Ideal FA period: Defense
by 32Bronco32 on Jan 17, 2012 8:40 AM MST
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PrintI'm just going to make this simple. This is what I want our defense to look like next year. I know we are near the top of the league in cap space so I think this is possible.
Guys we pick up:
Cliff Avril, D'quwell Jackson, Cortland Finnegan, Laron Landry
With these pick ups our defense looks like:
Avril Thomas Bunkley Dumervil
Miller Jackson DJ
Champ Finnegan
Carter Landry
Ayers becomes rotational, Mays and Bruton go back to strictly special teamers, Harris, Vaughn, and Squid are good corner depth. Look at that line up, it's scary. This is assuming Dawk retires.
If anyone has what our cap numbers are going to be this year I'd love to see what they look like to get a better idea on what we can and cannot do this off season.
If you guys have things you'd like to change, add or remove I'd love to hear them, the more input we get the wiser we all become and quite frankly you'd be hard pressed to find a fan base that understands their team better than our fan base.
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I'd settle for Finnegan and Landry
Hopefully Bowlen is willing to spend some money now that he’s got the cash cow that is Tim Tebow.
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LOL you'd settle for Landry and Finnegan? You've got high standards.
I’m hope to God we can get Landry so we don’t have to waste a draft pick and focus on getting a pocket collapsing DT. Speaking of DT, surprise you(meaning OP) don’t have Ty Warren starting over Thomas.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
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Ty Warren
He hasn’t played now since ‘09 so I have doubts about what he can bring to the table and at the end of the day DT depth is a huge positive so it would be a pleasant surprise if Warren can come in and start. I’m obviously not the coach so im sure fox will have the correct guys in the line up on game day.
Alright just wanted to know your opinion on Warren, like I said I hope we can get a pocket collapsing DT next year be it Warren or a rookie.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
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Ty Warren will be ONLY 31 this year, with 2 years off. YEAH
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I live in Detroit as well
So i see Cliff Avril a lot and his pass rushing skills are near the elite level. He will bring 7- 11 sacks to any team that signs him and Detroit probably won’t retain him because they’re trying to restructure megatrons contract which will break records.
I would add Curtis Loftin to the wish list
MLB is a big need mays can’t get the job done and so far Irving is only a special team player and backup .
by ultraclassic04 on Jan 17, 2012 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
I live in the DC area, Huge broncos fan since 85
Laron Landry has reoccuring achillies tendon injury and did not play the last 5 to 6 games of the season! Redskins will likely not resign him. We would have to make sure he is healthy b4 we sign him!
by BRONCOFAN4LF on Jan 17, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
Please find out more
about this and elaborate on it because many are becoming obsessed with him coming to Denver, including me.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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Good to know
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
LaRon Landry has been glass so far.
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Finnegan is a must. We won't find a guy that can start opposite Champ Bailey in the draft.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
What about Carlos Rodgers?
Thank you Broncos for such a fantastic year! Thank you for coming together as a TEAM! Thank you for giving us a reason to believe again! I love you guys!!!
There is no way the 49ers let him go
That would be like us letting go of a young Champ Bailey
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You think?
Finnegan is good but I think he’s hit a wall with the FO at Tennessee. Plus, they just shelled out buku bucks for CJ1K; Locker is gonna need a contract soon; they need receivers. I just don’t see Finnegan sticking around in Tenn.
Rogers would be a good pick, too – but I think he has aged a bit. I think it’s the same thing as our safety-shuffle — we bring in John Lynch, Dawk, etc. that are pro-bowl safeties at the end of their careers. It’s a band-aid, not the recipe for a playoff contender. I think we need some solid, good youth in the secondary.
I agree with EFJ – ideally, Finnegan and Landry would end up with us. I would like to pick up Avril, too, and get a pass-rushing DT. That would be rather formidable — but I just don’t see us eating the cost of that many big-name players in FA.
Finnegan is a little over hyped.
This is probably bad value for the dollar. Might be an upgrade but at what price? He’ll cost money and he seems like a knucklehead. Not sure that is what young team needs right now
by Triz06 on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
There are a bunch of aggressive CBs that didn't make the playoffs.
