Let the Offseason begin.
Now that meaningfull Bronco football is done, it's time for us mock drafters and Arm chair GM's to do our thing. This team still has alot of holes, i'll give a preview of what our beloved Denver Broncos might do.
Coaching:
Obviously John Fox is safe, he did a good job this year. Team lacked alot of talent and was young, but we made it to the divisional round of the playoffs. So he'll be back.
Dennis Allen has gotten some interest from teams this offseason, but ultimately it looks like he'll be back. He had a pretty good rookie campaign as a DC. Hope we improves and adds some new wrinkles to his D.
Now here is where things get interesting, Mike McCoy. I want him gone, but at the same time, i think it would be good to keep him around. Tebow obviously has a great relationship with him, and that's important. Yes his play-calling sucks, and i wouldnt complain one bit if this guy was let go, but i can understand if we kept him.
Quarterbacks:
Tim Tebow locked himself in as the starter throughout the offseason and 2012 season, but he'll be the only QB on the roster. So EFX will add some players. I expect them to draft a QB, but i wouldnt expect them to draft one before round 4 at the earliest. They will add a Vet though some guys to keep an eye on are...
Jason Campbell would be a nice backup, Henne and Quinn would be decent options aswell. Dixon and Johnson are both faster QB's who could also try to run the Tebow offense, but wouldnt be as effective obviously
Some Rookie who we could talk a look at
- Russell Wilson
- Ryan Lindley
- Brock Osweiler
- Kellen Moore
I'd love Russell Wilson, guy has tons of talent, just is short. Osweiler is an intriguing option. I'd give Moore a look late in the draft or as a UDFA if we would. So i expect competition to be added, but mostly for depth. Looks like we'll be all in on Tebow in 2012
Running Backs
Willis McGahee is probably our team MVP this year. The guy was solid and rejuvenated his career here in Denver, but he'll turn 31 soon. We have Knowshon Moreno, who i think is made of glass. I'm not giving up on the guy, but we need to look to upgrade this position. Our running game is going to be the main key to our offense. So upgrading it should be high on our list this year. Some Free Agent options who we should look at...
Just a note, i doubt the last two, Forte and Rice make the open market. I'd love to bring back Hillis to Denver. He would fit right in this Fox Offense, and he can be a reliable WR out of the backfield. I'd love Lynch but we will cost some money. Michael Bush would be awesome, but does Oakland let him with DMC constantly hurt?
There's alot of guys i'd love the Broncos to draft in the 2012 draft at the RB position
- Trent Richardson
- Lamar Miller
- David Wilson
- Chris Polk
- LaMichael James
- Doug Martin
- Isaiah Pead
- Cyrus Gray
I'm a firm believer that the Broncos draft at least 1 RB possibly 2 if they don't add a guy Via Free Agency. Trent Richardson isnt an option for us, he'll be a top 10-15 pick. I'd LOVE if we took Lamar Miller in the first, love the guy's potential. Polk and Wilson will be there in the 2nd round, but probably gone before we pick, Doug Martin is an intriguing option, LaMichael James would fit in our offense well i think. Gray and Pead would be a nice round 3-4 option.
The thing i really want them to do is just add some explosiveness to our backfield. Fox has always had a 2 back system, one fast guy and a grinder. We have a grinder in McGahee, we just lack speed. Miller, Wilson, James and Martin all fit that.
Reciever
Thomas really broke out the last part of the season. Decker started out strong, but really struggled down the stretch. Eddie Royal has a moment once in awhile, but was rather invisible all season. We need to add another weapon or two here to help tebow out.
Here's some Free Agent WR's we might look at
- Reggie Wayne
- Vincent Jackson
- DeSean Jackson
- Dwayne Bowe
- Stevie Johnson
- Robert Meachem
- Mario Manningham
Pretty solid group. If we could get Vincent Jackson i'd do a backflip. Would be Tebow's bestfriend and give him another deep option and a huge Target. DeSean Jackson has questionable character but man he's explosive. I doubt the Chiefs let Bowe go. Reggie Wayne would be a solid addition, but i doubt he would want to come to Denver with a run first offense.
If i was Elway, id go hard after Vincent Jackson
The draft has some decent guys in the draft i'd like the broncos to target too
- Kendall Wright
- Mohamed Sanu
- Ashlon Jeffrey
- Nick Toon
- Dwight Jones
- Tommy Streeter
- Marvin McNutt
- Ryan Broyles
- Joe Adams
- Jarius Wright
I'm a huge Kendall Wright fan, if he's available at 25, i'd be happy if we took him. Same with Ashlon Jeffrey. Nick Toon and Dwight Jones would both be nice 2nd round picks. I really like Streeters potential. Joe Adams and Jarius Wright are both really fast and would add some explosion to our offense
Tightends
Daniel Fells made some nice plays this season. Virgil was a great blocker, and Thomas was inactive. Thomas has great potential, but who knows what to expect from him next year. McCoy needs to use the Tightends more in the offense, would benefit Tebow more, look what New England Tightends did to us. I doubt we upgrade the Position much this season but here's some Free Agents to keep an eye on.
- Jermichael Finely
- Fred Davis
- John Carlson
Finely obviously is the top prize, but with the Tightends mostly used as blockers, i dont expect EFX to spend top money on Finely or Davis. Carlson a former 1st rounder is more of a traditional Fox TE. Can block and receive.
Offensive Line
It was a mixed bag for me for the O-Line. They run blocked great, but pass blocking was in-consistent i think. Tebow's scrambling lead to some more sacks, but also helped get out of some. They're a young group so i think they'll stick with them. We do need some depth though, and maybe some competition at Center.
Some Free Agents i could see us target
I really have no clue who EFX would target as some depth at the OL. But depth is needed
Guys to keep an eye on in the draft
- Nate Potter
- Levy Adcock
- Markus Zusevics
- Mitchell Schwartz
- Kevin Zeitler
- Ryan Miller
Just a few guys who would compete and add some much needed depth. I'd say OL is probably the least of our worries this offseason.
Defensive Ends
We have Elvis and Ayers. Dumervil is a great pass rusher who lacks in the run game, and we have Ayers who is a good run stopper, but lacks in the pass rush. We also see Von Miller as a DE on passing downs. We're going to need to add some depth here, Hunter is a Free Agent, and i think EFX will try to add some competition for Ayers. We need to generate a pass rush and outside of Dumervil and Von we have no one else, and we can't always use Von as a edge rusher, he's a linebacker in a 4-3, he will need to go back in coverage and play the run too. So i think adding another pass rusher could be in EFX's plans
Free Agents
- Robert Mathis
- John Abraham
- Cliff Avril
- Isreal Idonjie
- Dave Ball
- Matt Roth
- Andre Carter
I think Mathis will hit the open market, and if he does id love to add him. have Doom and Mathis on the edges, which would allow us to move Von around and use him as a Linebacker. If we're constantly going to use him as an edge rusher, let's just use a 3-4 D. Avril is another guy who would be a nice addition. Abraham has been around for ever it seems, but could be a solid veteran addition.
Draft:
- Nick Perry
- Whitney Mercilus
- Chandler Jones
- Andre Branch
- Vinny Curry
- Cam Johnson
I'd love to add Branch, Curry or Chandler Jones in the 2nd if we could. I'm not a huge fan of Mercilus, i think he'll be a bust. Cam Johnson is mid round guy i'd like to add too.
