RIP 2011/2012 Denver Broncos
by gcman on Jan 14, 2012 9:58 PM MST
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PrintWe are gathered here and around the world to pay tribute to our Denver Broncos. You provided a mind boggling amount of both exasperating play and thrilling finishes. I will never forget that the season brought very little hope with Kyle Orton at the controls and insane euphoria once Tim Tebow took over. I won't forget the weekly cardiac arrests that my heart was subjected to. And I won't forget that when all was said and done, my Denver Broncos won a playoff game this year after a 1-4 start. I will be forever grateful for that gift after the the brutal last 3 years. I will also never forget the wonderful presence of a true role model like Tim Tebow in the Denver community. It was fun...and maddening...and although it came to a brutal, bloody, messy, embarrassing end tonight, I have much hope for the future. But...
1. Trade Tim Tebow for a pick. With the run that Tebow and the Broncos have made this season, and the recent development of a few top notch QB's returning to school, this won't be the incredible QB draft class that everyone thought it would be. Of course it will still be good...I'm not sure that beyond Luck and RG3 anyone will be real exciting. Miami and Jacksonville, may both be interested in a QB and he would pack the house in each of those cities. I love Tim but I don't think that he would be able to do more than what he has done without a stellar D. I would prefer a QB that could consistently throw the ball. Our offense is brutal when Tebow and the option aren't working. And Fox will never be comfortable having Tebow throw more than run. So...now we need a QB or 3...
2. Pick up Peyton Manning by trade (his option might not be picked up) or Matt Flynn as a free agent. Manning is super expensive...getting old...and coming off that neck injury, but if he is healthy, I could live with him for 3 or 4 years. Matt Flynn looked pretty darn good and is young. Someone is going to get Matt Flynn...why not us? Aside from those two...not much else to go after. Regarless, we need to pick up a couple of QB's to round out the roster. Not sure how Adam Weber fares...maybe he becomes the backup?
3. Dump Goodman. I don't need to explain this do I?
4. Dump Joe Mays. I see him miss sooo many tackles.
5. Draft DT, MLB, Safety, CB, WR, TE, RB...not necessarily in that order. As evidenced by the games in which we played top notch QB's, we can't keep up...we NEED to focus and upgrade our D.
6. With DT, Eric Decker, Matt Willis, Eddie Royal, we have at least a serviceable WR corp. We don't know how good they can really be because we don't have a QB that can consistently get the ball to them. I am not down on Royal...he was good until we got Orton and Tebow throwing the ball to him. But maybe we pick up another WR in free agency to spur competition.
7. McGahee was solid for us this year. Moreno could be a solid change of pace back. Ball was serviceable. Maybe we pick up another RB in the draft or free agency but this is certainly not our most pressing need and we shouldn't waste a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB.
8. Fells, Rosario, Virgil Green, Julias Thomas...if there was one offensive position that we use an early round draft pick on I think this would be it. But not a first unless we get a Gronkowski or Hernandez type of talent. No more blocking TE's for the love of god.
9. Brian Dawkins. Man...what a warrior. Who knows if he comes back for another year. Will his neck hold up? If he doesn't, we are in trouble. Does anyone feel comfortable with Bruton, Rahim Moore, or Quenton Carter playing back there? Maybe we pick up a Safety in free agency as well.
Those are my initial thoughts. Again, I know that I may be flamed by my suggestion of trading Tebow, but know this...I'm not a Tebow hater. I'm a Broncos fan that enjoyed the ride and just wants to have my team do better. Maybe we can win 9 or 10 games next year with Tebow...maybe we won't be able to. Right now I wouldn't bet on it. The book seems to be out on him, as one of the worst defenses in the NFL just shut him down. We are sooo one dimensional. And if he doesn't improve his passing significantly, we could be in for a long season next year.
Regardless...I'm already missing my Denver Broncos and I can't wait for Free Agency, Draft Day, Training Camp, and the Season Opener.
