The Option (with Tebow) is NOT a Gimmick
This past Saturday, the much-maligned defense of the New England Patriots stepped up to the challenge of the Denver Broncos, and then some. As was to be expected, much the postmortem focused on Tim Tebow and the option elements of the Broncos offense. After all, those are the two things that stand out about this team. Forget the dropped passes, the blown blocking assignments, and whatever other inefficiencies that plagued that unit Saturday night: the NFL punditry and their acolytes in the public are trying to have the last laugh by claiming that the Denver suffered this embarrassing comeuppance because it dared to fly in the face of traditional wisdom. I, obviously, disagree.
Before getting into mock drafts in the past, I’ve always down a roster breakdown of sorts so that we can openly discuss the state of the team and you can all see where I’m coming from when I finally do start publishing mocks. This year that evaluative process begins even further away from the draft board, all the way back in a discussion about more general football theory. I hope you’ll forgive the extended length of this post and contribute to the discussion in the comments below: I come to you with a strong opinion of my own, but open to changing my mind and at least interested in what you all have to say about it. Follow me below the fold, if you please.
Just One of the Guys: the Option Offense
Ever since Tim Tebow took the reins of the Denver Broncos offense earlier this season and offensive coordinator Mike McCoy incorporated some spread and read option elements into his game plans, there has been a heated debate about the merits of such a scheme at the highest level of football. I believe the orthodox thought process goes a little like this: the spread option is a college scheme that thrives on inferior opposition, but professional defenses are superior to those offenses, therefore it will fail in the NFL. That is valid logic, as each claim seems to follow from its antecedent, but is it truly sound?
What the spread option tries to do is two-fold, yet simple: the spread component intends to create space in which to locate and exploit mismatches, while the option element is designed to eliminate the conceded numerical advantage of an immobile quarterback. Since the spread is now a viable foundation for professional offenses thanks to the passing revolution of recent years, I don’t think I need to defend it. What I will say about it is that, much like the now nearly ubiquitous shotgun formation before it, the spread was once believed to be untenable in the NFL; now, however, they are at the cutting edge of offenses at every level of football. I believe the option can follow suit, but you have to have the right players with which to make it work.
Why do teams pull offensive linemen, or bunch wide receivers? Why do they slant defensive linemen, and call overload blitzes? The answer to these questions is one and the same: to create an isolated numerical advantage. An offense with a traditional quarterback is playing ten against eleven on every snap. They have to overcome this deficiency by others means. The very first thing that the option does is return the balance on the playing field back to eleven on eleven, but that’s not all. The option also adds an additional layer to every play call, because a QB run is a possibility on every down. This forces the defense to either play back on its heels, or gamble one way or the other at their own peril.
I’ve heard and read comparisons to the Wildcat offense, popularized in the NFL by the Miami Dolphins. That offense was initially successful, to the point that many other teams implemented similar packages, before it fizzled out. But the Wildcat is an even worse numerical disadvantage than the traditional offense. Rather than making the QB position a two-fold threat and thereby recreating an eleven on eleven match-up, the Wildcat simply trades a pure passer for another rusher. Moreover, it trades a slot receiver for a secondary running back. Finally, it completely sacrifices an outside receiver by putting an immobile QB in its place. That’s a threefold weakening of the passing game (which completely guts it as a threat) in exchange for a two-pronged rushing threat. Defenses predictably made the easy adjustments and squashed the formation.
The spread option is different from the Wildcat in so many ways that it’s almost pointless to compare the two. First, the player receiving the snap is still a threat to pass the ball effectively. Second, by having the two rushing threats already in the backfield, there is no need to sacrifice a slot receiver for the secondary potential ball carrier. Moreover, this allows for a multi-directionality to the running options that is largely lacking in the Wildcat. Third, the passer does not need to occupy a foreign position on the field, thereby rendering it useless like is the case with the traditional quarterback at outside receiver in the other offense. In all of these ways, the spread option is not only different, but superior to the Wildcat. "If it’s such a decided schematic advantage," you ask, "why don’t more teams try it?" Well, like I said above, you need the right people with which to do it.
One of a Kind: Tim Tebow
One of the main concerns about running the option in the NFL is the durability of the quarterback. This is a valid concern, especially when you juxtapose the type of QBs that usually run spread options in college and the defenses they’ll be facing in professional football. Smaller, quicker players are usually tapped to lead option attacks in college football, probably because it adds explosiveness to the position that’s useful in exploiting less polished defenses. NFL defenses, however, are populated by players that are not only better at their jobs: they’re also bigger, faster, and stronger. This combination does not bode well for the future of the aforementioned offensive prospects at the next level. But what if you used a different archetype for the QB position in a spread option?