Defensive Tackles:
Our DT's played pretty well this season i think. We NEED to resign Bunkley, i'd like Thomas back too. We still have Ty Warren under contract, but who knows what to expect from him. I'd love to add some more depth or a draft pick or 2 in the mix too.
Free Agents
Not a great group. Campbell won't leave Arizona, Jones is injury prone, Franklin was on the open market last year and we didnt get him. Soliai is an option i liked last year. Shaun Rogers is old, but could be a decent rotational guy. Red Bryant is a nice rotational guy too.
Draft
- Devon Still
- Fletcher Cox
- Jerel Worthy
- Dontari Poe
- Michael Brockers
- Brandon Thompson
- Josh Chapman
- Kawaan Short
- Marcus Forston
- Derek Wolfe
Pretty decent group i think. Still is the best of the group and would be a solid 1st round pick for us. I don't know much about Cox right now, Worthy is an option in the 1st-2nd round. Poe is a guy i really like, Huge and athletic. Brockers is a guy who will rise up the charts quickly i think, he's my favorite DT in this class right now, but i doubt he's around for our pick. Chapman is a guy i'd like to add in the 2nd-3rd round. Wolfe is a late round guy who is a great pass rusher, could be a steal for someone.
Linebackers
Von is a stud. He needs to get better in the run game and used more properly i think. Teams took advantage of us just using him on the edge and running on his side alot. Needs to get better in the run game, and better in coverage, but that will all come in time. He had a great rookie campaign. DJ had a solid year, but was inconstant as always, had some great hits and great plays, but had lots of missed tackles, games where he was invisible and still sucks in coverage.
Joe Mays get a paragraph all to himself, and usually that's a good thing, but this time, it isnt. He was the weak link in our front 7. Whiffed many tackles, is terrible in coverage(did anyone see us put him on Gronk last night?!) He's a great special teamer, but shouldnt be starting. He's a poor fit in Fox's 4-3 D. He's a Free Agent and probably won't be back.
Nate Irving needs a solid offseason. The often forgotten about third round pick will hopefully step up and start in 2012. I hope the Broncos bring back team captain Wesley Woodyard. Love the guys energy and wish we started him more.
Free Agents:
- Curtis Lofton
- Stephen Tulloch
- Dan Connor
- London Fletcher
- D'Qwell Jackson
- David Hawthorne
- Rocky McIntosh
Not a great group. Loften and Tulloch will be resigned by there current teams. I could see Connor being added, Jackson would be a solid signing. London Fletcher is old, but still great and a tackling machine. Hawthorne and McIntosh would be solid depth signings.
Draft:
- Zach Brown
- Ronnell Lewis
- Bruce Irvin
- Keenan Robinson
- Luke Kuechly
- Donta Hightower
- Vontaze Burfict
- Audie Cole
A strong group i think. Zach Brown is one of my favorite prospects in this draft. Reminds me alot of Von, but a more well rounded linebacker. Lewis is another guy i like. Kuechly is going to be a stud, probably will be gone before we pick. Im starting to like Hightower alot, not sure he fits a 4-3 though. Burfict i want no part of, and Cole is a guy i like alot too, but idk if he would be a good fit.
Cornerbacks
Champ had another champ year. Not tested much, and when he was tested, did a good job. Andre Goodman had a few big INT's this year, but the bad plays greatly out weighed the good ones. Chris Harris an Undrafted rookie had a solid year for a young guy. We need to upgrade the position though
Free Agents:
- Brent Grimes
- Carlos Rogers
- Cortland Finnegan
- Brandon Carr
- Tracy Porter
- Terrell Thomas
- Marcus Trufant
- Richard Marshall
- Rashean Mathis
- Aaron Ross
- Jason Allen
A very deep free agent class. I'd love to get Finnegan, tough, crazy guy who is a douche, but i'd love him on my team. Rogers, Carr, Mathis, Ross, and Trufant would be some cheaper but solid additions too
Draft:
- Alfonzo Dennard
- Chase Minnifield
- Jayron Hosely
- Stephon Gilmore
- Trumaine Johnson
- Brandon Boykin
- Casey Heyward
- Shaun Prater
Obviously i didnt put the top 2 on the list because they both will be gone by the time we pick. Dennard is a guy i really like. Minnifield is another option. Johnson and boykin would be a interesting option in the mid rounds too.
Safety
Our safety position is the weakest link on this team. Carter earned a starting spot next year. He can play Free Safety and also as a in the box safety. Dawkins will retire, and who knows what we will get from Moore. Wasnt a fan of the pick in the first place, and he really stunk it up this year. Hopefully he comes back strong next year. We still need to address the safety position this offseason
Free Agents:
- LaRon Landry
- Michael Griffen
- Chris Harris
- Tyvon Branch
- Dashon Goldson
Okay i have to say it. GO GET LARON LANDRY!. I don't care the price, get the guy. He's an elite safety and will instantly upgrade our defense, and we'll have someone who can cover a Tightend. If we miss out on him, Goldson would be another guy i'd like. Had a great game against the saints yesterday/ Branch and Griffen would also be nice options.
Draft:
- Markelle Martin
- Aaron Henry
- Robert Lester
- George Lloka
- Mark Barron
- Antonio Allen
- Harrison Smith
Outside of Barron, no one on this list sticks out to me. I'd rather not draft another safety, we have 2 young guys already. Sign someone with experience, or go big and get Landry
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Great post Scotty
and a great summary of team needs. I agree with most other than not addressing the O Line. I think it was clear last night that upgrading a spot or two on our O-Line couldn’t hurt, at least add some quality depth.
I’d like EFX to just draft BPA because we have needs all over the field. I wouldn’t mind targeting Cordy Glenn at 25 but just so many needs. I voted MLB however is our biggest need.
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by Idaho Nate on Jan 15, 2012 11:05 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks man.
i want us to address the OL, but just add some veteran depth. We have a young OL, would like them to grow with each other
BPA is the way to go, but have to have a plan in what we want to upgrade. MLB might be a huge need. Really depends on the development of Irving,
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
Great post! I appreciate the effort.
I’m not a McCoy fan either. I don’t know what can be done about it. After yesterday’s terrible gameplan on offense I’m more suspicious that Elway is to credit for adding pressure to McCoy/Fox against the Steelers. We can’t expect Elway to beg “pull the trigger” every week!
I don’t see McCoy going anywhere unfortunately. I don’t expect he’ll be a serious candidate elsewhere, as his offenses have looked anemic his whole career. We can and will improve our team via draft/FA/having an offseason, but equally important is McCoy work his butt off getting better too. He gets a pass from a lot of fans and observers because of changing the offense to fit Tebow, but his record as an offensive mind was shot full of holes while Orton was here the last few years. I wish we had someone on the staff that had a record of developing QB’s because Tebow needs it and because QB is still the most important position on the field. McCoy doesn’t make his QB’s better, just the opposite IMO. I guess we’ll have to depend on Elway developing Tebow in offseason and then divine intervention to change McCoy’s gameplanning skills.
Yeah, like i said i want him gone, doubt he goes anywhere.
I’d love to get Rick Dennison here. Bring the zone running scheme with the bootleg and roll out and get tebow into space and let him do his thing.
I wish Kubiak was fired last year so we could have brought him back home. His offense fits Tebow perfectly
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
Tebow is most effective on the run, and the fact that McCoy didn’t use that more is an indictment on his gameplanning, especially considering our mediocre pass blocking. He also is terrible at setting up his passing game early for future success. The only way McCoy will be gone is if he gets fired because no one else really wants him.