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Complete waste of a read
So you trade one of the only reasons you get to the playoffs? Might as well blow this season off if that is your take.
by Scottey15 on Jan 14, 2012 10:10 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
sorry you felt that way...like I said...just one guys thoughts.
my point is that Tebow may have some trade value and I would rather have a QB that can throw as well as run. Tebow had a great run, but Tebow can’t consistently put up enough points to win week in and week out without a superior Defense to back him up. This is a high octane league where points are being put up at record paces. Tebow’s style just doesn’t cut it. Maybe he makes a huge leap forward next year…maybe he doesn’t. We will see. Either way I’m sure he will still be with the Broncos, and I will be rooting for him.
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I here what you are saying about Tebows inconsistency gcman, but you CANT blame the Patriot game on him
We lost that game because of the O-LINE! There was no run blocking and NO pass blocking. Tebow didn’t make a whole lot of good plays, but he didn’t make a lot of bad plays either. There were STILL a bunch of drops, and he had NO time to throw in this game. Plus we got behind the eight ball and Fox has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW TO COME BACK FROM 21 DOWN! Hay fox we need 3 td’s why don’t you RUN IT UP THE MIDDLE ON 1ST DOWN AND LOSE 2 YARDS!!!!
all good points...
Fox and McCoy can be pretty frustrating.
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This is a knee jerk reaction.. Trade Tebow..? sorry man can't walk off the plank with you on that idea..
" He conquers who endures."
It is a knee jerk reaction to a certain degree...
but even during our 6 game win streak I wasn’t sure how I felt about having Tim Tebow as our QB moving forward. I was conflicted. I loved the insane comebacks but loathed the pathetic performances prior to the 4th qtr. I honestly can’t see how Tebow can ever keep up in a shootout with a Tom Brady or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers or Matt Schaub or Stafford or Rivers or Peyton/Eli Manning…If we build a 49rs or Ravens or just complete badass D, then maybe, but I don’t know.
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Newsflash
You just named about 7 or 8 of the top ten QBs in the league right now. They are top 10 for a reason, they worked hard and learned the game. Why is it this kid Tebow has to be a top 10 QB in his second year before he gets a chance from people like you?
by DDoug on Jan 14, 2012 11:18 PM MST via Android app up reply actions 3 recs
SPOT ON!!!!
There is his folly, simplified and shown plain for all to see. Next….
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:19 PM MST up reply actions
If we somehow end up with Luck
and he doesn’t look so hot compared with all those names his first couple years… I guarantee gcman would give him a break….. and why? Because he lost by throwing the football? It’s obvious and I guarantee it will be dwarfed next year by Tim and the young offense’s improvement / play.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:21 PM MST up reply actions
You know PaleHorse...I hope to high heaven that Tim is able to make significant improvement in his throwing skills..
I’m not rooting against him. Having Tim and the offense do well will make me a happy guy. I’m a Bronco fan first and foremost. I’m just not optimistic about him getting a whole lot better with his accuracy.
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how many of those QB's that I named were anywhere near as horrible as our young Tim Tebow during their first years?
How many of them were god awful throwing the ball as Tebow has been for most of this season? Can you honestly tell me that Tebow is going to magically go out and become a good passer next year? As hard as he works? I don’t need Tebow to be a top 10 QB…just one that can be consistent with his throws…one that can make the throws when needed if the running game isn’t working.
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So, Tim didn't do that this year
abd beat the Steelers in a playoff game for God’s sake? What will it take to please you? A sexy QB? If Luck had the same type of season this year as Tebow, you’d give him a pass.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:28 PM MST up reply actions
If Luck completed less than 45% of his passes for an average of 147 yards per game and total offense less than 200...
I wouldn’t give him a pass either…I’d suggest that he needs significant improvement. But one thing is for sure…I know we aren’t getting luck. And I’m ok with that. And I’m ok with Tebow being our starting QB next year…I would rather him start than Orton or Grossman or B. Quinn or most of the other spares out there. But that doesn’t mean I would be disappointed if we were somehow to get manning or Flynn or even RG3.
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Just one question
Did you do all this while playing franchise mode on Madden and think it would work in real life? That’s the vibe I get from reading this…sounds like something one would do in a game. No way you realistically think all these points is possible, right?
by DDoug on Jan 14, 2012 11:59 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
wow way to lump everyone in the same boat there!