What if you sacrificed speed for power, explosiveness for durability? What if your quarterback was still fast enough to give even athletic defensive ends a run for their money around the corner, comparable physically to the linebackers at the next level, and too big for the defensive backs that composed the last line of defense behind them? That’s what you have in one Tim Tebow. The reason that even detractors like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay thought Tebow could move to H-back, fullback, tight end or some other such nonsense in the NFL is because he has the size and athleticism to excel at those positions. And what do they always say about good TEs? "He’s too fast for LBs, too big for DBs." Well, Tim brings similar traits to similar matchups at the QB position in a spread option offense! That said, you can’t just plug in one player, draw up and call some specialized plays, and judge that as an option offense: T.T. already has some perfect help, but he needs some reinforcements.
Every King Needs a Court
One thing that an option team needs is wide receivers that can block. Thankfully, we have two very good ones at that in Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker. They also need to be explosive down the field with their limited opportunities in the passing game and both of those outside guys have demonstrated that ability to some extent. Another possibility from the position, particularly in the slot, is a player that can be an option in the running game. I’ve noticed that Eddie Royal has been playing in this way some and his return skills justify this usage. At the University of Florida where Tim Tebow ran a spread option, this position was referred to as the Percy position, named so after superstar Gator Percy Harvin; it adds unique wrinkles to the offense and can be an invaluable part of its success against tougher defenses.
The spread option usually utilizes smaller speed backs at the running back position, but we’ve seen how effective it can be with a power runner like Willis McGahee instead. That said, we’ve also seen the sort of depth that is required at RB in order to sustain the attack. Finally, our offensive line is well suited for this attack, as it consists of smaller, more athletic linemen. While some look at our roster and see a need more impact playmakers, I believe we could use more deployable depth throughout. Versatility in formations and depth are keys if we are to make this style work for us.
Moneyball on the Gridiron
One of the hidden advantages of employing a unique offense is that the players that are required may well be undervalued commodities in the NFL market. I’m not sure how many of you are familiar with the concept of Moneyball, but it could apply to us in a way. Moneyball is the term applied to the Oakland Athletics approach to roster-building. Since they did not have the payroll to compete with the big market teams in the salary-cap-less Major League Baseball, they could not afford to look at the game in the same way as those competitors. In other words, if they went after the same things that the big money teams did, they’d lose out because they’d always be outbid. So they decided to find a different way to win games, and they found it by eschewing the traditional stats in favor of more advanced metrics that were being overlooked at the time. They used this approach to acquire undervalued assets with which to build a winning team in an unorthodox way. They were ridiculed at first, but they had enough success to then be emulated by others that would finally achieve the ultimate success. We’ve seen a similar phenomenon in the NFL.
When the league first started turning back to the 3-4 defenses a while back, the first teams that did so enjoyed the advantage of an untapped talent pool. Those few that made the leap had their pick of all of those players that better fit their system. It was acknowledged in the statement that "3-4 defenses can always find talent to fit their scheme later in the draft." The reason why was because they weren’t competing with that many others for the services of those prospects. Supply was fairly high, demand was quite low, and so the price (in terms of draft resources and free agent dollars) was depressed. This has since changed because there are so many more such defenses in the league. It’s one of the reasons why some of those original 3-4 defensive powerhouses have fallen off, or why they’ve had to commit so many resources to sustain that side of the ball that their respective offenses have languished behind.
Right now the Denver Broncos have a unique opportunity. They can embrace it, become the first dedicated spread option offense, and reap the rewards. They have the perfect quarterback for it, solid pieces around him to add to, and the wind of a great winning streak because of it at their back. They can target other players that fit the scheme that are overlooked elsewhere because they’re unconventional, so they can get them for less. The media will mock us and some fans won’t believe, but winning cures everything. If it fails, it fails and we have to rebuild, just like any other team whose nucleus doesn’t reach that critical mass. But if it succeeds, we could run roughshod for quite some time before anyone else has the good sense to do anything about it. I believe it can work and you might not, but shouldn’t we at least find out for sure?
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Interesting points, rec'd...
I look forward to reading the discussion on this. I think I can learn a few things from this post. Thanks!
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Erras.
Like everything in it's infancy it needs to evolve
I compared the option to the wildcat because they were both offensive strategy’s which took the league by storm when they were first introduced but once teams got tape on them, they figured them out and were able to shut them down easily. Now the wildcat was not able to evolve past it’s initial form and it became a gimmick. I think we can all agree that the current Broncos offense which uses spread option elements needs to evolve if it wants to see long term success. However because it can incorporate the pass a lot easier it does have much more room to be able to grow.