Yeah, i hope he gets a college job or something
his creativity with tebow was lacking. Tebow has mobility and throws better on the run, yet all we did was use him in the pocket.
If he stays, i just hope for much more improvement next year. I’m holding out hope for Dennison
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Teams forced Tebow to stay in the pocket
They weren’t straight up running at him. They were creating a bubble around him.
To beat Tim Tebow you gotta do the opposite to what you would do to Tom Brady. With Brady you need to pressure him up the gut and force him outside. With Tebow you create a bubble around him and force him inside the pocket. We can say that McCoy should’ve moved him around more and yeah that is true but defenses were also forcing our hand by not allowing Tebow outside the pocket. Why do you think outside option plays didn’t work last night.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
I hate doing that outside option game...we should have used our TE's a little more or RB's in the middle of the field.
The 2 TE and 2 WR offense is going to be hard for Tebow to do things. The 2 TE’s stay into block, that means it’s only Thomas and Decker/Royal out there. Need to give him more option than that
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
Like Shanny and Kubiak had to do with Jake Plummer
Lots of bootlegs to take advantage of his skill set, let Tebow roll out of the pocket and make plays on the run, i think this would also help out the pass protection which was the biggest struggle for Denver’s young offensive line last season.
About McCoy
I’m afraid that replacing him sets Tebow back to square one in his development. The kid is coming along slowly and giving him a whole new system to learn worries me. I’d say our vanilla play calling had more to do with the fact that we don’t have the talent on offense to run much else.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Jan 16, 2012 7:21 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Not only that but McCoy was using Josh McDaniels playbook this year,
so when the playbook changes this off season, everything will be fine.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Jan 18, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
I too am not a huge McCoy fan either but...
even the best of game plans can go terribly wrong if there is no execution. I think our last two games were prime examples. If you would have just watched our victory over the Steelers, you would have had to applaude the coaches for their efforts and thought they were the best coaches around. If you would have just watched the terrible beating we took from the Partriots, you would have wondered if these guys have ever coached an NFL game before in their lives.
Our biggest problem is inconsistancy. That goes for every position on the field. The O line for example against Pittsburg did an incredible job at giving Timmy the time to make throws and gave the receivers time to get open. Against the Patriots, Timmy was getting hit before he even had a chance to look up field. RBs were getting hit in the backfield because the line was getting blown away. With such inconsistancies it is hard for ANY coach to make the right game plan or even to adjust stratagies to compensate for weaknesses in a gameplan. The answer to this is practice and more practice together. I dont hold that against McCoy. I think he had a very difficult job this year and did a respectable job, eventhough I didnt agree with him a lot of the time.
I voted for CB but I could have just as easily voted for Safety position. I think our weakest point was the DBs. Even on their best days, they didnt perform to the standards that should be expected. A few of them did okay on specific days but none of them really had great days. With the exception of Champ and Dawkins (who is iffy for next year), I think all of the DB postions could use some strength and depth to help balance out our D. A great defensive leader would go a long way.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
Voted for Safety
mainly because, neither of them are great, and is probably the ultimate reason we got bounced last night. If you had said middle linebacker though, I would have voted for that. 2/3 of the line backing corps was all-pro this year, Joe Mays… not so much. Also WR we have a lot of #2 or #3 receivers but no legit #1, So I think we need to upgrade there. Coaching, I want someone who will utilize the play-action better with Tebow, I don’t want to see any more play-action drop backs. He either needs to bootleg on them, or do quick 12 yard posts on them. He is not a drop back passer, so stop pretending like he is one. That doesn’t mean he is not good though. I just feel they aren’t using him to his full potential.
Depth and upgrades are need over most of the roster.
However, finding elite talent trumps both so with that in mind the number 1 need areas are: a pocket collapsing DT, MLB, an earth grader OLman, and another banger at RB (would love to see a bell ringing RB to go along with that). There are still major questions marks at offensive center (I’m talking at least the potential for elite) and perhaps guard, meaning Beadles. If our run game is to truly dictate this is paramount. Remembering the SB years I would love to see that bell ringing FB mentioned above. These are the primary needs for our O in this poster’s view.
Defensively I think we may have some people capable of being coached into a more than serviceable upgrade at safety and CB but would love to find 21’s successor. The biggest need I see on D is someone that can make stepping up in the pocket a crowed and dangerous proposition. With Doom and Miller coming off the edge the combination could be trans-formative opening up improved play across the D. The D needs more improvement than the O in my opinion with MLB being right behind a pocket collapsing DT. I would take an elite player at either position whether that be FA or Draft, hopefully both will be filled by one or the other.
The overall read is we are putting some VERY solid pieces together and are not that far away from building that perennial contender we all covet. I’m happy with this year and totally looking forward to next.
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Nice post man. Rec'd of course.
One scenario:
1st – Mark Barron SS
2nd – Josh Chapman DT
3rd – Brandon Boykin CB
4th – Ryan Broyles WR
Free Agency
Peyton Hillis RB
John Carlson TE
D’Qwell Jackson MLB
Re-sign our key players.
Thanks man
I’d be happy with that offseason. I’d like a faster RB added somewhere though, we lack the homerun threat
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
And you will
change it. Over and over and over.LOL.
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Do you think Johnson could come in as the change-of-pace back?
He’s got some wheels on him, it seems.
Keep McGahee, Moreno, and Johnson
dump Ball, sign Hillis as a free agent and look for some good value in the middle rounds of the draft.
Those of you who think we are drafting S
interested to know why, since it’s a terrible waste of an investment a year ago. We may draft one late, but with a first round pick? Might be a bit of a stretch. Broncos drafted Moore in the 2nd round and they are not giving up on him after one year. I think free agency is the much, MUCH more likely route than drafting Barron in the first round. In fact, I would bet against that happening at this point, but they could because you just never know.
I think we’re overlooking the offense here. The Broncos have young talent offensively, but only a couple of players. If I had to pick guys to keep around from the offense this year, it’d be our OL, Tebow, McGahee, Thomas, Decker, and Royal. Everyone else can go or be role players. Everything else is fair game. McGahee is not going to be a featured back for much longer, if even at all next year. Thomas looks like he is going to be a stud, but Decker and Tebow could not get on the same page and Royal has been….let’s call it inconsistent as a receiver. He struggles mightily to get open.
I think a RB in the first round is not only realistic, it’s probably one of our top 3 need positions. Ball, Johnson, Moreno all might not even be with the team next year. I would keep Moreno around but who knows if he’s done enough to earn a spot with this new regime.
The Broncos have depth defensively but some of us are already putting too much stock in the New England games. Draft picks will NOT fix what happened against new England. You will have to go out like Houston did and pick up some stud defenders in free agency to build this defense with. LaRon Landry would be the PERFECT addition for the Dennis Allen defense. If we could get him and pair him with Moore or Carter for the future, I think we’d be looking good. I’d be happy if we got Mark Barron, but it’s too many assets in the same place. You have to get talent offensively, and I think we could use a serious boost at RB and WR.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Um...
Barron plays SS while Carter and Moore are FS’s. Barron would be used more like Dawkins, completely different than Carter and Moore. It’s like saying we wouldn’t draft a MLB early because we drafted a SLB early last year. They are two completely different positions.
Everyone keeps talking about Laron Landry. While I love the player, do any of you guys even know about his injury concern? Google it and let me know if you still want to break the bank on him. Very big gamble.
I’m all for offense. I’m not setting this mock in stone, they are just players I like.
