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25. Denver Broncos, Mark Barron, SS, Alabama
Brian Dawkins, 38, has a severe neck injury that might put his career in jeopardy. Even if it doesn't, the Broncos need to think about upgrading the position since Dawkins' playing days are clearly numbered. Barron replaces Dawkins' hitting ability in the secondary.
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This is a lousy pick since the Broncos used two draft picks last season on Safety….. Still, any talent upgrade in the defensive backfield is needed…
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Denver will know by now if Moore is a bust or not. He looked horrible out there to me, but the coaches see him in practice, film session and weight room. If they think he can be salvaged and at 21 years of age, he’s still a puppy… then you don’t make this pick.
If they think he is a bust, this would be a great pick. Poor safety play was reason #1 we got killed vs New England. Bruton was a bad joke out there. Bush was even worse.
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Yeah the Bruton Bush combo was like that
Manuel, and some other guy whos name i forgot thankfully
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:29 AM MST up reply actions
McCree and Lowry.
2008’s defense will live in my mind forever. I hated that defense with every ounce of my soul. Slowik especially.
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Oh god slowik
Names i erased from my mind haha
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
Wink? lol
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McD really scrod us with that one lol
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Yeahh, wink was dealt a bad hand though
Still wasnt pretty. Man i love Dennis Allen, i’ll let that terrible patriot gameplan slide
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 AM MST up reply actions
Idk
That was piss poor scheme wise both times we played. But when you have Joe Mays on Gronk, kind of tells you how thin we are at LB.
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Ultimately that is McD's legacy
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
Sometimes I like to imagine
What would have happened if McD hadn’t been an idiot and would have allowed Nolan to do his thing.
Of course we wouldn’t have Tebow or Von but still it would have been an interesting thing to watch
We probably would have made the postseason in 09
and McD would still be our coach. He’d probably be an ok coach too, because he wouldnt have done the moronic things that made him a bad coach
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Wink wasn't great or anything
but I’d take Wink over Slowik anyday
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed
that 2008 is and will probably always be the worst defense I ever laid eyes on.
I still have nightmares of our CB’s playing 5-10 yards off the receiver at the LOS every play, me yelling it’s going to be a screen, them throwing the screen and us being unable to stop it.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 AM MST up reply actions
*2008 defense
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
Nightmares.
And Nate Webster and Jamie Winborn celebrating every tackle like they won the super bowl
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 9:02 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair to them
that is the most they would ever accomplish in the NFL, making a tackle after a guy just dragged you for 6 yards. Why not celebrate
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
Nate full of (not so) great :(
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
Damn McG, even worse than the 2010 D with Wink?
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Dude..
Nate Webster, Niko, Winborn, Manuel, McCree, Calvin Lowry, Engelburger, Ekuban, Bly, Jarvis Moss, Crowder… Oh my head hurts!!!
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
i don't think Bly was horrible
obviously he was no Champ, but any corner opposite champ is going to struggle, especially during champs prime years.
He had\has such a reputation that QB’s avoid him. The side effect of that is that they target the other side of the field far more often. Bly was bound to get burned occasionally. The DC should have been smart enough to compensate with more safety help on that side of the field.
ugh...no wonder Shanny got fired
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Not that he was alone by any stretch of anyone’s imagination, but Bruton was noticeably horrible against the Pats. I think he was injured the first time he actually made contact with a Patriot player. And Moore seemed to be watching the game. From the field.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
Funny. Moore and Bush did seem to be watching the game… on the field, during the plays. It was sad.
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To be fair, the rest of the team wasn’t much better.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Jan 17, 2012 1:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yes they were actually. Moore and Bush were that bad. I’d have to include Joe Mays, David Bruton and Lance Ball into that mix. those four were no where near NFL players on Saturday night.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
the problem is...
They have Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter both playing at free safety, don’t they? Bruton is Dawkins’ backup. Maybe they still need a strong safety, and Carter hasn’t shown to be the most effective tackler.
I'd rather see...
Lamar Miller, Stephon Gilmore, Michael Brockers before Barron. Sign a vet via free agency to help the safety position out.
They have Brockers listed as a DE?
He’s a 6’5 300-305lb DT
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
i am sure he will be looked at as a 3-4 DE as well as 4-3 DT
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
True
but they had him going to the saints which is a 4-3 team. He’s very versatile and was apart of that LSU line. If he’s available and we pass him up, we’re nuts
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM MST up reply actions
the Pats have the Saints pick and they run both schemes so he would be ideal for them
Brockers over Barron for me every day of the week as well as Cox and Thompson
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I would love this pick...
This is the pick I am hoping for! Mark Barron is an excellent safety. He can tackle in the open field and can really help out in run support. I think he will be a great player in the NFL. Second, round they should draft a CB or a RB.
I'd rather trade out at that point.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
If Michael Brockers is there and we take a safety instead i'll go nuts
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:19 AM MST up reply actions
I would be shocked if he was there
A lot of mocks have him going top 10.
What about a guy like Dwanye Allen – TE from Clemson?