Asante Samuel, Cromartie, Routt… Cortland…
But those guys are horrible tacklers
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
I would take Asante Samuel any day. The guy is a pick machine.
Also there were a bunch of aggressive secondary play with the Texans, Ravens, Saints, and 49ers. Being aggressive just shows that they have confidence.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 17, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
I like the way our D looks with all those guys, Landry a must I think.
Thank you Broncos for such a fantastic year! Thank you for coming together as a TEAM! Thank you for giving us a reason to believe again! I love you guys!!!
Xanders mentioned the "internal budget" multiple times yesterday
We won’t be spending up to the cap. I’d be surprised if we make much noise in FA. I think this team has cash flow problems
I don't buy that anymore
Tebow is a world wide phenomenon; if they’re not making money now they never will and Bowlen should just sell the team to an owner with deeper pockets.
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Tebow sales nets Denver 1/32 of the total. NFL Properties
Tim Tebow belongs to the NFL and is optioned out to Denver for now.
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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and tebow gets a cut of all jersey sales
the real problem is that you don’t have to pay to type his name or say it on TV.
Playoffs!?!? Playoffs!?!? Don't talk about Playoffs!! Playoffs?!?!
not sure about that
Cash budget can change from year to year, and there are years where there are way more cap expenditures than cash expenditures.
I thought new CBA required spending to 95% of cap?
Also:
Ty Warren/K Vickerson would definitely be in the mix for starting DL. In fact, Bunkley/Warren would likely start with Vickerson/Thomas coming off rotation. That depth alone moves us up in quality depth for sure compared to Unrein/McBean. Im sure we’ll add DT/DE via FA and Draft. I think they’ll let M Thomas walk. I’d like to see if Nate Irving uproot Mayes w/o going for a MLB via FA? I like growing our own…
"we don't plan to fail, we fail to plan"
" character is who you are, reputation is what they say about you"
"always have character, don't be one"
you don't have to get up to cap numbers until the third year of this CBA
that is why the Buccaneers didn’t have to spend all their extra money yet. BTW I think they are the spot for Mario Williams IMO.
Playoffs!?!? Playoffs!?!? Don't talk about Playoffs!! Playoffs?!?!
Am I the only one who DOESNT want to see Finnegan in orange?
I hate the guy. He is good, but he has serious attitude problems. I see him more of a problem player than a motivator..
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
No, I can't stand the guy
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 17, 2012 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
I don't like the guy...
…but I like his talent.
Me too
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
At the end of the day
Hes physical and brings a tenacity to a defense that I would love to have in orange. Maybe being around Champ helps his mentality out. The guy is tough and I love that. Never back down mindset.
Never back down gets you in trouble. Dude was stupid enough to get in a fist fight with Andre Johnson of all people
I have a feeling EFX will only bring in no-nonsense players. Maybe he has cleaned it up though. Didnt see much out of him this tyear. Ill take tenacity..as long as it comes with control.
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
Nope. I dont want that punk anywhere near my favorite team
Quite possibly one of my favorite NFL moments
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
by Calikula on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Bill Romanowski helped us get 2 Super Bowls
And he spit in another player’s face on tape in a game.
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Romanowski has 4 SB rings and played in 5 SB
Finnegan is no where near his talent level
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Oh and when he starts a fight, he usually wins
like that Raider teammate whos career he ended with a broken eye socket…instead of embarrasing his team by starting a fight and getting his a** whipped in the process
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I hate Finnegan as a Titan
But if he were a Bronco I’d love him; one of my many character flaws :)
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I wouldnt
He’s not talented enough for me to look past those character flaws
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Isn't Asante Samuel a free agent?
He’d be my first choice as an immediate replacement for Goodie.
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I'll take him over Cort
but where we really need help is at safety
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
No.
But he is due 3.5 mil this year and 4 mil next year. He also will get 4.8 mil if he plays 75% of the defensive snaps from when he signed. I would guess if we cut him he would not reach that. Maybe he already did.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
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and...
deliberate broke a guy’s finger at the bottom of a pile once. I don’t think he’s the type of player to aspire to, despite his talent level. You can get good talent and at least average character at the same time.