Carter is more of a SS but can play both
Barron would be a nice pick, but i agree that it would be too much in one spot.
Teams will check in on his injury status come free agency. I didnt know his injury history was that bad. If healthy id offer him a contract that protects the team if he gets hurt
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
It's funny though...
Both of you suggest that Barron would be an overinvestment in the safety position. However, you both entertain the idea of making a gigantic investment in Laron Landry. An investment in the draft and an investment in free agency is still an investment, isn’t it?
Well with Landry we know what we're getting.
I’d rather go all in with a proven product instead of drafting another safety early and hoping he works out.
I’d be okay with Barron, but i’d rather see how Carter and Moore pan out before drafting another Safety. A talent like Landry doesnt come around often, and if healthy i’d go after him
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
I would prefer
to spend my money on positions of need. If you don’t perceive Safety to be a position of need, spend money elsewhere.
I think safety is a huge area of need
The question is, does EFX view it as a need? If so do they go and draft a guy or sign a proven guy?
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
The safety position will be addressed in FA imo since BDawk might be done and Bruton is nothing more than a STs and sub...
Quinten Carter’s 23 reps of 225lbs might suggest that he will become our SS of the future. Rahim Moore was drafted to be our FS but has had a hard time adjusting the NFL speed. IMO Carter will be a great player one day…
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Picks/Money
Very different investments. Would rather spend money than a high pick on the weakest position in the draft, arguably. That’s just my opinion.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 15, 2012 8:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't say Draft
Especially with guys potentially available such as Denard(CB) Miller(RB) Wright(WR). But adding a guy like Laron Landry or Michael Griffin, would do wonders for this already improving defense.
by Tony Astorino on Jan 15, 2012 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
Like the Texans though, the broncos need bigger DTs.
I like Bunkley, he’s a stud but only 6’3. When I watch the Texans, the one thing they’re really good at is batting the ball down. JJ Watt might be the best in the NFL at that. To have someone like that would have helped the bronocs against Brady. He was able to look over the DTs and not worry about getting batted down. I say go get Worthy because he is good at that. Even if they don’t bat the ball down, it’ll cause the QB to hestiate. With pass rushers like Dumervil and Miller, that’s all it takes. I think that’s where the broncos missed Big Vick. He was good at that last year and got pick because of that.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 16, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
Great post. The path to taking a big-time leap as a team is pretty clear. MLB, DT, CB, RB, and maybe one spot on the offensive line. Improve at those five positions through free agency and the draft and the Broncos will be in prime position to defend their division championship. Yes, it might leave holes at safety, TE and maybe WR, but they have young talent at all of those positions. They need to coach them up this offseason. By the time training camp comes around, Carter, Moore, Julius and DT and Decker should all be much better players.
My preference would be to get Finnegan in free agency, maybe a veteran OG to replace Beadles, then draft MLB, RB and DT in the first three rounds (not necessarily in that order). If they resign Bunk and Marcus Thomas, they could look for a pass rusher (out of those you mentioned, I’d look at Vinny Curry in the second round) instead.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Jan 15, 2012 12:35 PM MST reply actions
I'd address Safety somewhere too.
I’d love to get finnegan too. I thought Beadles did well this season, i’d look at an upgrade at center before guard.
Vinny Curry is a favorite of mine, but ultimately i think he goes much higher because he’ll be a good edge rusher in a 3-4
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Excellently Great post , sir !!
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Another FA receiver that would be awesome would be..
Malcolm Floyd I believe he would be a great fit.
Good read and nice broad stroke to get us started
The MLB FA list looks nice to me. If we like Irving at all, sign Fletcher or another older (cheaper) solid tackler for 1st and maybe 2nd down. If we do not like Irving’s prospects, pay a stud or draft one in the early rounds. I would prefer to sign a known commodity (even if a little older) then drafting one. MLB was a bigger weakness than the Dline imo.
RB is the position we can improve the easiest. I would draft 2 of them. One in the 2nd or 3rd and one in the 5th or 6th. I don’t like spending a 1st or big money on RB’s, but we must upgrade, so I’m open. Bless Willis, and he was a great signing, but he is all but done. Moreno will come to camp and have earn a roster spot with the disadvantage of a larger cap # than some of his competitors. Ball is below average.
When we pick early, we can take the BPA at any position except QB and OLB.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
Right now the conundrum of free agency is not knowing how the players/teams feel about each other...
Sure we can say…Let’s sign London Fletcher, but what if he wants to stay in Skinstown and the they want to keep him? It’s way too early to be looking at free agency…Not until word is out that the player will definitely explore the FA or the team doesn’t want to persue him…
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For sure. Its nice to see the list of whose contract is up and start putting together plan A's and B's.
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I would agree with some things
1. Yes, sign Landry, he can start for the next 6 to 7 years, I think McCoy is more than safe. You don’t get interest as a HC canidate if you aren’t tbashat good of an OC, at some point, Tebow has to make those throws on a consistent basis. You said Decker fell off, I disagree, I think teams understood he was Tebow’s primmary target so they rolled coverages to him, and if you don’t get the ball thrown to you or accurately on a consistent basis, there is litlle the dude can do. The success of the WR is dependent on the QB. Look at what Brady has done with his WR, they do awesome in NE, then leave and stink.
I agree that our O-line needs an upgrade and we need a couple of decent RB, would love to see Hillis and maybe Polk. Cut Moreno and keep JJ as you option/speed guy.
Also agree that our DT group played decent, but they need a guy who can dominate, not sure if that guy is in the draft or free agency this season, but would like Cambell (home town kid) to get a shot.
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I don't know how you can look at all of those drops....
…and say Decker didn’t fall off. He is supposed to have great hands. He didn’t.
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I don't remember Hernadez having trouble holding on to the passes Tim threw to him at UF. Lets face it, Hernadez is a great TE and it doesn't hurt that it is Brady that is throwing to him now.
To be fair to our WRs they are also very young and inexperienced. For all practical purposes DT was a Rookie and Tim and Decker did not get the off season with coaches. Once Llyod was released, Royal became the most experienced WR. I would like to get both a veteran safety since it not likely that Dawks returns and a veteran WR to come in and help develop our young guys. I think DT can be a beast and Decker could turn into a very reliable number 2. Time, good coaching and a lot of practice together should help
The continuity between Tebow and Decker clearly wasn't there and Eddie Royal too had his struggles at times during the season.
We’ll see if there is progression in the fall.
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Let's not forget that Mario Fannin is a guanity/quality unknown...His 4.36 40 speed isn't anything to sneeze at at 231lbs.
Knowshon Moreno comes pretty cheap now tha most of his original contract has been paid out, so why cut him? Use him up and digard him when the time comes, and his 4th season might be the breakout we’ve been looking for. IMO there will be 3-4 RBs brought in to compete and try to unseat Lance Ball and Jerimiah Johnson.
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Fannin is way to overrated by alot of us on here
He went undrafted and tore his ACL, and he was already injury prone. His prospects of making the team are slim. If he isnt 100% by camp, i doubt he lasts
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
That's why I said he is an unknown and it's too bad with the speed he possesses...
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Right that wasnt directed at you haha
I just see people on here anointing Fannin as our 3rd string RB, just puzzles me how everyone is so high on a guy that went undrafted, tore his ACL and was in camp for a week
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
I can't speak for everyone else...
…but I like him for the exact OPPOSITE reason as to why I like Tebow. Fannin has the tangibles – prototypical height, a little on the heavier side but all muscle, and a ridiculous 40 time.
