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While watching the game last night, I found myself frequently saying, "What the hell are you thinking!?" which inspired me to write this post. I personally feel like the Broncos coaching staff took the wrong stance on the game last night. The Broncos looked like they were playing not to lose instead of playing to win, and there's a huge difference. I would like to make you all well aware that I am a huge supporter of Fox and company with what they have done with the team this season. They've done a great job and I'm not taking away anything from them. They've overachieved big time not only my expectations but I'm guessing all of yours, too. After giving it some thought here's what I would've done last night. Enjoy.

Offense:

I'm not sure what was more frustrating last night, Dennis Allen's calls on defense or Mike McCoy's calls on offense. I figured if there was any way to win this game last night, the Broncos needed to control the TOP, turnovers, and the tempo of the game. The Broncos in my opinion needed to slow things down and let Tebow get some confidence early. Although the Broncos ended up controlling the TOP and turnover ratio (surprisingly), they didn't control the tempo of the game. The Patriots owned our offensive line last night and I feel like they must have been blitzing for much of the game considering they were consistently abusing our offensive line.

This made me wonder what ever happened to a screen pass? There's nothing like getting those big Hoggies out in front of DT or Royal and watching them escort our ball carriers down the field. If the Pats are going to blitz all day it only makes sense to take advantage of their aggressiveness. Screen passes were one of DT's most successful plays during his time at GT (check out his highlight films). They are also one of the easiest passes for a young QB to complete. Both DT and Eddie Royal are extremely elusive in the open field and they needed to touch the ball more. I think a screen pass here and there could have helped slow the game down for Tebow and would've helped to neutralize New England's aggressiveness.

What was the deal with running the ball on 3rd and 6-10 when we were down by 14 points? I understand that our offense is built around the running game, but when you're down by 14 to the Patriots. I also understand that it's important to stick to your game plan, but when the score is 35-7 and we're not moving the ball, something needs to be changed. There's nothing to lose at that point in time so why not take some risks?

Finally and least importantly, what ever happened to some trick plays or creativity? The offense was way too predictable this season and we needed some ways to surprise their defense. What's wrong with a flea flicker every once in a while? Why not try a reverse with Royal on one of our options, but instead of pitching it to McGahee/Ball, Royal would sweep between Tebow and the Running back and make a reverse out of it? I don't know maybe it's just me, but if we were going to beat the Patriots last night I think we needed some creativity and that's definitely something we lacked. Once again, we had nothing to lose so, WHY NOT?

Defense:

As I said, I was also frustrated with Dennis Allen's defensive calls last night, but who wasn't? I didn't get to watch part of the 1st, but Dave Logan said something like the Broncos only having 2 D-Linemen in and trying a bunch of zone blitzes? What the hell are you thinking? I'm sorry Dennis Allen, but you're no Dick LeBeau and we don't have the personnel on our defense to try and trick one of the smartest QB's in the league.

The teams that have been successful with the Patriots in the past are the ones that have done a good job of pressuring the QB and not giving him time to pick you apart. Last night, Tom Brady picked us apart and made it look effortless. Personally, I would've ran primarily out of a nickel package. I would've switched off who blitzed, but I would have brought 5 people almost every play. I have no doubt that at least one of our players could beat his 1 vs. 1 matchup at least 60% of the time and at the very least make Brady get rid of the ball early. To counter Brady getting rid of the ball early, I would've ran a press man cover two for most of the game. For the majority of the game, I would've had Champ matched up on Welker, Goodman on Branch, Harris on Hernandez, and Williams/ Miller on Gronk, possibly even double teaming him or Hernandez with one of our safeties. The press coverage would've delayed New England's routes and allowed our rushers more time to pressure Brady. If Brady wanted to take a chance and go deep, we had our safeties to help over the top. Even if Brady completed a ton of 5-10 yard passes, it would've limited his possessions and eaten up a lot of time, which in my opinion would've been a success.

