Calling any or those fumbles a force is a stretch only a Patsies homer could possibly come up with
I like how you Patriots fans keep deflecting the conversation back to week 15 and refuse to talk about the upcoming game. You’re concerned and it shows, and well you should be. Keep deflecting and hoping for gifts that aren’t coming. The Patriots may win this game, but they aren’t going to walk away with it. This Broncos offense presents two really big problems for your suspect defense that none of you Pulpit boys even want to aknowledge. They just owned the #1 defense in the league, they are just as capable of owning the Patriots D. We have already seen a glimpse of that. Please, don’t give this team any respect, they thrive off it. Wake up PFF, it’s not week 15 anymore, its the Playoffs, here and now, win or go home. This team already sent one team packing because they overlooked them. If this team plays their game, the Patriots could very well make it two in a row.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
CH
Pasties… come on, what grade are you in ?
I saw the plays just as you did – Anderson knocked the ball out of Tebow’s hands and I forget who forced Ball to cough it up What are you insinuating… that Denver intentionly gave up the ball to New England on these two occassions ??
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
No, I am saying if Ball and Tebow use the fundamentals they are taught
Niether of those plays are fumbles. Niether came off of a spectacular play, they were flukey, luck of the bounce plays just like the Cosby muff. To say they were anything but is a stretch.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
What's with the luck thing around here ?
It seems that all not-so-good plays made by the Broncos are a result of (bad) luck. Denver coaches may want to issue a rabbit’s foot to each and every player before tomorrow’s game – be a big help with this bad luck thing.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
Luck of the bounce is a part of the game
Sometimes I think this team needs a whole rabbit and not just a foot! Those plays were not phenominal defensive efforts by any stretch of the imagination. Its not like they were bone crushing hits that freed the ball from the runner or blatant strips. Neither Ball or Tebow had a proper grip on the ball when it came out. The Ball fumble was a heads up play by Brace, but if Lance covers it up in traffic, he gets three yards and the drive goes on. The Tebow fumble, he’s carrying the ball against his shoulder pad for crying out loud! I am pretty sure that wasn’t how he was taught to run the option. The timing of the play is a little off because it looks like Walton snapped the ball about a second too late. Anderson bit hard on the fake and blows contain. Kudos for his recovery and shame on the Broncos for poor execution all the way around. I hope McCoy stored that play in the mental roladex for this week. Anderson could be a liability against the run if he continues to over pursue like that.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Are you deluded?
Recovering fumbles on the opponents 16, 19, and 20 yard line and only getting 13 points (when you were in field goal range at the time of gaining possession) hardly show an offense that dominated the defense. 21 points is domination. They had 9 in the bag when they recovered the ball.
Rahim Moore (rookie for sure) dropped a Brady throw right threw his hands on the first NE scoring drive (right before the long catch and run to Hernandez). It was quickly followed by the blown coverage (again, Rookie Rahim not to the rescue) for the uncontested TD to Chad.
That’s a lot of gift points to an offense that according to you didn’t get stopped all game long. Love the faith that they’ll score a “ton of points.” But, what if they don’t? It’s happened before. In fact in the last two NE playoff games at home, it happened both times (a 17 spot on the Ravens and 21 against the Jets). Are you really that certain it can’t happen again?
by shasta77 on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
shasta
Not certain.. no, just pretty sure.
Hey – I agree with you, coming away with 13 out of a possible 17 (lets assume a TD with seconds to go in the half is not a reasonable expectation – even for a team as good as the Patriots !) isn’t good enough – especially when the opportunties come off of takeaways.
I also realize the Denver defense makes mistakes, just as the New England defense does – the Bronco defender may dropped a Brady pass but, the Patriot defenders allowed gapping holes for Denver runners – hopefully both these issues have been addressed by the two teams.
The Patriots generally don’t really on “gift points” – they do quite well by simply playing offense.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
Generally they don't rely on "gift points"
But show me a game they’ve played in the past 10 years where they have three positions start inside the opponents 20 yard line. If that’s not gift points, than it’s damn gracious points.
