Perspectives from the Outside
Greetings all it has been some time since I wrote a post or even a thoughtful comment. There are reasons for that and I will explain but I also have some expectations for the offseason.
First, the reason I haven't said much of late is I personally am sick and tired of Tebow-mania. I think he's a great guy and has a legitimate shot at being an ELITE Quarterback. I said it and I don't care who pulls this on me. Tebow has a great shot at being not just our franchise QB but an ELITE QB!
The rub however is the vitriol either way. We will hear this offseason about how the Broncos should look for a QB and blah blah blah. Listen, if the Broncos were so bent on replacing Tim Tebow, he would have been pulled in the Patriots game. Period! When the media says something about Tebow, don't pay that much attention. Watch the actions of this Organization not the "inside sources" of some chump piece of garbage hack journalist who spells worse than a dog without spell check! One of the reasons I have not really written or commented is that when it comes to Tim Tebow every Tom Dick and Harry who can edit a player on the Madden video game thinks they know more than this organization does about Tebow's strengths and weaknesses. YOU DON'T
Ok, enough about Tebow cause that issue is going to be all I hear about the next 6 months.
Off Season Needs:
QB- Sign an FA back up who wil be serviceable in injury replacement and mentor Tim. Draft a back up also in latter rounds!
RB- I love McGahee and am not sold on Moreno. The other guys are whatever to me. Through FA or Draft we need a Javid Best, Matt Forte, LeSean McCoy player. A home run hitter and serious threat.
TE- I personally believe Daniel Fells was a quiet under-rated signing. I say give Thomas and Green another Offseason but if a good dual threat is available, grab him.
WR- Royal will be offered a fair package for his contributions in Denver and his expected contributions moving forward. If he walks fine, we don't need to overpay him. Thomas and Decker will have an offseason to Gel with Tebow. We need to address this position via Draft and FA, Personally I'd look at possibly bringing in Harvin. I know he is in the last year of his contract and has just established himself as a threat in Minny but I'd give up our #2 pick for Harvin on this team. As it stands there arent many FA's I would look at. Draft a WR or two becasue Willis is not the answer. We need 3 or 4 good WR.
OL- this is a depth issue really which is nice. I like our starting five. Hochstien needs to be replaced as do Clark and Rameirez. Let Harris and Franklin battle it out for starter, but I think Franklin win and Harris becomes our All Purpose back up which is ok by me.
DL- Honestly of who we have I like Doom, Ayers, Hunter, Bunkley, Thomas and maybe Warren. The rest can leave. We signed a guy like harvey to the active roster to be a game day inactive EVERY GAME. not for me that crap needs to stop. If you cant be a contributor get off my roster!
LB- I think Sayre and I disagree here but MLB is possibly the biggest need this offseason. Im ok keeping Mohammed, Miller, Irving, Woodyard and WIlliams but we need a stud and if Irving doesn't look like that guy I say we make a play for a Jon Beason type player via FA or the Draft. I need an Al Wilson.
CB- Champ, Harris, Syd'Quan and Vaughn need to be retained. I'm ok watching Goodman walk. Truth be told I think we move Champ to FS/ Centerfield to teach Rahim. which leaves this a big need too!
SAF- Dawkins is probably retiring and honestly, Good for him. He is all class and a top player at his position for many years. I hope he enjoys his life beyond football. Carter looks good and Moore needs a bit of help. Bruton is good in spot duty but looked like he should be given a chance to compete for starter. If Champ gets moved here no problem. If not we need a smart player in the Deep back to hold us down! We saw what happened when we lost Dawkins brain and passion back there!
I think were set at K and P so fan the flames boy and girls and as always
GO BRONCOS!
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After going 4-12 and 8-8 over the last two seasons
I’d say we’re still rebuilding. I agree with you that MLB is by far our biggest need but I doubt we can find a huge upgrade in the draft unless we move up for Luke Kuechly. Hopefully Nate Irving develops into the starter we all want him to be.
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I hope so too.
We have a lot of our own FA’s to sign, so I don’t want to put big money in a FA Linebacker as well.