Overall:

It's common sense to say the Broncos wouldn't be able to keep up in a shootout type game with the Patriots, and unfortunately it's exactly what happened last night. There were no noticeable risks taken and we were playing not to lose instead of being aggressive and taking action against the Patriots. What i've found in football is usually the more aggressive team wins, and New England was without a doubt the aggressor last night. In my opinion we were way too cautious and conservative, but hey I'm just some average Joe watching the game on TV, what do I know?

Well I appreciate you taking your time to read this and I hope you enjoyed it. I also hope maybe some light bulbs and imagination lit up in your brains so you can add some ideas to this post. I won't be offended if you disagree, after all this is just a place for friendly discussions and arguments. I'd be interested in your thoughts and I figured this is probably the best place to post mine. Thanks again for reading and have a great day!

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Who should the Broncos retain as coaches?
John Fox only
12 votes
Mike McCoy only
2 votes
Dennis Allen only
0 votes
Fox and McCoy
5 votes
Fox and Allen
61 votes
McCoy and Allen
1 votes
Fox, McCoy, and Allen
70 votes
Get rid of them all!
12 votes

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we played not to lose...

-I’m really over McCoy as our OC-If I can predict that we are going to run on every first down…

by citrite on Jan 15, 2012 5:55 PM MST reply actions  

"This made me wonder what ever happened to a screen pass?"

You nailed it here. When our QB is under pressure from the moment he finishes his drop there has to be something changed. A screen pass is the obvious answer. Instead we stuck with what we started with and just about got Timmy killed.

Now I don’t think Tebow played a great game last night by any means, don’t take that wrong; but I also don’t think the coaches made any adjustments to give him any shot at all.

Go-Go Gadget Tebow!!!!

by Kgrone on Jan 15, 2012 5:59 PM MST reply actions  

Exactly.

If you and I can think of it, why can’t they? I didn’t see the first quarter of the game yesterday so I’ll ask you: Did we run a screen pass at all yesterday or at least attempt one? We needed something to throw their defense off and keep them off their heels, yet they were on their toes the whole game.

by higgyhoops12 on Jan 15, 2012 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope.

It seemed as if all year the only guy they trusted, on screen plays, was Knowshon. I remember several successful screens w/ Knowshon in the game. Both this year and last under McCoy’s offense. When Tebow started last year they did a lot of screen game with the backs. But since KnowMo got hurt I can’t really remember them running any RB screens. Superised they never tried it with Johnson out of the backfield, he’s a solid open field runner.

by Tony Astorino on Jan 15, 2012 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't necessarily say

the difference between last year and this year was Moreno. I’d say it was more of McDaniels being gone. I’m pretty sure McD was making the offensive play calls last year, hence the large amount of screen passes run.

by higgyhoops12 on Jan 15, 2012 8:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I was referring more to

Tebow’s late season starts,which would have been McCoy on the playcall. It seemed they used the screen game much more then, and even earlier this season. I don’t know why, maybe the backs they have this year, weren’t proving they could be successful with screens during practice. The Texans game, both the Buckhalter passing TD, and a big 3rd Down were both screen plays. Knowshon vs San Diego this year for a TD just a few examples coming to mind.

by Tony Astorino on Jan 15, 2012 8:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Or HOT passes to the TE

when the blitz is sooooo evident. How about rushing people up the middle to collapse the pocket. Those are major issues that need addressed and soon.

by kimbertr on Jan 15, 2012 6:08 PM MST reply actions  

If Tebow had Aaron hernadez

He would be a much better QB. A good TE is a young QB’s best friend.

LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
do YOU believe in TEBOW

by sparker2513 on Jan 16, 2012 5:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Everyone keeps saying that

the fact is that they only block. Hernandez cant catch passes helping Franklin block the rushing end. And this is my point. Any TE would help Tebow right now if they decided to every let them go out for a pass

by kimbertr on Jan 16, 2012 7:52 AM MST up reply actions  

We saw that this game.

Franklin was often left alone to block the pass rush – and Tebow didn’t have enough time to count to two. And if a TE helps Franklin block, that TE is on Tebow’s blindside. And Tebow can’t pass to a TE he can’t see.

The TE’s will get involved in the receiving gamer when we get a pass blocking blindside RT.

by yibberat on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

If that’s the case, then why even line up wide receivers on the right side? That is the blindside, right?

Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush

by boanst on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

They run routes downfield starting immediately

They don’t just stand around. Nor do they move backwards (further into the blindside)

by yibberat on Jan 16, 2012 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

On offense I think we planned the right game

Yes it was conventional but we are a rebuilding team. Other teams have really messed with our ability to even assess our players on offense this year. We have been playing a lot of gimmicky offense but that only worked against mediocre offenses. Our defense was never able to shut down a good scoring offense. Our offense has never been able to score points at will via methodical drives. That isn’t a function of playcalling. It’s a function of a team that is rebuilding.

If I were a coach, yesterday’s game is one of only a couple of games this season that tells me which players are the core of next year’s team and where the holes are.

by yibberat on Jan 15, 2012 6:49 PM MST reply actions  

I agree to a certain extent.

I do believe there are things coaches should try to do to mask their weaknesses though, just like Fox and McCoy using the option for most of the season. Fact of the matter is that the game is always evolving. It always has and it always will. Good coaches are flexible and they don’t have a certain concrete way of doing things. Good coaches must adjust during the game and especially at half time depending on what’s working and what’s not. If it’s not working there’s no need to keep doing it unless you can figure out why it’s not working and fix the problem. That’s what McCoy, Allen, and Fox didn’t do well.

by higgyhoops12 on Jan 15, 2012 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

What I don't understand is why wait to get DT invloved in the game?

He is by far the best offensive player on the broncos. Fox should know the kind of impact a WR like him can have on the game. Form a game plan around him and force the pats to take him away. I would be trying to get him the ball anyway I could because I know he’ll do good things. We saw the Pats go to their best offensive guy over and over, why didn’t the broncos? Most of DT’s catches came in the second half. Why wait that long? It doesn’t make any sense.

In general the whole team looked out of it. It looked like none of them showed up to play and it showed.

by tiderfootball09 on Jan 15, 2012 7:07 PM MST reply actions  

I agree.

It’s almost as if they were scared which is the complete opposite of what I expected after the last meeting. I believe the Broncos can play with the Patriots under the right circumstances (getting off to a good lead, pressuring Brady, no turnovers, etc.). Unfortunately none of those happened last night.

by higgyhoops12 on Jan 15, 2012 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

"unfortunately none of those happened last night"

But in your post you correctly stated we won the turnover ratio. Just sayin’

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Your point?

I just said “no turnovers” in the last comment. Especially on a drive to tie the game when we’re down 7-0 early. That fumble could have been the most critical play in the game. We were making a nice drive and would have most likely gotten on the scoreboard, put confidence in our team, and quiet the Pats fans down a bit. Momentum is huge part of football and in my opinion the Patriots had probably 55 minutes of it and we had maybe the 5 minutes during our first drive.

by higgyhoops12 on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

they went to there best guy over and over

because they have 2 other guys that just as effective. Welker and Hernadez are WAY better than Fells and Royal. The Broncos need more weapons to attack.

How many plays for a loss did the Broncos have? I think it broke some sort of record. The play calling was HORRIBLE. Playing not to lose is the same as playing to lose. Tell me a QB that is going to convert 3rd and 15 all night long! Its not going to happen.

LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
do YOU believe in TEBOW

by sparker2513 on Jan 16, 2012 6:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know who they will retain or let go, but one year with any new coaching staff with new schemes and philosophies and without an offseason is difficult to guage or rate.

Give them another year and see who’s breathing fire and who’s squirting peach seeds.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 15, 2012 7:54 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I love the voice of reason bfree...and you always come through!

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Offensively... Spread Pass 5 WR set...

The few times we actually went to a 4 WR set, we were very succesful.
Unfortunately, we retained a wing, or double wing set usually with 2 WR and they just ate our O-Line up all day long which forced Tebow to run for his life way too often.

I would have spread the field with 5 WR sets, keeping them from stacking the line and disguising blitzers in the middle. Tim seems to see the field VERY WELL in this shotgun formation and can use his legs to escape trouble because the defense is forced to cover on the outsides of the field and can’t use delayed blitzes up the middle with a bunch of LBs.