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Yeah me too, top 15 pick at least
I wouldnt take a TE that early. We have too many needs to go TE early.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM MST up reply actions
I don't know much about Dwayne(so I can't comment if he is worthy of being a 1st rder), but I would say adding offensive weapons would be a need
I would rate the WRs and TEs as below average
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I dont know too much about him either
Havent looked at TE’s much. I guess it really depends what they see in Thomas and Green this offseason. I’d rather just add a FA there.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 AM MST up reply actions
I'd rather take Kenny Tate in the 4th or 5th round.
by Bron#1 Fan on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Wasted pick
What ever happend to Vontaze Burfict? Thought he was a cant miss prospect? Not even a 1st rounder now
by CastorTroy on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Down year and is a head case
A 2nd rounder now, good player just a risky pick
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 AM MST up reply actions
Do you want a head case having the greet dot on his helmet? Yeah, me either.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Nope, rather see what Irving can do
He was supposed to be a first rounder before his accident.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 AM MST up reply actions
NO ON BURFICT!!!
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Burfict didn’t have a great year and is reported to have a very bad attitude. Immature, not easy to coach, too hostile and unpredictable.
We need a leader at MLB. Not a wild crazed dog. I’d take one of those at DT though.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Then get Irving in there.
Isn’t DJ owed 6 mil this year. Not worth it in my eyes. Not so much that I like Burfict, more not thrilled with DJ, Mays
by CastorTroy on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
DJ can play weakside LB.
Joe Mays can go be an insurance salesmen or hotel front desk clerk. His NFL days need to be numbered.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
he's okay at ST and as depth
but Mays should never again be an NFL starter, or ever again play a down in a passing situation… at least for a 4-3 team…
His liabilities are minimized in a 3-4, where he could be a below average 3-4 ILB, but in a 4-3, his liabilities in coverage and lateral movement/pursuit just killed us.
As you mention DJ is just fine as a WLB.
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I market insurance………….No, Joe Mays does not have the skill set to do my job, sorry.
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Maybe for Geico? At a call center?
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Like a good neighbor
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 17, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
for sure
Burfict is a loose cannon, I"m never about the drama, only the production
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 17, 2012 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
Goodman played like sh!t for most the season. Got burned by most wr. Yea he had his pkays but its irritating to see the opposing Qbs wind up and launch to his side and see the wr 2 steps in front if him and hes not even looking for the ball. Depending on whats left id say cb is a top priority whether it be free agency or the draft. Goodmans no Bailey and at the same age, there is def a huge difference in play.
by broncs27 on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I say we pick all defense and just rotate picks between LSU and Alabama
with maybe an RB in there if we don’t get a FA pickup
Alabama players haven't typically had a lot of success in the NFL
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No thanks. Ill take BPA DT/CB/WR/RB (Ive said no to 1st round RBs before, but Im coming around since we are only 25th)
I agree with Bena though. Waste of a pick. We have two safeties entering their second years. Give them a shot. Carter played much better the last few weeks. Also, I dont know WHAT you guys are talking about with Bruton. He played excellent ball the second half of the season. Bush was lousy also… but he was 5th string for a reason right?
We have needs at multiple positions. But some of those positions have youth, so it would stupid to draft them again.
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
I’ve never been impressed with Bruton. At all. And he was awful against the Pats. He made Hernandez look like Walter Payton running out of the backfield.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
that's Acid Bitterness though, not Sweetness :(
incidentally though, I received Jeff Perlman’s Walter Payton biography: Sweetness, for Christmas. It is a fascinating book, at least for NFL historians ERRR nerds like me
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
I'm with ya Teboner
… though I do think we need to bring in some safety competition… probably not a 1st rounder, but a solid vet FA or mid round pick I’d be all for.
In the first, if there is anyone even close to value at CB/DT/MLB, that is my pick. Irving may work out, but if he can’t beat out Mays, who is terrible at everything but tackling folks directly in front of him, I’m not optimistic. Replacing Mays will also make our safeties look better, because I saw at least 2 plays early in the NE game where the safeties couldn’t make a play to stop a middle pass to the TE because Mays didn’t get deep enough in his drop in the middle zone… the safety makes the tackle and was the closest coverage guy, but thats just because Mays allowed TB to put no loft on the ball and drop it in front of the safety on the backend of his middle zone.
If not any of those positions, RB could work, but like with most 1st rnd RBs, I’m not sure the guys like available there are that much better than 2nd/3rd round options… in whcih case try to trade back a few slots and add value that way.
Im not worried about Irving.
Somewhere it was posted showing just how few middle/inside LBs started their rookie season. Its the QB of the defense, a lot of learning and transition from college to pro. Rookies starting at that position is the exception, not the rule. Casey Matthews (stud at Oregon) got pulled in the first half of the season because he couldnt hack it. It was too much for a rookie to do. He’ll be good, but it was just too soon. Im sure Mays called a good game, its the execution that hurt us. Irving wouldnt have helped, regardless of tackling ability.
As far as RB goes, I suppose if we could get that Miller guy at 25, Id be happy. He would be a superb rotational/change of pace back for a year or so until McGahee turns it in or gets hurt. I would prefer another position, but I dont think Id be upset.
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
No thanks
I prefer we let our 2nd round draft pick develop before we spend a draft pick to replace him.