I have a full time job, enrolled in school for 19 credits and also serve as an army reservist. When I have a bit of down time i don’t mind playing video games. But I guess I don’t have a life….
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 15, 2012 3:58 AM MST up reply actions
you are right...that was a cheap shot...
I wouldn’t lump everyone into that category. You deserve some down time with all that you do. I would love to be able to play some Madden…but I just don’t have the time generally. Have a daughter that takes up my time.
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Tim had 14 TD's throwing to 6 picks
and add on 7 rushing. To me that’s better than Dalton, Ponder…. any youngster really. Cam is a beast too, but he’s nowhere near the leader.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...Tim's rushing TD's were absolutely important to our success...
I’ve said before that if there was any way to get Tim to throw better, he would be a uniquely dangerous weapon. Maybe it will just take some time for him to get comfortable. I don’t know…I just know I want more consistency from him. Is that too much to ask for?
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FACT - 1st year stats:
Tom Brady – 18TD’s, 12 INT’s, 10.8 yds/completion, 86.5 QB Rating
Drew Brees – 17 TD’s, 16 INT’s, 10.3 yds/completion, 76.9 QB Rating
Peyton Manning – 26 TD’s, 28 INT’s, 11.5 yds/completion, 71.2 QB Rating
(after 3 years sitting on the bench and learning the NFL)
Aaron Rogers – 28 TD’s, 13 INT’s, 11.8 yds/completion, 93.8 QB Rating
Matt Schaub – 9 TD’s, 9 INT’s, 11.7 yds/completion, 87.2 QB Rating
Tim Tebow – 17 TD’s, 9 INT’s, 14.3 yds/completion, 75.1 QB Rating
There’s not much difference even in the passing stats. Except that Tebow is having to throw deeper passes because the Broncos have not made the O-line adjustment for a lefty QB. Plus — Tebow can run and that isn’t included above
by yibberat on Jan 15, 2012 12:02 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious...
Can you post the stats for yards/attempt? I prefer to look at that as opposed to yards/completion. If Tim Tebow goes 2 for 8 and throws one bomb for 52 yards and another for 8 yards…that is a 30 yds/completion…not a great measure…where as less than 6 yrds/attempt is not very good.
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You can look at that yourself
Yds/attempt is nowhere near as meaningful. Short dink and dunk passes – with dumpoffs to a TE/RB – all very high completion % passes – are the bread and butter of young QB’s who are still learning NFL schemes.
We have not had that chance with Tebow. He is left-handed – and thus has no blindside pass protection for the 3-step drop game that is the basis of dinks and dunks and no outlet to a TE because the TE is on the blindside for him. We saw for the first time this game, the Broncos attempt to leave Franklin alone to deal with an active pass rush on that side. The traditional “pocket” for a QB. The results were telling. Our o-line is nowhere near ready to provide any short drop protection for Tebow as long as he is left-handed.
Our gimmicky plays that we have done re Tebow has far less to do with him as a QB than it does with the reality of getting an o-line and TE’s ready and prepped to deal with the differences between a lefty QB and a right QB.
And yds/attempt isn't a huge difference anyway so far
Brady – 6.9
Brees – 6.2
Manning – 6.5
Rodgers – 7.5
Schaub – 7.8
Tebow – 6.4
those numbers surprise me a bit. I didn't expect to see brees and manning so low.
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Of course you didn't.
The only reason Rodgers and Schaub are so high is because they spent 3 years on the bench before they started playing.
Boom goes the dynamite
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Trade Tebow??
Maybe you should compare Tebow’s and Elway’s starting records…
ever hear the expression, "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" ?
the least you could do is give Tebow and Fox an off-season—sounds like you need instant gratification..
Oh...I won't be leading any kind of revolt against Tebow...
I will be rooting him on from my couch in San Antonio all offseason and into next season. But, I won’t be disappointed if we somehow end up with Manning or Flynn.
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@gcman on twitter
Matt Flynn
who looked great in one game….. for Tim freakin Tebow? Ask Buffalo how that went for them a decade ago when they benched Flutie for Rob Johnson…. based on Johnson having one great game as a backup.