Seen many a near pick turn into points going the other way. Happened to us last week when Champ dropped the pick in the end zone, that would have likely iced the game. Not saying it doesn’t happen. Just pointing out that it doesn’t always happen. And in week 15 it didn’t. Those all had impact on the final score. Which looked like a much bigger thrashing than it really was.
Gotta go... its getting late (in my office)
Enjoy the footgame tomorrow boys – should be a beauty.
Love your cheerleaders…
PFF
Scituate, MA
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
Nice Rex Ryan reference there!
XD
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
H-biz
..the Broncos rush it for 300 yards tomorrow night and they’re in business… you really think Denver gets 300 on the ground huh – that’s 50 yards more than week 15 ! Maybe you’re right but, I see N.E. doing a BETTER job vs. the run this time around. Hey, maybe the Patriots didn’t learn damn thing in that first game, seems that’s what you’re assuming .
A 60% completetion rate for Tebow is a bit high but, he could conceivably go: 6 for 12 or 13 – maybe get to the 150 yards. Points being more important than yards – how many TD’s will Tebow throw for ?
I think he will throw for 1 TD.
4 TDs, 3 on the ground. 2 by McGahee, 1 by Tebow/
So... 28 points for Denver - Bold Prediction
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
Bolder Prediction... I like it !
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
My *true* prediction
was 34-27 Broncos. But – I don’t think we’ll need that extra field goal. :)
How do you think they will do a better job on the ground
w/ out Chung (8 men) in the box. Because if you put 8 up, that leaves 3 over the top, which Tebow proved he can beat last week. And actually throughout a lot of his career, he has always had a good deep ball, even in Florida.
by Tony Astorino on Jan 13, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
Because they put up 252 with #23 leaving with an injury.
I say he plays the entire game and shreds the Pats. You may have been missing Chung and Spikes, but we were missing our 1,000 yard rusher. Even, as far as I’m concerned.
Actually I was referring to the statement that the Pats
Defense would do better against the run, not the Broncos running. lol GB²!!!
by Tony Astorino on Jan 13, 2012 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Thats exactly what you are assuming, the Broncos didn't learn anything from week 15
If we have as much sucess running on the Patriots as we did last time and we don’t turn it over, Tebow’s passing stats will be irelevant in this game. History tells us that teams often learn more in a losing effort than in a winning.
I see the New England front seven as a very undisciplined group against the run. They overpursue and don’t maintain gap integrity or outside contain. That can be a killer against this offense, and it was in week 15. The question then has to be, can the Patriots overcome those deficiencies with just one weeks preparation? Maybe some of that, but I doubt they can overcome all of it.
No team has been able to stop or slow the Broncos run game without safety help. The Steelers have a much better defense than the Patriots. They limited the Broncos to 131 yards on the ground, but they had to use 8 and sometimes 9 in the box to do that. How do you propose that New England can stop the Broncos run game when the #1 defense in the league had its hands full doing the same thing? The only answer is to hope for a quick start or turnovers like last time. I am sure the Broncos learned a valuable lesson about turnovers from the last game. That is a much easier fix than an undisciplined front seven anyday!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Let's start the game off with a play-action bomb to DT
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Tebow had one of his better days passing in week 15.
And the running game spoke for itself. Turnovers beat us.
Oh, and btw. NE only had 12 forced fumbles all year. So having 3 in a game… is the exception, not the rule for them. Obviously the Cosby fumble was our own error.
Also, last time I checked, Tebow is pretty good about not throwing picks, which is NEs only, I repeat, ONLY strong point. They let up tons of yardage and 1st downs (although yardage is a hollow stat). They are middle of the league in both points scored (meh..) and in sacks. Barring another mental melt-down, I project this game to be much closer than people think. And to answer the original question, I really dont think NE can take away BOTH phases of the offense.
"..who knows what can happen… the ball is oblong and bounces wierd."
They say the cool is all over me..
Teboner
You’re right – Tim Tebow doesn’t throw too many picks, his real problem with throwing the football is the pass that basically nosedives into the ground, short & right of the target. He also has to learn to throw a decent spiral – many of his passes look like the ball’s out-of-round as it flies through the air ! Now, I will say he made some beautiful throws in that Pittsburgh game… can’t take those away from him.