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Fair analysis JT
You are slightly more optimistic on the defensive backfield than I, but we pretty much agree on everything else.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
In truth its the only part of a team I am comfortable evaluating!
I think we have 3 very good up and coming CB’s and Champ wherever he plays will still be great. The Safeties we could use work but its not a position of great need. If we get pressure and good LB play the DB will be good this year!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
Do you think any of Harris/Squid/Vaughn/Carter can step into Goodman's role?
Harris is a great tackler – but the Pats game showed serious cover limitations. I wouldn’t have expected him to bring Gronk down at all — but covering a not particularly fast TE? He looked like a complete amateur and Gronk is only 2nd year.
And all of these guys are short and I’m not sure how fast they really are. That spells trouble v any taller/bigger WR’s or potentially v the speedster WR’s
In all honesty with the style of defense we are playing
speed is a good trait but zone coverage with aggressive blitz packages will negate the need for speed. Gronkowski is probably the best TE in the NFL right now hands down. I think Harris is a #2 as is Vaughn. Squid is a very very good nickle Corner and with good safety play and aggressive blitzes Squid will kill people in the interception department over the middle. So I think we have two guys who could play opposite Champ or even be their own guys.
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
I know Gronk is elite
but he’s still a TE running routes. Harris was played like a rag doll on that coverage and didn’t have the speed to recover – against a TE? Gronk wasn’t winning jump balls and such. He was flat out open – by a long way
I honestly think that had more to do with scheme than anything else.
I will re-watch to confirm but what I saw most of the night was Rushing three and dropping into a lots of shallow zone. This can work if everyone stays disciplined but someone jumps and there is a wide hole!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
Can't argue with this
Fox ususally has a good MLB in his defences. Carolina has Beason and Dan Connor. Beason was hurt and Connor did a nice job for them. Perhaps they’d be willing to part with the much more expensive Beason? Unlikely but that would be pretty cool.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
We will see what happens.
in my experience guys who get hurt and their back up kills it, tend to be expendable! Especially as the get older. I’d take Beason for two years while Irving develops.
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Beast-on would be frigging amazing to have.
Only two years? He was drafted in ‘07, so he’s certainly got another 4-6 years left, barring additional injuries. Panthers did agree in terms to a five-year, $50M deal last year to make him the highest paid LB in the NFL, although the fact that he went out mid-September for the season may hamper that deal, especially with Connor stepping up the way he has.
He will be in heavy demand and will come with a big price-tag, but he has been a solid player for his entire career. Except for 2010, he has been the team leader in tackles; the only reason he wasn’t is because he was moved around to OLB and back to ILB due to injuries in those position. The thing that shocked me is that he played all the LB positions with authority, and excelled at each assignment.
That fluidity and knowledge plays a massive role in being a defensive captain and vocal leader, and is exactly what we need to bring this defense together.
I'd be down!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
Connor is the one who is a free agent this year
He’s the one we should go for. He won’t be signing with Carolina because he prob wants starter role and starter pay
Maybe true who knows I would take Either
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
I would take either, too.
Being that Beason is young, but expensive, Panthers might choose to retain Connor. He’s even younger and played lights out the whole season. With some of their other needs needing to be filled, specifically O-line, receiver, and a lot of their defense, they may not be able to keep Beason if they are looking for a rehaul and rebuild around Cam Newton.
I hope this is the case, and I hope Foxy jumps on it if it is!
There are four major areas that I would love to see the Broncos improve.
The first is defensive backfield. We need to replace Dawk, and I am not sold on Moore, and we need a true stud corner to play opposite Champ who I think has another couple of years as a truly good (but no longer great) corner left in him.
The second is the interior pass rush. We got no pressure from them all season long and this needs to change. Pressure up the middle is really the only way to take the Tom Bradys, Payton Mannings and Drew Brees’s out of their game.
Third is a good running back in the draft. McGahee is a stud, but we need to acknowledge that he is long in the tooth for an NFL RB and we need to plan for the future. He is the man and I love having him on the team, but we need the two part of our one-two punch in the backfield.