Basically, he runs like an elusive speed back, but with the size and grit of a power runner. He catches the ball well out of the backfield, and has stellar vision. Here are some highlights
There's a reason he went undrafted
i like him, i just think you all are expecting too much from an undrafted rookie who had a major injury
by Scotty Payne on Jan 16, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not expecting anything from him...
… I just want to see what he can do. :)
There’s been this intrigue in my mind about this guy because of the combination of speed, size, vision, and ball-catching ability. I don’t know if it will translate to success for Fannin, but I’d really like to see him have the opportunity to try.
Plus, the story line of UFA/late-round draft pick to superstar is an alluring one; we’ve had TD be that guy once, Rod Smith did it again, and it would be amazing to have another one in Fannin. Not so much an expectation as a dream, but I digress. :)
I think we'd all like to see what he can do
The point is, seeing it…and he needs to stay healthy for that. Injuries are a bear…
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Nice H-bizzle.
Looks better than Ball or Johnson that’s for sure.
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That’s what I’m thinking. Hopefully he can get over this injury bug!
Yeah him and Moreno both.
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I still want a RB in the draft.
McGahee is getting old.
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I just hope that Fannin still gets a shot, even if we get RB through the draft.
Yeah.
Have you looked up anything about Xavier Omon yet? I haven’t.
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Only a little bit...
From what I gather he’s just been jumping practice squads after his stint with the Bills when he was a 6th rounder.
Draft to your strengths, but address need through free agency.
If it’s truly a need, you can’t wait for a draft pick to develop, unless its a freakish athlete like Von. We need football IQ in the middle. Middle linebacker, strong safety, penetrating DT. Get that in free agency along with another starting quality corner. Then draft a runner, a pass catching T.E to keep drives alive on 3rd , some O line depth and another developmental DT. Pick up a cheap free agent backup QB, keep the staff and work hard on fundamentals and by that I mean the TT needs to learn to find open receivers, because they are there, he just isn’t hitting them, the receivers need to learn to hang on to the ball and the D needs to go back yo fundamentals with tackling. How many times has the D been in the right place to kill a drive and then just plain whiffed on the tackle? I lost count.
Makes sense.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 16, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
I think re-signing Brodrick Bunkley and Marcus Thomas is a must.
Ryan McBean showed some progression this season, but becoming a Defensive Tackle starter is still a long ways off, he’s here for depth only at this point. I’m not sure if it was a good idea to go after Ty Warren but we did. Belichick is the Master at using players up and letting them go or get draft picks for them of value and then the player fails somewhere else. Kevin Vickerson is another enigma for me, as he lost so much weight in the offseason. I believe it was reported that he took it upon himself to do so to try and gain some speed for the new 4/3 scheme. IDK? That’s 4 DTs we have not counting Unrein and I don’t see too much in that young man. DE/DT Ben Garland is waiting in the wings fulfilling his commitment with the Air Force Academy. I have no idea how he will fit in nor does anybody else.
At the beginning of free agency last year we had Amobi Okoye DT cut from Houston in the house. He opted to sign with the Bears for a one year deal. He is a young DT still raw and learning his trade, but Chicago saw enough of him to try and re-sign the 24 year old. Okoye is very intellegent as he was one of the youngest college players ever at age 16. Developing DTs is an arduous task and sometimes it takes 3-4 years to get them fully acclaimated to the NFL and certain systems. I think Okoye will explore his options before making a commitment at this time, but I may be wrong…
The Bears have reportedly explored a multi-year contract extension with Amobi Okoye.Okoye, signed after being released by the Texans in July, has been primarily used in a rotation with Henry Melton as a “three-technique” and projects as an ideal fit in Chicago’s 4-3 scheme. The former top-ten pick’s four sacks this season are the second highest total of his five-year career. Dec 16 – 8:47 AM
Our Defensive End position is an area coach John Fox will address in my humble opinion. Robert Ayers has become a popular choice by some of the more acquainted analyst and he has made some, but I’m not convinced he is the guy. Having 2 stellar pass rushers fits what Fox/Allen want to bring. Pressure from different angles and Von Miller will be relegated to learning his position (SOLBer) in the offseason. Miller will get his opportune sacks playing his position as there will be times when he can use his skills of eliteness from the outside blitz. Ayers on the otherhand will never be that ‘elite’ pass rushing and thinking different is only wishful thinking imo, so getting one this year is a must if we are to have an outstanding ‘Front 7’. Think Mathis/Freeney they’ve done it for years. Now this brings me to my point on the LDE position. You stated that you thought DE Whitney Mercilus would be a ‘bust’ and I want to know why you feel that way. Is it because he had a break out year? That he will most likely be labeled as a ‘one-year-wonder’? It is true that he walked away from his previous two years of lack luster performances to become the nation’s leading sack maker at 18 in 2011. Every year players in college step up from the previous years and go on to have outstanding NFL careers. Mercilus is foregoing his senior year to go through the draft to help support his parents who by the way are from Haiti just lik our great Elvis Dumervil…
Mercilus had a remarkable year for the Fighting Illini, tying Simeon Rice’s single-season record and leading the nation with 16 sacks. He also forced nine fumbles on the season, breaking Illinois and Big Ten records and ranking as the second-most in NCAA history. His 22.5 tackles for loss in 2011 led the Big Ten, rank second in the nation and third in the Illinois record book. Mercilus earned consensus first-team All-America honors, the first Illini to do so since linebacker J Leman in 2007, won the Hendricks Award as the nation’s top defensive end and was named the College Football Performance Awards National Defensive Player of the Year. A 2011 season captain for the Fighting Illini, Mercilus helped Illinois to its second-straight winning season and a victory over UCLA in Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. He also led an Illinois defense that ranks in the top-10 nationally in total defense, passing defense, sacks and tackles for loss. Mercilus is the seventh Illini in the last five years to enter the draft with eligibility remaining. The previous six all were taken in the first three rounds. – Illinois football
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I wanted us to sign Okoye badly last year. He would be a solid addition
i also believe DE is a position EFX will look at. I need to see more of Mercilus before i get sold on him.
I really like the idea of going after Vinny Curry in the draft. I do think they will look at Robert Mathis too.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
MLBer is another must imo, but I don't know if there is one I'd take early in the draft as none are elite imo.
Haven’t looked too much into free agency yet, because a lot of teams try to keep those guys and will pay them.
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Kuechly and Hightower are the 2 best i think
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
If Kuechly (Keetly prnounced I think) and Hightower have any salt at all they'll be gone by 25.
MLBer is one of the most important positions of the defense. Nate Irving imo struggled because of no offseason. Playing his position takes on a lot more responsibility than most folks think and having a Linebacker coach who is great at teaching those skills is very important. Linebackers coach Richard Smith has at least 23 years of coaching experience and spent 3 years as defensive coordinator at Houston (2006-2008) before joing Fox at Carolina. We’ll see how he handles the LBers in the offseason and who we draft or acquire in FA…
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Kuechly will be long gone before our pick
Hightower might be there still though
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
great post, but a few thoughts on LB
first, you left a great prospect of your board in Sean Spence (Miami). Now, obviously im a bit of a Canes homer, so i would suggest him, but outside of that the kid is a stud. Started all 4 years at MLB, flies to the ball, has great instincts, and can hit. Watching him year after year, if he wasnt in the backfield making a tackle, its because the team was punting.
second, on Vontaze Burfict. While i can see the obvious reasons to not want to touch him, hes not overall a bad guy. He plays extremely hard and loves to hit, which in the college game is not a good thing. He had a down year this past year because he was trying to not end up with so many penalties, so he held himself back. hes an absolute beast, and his game is more suited for the NFL than college. I would see no reason not to give him a look if he is there (provided of course his combine goes well). having him in the middle of miller and doom would just be nasty.