Most teams that run a spread option do because they have a QB whose greatest weakness is throwing the football and that is somewhat true with the Broncos. Tebow’s development and evolution as a QB will go hand in hand with the evolution of this offense. If Tebow quits developing, this offense will quit developing as well and it’ll be doomed to gimmick purgatory just like the wildcat. If Tebow develops and becomes a consistent passer than this offense will develop beyond it’s premature stages where it can be used as a base formation like the form-I or the single back shotgun spread. If this happens then the option will have evolved beyond a gimmick.
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Evolution
I think most fans that are familiar with spread options know just how vanilla that aspect of our offense was this season. You can’t really incorporate something that different on the fly, so I don’t really blame McCoy that much for it. I think a commitment to the spread option (by maybe bringing in an option game coordinator) would be a good move.
Erras.
A lot of IFs
The success of a spread offense in Denver is dependent upon the QB. I will continue my mantra: as soon as fans stop believing the Tebow is the greatest thing since sliced bread then real progress can be made. Michael Vick and Vince Young are better passer than Tebow (IMO). These two QB may be better suited for denver option attack (I’m not sold on the premise of the spread option as our base offense BUT I will be dismissed because I’m 62 y.o and a traditionalist. Denver had issues with its execution: inconsistent OL play, dropped passes, WR not gaining separation, too much relience of running attack (to mask, overcome passing defeciencies), etc. What was missing about defeciencies in the original article was tebow’s passing problems. AS I read the article that was my firts thought and that the author just missed that point BUT as i read later it became apparent “the one of a kind – Tim Tebow” I stayed away most of the season because of the mass of placing Tebow on a pedastal above all others. Some posters recognized the contributions of the other 52 layers on the squad. 53 players share the glory and 53 players get the blame for the losses. When Tim Tebow stops being the polarizing figure that fans and MSM make him, the I believe the Broncos will gain immeasureably and we as fans won’t be so starved for sucess. BTW being out in NH I had to resort to adding NFL Red Zone to eatch snippets of Broncos game . I enjoyed the experience and flew up off the couch and yell at D.Thomas to run like hell in the OT victory vs. Pittsburgh. I cheer for Broncos and Tebow but I don not believe in placing any above the others.
Durability.
Mike Vick hasn’t shown the physical toughness to stay on the field in a traditional offense that doesn’t expose him to as much punishment as the spread option would, and Vince Young hasn’t shown the mental toughness to be a starting QB in this league. I don’t believe either would be a solid option for any team as a franchise QB going forward.
Look, we can disagree about the direction of the Broncos all day, I won’t ever dismiss you or anyone else for a differing opinion. I’m working on a roster evaluation post and I’m giving our QB position a B-, so it’s not like I’m saying that Tebow is perfect right now. What I am trying to do is sell a vision of a radically unique direction for this franchise, so I’m highlighting the positive aspects of its potential to help make the case. I’m sure you understand.
Erras.
hot buttons
Fans will always disagree about the direction their team takes, second guessing coaches, front office, etc. This is the life blood of sports blogs, sports radio, ,and message boards . We do disagreee about the direction. I have a tendency to go off the deep end due to comments like “one of a kind” and “Every king has his court” The exaltation of one player that does possess some winning attributes but clearly has room for improvment above the other 52 players just isn’t right (my opinion).No one person wins nor loses a game in the NFL. There are always multiple game balls that should go out for each game as well as multiple goat horns for each game. When the mass of NFL fans and commentators talk Broncos and less Tebow , Broncos will gain immeasureably. It wasn’t just you that I was posting about; it’s the many Tebow fanatics that came early in the season that should receive my venom. At least recently, the personal attacks on posters that did not buy in to Tebow “hook, line and sinker” has disappeared. Keep the good work and we’ll root for greater success in the 2012- 2013 season.
I See...
you have a point, and I apologize for the perceived slight to the rest of our team. The one thing I’ll say for my approach is that the QB position in a spread option is even that much more central than it already is in the traditional offense.
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Not likely to happen
While I agree with your thought, this is not likely to happen in my opinion. The reason I don’t think it is likely to happen is twofold. First, John Elway continues to talk about passing from the pocket, and what Tebow needs to improve on (passing from the pocket). Some pundits have suggested this is misdirectional hyperbole, meant to possibly throw other teams off of our true draft intention. Could be, but John has been saying the same thing since day one of the his tenure, he wants a guy that can run the game from the pocket.
Second, this type of move is an all or nothing proposition. You would have to add quarterbacks to the roster that are capable of making hay on the ground, and are adept at the slight of hand required to run read option plays. LeFevour, Daren Thomas, Dennis Dixon, Vince Young are other guys that can run this offense, and are likely under valued as you stated. You also need receivers that are good blockers, which doesn’t always translate to good at receiving. Typically the tight end in such a scheme is either not used, or is more of a blocker. Not sure if there is a distinction that can be made between a “regular” lineman and a read option lineman. So the roster would have some alterations.