The DT value is going to be perfect for where we are picking. Brockers, Still, or Dontari Poe would be a very nice pick.
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id even be open to trading up for him if we had too.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
we have too many needs to trade up for anyone in the 1st.
The only trade ups I expect will be like last year when we trade from the 5th to the 4th and lose a 6th round draft pick in the process.
Trading up in the 1st is a terrible idea for any team unless you are competing for a Super Bowl now. Look at Atlanta. Trade up for Julio Jones. Get blown out in the Wild Card round.
The Broncos have needs at CB, DT, MLB, RB, WR, TE, OG, etc. We need every draft pick available to try and fill the holes.
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And Atlanta has no depth.
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What do you guys think about moving Goodman to safety?
Along the same lines as I’ve heard discussed in regards to Champ. Let Goodman finish his career at safety, while our young guys back there develop. We can buy more time to see if they’re going to be legit starters. Harris replaces Goody, and we can see if he’s a #2 CB. Draft a high CB or acquire a FA to learn under Champ, and hopefully become his replacement in a couple years.
by eastCOrange&Blue on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
No, a safety has to tackle well
and that’s Goodman’s weakness.
by Broncologist on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
For a position like Safety, where they just used two draft picks last draft, I’d rather sign a veteran and allow Moore and Carter to develop. Hopefully they’re will be a solid CB, DT, or RB available at 25 or just trade down and stockpile picks.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I would like to see if Woodyard could be SS and Carter FS
What do you all think?
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 17, 2012 10:26 AM MST reply actions
no no no
Woodyard would be a huge coverage liability as a SS.
Absolutely not.
good for a LB
is totally different than good for a LB…
and re: “worse than Dawk”… who knows, but Dawk was also a major liability in coverage.
I’m tired of having to scheme around slow, subpar coverage safeties…. Dawk brought other benefitsto the team that made him valuable (like TT, who is a lousy passer but who has other good things that make him valuable), but his coverage skills were below average at best. I want 2 safeties back there, either of which I feel comfortable with playing a single-high zone. If you have that flexibility, you have a ton more options in how to disguis/scheme your coverages underneath. As is, we are much more limited in our zone schemes, because the offense knows that Dawk will never be in single-high… he may be barely sufficient in a 2-deep, but even then if we want to stop the deep pass we’re more likely to use a cover 3 varient and/or have Dawk take a short zone… using WW as a safety would be no better, and possibly worse because he doesn’t have 15 years worth of instinct to help him get good jumps on the play.
for relative value, I'm maybe okay with this
but WW has even worse problems than DJ in shedding blocks and holding the point of attack. Don’t kid yourself that this is an upgrade.
If the extra cap space lets us get a better MLB or DBs, sure it might be worth it… but WW isn’t a step forward, and is more treading water.
that's the thing
lateral move to promote WW as a starter. save roughly 6 mil on DJ’s salary to bring in an upgrade at MLB or Safety. I’m with ya.
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problem is
I don’t think cap space is the limiting factor on our MLB/safety search….
in which case keeping both DJ and WW, with DJ being the better overall player (if just marginally) makes sense. Having a little depth at LB is not a bad thing either, given injuries are the norm, not the exception.
You don't draft Safeties out of NEED, you draft them to develop...
Rahim Moore and Quintin Carter both struggled during the season and Carter progressed faster than Moore. This is not the time to be labeling these guys busts. The Broncos need to go after the best FA available aggressive so we have veteran leadership back there. Hope like hell BDawk stays on as Secondary ass’t coach. I think EFX should try to get more 2nd rd picks as there is the same talent level there as there is where we pick at 25.
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Broncos trade down for more 2nd or 3rd rounders
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Now my man Jim Rome
of all people, is speculating on what Elway’s endorsement of Tebow really means, guess the MSM is hellbent to have something to talk about, eh?
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM MST reply actions
I had a feeling it’d end up like that. The MSM is trying to convince everyone that they’re just reacting to Tebowmania, but in reality, they are the ones who started it. I’ve avoided most sports channels since Saturday night.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I like Barron in the 1st if EFX feel it is the best choice, because that would mean they don’t think any of our young safety’s are good enough to be the guy at SS. I think picking at 25 will give us a good advantage at picking up some good value at positions that are not usually taken earlier like interior linemen. There should be some very good OG’s available when we pick.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Jan 17, 2012 2:28 PM MST reply actions
it's funny how that works out
teams that perform well on the field often are able to reload by finding value picks without moving up.
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
NFL.com Wyche has the broncos taking Nick Perry which doesn't make much sense.
He’s an undersized DE, but the broncos already have one. Though, it is interesting he has Trent Richardson falling to 17. If he falls that far, the broncos better trade up and get him. We thought the rushing attack was good this year? Tag Richardson up with McGahee and the broncos would be breaking the team rushing record again.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM MST reply actions
Seems like a bad pick because of last draft, but we need somebody back there with some sort of instincts, the reaction time by Carter/Bruton/Moore/Bush are just plain Bad. We need some impact players back there.
The question lies, where does CHamp fit into this? Is he gonna move to Saftey soon? Couple years?
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