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by Lt. Philip Nolan on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Sean Spence at 224 is a Will LBer...
I couldn’t understand why ASU benched Burfict for the BoiseSt game? I was wanting to see what he had.
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i think several of the young players on this team, espesecially some of the rookies, struggled
due to the lack of an offseason program to help the transition to the NFL, i can’t imagine it being an easy thing to do for anyone.
I don't think Hightower can cover though.
I like that he is 6’4 260, but he pass coverage skills were never really exposed because of the 3-4. It’s hard to find a MLB that can cover well.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 16, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
He'll end up on a 3-4 teams
Jets or Ravens will take him. Both need ILB help
by Scotty Payne on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
Mercilus also had '9' forced fumbles just one shy of the NCAA record of 10!
He has long arms just like Doom which gives him leverage against blockers and is a runningbacks nightmare when they try to go through his gaps…
Mercilus entered the season with just two career sacks, but his departure after a monster season didn’t come as a surprise following the firing of Ron Zook and with defensive coordinator and interim head coach Vic Koenning declining an offer to stay on as coordinator. “I’m very proud of Whitney for the amount of work he put in to be in this position,” defensive line coach Keith Gilmore said in a statement. “He really matured during the season and became a terrific leader not only for the defensive line, but for the entire defense.” – NFLDraftScout.com
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Plus, if we added Mercilus...
…imagine the fun we could have with wordplay….Mercilus Doom…DMV
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 16, 2012 8:36 AM MST up reply actions
offensive targets
I’m curious what you all think. Seems like DT has the potential to be a big #1 WR. Especially after a full off season and a healthy start. What about Julius Thomas after a full off season and healthy start? Seems like that could be two great targets to start with going into next year. I think we need a bigger slot receiver and a Doug Martin type RB, providing another target out of the backfield. I like Knomo but he is not durable and can not be depended on to make a SB run.
What do you all think….especially about JT?
I don't know what to expect from JT
This offseason will give us a good feeling about JT. If they don’t get an upgrade at the position, we’re moving forward with JT, If not, well then looks like JT might not be working out. Fells is and Rosario are Free Agents, so maybe next year we move forward with Green and Thomas?
Doug Martin would be a nice pickup. Im one of the people who want to take a back in round 1. Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Polk are the trio to keep an eye on.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
I think we have to get some more
beef and speed. WE got faster and will get faster when our two CB’s come off IR but Goodman and Mays make our D very slow. Watching the games today and the Patriots last night has shown me we need much more from our DT’s than run stuffers. These guys are making impacts on almost every pass play by getting pressure in the QB’s face. Not sure what the best route is to get those type of players as I am a big fan of getting the best player regardless of position in the draft.
Goodman is actually quite fast, He's just not a good corner anymore.
We do need some more muscle and speed though. Or a combo of both. Another good Linebacker, another DE, a legit hard hitting safety.
Speed at WR and RB would be nice too.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 15, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
It's obvious we need...
a great motivational leader right smack in the middle of our defense, a Patrick Willis or Al Wilson type to be the captain of the defense. I hope Irving develops, and I hope we address some of our needs in Free Agency like Safety to go with Carter (Landry would be great!)…if there is not a BPA that is a MLB, DT or Cb at pick 25, I’d trade down into the 2nd round and take the best player on their boards at MLB, DT and CB as they come with three 2nd round picks…(1 from trading back and one from trading up). Then the remaining rounds I’d look for a great pass blocking RT and move Franklin to Guard for a beast of an OL and more OL and DL depth. I’d keep Moreno and hope he shows and Jeremiah Johnson…and go get another bruiser in the 5th Round (or re-acquire Hillis)… I’d seek out a proven WR in the draft for #2 or #3 and keep Royal for 4th WR and punt return duty..maybe keep Willis for 5th WR. For TE I’d elevate Thomas and Green and start them, but keep Fells (he earned it)…
I think...
Royal is gone unless he signs for cheap
I definately want Woody back
Weapon X won’t be back
Please no to VY as back-up QB
I want a stud RB, CB, DT, WR, S, pick-up this offseason (I’m not asking for much)
I think Quinn might re-sign for a reasonable price, he doesn’t seem to mind the role of back-up (maybe he just recognizes his ceiling)
I was strange to me that Irving never broke in to the rotation this year
We definately need to use our TEs more, otherwise pull them and get another lineman
I think not havign a healthy FB really hurt us down the stretch
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 16, 2012 4:40 AM MST reply actions
Me too.
I was strange to me that Irving never broke in to the rotation this year
Particularly after Mays’ inadequacies were so clearly evident.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 16, 2012 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
I don't
think Mays’ inadequacies were in the leadership department though and so it’s a fine line to pull a leader and put a rookie in.
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Great post and rec'd
I’m drooling at the prospect of bringing in a couple of those big name DB’s. Let’s see if EFX are willing to make this happen.
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Great post.
I keep forgetting that, if I’m Fox and Elway, it might have been easy for me to “blow off” the 2011 season back in July. New coaching staff. No OTAs. And yet we won the division and made the playoffs. It’s amazing, really.
My point is, it seems unfair to give up on some of these kids already. We really don’t know enough about Irving, Carter and Moore yet.
Anyway, a few thoughts…I think your lists are really comprehensive (good job), but I’d add Jerry Franklin to the list MLBs. He’s going to start shooting up boards and I’d love to see him here.
Oh, and Chris Polk sucks. ;)
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 16, 2012 8:49 AM MST reply actions
Yeah way to early to give up on them
but if they’re not performing in OTA’s, they may look elsewhere. I expect a veteran signing at both positions though.
I’ll look him up!
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by Scotty Payne on Jan 16, 2012 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for compiling it.
As it was reading over the list of FAs, I realized one of my main hopes in this off-season is that the Broncos don’t bring in any nutbergers.
Vince Young? Squirrel-bait. DeSean Jackson? I’ll pass. Vontaze Burfict? No thanks.
I might be wrong, but I think this team’s chemistry is on the verge of being something really special (maybe it already is). One thing we don’t need is a Santonio Holmes screwing everything up.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 16, 2012 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah i want no part of young
I could deal with Jackson, at least he’s a playmaker. Burfict is too much of a risk for me. If he’s there in the 2nd, maybe, But i’d rather stick with Irving and see what he can do
by Scotty Payne on Jan 16, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
Please no more arrests
this offseason. No stalkers and rapers please.
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Awesome post.
Great points, great suggestion, great evulations.
I’d just a DT prospect I like (and will likely be available on the 3rd): Jared Crick, Nebraska
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I like Crick, but he seems more of a 3-4 player
He’s listed as 6’4 285. Sounds more of a 3 Tech DE then a 5 Tech DT. I could be wrong, just going by measurable’s right now
by Scotty Payne on Jan 16, 2012 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
#1 priority. Tim Tebow mUST improve passing
It is more important than ever to have a talented starting quarterback if you plan on being a consistant competitive team. The three worst passing defenses of 2011 are in the playoffs only because they are also the top three passing offenses in the league.
This story appears in the Dec. 26 issue of ESPN The Magazine.