My thought is we will have more of a traditional offense next season. We may run a lot of shot gun read option type sets, but ultimately it will be the qb handing off or passing from the pocket. I just don’t think this leadership is willing to go down a road for 2-3 years to see if this can work. This is a win now league, which is why changes were made this season. It will be much harder to run the ball for us next season (based on what we saw the last several games). In order for us to maintain where we are, or to take a step forward we will have to incorporate an intermediate and short passing game.
I would love to see us go with different, bring in VY and LeFevour and maybe draft Thomas late and force defenses to commit to stopping the option run. Because with all of the pass happy offenses in the league defense will begin to trend to quicker and faster, which typically means smaller and not as strong. We showed this year we can overpower teams. Now if we can also show that while overpowering them we can also pass the ball more consistently we would be ahead of the game. Time will tell, but I wouldn’t hold my breath!
by brettden on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
In the last 5 weeks we ran for....
252, 133, 216, 131 and 144 yards respectively. That’s over 175 yards a game at 4.7 yards a carry. Both of which lead the entire NFL on average for the entire season! Not sure where you come up with:
“It will be much harder to run the ball for us next season (based on what we saw the last several games).”
Von Miller and Dumervil are basically racing to see who's first to the QB...Love this feeling!!!
point taken
Maybe I should have said last three weeks (106/3.5; 156/6.8 (I think everyone would agree we won this game through the air not on the ground, but still ood numbers); 144/3.6).
The point is without an intermediate passing game our running game is going to struggle next year, in my opinion. We were able to thow the ball for yards, but couldn’t generate points. Then we were running hte ball well but still coundn’t generate points. We have to score more to win, or we have to have a defense that is elite at all three levels.
If we can’t be more effective in the short and itermediate throws next year we will not have such strong rushing numbers, again just my opinion.
by brettden on Jan 17, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Those short and intermediate passes
Will dramatically improve our chances of converting more third downs, which is why we had problems scoring. The reason for the heavy run totals was because we didn’t have those intermediate throws. If we were able to complete those passes more consistently, there would have been a decrease in rushing totals that correlated with that. McCoy was more comfortable running on third and seven and punting it away if we didn’t pick it up than to have Tebow try to pick it up passing. Not having those completions consistently, artificially inflated our rushing totals more than anything and it wouldn’t be any different next season. We’ll still be able to run the ball without them, but we’ll have a rough time picking up third down and medium, just like we did this year,
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by CH74 on Jan 17, 2012 4:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Giants game
I was watching the giants game this weekend, and watching Eli I see what Elway is talking about. The guy is a game breaker from the pocket. If Tebow can become 70-80% of what Eli is he will be a superbowl caliber qb. It is a really tough question for the decision makers because the bottom line is cant find out what Tebow can become without making a commitment to him . . .
I think they've hitched the team to Tebow and are ready to pull that wagon forward
He’s shown the ability to hit the intermediate stuff late in the season. This offseason will tell the tale of just how far he’ll go. I have faith we’ll see improvement in Tebow’s game and we’ll start to see more balance in the offense. With Fox, we’ll always lean on the run though.
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Until we are a true veteran team with vets all across the board
This is not a bad approach. I have faith that Fox tries to put his players in position to succeed. He leans conservative first by nature, but I suspect that given a set of veteran players with the skills to let it loose, he is not afraid to rain a little fire down.
Tebow with vets
I think this is an area where Tebow is one of the best in the NFL. Ultimate potential aside, he has the respect of his teamates because he is in it to win. Our team will follow Tebow, even if it doesn’t look pretty all the time.
Technically
Tebow is now a vet himself, to me, anyone who is not a rookie anymore, is a veteran.
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 19, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions
I think both of your top two conjectures are false
You say:
First, John Elway continues to talk about passing from the pocket, and what Tebow needs to improve on (passing from the pocket).
While I agree that is true that Elway says this and I agree there is truth in the statement (Tim needs to improve), that does not, in my reckoning anyway, preclude a regular dose of the spread option. In fact, since conventional passing games can be run from the same formation, an effective pocket passing game from those formations would increase the effectiveness of both games. Defenses will have NO IDEA what is coming at them. Pittsburgh found out how deceptive that can be. Our entire team looked simply lethargic against the Pats (Colquitt hitting 30 yard punts consistently… our D getting gashed consistently… our O-line looking like turnstiles). If we can hit the medium quicker passes more effectively, we would be very hard to predict.
You say:
Second, this type of move is an all or nothing proposition.