Peyton Manning has serious neck issues and may never play again. I don’t see how anyone is going to agree with your logic.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:26 PM MST up reply actions
Why didn't you write this after the win over Pittsburgh?
Why now? Are you telling me that you wanted Tebow gone after he won us that game with his arm???
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We caught Pittsburgh with a battered defense that got more battered throughout the game...
And yes…it was Tebow’s arm that did the damage. It was a sight to see. I don’t see that happening very often though. I don’t see how Elway or Fox is really looking forward to Tebow as the future of the franchise. You seem to be sold completely (blindly?) on Tebow as our QB. I may be an idiot as you and the other guy suggested, but I’m only one of many who don’t think Tebow is a long term answer at QB…many of those are actual former players, coaches, scouts, GM’s. There are far fewer of those think that Tebow is the answer. So…yep…I’m an idiot.
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by gcman on Jan 15, 2012 12:00 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Here’s what PaleHorse is trying to get at: You said you don’t think Tebow can beat teams with his arm often. But why have you come to this conclusion? What makes you think he wont? Maybe he will maybe he wont, but you sound like a man that has his mind made up that Tebow wont. I have a theory on why you think he wont: You’ve been conditioned to think so by outside influences. Any other QB wouldn’t be questioned in such a manner this early into their career. But since all you hear is how he can’t play QB in the NFL, you’ve already written him off. You hope he’s successful because your a Broncos fan…but your mind has predetermined he wont. Why are you so convinced Flynn would be an upgrade? Have you seen Flynn play (besides the last game of the 2011 season), or are you just going off what you’ve heard?
by DDoug on Jan 15, 2012 12:23 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
good questions...
Yeah…you are right. I only watched Flynn play in that last game and don’t really know anything more than that. Maybe he is a product of the system GB has in place. Maybe he really is pretty good. Regarding Tebow, after watching him this year, I still don’t care that he has an unusual delivery. What concerns me most is that has trouble hitting the short routes (inside and outside), he doesn’t seem to have a sense of timing or anticipation so it has been very difficult for him to make a throw where he takes a quick 3 step drop and gets the ball out. That would be a huge asset to him right now where the D just pins its ears back and goes after him. Maybe that all gets worked out in the offseason.
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Consider who Flynn is throwing to
Nelson, Jennings, Finley, and their respective backups >than Denvers by A LOT
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Word is Shanny wants Flynn.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
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Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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I know he needs a QB in the worst way
I also heard he would take RGIII
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Disappointed ?
We are all disappointed with the loss but maybe you should sleep on it and think with a better frame of mind tomorrow . Unlike you I’m not ready to give up on Tebow and I am looking forward to see how he improves with a full off season and coaching . I am also not ready to give up on the rookies as they will be much better next year. I am excited to see what EFX does in the upcoming draft and free agency . As I said I am disappointed in tonights loss but I am also excited about the future of this team with a good coaching staff and continuity . After all this is just year one of EFX’s three tear rebuild plan . GO BRONCOS !!!!
by ultraclassic04 on Jan 14, 2012 10:31 PM MST reply actions
I, too, like where the team is headed.
Von, with another year under his belt, will be awesome. Orlando Franklin will hopefully continue to get better. Some good things going on. I’m just not sold on Tebow. Call me crazy…but I don’t think I’m the only one. I’m sure he will get better with some offseason coaching, but will be enough?
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Rather than focus on how strongly I disagree with your opinion regarding Tebow, I will say that I do agree with you on certain weaknesses that do make sense to me. MLB is a problem if Mays is our starter. Terrible angles and sub par awareness. Goodman should remain as the very least competition in Training Camp. Our TE Julian Thomas has the raw talent to become a mismatch like a Hernandaz, but will require patience because he is a project and was drafted as one. RB is more of a need than you may think. McGahee had a fantastic year, but it is time to look for a home run threat with fresh legs to complement McGahee. Dawkins is likely done, but I am encouraged by Carter. I think he needs experience. If we have a shot at SS Mark Barron this draft, I hope we take him.
"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Jan 14, 2012 10:58 PM MST reply actions
Good points...
And let me say this…I know my viewpoint on Tebow isn’t popular…but that is the beauty of a forum right? If we all share the same opinions it would be kind of boring.