Last is WR/TE. I am not convinced Royal will be coming back due to his trade request earlier this season. And I do not think that Matt Willis is the answer. We absolutely need one or two more playmakers in the WR position. And while I am a fan of Fells, the rest of our TEs were horrible this year. (And Fells had his bad moments as well.) We got no production from the TE spot all year and that needs to change in a big way.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 16, 2012 4:21 PM MST reply actions
Good thoughts and I pretty much agree
Royal came up big when no one wanted to trade for him so i’ll let that slide. Like I said I think we offer him what we believe is fair.
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Jon for the post and pretty much agree with you, Tebow is the future no matter who the media wants to spin it...
The fact that Elway and Fox inherited most of Shanahan and McDaniels’ hold overs there was nothing they could really do but use what was at hand. Not unless they wanted to gut the team entirely. I thought EFX did a marvelous job of separating some of the wheat from the chaff, but there are more to get rid of. This offseason we’ll see players released that we might of thought should stay. They might not fit exactly what Fox wants to rebuild around. Players like Hunter, Willis, Vaughn, Goodman and others that were here before the new regime arrived. It will take 3 years as John Elway suggested last year to get where they want to be. Added free agents and draft picks will change the face of the roster.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
absolutely agree
I know I will be shocked by a few releases. I was surprised we traded gaffney last off season
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
I wasn't much surprised by the Gaffney move.
Gaffney was one of the older players on the team. The move to trade him was, I think, more a part of the youth movement in the organization than anything else.
Never let them see you bleed.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
maybe but solid vet was needed shocked me
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Jan 17, 2012 1:43 AM MST up reply actions
Can't argue with most of this...solid insight...
Champ is still a year out from making the move, he is too good at corner still to move him. Our biggest need this offseason has to be to address the Defensive backfield, I think through draft and FA!
I think thats fair
I am not sure it is our biggest need. Tough Injury bug in the Backfield this year. I think with a year under their belt together and a few guys via draft and FA (not big names mind you) this group could be pretty solid next season
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 16, 2012 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with you on Champ.
He is not the player he used to be in that he has definitely lost a step or two. But he was still far and away the best CB on the team this year, and I would say one of the top 10 CBs in the league as well. Even at his age, there are not more than a handful of guys I would take over Champ if I had to shut down a WR for one game.
Never let them see you bleed.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 16, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 17, 2012 1:44 AM MST up reply actions
sorry didnt finish my thought
I agree but if you coudl make champ a blanket in the backfield and add another CB to the coverage would you?
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 17, 2012 1:44 AM MST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need to add a strong CB.
Chris Harris may be starter material for a long time to come, but we still need to add to the position. As good as Champ still is, he won’t play much longer, at least as a CB. He may have more years left as a safety, but he’s only got one, two, or possibly three years left as a solid CB. We need to add with an eye to the future, no question.
Never let them see you bleed.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 17, 2012 5:03 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with that!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 17, 2012 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
One small area of disagreement
On OL, I though Hochstein did EXACTLY what you want from a utility OL backup. No noticeable drop off after the Babyface Assasin got hurt, so I say Russ keeps his job. I am scared of Harris as main backup because of injury concern. He could be your guy that you are counting on, come in for one play when someone goes down, and then be out for the season. He plays great, but he is too injury prone with his back to count on him in the case where you are already reaching into your depth.
We're still rebuilding.
Too reload we need to have a solid foundation on what this teams identity is. Right now it’s hard to say which direction this team is going identity right now.
Also we have a young raw QB who could boom or bust, a young all around team, and a few older key vets. So we’re still rebuilding, it’s a 3-4 year process. We started out well, need to keep going. Need to have another great draft this year and hit on a few FA signings and hope our young guys progress this offseason
This team could go a number of ways this up-coming offseason
we could easily upgrade at just about every position on this team. It will interesting which way they choose to go through Free Agency.
Also i’m interested about the Broncos budget, we’re about 24-25 million below the cap i believe. So we could easily spend big this offseason, but i wonder if Bowlen has Xanders and Elway on a budget

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