I don’t see this as true. Many teams have uniquely talented starters with backups that do not have the same skill set. I agree that we have a slightly different perspective on the other skill positions we want playing in this system (which, as pointed out, is not a bad thing), but I don’t think we are ever going to devalue the ability to catch a ball by WRs (we are not going to replace them with full backs, for instance). I think we absolutely can, and more importantly SHOULD run the spread option enough to keep the Ds off balance. We proved this year that it is definitely not ALL OR NOTHING. With some time to add creativity to the whole, I think McCoy can get us to a place of nice balance.
by Da Bum on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
option game
I agree read option, and read option play action have been very effective for us. But this post is about us running an option (qb run) based offense. I do think, again my opinion, that moving further down the option road will require some unique personnel. A for example is the Houston Oilers run-and-shoot with Mouse Davis. They eliminated TE and FB from their roster, and it took them time to rework the roster as they moved back toward a “traditional” offense. If we go read option qbs, then decide to scrap the option offense 2-3 years down the road, we will have to redo that position, and possibly WR and TE.
I really do hope we go for it, because I think unique can be a winner in the NFL. And I really wnat Tebow to be our qb. I remember the feeling I had when Mobley knocked down Farves 4th down pass, and when Rod went 80 yards against the crappy birds. I felt that way several times this season (Vikings and Jets games come to mind). I don’t really care if going down the option road crashes and burns, I hope we go for it, just don’t know if NFL long timers like Elway will be as willing as I . . .
Unlikely, Yes...
I’m with you in that I also doubt the Broncos are going to go in this direction, and also right there with you wishing that they would! This is a real opportunity, what with the pieces already in place and the rest of the roster barren enough to tailor it in a radically new direction.
Erras.
I don't think the option is a gimmick but I also don't think it is sustainable even with Tebow.
I think it can be used but only as a complement to plays that are found in a conventional offense. If we run soley an option offense then we’ll have games like we saw against the patriots with few ways to adjust. (I’ll admit our line was terrible so nothing from any offense could probably happen).
If we run half conventional and half spread then IMO we can have the best of both worlds and be dangerous no matter what the defense schemes. We can run the spread and we should because Tim is great from the Shotgun but he also needs to be able to take his 3,5,6 step drops to pass and be accurate from it.
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Mix and Match
I agree we can’t go all option, sure, but it could and should be a major component of the offense. Not sure about the numbers (like your 50/50 split) but we need more than we’ve shown if we want the full effect.
Erras.
A chance to set the protypical standard
The NFL is becoming a “cookie cutter” league with teams copying from each other and chasing the same type of personnel. It is also becoming a league of “mismatches” almost akin to pro basketball so it seems to me that our front office staff would be well served by leading the trend rather than following it. New England is well on its way with the TEs creating mismatches all over the field, something I espoused several years ago with the Colorado Buffs when they had an abundance of high quality TEs. Secondary personnel cringe when they have to tackle a 6’ 6" 250 lb TE and the mismatch at this level is clear even to the layman. It wouldn’t surprise me to see New England add another TE or even two for secondaries to deal with. I’d hate to be a DB under those circumstances.
The Broncos have a unique opportunity to set the standard offensively with Tebow running the run focused offense that Fox embraces. Let’s give it to em in spades. We need another NASTY OLman coupled with an even nastier FB to make our run game a mismatch to most NFL personnel. Tebow doesn’t have to run anything near an exclusive option offense. He only needs to be the triple option threat to make our run game even more powerful with the added benefit of opening up high percentage, big chunk passes. I could even see an entire offense of “bigs” with an extra OLman like we’ve done this year AND two or three TE type personnel. My mind can’t escape this picture of the old Green Bay offense that EVERYONE knew was going to stuff the ball down their throat and couldn’t stop them anyway. It sure set Bart Star up for a high percentage passing game.
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Paradigm Shift
I think the reward of going out on a limb is worth the risk, obviously. I think fortune favors the bold, and it would take some serious guts to go option in the NFL right now.
Erras.
Well Done EJ I love the Moneyball reference
The thing that many people don’t realize about Tim Tebow is that he is simply about winning. He doesn’t have to pass 30 times a game or throw for 300 yards. He isn’t a stats guy. If we win by handing it off 50 times and throwing 10, he’s cool and will celebrate his teams win just as hard as if he had throw 6 TD’s (quick swipe at Brady). Tim is very much the type of QB that John Fox desires in that he will not complain in running the ball every opportunity.
The Spread Option to me is all about the mismatch. 6’2" CB? run an inside slant route on him with a 5’10" WR!
Defense playing back? 6 yards with the QB running.
The spread is all about gaining yards and 1st downs and then hitting you hard with an explosive play! I like the idea!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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I'm cool with that too as long as we put points on the board.