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I’ll just say that I will let the people on this sight with more energy debate Tebow’s future with you. I don’t agree with it, but do welcome different ideas for what can improve OUR team.
"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Jan 14, 2012 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
Tebow will get at least one more year.
If he takes a step forward next year then he will probably be long term here. If he is STILL inconsistent, then I will be OK if we move on. But I think he deserves a shot as our 2012 starting QB.
by alkatraz76 on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
We gotta keep Tebow
I also am very comfortable with Quinton Carter at safety, I really hope Dawkins can go one more year
"My mind-set is taking it one day at a time. That's all I can do." -Champ Bailey
by bronconation15 on Jan 14, 2012 11:02 PM MST via Android app reply actions
let me ask you...
Next year we have a brutal schedule again…facing a healthy Big Ben, Drew Brees, Matt Schaub, Tom Brady, Matty Ice, Phillip Rivers 2x, Cam Newton. Can Tebow keep up with the big guns? Just on a first glance…of course way way early…how many wins do you see? We play the AFC North and NFC South. I think we struggle to get to 8 wins again. Even if our Defense continues to improve.
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Can Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Christian Ponder, and Andy Dalton (all youngsters)
keep up with those same big guns? It is so impatient to suggest that any young QB who has barely started a full year can compete with the likes of those beasts. And what’s so stupid about this comment…. Tebow DId beat a few of those names this year. He’s only gonna get better next.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:16 PM MST up reply actions
And you already know the offense won't improve? Just the D, and it still won't matter?
Knee Jerk…. quick fix…. silliness. Franchises take time to build. This team is young…. anyone halfway wise could do the math. We made the playoffs and beat a SB team from the previous year…. you want to cut the main reason we got there out already? Silly silly silly.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:18 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with a lot of it
but dump Tebow (the future) for Peyton Manning (maybe not even the immediate)? Hoe foolish. You’ve been waiting to write this for a while now I’d bet.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Actually I've mentioned it before...but now that we are out of the playoffs and starting our offseason,
what is there to talk about except what we have to look forward to next year. This is just my thought on how the Broncos improve there chances next year. I know…not popular. Also doesn’t mean I’ve been waiting to jump on Tebow for doing bad. At one point I was strongly a Tebow proponent. I just don’t think he is very good at the quarterback position. But I will still root for him.
"They are who we thought they were!"
@gcman on twitter
Maybe we can trade him for Cam Newton
I heard he won a crap ton of games this year. Oh wait…. he threw for a lot of yards but didn’t have the same level of success Tim did (winning is the only thing that counts…. we beat the Steelers… in case you forgot…. and it wasn’t because of our D…. our D got burned and torched repeatedly).
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:23 PM MST up reply actions
Better to just let people think you're an idiot.
Then to write this post and remove all reasonable doubt.
"Tim Tebow once urinated in a semi truck's gas tank as a joke....that truck is now known as OpTIMus Prime."
by iBleedorangeandblue on Jan 14, 2012 11:31 PM MST reply actions
You said it.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 14, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions
hey man...no need to get personal...just some thoughts...
"They are who we thought they were!"
@gcman on twitter
Better to just let people think you're full of idiotic thoughts.
Then to write this post and remove all reasonable doubt.
Better?
"Tim Tebow once urinated in a semi truck's gas tank as a joke....that truck is now known as OpTIMus Prime."
by iBleedorangeandblue on Jan 14, 2012 11:51 PM MST up reply actions
not really...but so much for friendly discourse huh?
I guess that’s what happens when you go against the Tebow!
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We're not friends.
And you truly asked for it with a really piss poor evaluation of my team. This isn’t Fantasy Football or Madden. Do better next time.
by iBleedorangeandblue on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM MST up reply actions
You're kind of an asshole!
I dont agree with the Tebow trade at all but he has been pretty god aweful this year at times even though he hasnt started a full year. Some great defense and epic late game rallies by Tebow have helped mask his glaring passing deficiencies. I fully believe Tebow will improve this offseason and i want him starting in 2012, but why do you have to be so hostile with someone who doesnt agree. Are you just anticipating MSM on Monday and you’re in defense mode early?