Which Cort has neither
I think he’s a slightly above average player with questionable character. No thanks
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Make that video green people.
Watching Finnegan get punked by AJ was soooo good to me.
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
but you would love Andre Johnson I bet
Playoffs!?!? Playoffs!?!? Don't talk about Playoffs!! Playoffs?!?!
Yeah, this kind of thing is the exception for him, not the norm
Not like Cortland taking cheap shots at Kuper on the bottom of the pile.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I actually don't like Finnegan but like the rest.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
I doubt we get all...
Shocked if we even got 1. Landry is a stud…Shanny needs that guy. If he lets him go… its probably b/c he’s damaged goods.
Avril is a good player, but he plays on a great Dline. Who knows how much his level of play is aided by the guys around him.
Cortland I’m not impressed with… and I’d have to do more research on jackson.
Agreed on all the comments...
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
Where are we getting all this money?
Xanders said yesterday the Broncos were up to 98% of their budget limit. We still had 24 million available cap…so idk if we can afford all those guys
The baseline salary cap is $120.375M
95% of that number is $114.356M
That means out of the approximately $24M in cap space we have we need to spend about $18M more next year. We’re going to have money to spend; they’ve just got to do it intelligently.
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Nevermind, it's more complicated than that
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp
We have to spend 99% of the cap ($120.375M) in 2012. We still have to spend about $23M bucks.
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All $24m will probably all go in-house.
Bunkley, Colquitt, Prater and Larsen have to be re-signed.
Then there are Clark, Woodyard, Fells, Ball, Willis, McBean, Royal, Mays, Hunter, and Williams.
And lastly Hochstein, Goodman, Haggan, Quinn.
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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DJ Williams is signed through 2013. Mays and Hochstein need to go. Replace Larsen with Woodyard. He’s more of a needs to be resigned. The rest can come back on the cheap, if they so choose
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Wasn't he talking about cash budget? That's not cap budget is it?
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Finnegan is a dirty player.
I’m not sure I want to be giving up all those 15 yd penalties. I like nasty guys that make plays, not nasty penalty machines that sometimes make plays.
Finnegan doesn't have the speed
We need a DB with fluid hips and good speed to match up against Oak speedy wrs, SD’s deep balls and big wrs, and the B’s of KC, Breaston, Bowe, Baldwin all can find the ball. Goody looked too much like a follow corner, Harris looks to be like a Charles Woodson, Plays outside until we go nickel or dime, then he moves into the slot. Vaughn has good speed but showed that when you pick on him that he isn’t ready for #1 WR… Syd showed promise before injury. I think a quality FA would let us put more stock in either DL or lightning fast RB.
by DurangoTebowFan on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM MST reply actions
Landry would be the one I'd go after.
The broncos defense isn’t that far away. Bronocos need a veteran safety like Brain Dawkins to come in. When this defense was at it’s peak, Brian Dawkins was every where. Broncos need to regain that by going after Landry.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM MST reply actions
Let's go aout and get DE Mario Williams, OLB DeMarco Ryans and S LeRon Landry and draft a couple of stud corners to learn behind Champ, Goody and Harris.
Suddenly this team would be looking like a 15th ranked or lower defense.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
b2b b2b b2b..you REALLY think Houston will let Mario and DeMarco go? NAH
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This is the kind of posts we need now instead of mocks.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I am not a Jackson OR Finnegan fan
Jackson misses some crazy easy tackles tat my grandma could make (shes 5’2 100lbs).
Finnegan is the absolute antithesis of what our team is!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
i'd take Finnegan
the guy is tough, and a douche, which is good. Gets in WR’s heads.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 19, 2012 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
Including the ones on his own team. No thanks, pass
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 20, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
IMO the FO will build around 'last year'
I do not see them ‘investing’ much in safety, TE or linebacker since they stocked up last year.
Targets are CB and RB with fillin at WR, DT, OL.
I have no idea how they attack QB.
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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