He can pass 5-10 a game and as long as he completes most of them and scores more TDs I would love running the ball down teams’ throats and making them pay with a dominant defense.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 17, 2012 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
With a run-heavy offense (and generally great D) the Steelers have gone to the playoffs 6 times in the 8 yrs the Big Ben has been their QB
In his first two years as a starter Raplisberger averaged 22 passing attempts per game and the Steelers were 26 and 6 in those two years. In his third year as a starter he averaged 31 attempts per game and the Steelers went 8-8. You can win in the NFL without having to throw the ball 30 times per game, but you need three key elements:
1. the ability to hurt teams throwing the ball from play-action
2. the ability to run against 8 or 9 in the box
3. a good to great defense
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Jan 18, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
it is NOT passing attempts /game
It is how successful you were with your passes. We all know 15/22 is better than 9/22 . Big Ben is a better passer than Tebow(and he wasduring the 8 year run).
agree completely on that point
In terms of on the field production I am hoping that Tebow 2012 can do what Raplisberger did in 04, 05 and 07.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Jan 20, 2012 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I'm ready to see the Ravens #shocktheworld
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 19, 2012 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
The Read Option is another weapon
If we can perfect the read option and Tebow develops as a pocket passer we can confuse the heck out of defenses in the NFL. Imagine having to truly defend against a powerful run offense as well as a great passing attack. Game changer if you ask me.
by Humblebroncofan on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM MST reply actions
Agreed, but I think you have it backwards
TT need to develop as a more accurate passer and that come in the comfort of the pocket. I think he pretty much has mastered the read option, however the opposition has to if he cant make accurate throws from the pocket consistantly
The Chicken and the Egg
Executing the read option attack well will open up more space for the passing game, and vice versa!
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Work, EJ Rec'd
The option came into existence as a way to shift the balance of power towards the offense, but it also allowed teams with less talent compete with the larger programs. The spread option evolved to balance the attack with a passing element. Experts say that it isn’t sustainable in the NFL, I disagree. The same attributes that make the spread option sucessful at the college level can help it to be sucessful in the NFL. Yes, defenses at the pro level are vastly more talented, but so are the offenses. The Broncos could very well shift the pardigm if they are willing to go all out with the concept. Only time will how willing they are to go down that path.
The Broncos this past season were very limited with how they were using the option. A lot of plays were option looks, but it looked like the play was preordained to go to a certain player regardless of the read. In order for the read option to work most effectively, it has to be a real read option. Tebow has to show as much discipline on those reads as he would reading a defense in the passing game. The Broncos didn’t have all the pieces they needed to run a true spread option attack and that is why the results were a mixed bag. The great thing about the players we still need to add for it to be effective, could also be effective in a pro style system. The only positon that isn’t exclusively interchangeable is the QB.
I’ve always been a bit of a maverick. One thing I don’t like about the league is that teams have a tendency to copy what works. I love the game, but I don’t like the direction it has taken recently with focus on the pass. I think it has softened the league. A team that can run the ball and play great defense is a team I could really get behind, especially if that team breaks with the status quo. When it all boils down, those high flying passing attacks tend to fall by the wayside in January. There is only one potent passing attack left in the playoffs in New England. Will they make it to the big game? We’ll see. Defense and running the football are a time tested formula for sucess late in the season. Even if the focus has changed, that has remained almost a constant.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Option Plus.
What Urban Meyer did at Florida was demonstrate that the spread option can not only survive the grind of high level defense, it can excel to the ultimate degree. If the Broncos go all-in on the option, they can bring that kind of innovation to the NFL!
Erras.
the Giants' passing attack looks pretty potent....
but I see what you’re saying, I’m hoping for Ravens/Giants, the G-Men can get payback, for 11 years ago, if they’re good enough
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 19, 2012 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
True, but they're a little more balanced than the Pack, Saints, or the Pats
Their defense is a bit more stout than those other teams.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Giants.
What do the Giants do: they got their franchise QB (even when outsiders didn’t agree with their assessment), they invested in protecting him with a very good line over the years, and they committed an overwhelming amount of resources to getting after opposing QBs. I’d like to see us lock down the first step of that process by going all-in with Tebow, infusing the OL with quality depth that can challenge the starting weak links, and further empower the defense to pressure the QB. It all starts at QB, though…
Erras.
The most differentiating thing about this offense, on play action, the pass is option 3 rather that 2.
This due to the fact that Tebow is a special type of runner. But it cant be run the whole game. I don’t care what he says, but TT is hurting himself taking on the DE’s, LB’s and safeties in the run game. Everybody notice his right shoulder wrapped? Apparently, hes had that wrapped for the last several weeks.