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by OldBloodnGuts on Jan 15, 2012 1:39 AM MST up reply actions
kind of glad I'm not friends with you...who really would want to be with your attitude...
What else that I said about the team do you not agree with? Should we keep Goodman? Should we focus our draft on the offensive side of the ball? Has Tebow really performed well and above expectations or has he had some incredibly good luck in going against teams that missing their starting RB’s or QB’s. Miami had their own QB situation going on and save a furious 5 minute rally, we were losing that game 15-0. We got pasted by Detroit. We had a solid game against Oakland, but they were missing McFadden and Campbell was just hurt so they needed to bring in Carson Palmer who hadn’t gone through training camp or practice all season. We then got KC with their own QB situation and having lost jamaal charles. The Jets win was great but again required a last drive to save a poor performance by Tebow. How we won at SD is beyond me, but again, Tebow saved the day with a great 4th qtr. Minnesota and Chicago had Adrian Peterson and Forte gone. In addition, Chicago had Cutler on the shelf, but those were wins and Tebow was pretty good against the Vikings, albeit it a very poor team. Then he runs into a Brady, the Bills, and the Chiefs…not so good. I would say Tebow played his most complete game against the Steelers in the playoffs, against a solid D. All told, Tebow needed a lot of things to fall into line to even just get to the first round. And aside from him making some great runs, he didn’t make a bunch of great passes to get the Broncos there. The Broncos D was pretty good against a bunch of teams that weren’t great and/or were missing some key offensive personnel.
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by gcman on Jan 15, 2012 6:03 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand some of your points.
You said that Manning is “super expensive.” The thing is, Matt Flynn will be too. I don’t think he’s worth sinking money into. Think about it, he’s been with the same offense for two or three years. I would hope he would be able to master the offense at that point. Also he had better WRs to throw to. Anyone of those guys could be a number one any where else. Not to mention Finnely is a top 5 TE in the NFL. To add on further, Mike McCarthy is better at calling plays than McCoy is. It’s easy to get caught up in his big game at the end up of the year, but when you look at it further, it’s not worth sinking big money into him. I’d rather ride another year with Tebow, see how he does, if worst comes to worst, draft a QB in 2013. As you can tell, I’m not a fan of getting a backup QB. I rather draft one.
I agree with points three and four.
With point number 5, I agree that the broncos should look to draft a CB, RB, and DT all in that order. I like Bailey, Harris, and Squid. I think if you add a Gilmore or Minniefield. I would even go after Hosley—he’s a playmaker. For RB the broncos need a homerun threat and they are lucky that this draft is full of homerun threats. They could go either with Miller or David Wilson. If they want to go later, then James or Demps would be there later. For DT, I would get Mike Martin from Michigan in the 3rd or 4th round. The guy is a beast against the run. As far as MLB and TE, I’d go look to free agency for that. I would give Thomas another year to develope.
I don’t agree with 6 because DT and Decker alone are pretty good WRs. I wouldn’t call either one of those guys serviceable.
Point 8 doesn’t make much sense because Thomas and Green aren’t really run blocking TEs. I was suprised with Green’s blocking ability, but both were viewed as pass catching TEs in the draft—actually more H back type.
For point 9, I would be comfortable with Carter back there. He has picked off two top QBs in the last two weeks. He has improved throughout the year and deserves a starting role next year. Moore I think will benefit greatly from the offseason, but i would consider bringing in a veteran just in case.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 14, 2012 11:39 PM MST reply actions
Absolutely Disagree
when they posted a first 15 starts win loss record only one QB had a better record than Teabow. It was the man we faced in this loss Brady!!! Elway did not win his first playoff game until what 1986 year 4 here Teabow won it in his second year and the first year he started for ten games COMMON MAN!!! Teabow is touted as being infinitely coachable with excellant football smarts never trade a possible francise QB. Notice I said possible he has never had a full off season as a starter at least wait until his first 7/9 season where he throws more picks than TD’s.
We definately need to draft talented DB, DT, and I would actually say RB. Champ is old, need push from the middle, and Magahee is over 30. Why cause a need on the offense that is not there at the moment?