Seems to me that when we score the most, the fastest, is when we go to the Shotgun Spread pass formation. All of our 4th QT comebacks utilized this formation and set of playcalls.

Fox and McCoy haven’t used it since before we were beat the FIRST time we played NE. Notice, Brady used the hurry up spread pass set all game long – both times.

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 8:20 PM MST reply actions  

Great point.

It’s much easier to disguise blitzers/ coverages when everyone is packed in. That’s the exact opposite of what we need with Tebow at this point in his career.

by higgyhoops12 on Jan 15, 2012 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Correct. In fact, look at how Tom Brady handled our 'blitzes...'

With the field Spread Out most of the game, it was easy for him to make small manuevers inside the pocket to avoid our rush. It was rare that we ever were able to confuse the offensive line blocking scheme because we really never had more than 4 guys rushing. Only a delayed blitz came close to putting Brady on his butt.

Patriots also utilize their Tight Ends much better than we do. They may go to an ACE formation with what appears to be only two WRs, but their TEs release off the line immediately and they have 4 WRs.

Haters can say what they want – but Tebow is more than capable of running the SAME Spread Passing offense that Tom Brady does. He just doesn’t have the weapons, or apparently the O-Line, that Tom Brady does.

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 8:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't remember us blitzing

I feel like most of the time we only rushed four… maybe Brady just got rid of the ball to quickly for me to notice anyone else rushing though.

by higgyhoops12 on Jan 15, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Haha, you are right... it was exteremly RARE. But it happened once, I think... haha

Defensively I just couldn’t believe we went with the same game plan we did LAST time we played NE. I understand we had some very young DBs and backups in… but dang… the D-Line got ZERO pressure.

I wasn’t that impressed with Brady because his O-Line and WR/TE made it SOOO EASY FOR HIM! I mean seriously, the guy saw ZERO pressure all game long and STILL threw an INT. I’ve seen him play better.

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 9:09 PM MST up reply actions  

McCoy and Allen thought the Pitt game was our Superbowl.

Their game calls suggests that they were too busy pining for other jobs rather than preparing for more Bronco football. The fact that they didn’t have the team prepared to play a playoff caliber game is utter madness. Look at the 4 seed from the NFC. Lights out preparation. We aren’t as bad as we looked. I don’t mind getting toasted if we are balls to the wall trying. We looked like we were playing preseason. I like Allen and Fox might turn out ok.

New England doesn’t lose to running teams. Look it up. Running the ball doesn’t beat them unless the defense is playing lights out. You have to pass against NE, and I’d rather Tebow have gone 3-50 and tried than run the ball 40 effing times while getting our asses handed to us. We looked like a bunch of idiots, or at least the coaches did. I expect better in the future.

by SD guy on Jan 15, 2012 9:07 PM MST reply actions  

Agree with the passing attempts. The Steelers are a great team, but NOT the Patriots.

Steelers only averaged 20 points a game, Broncos 19.
Beating a team like the NE Patriots requires scoring, and RUSHING does NOT equate to scoring. We were the #1 rushing offense, and 25 or something in scoring.

I was pretty PISSED OFF with McCoy and Fox when they were STILL running the i-formation down by 30 points, rushing the ball!! It was like they didn’t care WHAT the score was, they were just going to keep ‘doing what they do.’ Which is a TERRIBLE way to coach.

Like I said, where was the HURRY UP – SPREAD OFFENSE!???

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 9:12 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I couldn't finish the game.

After the Pitt game I thought we had figured out how to prepare for playoff football. I was amped all week. I couldn’t take any more of it part way through the 2nd quarter. The first game I’ve quit all year. Maybe I’m a lousy fan.

That said, I’m optimistic about next year. Good to visit with you alwaysright.

by SD guy on Jan 15, 2012 9:18 PM MST up reply actions  

You too SD! I'm very optomistic...

Perhaps Next Year Tebow will be allowed to audible, and hopefully he audibles to some freakin pass plays. HAHAHA….

The kid can throw it – just need the staff to put them in a better position to score points.

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 9:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah. Isn't it rushing yards that win games?