Doesn't matter how pretty the spiral is, as long as it gets to the receiver
His mechanics have improved and they will continue to improve. He doesn’t need to pass a lot to beat the Patsies, he just has to make the ones he throws count. He did it last week and he can do it again against a much inferior defense than he faced last week.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
CH
Agreed… my point was, its much easier on the receiver to handle a nice spiral than a dying quail. I would say his mechanics still need tweaking.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
Plenty of time for that in a full offseason, which he has never had as a starter.
He’s going to get better, I don’t have any doubt there. Until then, we’ll lean on the run and try to make the most of our passing opportunites.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Agreed
He will get better and the Broncos will remain a running football team.
by profootballfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with a running team
You know who’s number 2 behind the Broncos in rushing since 95? Oh, just a crappy franchise that goes by the Pittsburgh Steelers. A strong D and running game isn’t dead in the NFL, although Im sure you like your glamour ball just fine
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
No... nothing wrong with it
I do enjoy watching Tom Brady throw the ball all over the place, every single Sunday – it is exciting but, I lust for a killer defense to go along with the incredible New England offense. Some day maybe.
by profootballfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
No style points for spirals
Jeff George threw one of the prettiest passes ever and had a crazy strong arm. Made the scouts drool over his “abilities” at the Combine. Can’t think of anyone I would rather not have leading my team than Jeff George.
It’s putting it where it needs to be, when it needs to be there that matters. Or not throwing a pass that shouldn’t be. These are both things that Tebow really seems to excel at. He’s not afraid to “beach it” if the window is too tight, and come back next play. The stats mean nothing to him.
Last week he showed that he’s really progressed in using his eyes to move defenders and identify coverages pre-snap. The guy had almost no training camp once we kept Orton, and watched for 5.5 games before being thrown into the deep end of the pool. In game 12 of his season he showed everyone he is now able to make reads and adjustments he just wasn’t capable of early in the year. This is not the same Tebow NE saw in week 15. And yet, he was able to throw fairly well against that defense until the score got out of hand.
Pretty it may not always be (he’s still basically a rookie, so no surprise there). Mechanics can be refined/re-tooled. Schemes and tendencies can be learned. But without all that this kid continues to find ways to win. That you can’t teach.
Judging a defense by yards given up is antiquated. The Patriot defense certainly has its issues, but Denver actually has a much worse Passer Rating Against Rating. New England’s best defense is its offense, because with a solid lead, running the ball becomes less effective.
What if that solid lead never comes?
And Denver uses the running attack to limit the New England offense? That scenario is not all that far fetched. The Broncos defense has already proven they have the ability to come up with a stop. The Broncos too can play defense with their offense, probably even more effectively the New England if they hold onto the ball.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
The Steeler game created 3 new problems that BB probably wasn't counting on
1. DT is a big, fast wideout. Against a secondary that has had tackling and coverage issues, getting him the ball in space (short throw, long throw, or somewhere in between) creates some problems if your safeties are playing run. BB will want to take him away (especially with no Decker), but we’re still going to have opportunities to get him so YAC-type plays that will push the defense if they’re in the wrong coverage. If he commits too much to taking DT away, then you may see some very open looks to either Royal or M.Willis. A home run ball to Willis wouldn’t surprise me in this game.
2. The run action roll-out to Fells (twice) was designed to take advantage of the safety. Do you jump the route or play run. Both times we burned Polamalu by going where he wasn’t. NE doesn’t have the same kind of safety experience, so running similar plays that dare them to commit and going where they aren’t will be key. Expect more wrinkles like this that we haven’t seen. Throws to both the TEs and the RBs will be available, so expect to see more of them this week.
3. The presence of McGahee for 4 Quarters. Willis played many a game in this kind of weather when he was a Bill and a Raven, including the playoff win 2 years ago at NE. His patience as a RB puts tremendous pressure on the defense to not “sell out” based on blocking action. On a cold night, and a likely slippery field, that methodical approach will create at least 4 different opportunities for him to cut back on an over-pursuing defense. You gotta love a veteran back in this kind of situation. I expect him to have a big game. He doesn’t have a lot of Super Bowl chances ahead of him, he’ll be leaving it all on the field.