I do not think this offense will be set to evolve more that it already has this year. Elway (and everybody here) wants TT to become more accurate as a thrower, 47% isnt going to cut it. 60% is probably a pipe dream in the amount of time I think TT will be given. Shorter passes may raise the percentage and help the run game, and keep him healthy.
TT’s evolution has to come for throwing on time and accurately. The pocket, is there for just that. If he cant do this, next year, Elway will send him packing, mark my words.
If he improves by even 10 percentage points, the read-option will be deadly in certain situations, just not feasible running it 17 times a game……
Protecting Tim.
If Tebow learns to step out of bounds and slide in certain circumstances, he can add to his durability.
Erras.
Build any scheme around a unique skill set/player
and you are completely screwed when that player goes down to injury
Absolutely correct
That’s why we shouldn’t be commited with this spread-option scheme… but keep it as a situational package.
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 17, 2012 9:40 PM MST up reply actions
Depth
There may not be another Tim Tebow out there in case of injury, but there would be suitable replacements in the short term. All teams build around singular talents, its why key injuries can cripple any team.
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Ask Indianapolis and Caldwell about that
The key to the spread-option is Tebow, but there are QBs that will be available as backups that would come on the cheap. This concept relys more on teamwork than any one individual player. I think it is less likely to fail do to injury than an offense that relys on the enire scheme to be funelled through a single player such as the Colts. The option is teachable to any QB that can make a hand off or a pitch and pass with moderate accuracy. Those players are much easier to find than someone who can pass like a Brees or a Manning. The college ranks are full of these QBs who aren’t sought after because of the scheme they run. It all goes back to the Moneyball reference.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Vince Young, Dennis Dixon, Josh Johnson could all run this offense as well TT if TT got hurt
Some might argue that they could run it better based on their demonstrated passing accuracy in the NFL – admittedly outside of VY the sample sets are very small
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
Accuracy.
While Tim struggles in the passing game right now, you can’t overlook the durability his body type brings to the table. Smaller option QB types are going to have a hard time staying on the field in the NFL. That said, I agree that guys like the ones you mentioned could be viable back-ups for us in a spread option offense.
Erras.
Just a note...
we started the season 1-4… and if I’m not mistaken… we finished the season 1-4. In the middle we hit a stride…. but you can’t be happy with the way we started and finished.
in 2011 MANY teams inexplicably took significant steps backward. Rams, Bucs, KC, Jets, Bears, etc. I think the key reason is that the success in 2010 was not sustainable. Whether it was scheme…. injury (either lack of injury in 2010 or significant injuries in 2011)… or bad luck. These teams could not move forward from their 2010 success… or even sustain it.
I think we are poised to fit that fate. I think teams figured out the scheme… and we really didnt have any significant injuries this year. Dawk’s injury is the closest thing to significant… and he might not play in 2012.. and if he does… he wont play 16 games. So in 2012… an injury to Champ…. Tim…. Vondoom…. or our best rookie or FA signing… could put us right back to 7-9 or 5-11.
I think that remains to be seen
The teams you mentioned all had different reasons for taking a step back. The Rams had a continuity issue, KC and the Bears were decimated by injuries. The Jets tried to reinvent themselves and lost their idenity. Who knows what happened to the Bucs? That team is very young and the lockout probably factors into their step back.
If you look at the end of the Bronco’s season, a couple of things jump out. The injuries to Von Miller and Brian Dawkins played a big role in the decline on defense. On offense, McGahee was dinged up quit a bit down the stretch. Injuries happen, but this team is not deep enough to overcome key injuries. The key to sustaining the sucess the Broncos achieved in 2011 and to build on it has to be depth at key positions and maintaining continuity. This is why I am a strong advocate of holding onto our cordinators that are off interviewing for head coching jobs today.
I think this team has a good chance of sustaining the sucess that they achieved in 2011 and to build on that sucess. This team is very young and an actual off season is going to pay big dividends. Relax Triz, the sky isn’t falling.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Actually.... I think we agree.
I think I have tempered expectations. I won’t be shocked if we go 8-8… or 6-10… or 10-6. I think we need not get ahead of ourselves though…. or panic if we don’t improve. Especially since the cards are stacked against us (not much depth, unproven scheme, mostly young or aged roster)
Keeping the team, particularly the coaching staff, together will be the key. so that when we add players… they can blend in… as opposed to ending up like the Eagles.
Of all the teams, I think we are like the Bucs and KC the most. Bucs b/c we have a young QB that had success but could regress. KC because they had injuries and no back up plan. There is no reason to think that we couldn’t lose Tim, Champ, and Mcgahee for significant time next year, just like KC lost cassel, berry, and charles. Some teams lose players and dont skip a beat. (NE, Pitt, etc.) We aren’t there yet. B/c Weber, Knowshon, and Harris are probably good players, but significant downgrades.