LOL. Can’t believe we had to even argue about that. Ha!

by SD guy on Jan 15, 2012 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol. Man... I love that Fox wants to have a beast defense...

but that doesn’t mean you have to stifle the offensive production by running 60 times a game and passing 15.
I’m looking forward to Timmy getting a full offseason with this coaching staff… maybe it’ll be more balanced next year!!! YAY!

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 9:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Alka... Respectfully disagree... Our great rushing stats amounted to 5 TDs

for the YEAR from running backs.

  1. rushing team = # 23 or something in scoring.
  1. passing team = #1 in scoring.

The correlations are clear to me… But, I do think that Tebow needs and DESERVES better weapons.

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 10:39 PM MST up reply actions  

well as I said we dont "necessarily" need to pass more, but I too would prefer that we throw it more, especially in that last game

If we could get our running game to be dominant in the redzone(the way Terrel Davis was) then we could follow Fox’s gameplan. But I think HE needs to adjust and throw more until we can do that.

by alkatraz76 on Jan 16, 2012 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

j-man

no huddle play very loose attack against NE everyone else tweak for more west coast routes when tebow runs around have a safety value near by and when they cover it throw deep

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by j-man on Jan 15, 2012 9:54 PM MST reply actions  

J-man for OC ! Sounds good to me!!

"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow

by asinsoin on Jan 15, 2012 10:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I noticed that Tebow missed some wide open RB's short

It’s like he either didn’t see them, or he just ignored them. Lance Ball has dropped a lot of passes for us, so I’m sure that comes into play. But what is it really? Does Tebow’s accuracy suffer so bad in the short game, the coaches don’t even bother with it yet? Do our present, healthy RB’s suck in that dept.? Is the staff ignorant to those types of dump off – relief valve type of plays (wheel routes…. screens….. short outs).

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 10:25 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Tebow still struggles here

seeing those short 5 to 15 yard routes, especially right behind the LB.

I do think that will change next year. I think we will all see vast improvement in that area.

Also, the NE game. I was screaming it all night that the only way you have a chance to beat Brady is to Blitz heavy at least 60% and put him on his ass. Brady hates getting hit and getting dirty.

You may still lose and give up some big plays, but look what not going blitz heavy got us 45-10.

by 70fan70 on Jan 16, 2012 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know who he was throwing to

but one of them looked likehe was trying to throw a sidearm bounce pass like in basketball.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 17, 2012 5:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Focusing on offense here...

We need to get the short passing game (YAC) and screen game going. The way New England, Detroit, and Buffalo blitzed us / stacked 8 to 9 in the box…. they would have got burned by some screen passes when selling out. This is where Lance Ball is useless, and Moreno is a stud. If Lance Ball remains our 2nd stringer next year, I will puke. He has hands of stone. If it’s not Moreno, then Lamar Miller / LaMichael James perhaps in the draft.

We also have to find a way to get the TE’s involved in the passing game. It’s no secret what Tebow did in Florida, and Tom Brady is doing right now with Hernandez as the H-Back. If Julius Thomas is a pretender, and sucked this year rather than taking a red shirt… then we need to move on and find that guy. Fells is clutch… but we need a consistent threat in the seams.

If Kuper can’t ever regain his old form (that injury was sickening in a bad, bad way), then I suggest a power RG in the mold of Carl Nicks/Jahri Evans from Nawlins. New England also has a hella great Guard combo with Mankins/Brian Waters…. we need to follow the leader. I’m talking about an earth mover with pass block skills. I’ve heard it thrown around that Franklin could be this type of interior lineman…. and we could either draft beast RT…. or see if Ryan Harris has a few more goes in the tank.

I love Matt Willis as a 4th option… 1st reserve off the bench…. but we can do better in our starting 3. DT and Decker are locks going forward as our #1 and #2 (DT the big play guy ~ Decker the clutch, possession guy). But Eddie Royal is nothing more than a return man these days. Could we trade him to Shanny for a 5th or 6th at this point, or is he a FA? Either way…. he’s most likely gone. I’d be thrilled to see us draft a Randall Cobb / Percy Harvin type threat at Wide Out. It would really complete our WR core. Roscoe Parrish… the FA from Buffalo could fill this role if he didn’t get hurt so much. We need a shifty little speedster, who can run all the option / trick plays + be a massive YAC / screen player.