The last problem, and not one that came from the Steeler game is the weather. Cold and windy favors a running game, which we clearly have. Throw in Brady’s gimpy shoulder, that often takes a whole half to warm up, and you may see a much more inaccurate NE offense then they are used to having.
We’re playing with House Money right now. We’re not supposed to be here. Our offense isn’t supposed to work at this level. Yet we’re here, and it does. Pressures all on NE. Third loss in a row at home in the playoffs? We put the squeeze on them early, and that noose will only tighten.
by shasta77 on Jan 13, 2012 7:09 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
You make it sound like Tebow suddenly morphed into an elite QB versus the Steelers without looking at his performance in the context of the defensive game plan. Dick Lebeau is a HOFer, but he sucks at making adjustments. He was selling out the run by putting 9 in the box but should have made an adjustment later in the game once Tebow proved that he could hit the deep ball versus 1 on 1 coverage. Belichick’s D is going to give up a ton of yards, but unless Denver can execute in both red zones, you are going to be in for a long day. Lastly, I know you wish that Brady was hurt since you mention his shoulder in every post, but the only reason it has been sore is because he literally threw for over a mile this season.
LeBeau knew he'd get gashed by the run
Thats why he didn’t adjust. What is more likely, Tebow beats you throwing downfield or the Broncos run game beats you? Running the ball is more of a sure thing, there’s less chance of something going wrong. I dare New England to drop back and play the deep ball and leave only seven in the box. They do that and it will be a long night for them. New England will have to play the run and hope that Tebow doesn’t get hot throwing down the field. There is no adjustment that will allow them to do both.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Exactly
We took advantage of what the defense was giving us, since LeBeau was so committed to stopping the run. They didn’t believe he could hurt them with the deep ball, because they hadn’t seen it. When you committ to taking something away, you dare the offense to find something else. If BB dares us to dink and dunk, and run the ball—it’s on us to take advantage of that. If we do, we’ll win.
His tendinitis has been well documented all year
He’s even admitted it. Saw two different interviews with him where he commented on it taking a quarter or so to fully loosen up. And yes, it’s from throwing so many passes—kind of the definition of tendinitis, repetitive stress.
As for Tebow morphing, he’s played in less than a full season so far—so those kinds of improvements are expected. Kind of like Brady in his first full year—he was a very different QB at the end of that year than he was at the beginning. Not sure why that’s such tough concept to grasp. Your rookie can improve, ours can’t?
CH
You are correct – the Patriots will game plan to limit the Bronco running attack. They saw a lot (all ?) of what Denver does on the ground – four weeks ago. New England has a very good idea of what the Broncos like to do: the backs – the formations – the QB option – and the blocking schemes. N.E. also knows what worked and what didn’t work in week 15. The Pats know Tebow struggles with his passing game, yet they suspect that Tebow will attempt a down-field pass or two. All this Belichick knows.
One thing the Patriots will endeavor not to do, is get beat by a long Tebow completion – they will make every effort to defend it (unlike Dick LeBeau). N.E. knows (everybody who follows pro football knows) that Tebow is not a skilled thrower of the football. Belichick’s plan is fairly simple – force Tebow to make a high percentage of his short to medium throws – if Tebow can’t do it, the game is lost. If Tebow can, we’ve got a competitive contest on our hands.
by profootballfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:17 PM MST reply actions
Everyone in the NFL knows week in and week out
That this team is going to run and they still managed to average 152 yards a game. Knowing didn’t help any of them slow it down. It’s not going to help the Patriots slow it down either. If the Patriots play the long ball, the Broncos could very well rack up 300 yards on the ground. You don’t have to throw short to medium if you have a run game. You watched the game last week, you should know that. Denver is going to run and run some more until they start seeing 8 in the box, then they’re going to take a shot. Tebow has been adding something to his passing game every week, last week he showed the ability to look off the Safety and the ability to hit a back shoulder throw on an intermediate route. Those are skills he hadn’t mastered in week 15. His receivers are also getting more comfortable with his throws, they are dropping fewer and fewer balls every week. I know you are hoping for a blow-out PFF, but I wouldn’t hold your breath on it.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

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