BILL WALSH ALWAYS BELIEVED that pro football should evolve into a game played primarily through the air. Now, nearly a quarter century after the legendary 49ers coach introduced the West Coast offense, Walsh’s pass-happy vision is becoming reality. Through Week 13, NFL quarterbacks were completing 20.5 passes per game, tied for most all-time, and teams were averaging 230.1 passing yards per game, destroying the previous mark of 221.6 that was set just last year. In 1978, the year before Walsh took over the 49ers, teams averaged 158.8 passing yards per game.
So why are these records under fire? One obvious answer is the lockout. As a result of the shortened preseason, run-blocking was atrocious in the first month of the season, the worst I’ve seen in my nine years of analyzing tape of every NFL game. Take the Titans, for example: Behind a revamped run-blocking scheme (O-coordinator Chris Palmer switched Tennessee from man-to-man to zone blocking), the Titans averaged a paltry 2.4 yards per carry in their first three games. Chris Johnson, the league’s top rusher last year, managed only 98 yards on 46 carries (2.1 ypc) in September. That forced Tennessee to turn loose veteran QB Matt Hasselbeck, who is on pace for his first 3,500-yard season since 2007. Eventually, the Titans’ run game (4.4 ypc since September) caught up with the pass offense, and Tennessee emerged as a playoff contender.
Year of the Quarterback
ESPN has dedicated 2011 to examining one of the most crucial positions in all of sports — the quarterback.
Year of the QB "
The shortened preseason also handcuffed defensive coordinators. It’s much harder to scheme complex blitzes and pass coverage than pure run defense, so most coaches employed vanilla play calls in the early going. That left all sorts of coverage creases that were expertly exploited by such teams as the Packers, Patriots and Saints, who boast superstar QBs and returned their top four receivers.
Another factor? Due to a rash of injuries among elite cornerbacks, receivers throughout the league are lining up against some sketchy defenders. Of my 10 highest-rated cornerbacks entering the year, only three (Ronde Barber, Darrelle Revis, Asante Samuel) have played in every game. No team has been hit harder by injuries than the Patriots, whose secondary is giving up an NFL-worst 310 yards per game, up from 259 in 2010. By Week 13, the Pats were starting Nate Jones, a safety they signed off the street, alongside wideout Matthew Slater, with punt returner/receiver Julian Edelman as their nickel back. And this is a surefire playoff team.
But the rise of the pass is not just due to short-term trends. It’s also the result of the passers themselves. The NFL will never have 32 franchise quarterbacks — there will always be a few Rex Grossmans and Tarvaris Jacksons — but the league has never had this many quality passers at the same time. Three QBs — Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers — have a chance to shatter Dan Marino’s single-season record of 5,084 passing yards, a hallowed mark that has stood for 26 years. Rodgers also has a shot at the records for single-season TD passes (50) and QB rating (121.1). Brees is a solid bet to become the first QB ever to complete 460 passes in a season.
The average NFL quarterback now produces 7.2 yards per pass attempt, which matches the best mark ever, set in 1983. A record eight passers — the big three, plus Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Cam Newton, Carson Palmer and the now-injured Matt Schaub — are racking up at least 8.0 yards per attempt. Overall, QBs are throwing about 8 percent more passes than back in 1983, yet the leaguewide interception rate of 2.9 percent is the second-lowest since the AFL-NFL merger. Think about that for a second: Despite more pass attempts, productivity is as high as it’s ever been, and mistakes are extremely low. That’d be like Darren Sproles maintaining his whopping 6.8 yards per carry and zero fumbles per game while running it 20 times a game instead of the 5.3 times he does now.
Quarterbacks all over the league are lighting up the passing tree, executing everything from Walsh’s beloved dink-and-dunk scheme to the vertical attack championed by Sid Gillman and Don Coryell. Matthew Stafford could throw for 3,000 yards on short passes alone (10 yards or fewer). Rodgers boasts a perfect QBR on throws of 21 yards or more. Manning has already reached 1,000 yards on such passes, and Newton is on pace to do the same. Newton and fellow rookie Andy Dalton could become the first rookie QB duo to throw for 3,000 yards each.
Now just imagine if Newton and Dalton continue their remarkable progress. Imagine if college QBs Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III are as good as projected. Imagine if Peyton Manning returns next season at full strength.
Forget the Year of the Pass. Don’t be surprised if 2011 is Year One of the Decade of the Pass
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by DLMyers on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Tebow needs to be a better passer
Doesnt have to be an elite passer though. Look at the playoff teams. Alex Smith, Joe Flacco are both 1 game away from the super bowl. Neither are great passers.
We need to build a team around Tebow’s strengths, and also improve the play calling to some degree. Get a strong Defense and a strong running game with some weapons and Tebow should be fine.
Im excited to see how he improves this offseason.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Tim Tebow must improve his passing.
K got it. I think we got that in every single one of your other posts. Id like to see if those 3 QBs that broke Marino’s record would have been able to do that under 1984’s rules. Thats like Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa breaking Hank Aarons HR record without some help from PEDs and Corked bats. Barry Bonds too
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by Calikula on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
John Elway's career passing percentage was 56.8. Good but not elite by any standard...
5 Superbowls is enough for me though…And, if Timmy to get 54-56% I’d be happy with that with a solid run game.
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John Elway can thank Dan Reeves for that good but not elite standard.
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by KoloradoKaos on Jan 18, 2012 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
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If we can upgrade this position it will have the most impact on our defense. Middle LIinebacker is the key to any 4-3 defense. They typically relay the defensive call from the DC. They are one of the key guys against the run, especially up the middle. They provide support on runs outside and prevent cut backs (faster MLB’s will get to the outside and make plays when the DE or CB can’t turn it back inside.) Good MLB’s engage blockers and shed them to get to the ball carrier. Good MLB’s hit the gap and plug the hole where the running back wants to go. Good MLB’s avoid O-lineman trying to make blocks at the 2nd level. They cover tight ends. They pick up the running out of the backfield when the QB goes for the dump pass and limit it to only a few yards if any. They cover the middle of the field in the zone defense. Joe Mays didn’t do any of this consistently. He had a good play once in a while where he blew up the running back, but as the season progressed he became invisible. Upgrading the MLB will be the most bang for the buck in upgrading our defense.
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agreed
a stud is needed there to make this defense work right. More times than not this season, Dawk was used like a MLB…. diagnosing plays, communicating those plans to the rest of the D, and enforcing/dictating to the opposition. I love the guy, but I seriously doubt he can be relied on like this again… not as his age, regardless of whether he comes back or not.
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I think SS and MLB are our biggest need and we need people that are proven with experience. Go sign free agents or trade for those two positions.
Especially at SS where we do have 2 kids that can improve with good training. I hope Dawks stays, if not as a player, as a coach or something.
The other position of needs that can be found in the draft. The quality I want the guys to have includes:
A QB who can support the running game if Tebow gets hurt would be great.
We need bigger size at WR, TE and RB. We need players that can go catch the ball even if it’s not right on the money or even if it is in high-traffic. Thomas is great and Decker has potential, but after that, all or WRs are way to small to get the ball in high traffic. TEs were not used that much, hard to say where thos guys stand. If Tebow can trust his receivers to go get it (or at least ensure the D-back don’t pick the ball instead), it will help a lot. McGahee was great, but we ned someone that can push through the gaps for a yard or two everytime it is needed and that is younger.
O-line could use a better pass defence player. Although with our young core, I’m hoping the off-season will help them get much better and give Tebow an extra second or two to throw. He needs it. He didn’t have 2 seconds against the Pats and it killed us more then anything else.