You have a point...why create a need on offense that isn't there...Tebow is good enough to help us beat poor and mediocre
teams and some good teams here and there. And he is young and coachable. However, without an upgraded D, I don’t see how we will ever be able to compete with a team like the Patsies or the Packers or the Saints or the Texans. Those teams can score in bunches and I don’t ever see a Tebow led offense on a John Fox team doing that. Will Fox ever take the reins off of him? Maybe.
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I'll say right now even with the tough schedule we have upcoming...
That the Broncos can and probably will finish around 11-5 next season. The needs are obviously at MLB and CB. We have an offseason to get an actual FULL playbook implemented with Tebow as QB. Tebow will have time to work on what he obviously needs to work on as well. With an offseason of work, Nate Irving may be able to step up in MLB role. Also, Rahim Moore, Julius Thomas, Quinton Carter, and Virgil Green all have showed flashes of brilliance and can become better depth in the offseason. The first 3 rounds of the draft should be used on defense, and a veteran WR should be targeted in free agency. I think Champ and Dawkins could be instrumental in attracting some free agents to come to Denver and join in on creating some more magic here. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see some talented free agents want to come to Denver in the offseason.
by knoepke84 on Jan 15, 2012 12:44 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I like your optimism...I agree...we have some good young pieces in place. If Tebow continues with his knack for making things happen,
I will gladly eat my words!
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Would you have traded Elway?
Tebow posted better stats, a better record, and ultimately shows to be a better leader right now. Elway didn’t have a winning record until year 3 or almost 48 starts Tebow was in the second round of the playoff is less than half that! Rethink your trade of Tebow! He is a Bronco for life! Be it at QB, fullback, H-back, or TE you don’t trade a guy like Tebow! He makes your team better simply by just walking in the door! Positive attitudes spread like wildfire if he believes the team believes in him. I would say that NONE of his teammates would put this loss on him, not like the Jets did who Sanchez! His teammates love him and play harder because of it.
It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone
No way I would have traded Elway but then one of the things I loved about Elway was his cannon arm.
I also loved his intensity. He did have issues with accuracy as well, but I never felt like every throw was an adventure for him. I really like what you had to say about Tebow in various roles and his infectious attitude…made a HUGE difference this year.
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Give Tebow at least another year - some more weapons and some quality time in Training Camp
I agree with you that consistent accuracy may not be improved as easily as some MHR posters believe. If that was really the case then every QB would look like Montana/Marino after 10 years in the league. Everyone has their ceiling.
But Tebow also brings to the table fantastic mobility with the dual running threat. He also brings leadership and a tough work ethic. That doesn’t come along every day. Best of all he finds ways to keep the play alive. Big Ben does that and it’s players like that that win Superbowls.
I think McGeorge nailed this nicely a while back. Give Tebow the job for 2012, if he then fails to improve we can move for Barkley. (apologies in advance to McG if I have got his argument wrong)
But we need to give him a better offensive line. And perhaps we could emulate the Pats and get ourselves a true pass catching TE. Fells and Rosario? Meh. Julius Thomas? Well lets see if he can do more in TC this year to break out. But if we grabbed a TE in the 2nd round I would be very happy.
There are so many areas that need upgrading on this team that I just don’t want to trade away the few players on our team who have genuine upside like Tebow has. That’s a recipe for long term failure in the NFL.
We could upgrade at G/C, TE, MLB, DT, CB and S. We’re still two drafts away I think.
Anyway interesting post – sorry that some people had to be personally rude to you for stating your opinions.
What would Blackie Lawless do? Well he'd probably wait till after the playoffs are over before speculating as to what happens in the offseason....
Thanks! The funny thing is I really like Tebow. He is by far the best option we had this year. I was itching to see him play this year.
I was happily surprised by the final results of games while concerned about the way those games were played in full. He won some games he really had no right winning and if Elway can help him improve, then we may be golden.
Overall I agree with you…we are probably 2 drafts away from a solid team.
Thanks again for your response.
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You, sir..
are a sore loser….get a grip man…You are obviously one of those fans that can’t live without being pleased all the TIME.
No...not a sore loser. I was happier with the broncos this season than I have been for 4 or 5 years.