In summation: a secondary RB (preferably one with speed who can catch as well), a receiving TE with some speed so Tebow can terrorize the seams, a road grading Guard if the FO deems Kuper or Beadles replaceable, and lastly, a nasty little slot receiver. Any arguments towards my vision to fix this offense?

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 9:56 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Sounds good to me Pale!

Lots to get done this offseason but we’re pointed in the right direction!

"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow

by asinsoin on Jan 15, 2012 10:14 PM MST up reply actions  

There's no question we are

anyone who fails to see it will never get behind this team (let’s be truthful here…. I actually mean they’ll never get behind Tebow).

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions  

The good news with this plan

Is that we’re only a couple of players and a strategy adjutment away from being able to execute it.
The D is another story where we need help at every level and are weak right up the middle which is a formula for disaster.

"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow

by asinsoin on Jan 15, 2012 10:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Ahh, the middle of a defense

to me, it’s the key to dominant ones. Look no further than Pittsburgh of the last decade – Polamalu, Farrior, and Hampton. Reed, Lewis, and Ngata.

Right now, our best DT is really a secondary DT…. the #2 DT. Bunkley is not a play maker, he’s a space eater who is good at holding the line and stuffing the run. He is athletic, but disrupting the backfield is not his forte. To me, Marcus Thomas and Ryan McBean have no business starting. Backups maybe.

Our MLB’s stink to high heavens, and might be some of the worst in all of football. Joe Mays (no one outside of Denver even knows he exists), Mario Haggan, the elusive Nate Irving… who couldn’t even sniff some play time from the unbeatable Joe Mays. Who else, who else? Mike Mohamed or Wesley Woodyard? Ouch. Once again, the middle of our D is pitiful.

Don’t even get me started on our Safety core. Rahim Moore looks lost / weak. Bruton is Bruton…. nothing more (good depth player – not a starter). Rafael Bush was getting hailed as the next starter because of one decent game against Pittsburgh. I am not so hopeful of him. That leaves us with B Dawk, who is by and large one of my favorite, all time Broncos (already). When Dawkins is healthy, our D is a thing of beauty… but we’d be insane to think it can last much longer. Maybe one more year… his neck permitting.

The middle of our D is garbage, teams know it. Now is the time to stack it with thunder and lightning.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep.
When Dawkins is healthy, our D is a thing of beauty… but we’d be insane to think it can last much longer.

Dawk’s a difference maker.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 16, 2012 8:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I disagree about Marcus Thomas starting....

probably not the most popular thing to say at this point

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by broncofaninIL on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree 100% Pale

and I would say the middle of our offense is also the weak link. Meaning center/guard gaps getting destroyed by the best teams (excluding the Pitt game) and our passes over the middle in that 5-15 range. We rarely even call a WR crossing route in those areas and when we did Decker and DT had pretty nice plays, DT even had one in that last NE game iirc

I know that no team can have everything, but we have to fix the middle offensive attack and middle defense.

by 70fan70 on Jan 16, 2012 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

You got it Pale.

Our recievers need to block and Decker /Baybay do that. Our #3 MUST be able to do that as well. I would like for Eddie to stay (Yes he is a FA) as just return guyand #4 WR, but I don’t think he will. Willis will do as #4, but not main return guy. As for our #3, I really like everything I read about Kendall Wright.
TE’s we have just need to get better. The coaches have high hopes for the ones we already have.

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by Digger24 on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Focusing on defense here:

Safety…. oh Denver Bronco Safety…. wherefore art thou Atwater & Lynch? It was looking pretty decent when Dawk and Carter were the starters… but outside of that, Carter stumbled some on his own, Rahim Moore looks like an absolute bust, and Bruton / Bush haven’t shown me anything to suggest consistent starter. Out of this entire bunch, Quinton Carter is the only one who showed me some worth moving forward. I would say we should draft a stud if the opportunity arises…. but this is once again a crappy Safety pool. Maybe Mark Barron??? IDK. Free agent options should be looked at heavily in the offseason.