D-line will depend on how we resign. We have to invest some money on our current roster because we don’t have 20 draft picks and those guys did a good job.
But ultimately, I hope we draft the best guy on the board everytime. We have plenty of holes to fill that we don’t need to draft for positions. And also, draft healthy players as much as possible. I don’t want to have to wait for half a rookie contract is over before a guy can prove himself (i.e. Thomas)
Great work once again Scotty
Wow, there are a lot of big-time FA’s this year. Who knows how many will actually escape their incumbent teams, but at least some of them will have to fall through the cracks.
I agree with most of the sentiment that the draft is meant to try to get the players that will potentially provide the most impact, with the position being somewhat secondary. 2011 draft was messed up due to the lockout, so the emphasis was placed more on position of need by more teams than usual. The free agent market is more ideal for positions of need, and to acquire veterans in places where youth is an overwhelming concern. That is why a veteran safety, or perhaps a great one like Landry, would stick out to me more than anything. I think getting a solid WR in FA would be important as well for this reason. Royal and Willis are essentially the same number 4 option, so I think Eddie is gone. VJax would be killer as a deep threat and a big body to boot. I don’t know how well he blocks, but its gotta be better than 170 pound DeSean. You nailed those right on the head I think.
As far as D-line goes, I would love to steal Red Bryant. He cannot be moved, and running up the middle would be very difficult. I am fine with drafting D-line; look at the Giants and how often they draft and sign D-line, and find a use for virtually all of them. The guys we had this year all did admirably for what was expected from them, and compared to what we are used to. However, looking at the teams in the playoffs, and taking a closer look at how disruptive most of those units are and how important it was to their success in the games, it is easy to see how much our team lacks there.
Right now, I don’t see much use in investing more in tight ends. This offense does not throw much on first and second downs, which seem to be the better downs to use TE’s in patterns, as they are used to help block pass rushers on the more intense 3rd downs.
Very interesting to see how it will play out.
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To me, the broncos need to sign an OC that will bring back the Mike Shanhan offense.
Tebow would benefit greatly going to that kind of offense. It allows the broncos to still run the ball and allows Tebow to move outside the pocket—bootleg it all day long. DT and Decker would benefit as well. The broncos should scrape the option attack. Tebow was not making good reads towards the end of the season. At times he was forcing the issue instead of just reading the defense. Also the option attack lead to more fumbles. I think it’s simple, do the Mike Shanhan offense. It was a top 5 offense for years. If Jake Plummer can have success with it, I don’t see why Tebow can’t have success.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM MST reply actions
Rick Dennison, Texans OC
He interviewed for the Head Coaching job. I’d take him. Bring back the zone running scheme and bootleg, play-action offense.
But i doubt McCoy gets fired, only way he leaves is if he gets a Head Coaching gig somewhere. A guy who is getting Head Coaching interviews doesnt get fired or replaced.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 16, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
DeSean Jackson would be the last FA I would sign. TOO much TO attitude
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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Love your posts Scotty.
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I think we will have to get WRs in the draft I don't see a good veteran WR wanting to come to Denver with the Option offense that we run
True.
Exactly why Royal won’t want to stay. not that I want him to.
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Great post... here's my thoughts. Our primary weaknesses this year were...
The Passing Game, Defending the pass/pressuring the QB, Rushing For TDs.
Every analyst and their mom would say we had one of the worst pass offenses in the league. Fox and Elway consistently said we have to get better there. Is the REAL answer just a passing QB???
Four Options to fix the Passing Game:
1. It’s the QB’s fault. I don’t buy this in the least, in fact I think Tim is one of the main reasons we made the run that we did. However, we will need to add a backup or a competitive starter so to speak with the lack of QBs under contract. (Why not give the kid we drafted last year a shot, the Minnesota kid).
2. It’s the O.C. I tend to think that McCoy is partially to blame for the lack of production, in fact, any coach that would say it’s all on the players needs to be fired. But, I don’t think anyone is giving him a serious look as an HC, so hopefully next year he is more BALANCED, let’s Tebow audible, and maybe utilizes the Pass Spread 5 WR set.
3. It’s the WR/TEs. While Decker is a fan favorite, the truth is that he’s a #3 WR at best. D. Thomas came on strong, but he’s not prepared to be a #1 – he still drops slant passes a lot and doesn’t adjust to the ball well in flight. Eddie Royal is a special teamer, that’s it. M. Willis… he just needs to go bye bye. Fells made some solid grabs, but, nothing that made me forget Hernandez and Gronkowski.
4. It’s the O-Line. Mostly they played well, but Orlando was eaten alive too often at RT. He made Tebow look worse than he really is, allowing rushers to strip him and sack him far too often.
I lean toward #2 and #3. If Tebow has a go-to WR or TE, one like Vincent Jackson, or Hernandez, or really any other playmaker in the league, the pass game will GREATLY improve and Tebow will look much better (even if he doesn’t improve that much). Great talent make EVERY QB better than they really are. McCoy also needs to improve… A LOT. He gets FAR too much credit for being a good OC because he installed a zone read option… reality is that he makes predictable calls, forgets what has worked in the past (how about a screen against NE?), and doesn’t understand the strengths of his offense (5 WR spread is how we were able to make those 4th QT comebacks, not used once in last 4 games).
I should start another post for defending the pass… lol.
Draft a DL, then a WR/TE, then an RB, then a CB.
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by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 18, 2012 12:16 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I lean toward all 4 need to improve
but not necessarily change.
1) Tebow needs to learn to find a safety valve. A RB, TE, whoever.
2) McCoy needs to have a wider variety of plays and a better imagination while calling them.
3) The WR/TE need to be able to believe TT throws are not gonna get them killed and hang on to everything like Farve’s did after his Dad died.
4) Th OL needs to gel together and be one cohesive unit. Maybe have a beard growing contest or something. LOL
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I think these all will come with time
1. Tebow had alot thrown at him at once. Plus the pressure from the outside and inside probably didnt help. I dont care what he says, he’s human and knowing if he messed this chance up he probably wouldnt have it again. So hopefully a offseason of work and getting used to offense and working with the coaches will help him out alot…if it doesnt, uhoh.
2. McCoy probably will be coaching the Dolphins.
3. WR’s are young and Tebow always didnt give them great balls to catch, but they didnt help him out alot.
4. The OL in a young unit. Kuper and Clady are the vets of the unit, and they’re still rather young. We had 2 second year players and a rookie starting, so they faired quite well for their experience.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 18, 2012 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
I know right.
We are very young all over except CBs and DTs. We will improve everywhere IMO.
McCoy can leave IMO. Tebow seems to like him, but Tebow seems to like everyone. McCoy was bad at calling plays even when McD was here. In fact I hope he leaves.
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Scotty.. I'm with ya on almost everything, if not everything
LaRon Landry would be a great prize. As would London Fletcher (who’s showed no signs of slowing down).
We have to get stouter on D, all across the board. DB’s, DT’s, DE’s, LB’s…. everyone needs to come together for a strong offseason this summer. Speaking of summer…. I’d sacrifice my own hand to the gods right now for some warmer weather. Blehhhk!!!
On offense, we need to simply gain some experience, which we did in boatloads by beating dreaded Blitzburgh. Even next year, there will be some teams who have our number – it’s expected with a young O-Line, young QB, and young WR’s – but there will be many more teams who can’t figure us out. Reps, reps, and more reps for Tebow, DT, Knowshon, Decker, JT, Virgil Green, and the entire starting O-Line.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

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