Does that mean I should stop considering ways that my beloved broncos can get better? At what point are you ok with someone having a different viewpoint than yours and that being ok? Or are you egomaniac and believe you know everything? Why do I have to be a sore loser just because I think we might be better off long term with a QB that is more consistent?
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I love your post before the jump
And I disagree on everything after the jump.
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Yeah I figured that might happen. Was it only the Tebow thing or did you disagree with everything I suggested?
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Really with everything, my friend
Let’s go with my 2c… I’ll jump the Tebow stuff for us to don’t make any rant (and it includes the PM subject):
3. I’m a big critic of Goodman. I never liked the man as our CB. I think he was serviceable in the past and now he can’t cover anybody. However, he is an experienced guy and could be there with a backup contract as a mento (with Bailey) to our new kids. Of course he will never teach Harris how to tackle, for example ahahaha, but he can give the kids some good hints to improve.
4. Again, I hate how often he is caught in a bad angle and missing a tackle, but I don’t think we should dump him, since he can play ST and a backup role.
5. Ok, here I realize that I don’t disagree on EVERYTHING lol
6. I think we have a good and young corp of WRs, I don’t think we need to put some money to bring a veteran here just to spur competition….
7. We must pick a rookie at this position and maybe sign a FA also. Can Moreno stay healthy? How long will McGahee last? I think this is our major need on the offense, that’s where I disagree.
8. Remember Gronk was a 2nd rounder (#42). I strongly disagree on picking any TE, since we have a big upside at Dove Valley and could just give them a full offseason with OTAs to improve.
9. I don’t feel comfortable as well, but this is another unit I’d like to see closely with a full offseason before drafting other kids early. I like Aaron Henry, but he could be our 5th rounder (via Rams) and then I’m ok with adding another college S.
These are my points why I didn’t like your article after the jump, GCM.
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 PM MST up reply actions
1 personal add
You are a moron. Kidding! Don’t be offended with people here hitting you, some with bad manners. You are not a loser, an idiot or anything like that just because you have an opinion 99% disagree with.
Just keep your love for our beloved Broncos and bring your ideas. Agreements or disagreements are a part of that. People shouldn’t take opinions into a personal way. So I apologize for everyone who wasn’t much polite with you.
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with Fabio
I apologize for everyone who wasn’t much polite with you.
Keep posting gcman.
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Matt had a great game
with someone else offense.. to be honest, he did not do that well in college..
Tim brings something to the table money can’t buy..and he is willing to give it up
just for the opportunity to play football ..he is a first level young QB and a gift to any franchise who without a doubt would give up picks for him..
He will be in the playoffs again next year.. I would bet that about Brees, Eli, and Rodgers too.. What we need to do, aside from get reinforcements, is tune up our entire team to peak level..with the work ethic and other locker room attributes that = winning present, it is just a time and schedule thing.
LET THE OFF SEASON BEGIN !!!
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Thanks for your take...
I’m not sure we will be able to make the playoffs next year. Our schedule is going to be brutal. If our division remains incompetent, then I could see us making another run at 8-8 or 9-7.
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I stopped reading after the first point.
Trade Tebow for a pick?? Are you high? We need to build a team around this kid and his abilities, not kick him to the curb. He is young with a ton of upside who hasn’t even had a full off season yet. There are a ton of knowledgeable, high-football IQ posts on this site. This post is not one of them.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 16, 2012 5:11 PM MST reply actions
Well..thanks!
Didn’t realize I had to have the IQ of Einstein to post on a forum. Hmm…also didn’t realize this sight was for Tebow zealots…at least that is how it feels after this post. I guess anyone who doesn’t think Tim Tebow really played lights out is wrong. I guess all of those poor stats he put up doesn’t really matter. I guess the fact that most national pundits and experts don’t believe he is a long term answer should deter the few who do…and to heck with anyone who doesn’t agree with you guys. No WE are all IDIOTS because we dare to suggest that there may be an alternative to Tim Tebow. So I guess this really isn’t a forum? This is Mile High Report…you better fall in line and conform with your beliefs. Now I know that isn’t true as evidenced by the fact that some respondents actually had an intelligent IQ football post in response to mine (disagreeing with me), but yours wasn’t one of them.
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