Brodrick Bunkley cemented himself as a starter for the future, but Marcus Thomas… Mitch Unrein… Ryan McBean… and Ty Warren could all be upgraded. Marcus Thomas made some plays here and there (so did McBean), but I would jump at the chance to replace them with Jared Crick, or someone of that style… a penetrator who makes a living in opponents backfields. If I were in charge… I might even double dip into the DT pool this year.

Joe Mays stinks something terrible. He would be a 3rd stringer on a lot of teams. Why is he still the starter? Who kidnapped Nate Irving? Does Nate Irving just suck that bad or was he given a mandatory red shirt year? Who knows… but something must be done about it. I know Burfict does some boneheaded crap from time to time, but that dude’s skillset and athleticism intrigues me. Is our locker room strong enough to keep him in line? If so…. I say we pull that trigger if he’s sitting there when we pick. If not him, then Stephen Tulloch or Curtis Lofton as FA replacements.

Doom and Von Miller are the pass rushing tandem from hell…. Ayers is steady, but could provide more help in that dept. If a player like Bruce Irvin is sitting there at the top of the 3rd, I say we make a trade happen. We all saw what Aldon Smith did in a reserve role this year. IF Bruce Irvin, or whoever pans out as expected…. Ayers could be cut loose after the season (if he doesn’t progress as a pass rusher next year).

Finally…. Champ Bailey, Chris Harris, and possibly Syd’Quan are keepers. Everyone else is either “meh,” or hideous (yes, that’s you Nate Jones… I mean Jonathan Wilhite). I would prefer to find a younger FA option to fill the #2 CB role (if Harris stays at Nickel). CB’s have a huge bust rate…. let’s fill this hole with some experience until a better option arises in a future draft. Asante Samuel…. Brent Grimes (if he would play #2)… someone of that nature to keep the torch for a couple years until we can do better. The Tom Brady’s, Drew Brees’, and Mathew Stafford’s of the world are going to keep eating us alive until we accumulate more talent / depth in the defensive backfield.

In summary: a DT or two, a backup DE, Safety/CB help, and a MLB.

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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 10:15 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Yep...

We’re at least 1 maybe 2 DT’s, a MLB, 1 or 2 safetys and a CB away. Getting Warren, Vickerson and Syd back will be improvement and if Irving steps up in year 2 maybe we’re not so far away, but those are huge ifs. I’m looking for an active FA signing period and another solid draft.

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by asinsoin on Jan 15, 2012 10:22 PM MST up reply actions  

A lot of the needs depend on how much the 2010/2011 class improves over the offseason.

Ideally, I’d love for Irving and Moore to step up big time because that would cure a lot of things on defense. Also if Warren stays healthy it’d be a huge difference on the d-line. It is possible, Walton improved so much from last year, so that gives me hope for Moore and Irving..

by tiderfootball09 on Jan 15, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I would be ecstatic if that happened

I hope it does so we can address other needs. Warren would be huge…. Vickerson is more than likely cut. Either way there, we need to draft a young, fiery DT. But I pray Moore, Irving, Julius Thomas, Virgil Green, and Jeremy Beal can all step up next year.

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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 11:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree that the broncos need another DT.

When I was watching the Texans game, their d-line is good, but they do one thing very well, which is bat the ball down. JJ Watt I think is the best at that. It gives QBs a lot of fits. Looking back at the game, the broncos didn’t have that. They don’t have someone that can put their paw up there. Tom Brady had a clear window to throw to. I think if you get Worthy or someone of his size to put in the middle. it’ll cause Brady to hesitate with those shorter throws. For guys like Dumervil and Miller, that’s all it takes. Vickerson was really good at that last year—he got a pick because of that. It would also take a lot of pressure off of the LBs covering over the middle. In other words, get some DTs that are 6’5/6’6 to put in the middle.

by tiderfootball09 on Jan 16, 2012 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Same here

None of those guys make me feel real safe, but odds are, someone will step it up from that group. My wish – Warren is the missing vet piece for the D-Line. Squid becomes a nasty little rotational DB. Irving can take more snaps away from his competition in camp. Thank goodness there is a camp this year.

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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 10:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Von Miller is a great pass rusher... but he really needs to work on

his run reads and his TE coverage. I almost wish that Fox was running a 3-4 defense so Miller could be more of a Clay Matthews who just rushes the passer opposite of Dumerville.

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by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Von does do a lot of that, even as a 4-3 SAM

but they’re trying to teach him the complete game of football…. they know he’s smart & athletic enough to learn it and become something ungodly to the rest of the NFL.

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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I think his talent is better spent chasing the QB...

rather than a TE or WR. Even if he eventually becomes proficient or great in coverage, I’d rather him be at the line of scrimmage.

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by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 11:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd rather him do both

Gronkowski and Hernandez ate our lunch again. If Von is as good as advertised this early on, I can’t imagine how great he will be in a year or two. He has the athleticism of some Corners… I’d say he’ll learn how to lock down a TE and even snag some balls.

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"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 11:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Good assessment here also Pale.

I think we need to go to FA for safety help. Laron Landry please. Same thing for CB. someone younger and better than Goodman please. I like Mike Martin as a DT in the draft. I don’t know how high he will go yet. we’ll see after the combine. He wrecked havoc at Michigan all the time. Irving could be the answer. Coaches decision on if that is a need. I say it’s not with Nate and Mohammed and Mays possibly come back as a backup/STs guy. Some say Marcus Thomas is something we need to hang on to. I say let him go. We signed him to 1yr./1 mil. dollar contract last year which leaves him as a FA again. Last year we missed on all the DT draft picks. He ended up being a must sign. Remember this was before Bunkley and Warren. This year, IMO, he is expendable if he expects starter kind of money. We need better rotatational DEs. Doom and Ayers have their upsides. They also have their downsides. Doom is a 3 down DE because of his energy, however our MLB better be able to cover for him better on the run plays. We need a DE to sub in and out with Ayers.

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by Digger24 on Jan 17, 2012 6:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we needed to be blitzing almost ever down, that is the only way to beat Tom Brady. And yeah running on 3rd and 20 while we were down by 14 or 21 points, what do you have to lose? Throw it, screen passes definetly would have been perfect

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by bronconation15 on Jan 15, 2012 10:59 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

no team blitzes that much.

we just need to learn how to get consistent pressure from a 4 man rush. Some new DT’s wouldn’t hurt.

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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 15, 2012 11:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn't see a whole lot of stunts out there...

Scheme wise, that would help get more pressure as opposed to straight bull-rushes upfield. We didn’t really change the O-line’s gap assignments or confuse them.

It was just, ‘mano-e-mano,’ and we got punched in the mouth.

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by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 15, 2012 11:25 PM MST up reply actions  

On Offense

Our plays took too long to develop. We had so much play action and lateral movement in the backfield. The option wasn’t working, play action wasn’t working, so, if they still wanted to run, call a few FB dives. Tebow’s ball fakes are good enough that if he could sell a HB run after handing it to our FB, their over aggressive defense wouldn’t have tackled him until he ripped a good gain. Obviously we should have called a few screens as well. I also would have called some of those bootlegs off stretch runs like the Plummer days. I think Tebow can run that as well, if not better, than Plummer did. Call plays to make them pay for being over aggressive, and once you have them confused, throw it deep to DT.

On Defense

Brady had a clean pocket the whole game. We should have sent pressure up the middle all game, and flush him into the waiting arms of Doom or Von. Rushing 3 or 4 wasn’t getting the job done. A few corner blitzes wouldn’t have hurt either. Their hurry up offense wouldn’t have been so effective if Brady had to pick himself up off the turf every play. None of the routes were disrupted at the line, something that is essential to disrupt an offense that is based on timing. The way we played, the Patriots could have ran their offense blindfolded.

by Bled Dry on Jan 16, 2012 11:23 AM MST reply actions  

I’m the lone idiot who wrongly clicked on Fox and McCoy in the poll.

Sorry.

by emd2k3 on Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM MST reply actions  

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