I expect the west to be a little tougher next season
But that could be wishful thinking with whats going on with each respective team. Oakland could be in shambles after McKenzie cleans house. KC will be better when they get the bounty of talent they had on IR back, but how far can Romeo take them? San Diego is fading and I think they will need a great off season to be in the mix. I think we’ll be battling it out with the Chiefs for the west next season. We need a talent infusion on the roster to maintain. Our youngsters will need to step up and grow. This upcoming draft and FA period will be critical to where we end up in 2012. I have more faith in EFX to do the right thing than I have had in the front office in some time now. I think we’ll be OK. I have been Tebowing on the McCoy-Allen issue all week. We can’t afford to lose them both.
In other news, it sounds like Tuten is out. I hope we get a good replacement. The strength and conditioning program has been under a lot of scrutiny for the past few years. It seemed like the team took a step forward this season in that department though.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
do you really trust Orton as the trigger man?
they’ll put up big stats, but will they win enough? No
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 19, 2012 8:56 AM MST up reply actions
Not sure if Orton is still there
But that is a good point. He’d have to show more than he has to this point.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Chiefs.
I expect the Chiefs to be the favorites to win the AFC West next season and their valiant attempt this season after being decimated by injuries merits that, I think. I doubt they’ll keep Orton, but whether it’s him or Cassel, I fully expect the rest of the team to buoy their deficiencies. The Chargers are the past and the Raiders never were, but the Chiefs are our future competition!
Erras.
Good Points.
It’s an odd thing to say, but I think this team both overachieved AND underachieved. It overachieved insomuch as the overall talent on the roster is just not that good. It underachieved, in my opinion, because it refused to embraced what it should be to the fullest extent. I hate artificially dissecting seasons because (you could say we were .500 in the regular season and then .500 again in the playoffs, 8-5 with Tebow as the starter or 1-4 with him at the end) it all obscures the truth. The fact of the matter is that this is, as presently constituted, an average team. Either we try to improve the talent to the level of becoming championship contenders in the traditional way (a hard task with no guarantees of success) or we can try something completely different (i.e. the spread option) which puts our rosters building a bit ahead of schedule and makes the remainder of the work easier. I vote for the later. I like taking chances and being on the cutting edge. I think the NFL figure out what we were doing at the end of last season, but losing 45-10 is at least as much about our defense as it is our offense. We can embrace the option and make it that much harder to stop, or we can continue to limit it it and watch it whither. Every team is afraid of key injuries and no one is immune to their crippling effects: we can’t let that stop us.
Erras.
I can see that
Down the stretch, it seemed like the team progressively went away from what had been working in an attempt to be a more traditional offense. That is just my opinion and I don’t really have any statistics to back that up. If you look at the Oakland and KC games, there seemed to be a lot more option plays ran where Tebow is actually reading the defense compared to the later games where we saw option looks with preordained outcomes. We can only speculate what could have been in the first five and the last five games if things had gone a little different.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Broncos go all in on some spread option looks with a few more pieces in place to help balance things out. The status quo is well, the status quo. Throw an athletic TE, a Scat-Back, and another deep threat receiver into the mix and I think the sky could be the limit. Come on Julius Thomas and Knowshon, you guys could be the missing pieces to the puzzle.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Yep
Supplementing the roster with the types of players you recommend could be vital to the viability of any offense, but especially a spread option attack going forward. I wish I could be with you in your optimism regarding Julius Thomas and especially Knowshon Moreno, but we shouldn’t let them stop us from investing in those positions this off-season.
Erras.
Knowshon had some decent plays before he got injured
I see him as more of a third down back than an every down guy. It would be nice if he could go a season without getting dinged. I am not opposed to the Broncos looking at all three of those positions in the draft, but I have a feeling we are going to see an emphasis on the defense again.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
I disagree entirely
and the reason is that for the option to be effective at the pro level you need to be pro-level at both aspects of the option, both running and throwing. It was shown many games this season that once Defenses started playing up on our receivers, it nearly eliminated the passing element of the offense. Then all was needed was a linebacker spy to eliminate the threat of Tebow running. Tebow is not yet a good enough passer to take advantage of pressure coverages, and until he is the option becomes one-dimensional which means easy to defend.
Thats where a scat-back and another deep threat come into play
If you have receivers that stretch the field, defenses have to counter by playing off. The Broncos were defended that way due to our receivers more than Tebow. They didn’t have a true deep threat and they didn’t have very good check down options out of the backfield. Adding those weapons will open up the option a lot more than we seen this past season.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Definitely Disagree with this
Tebow had plenty of check down options on many plays, and did not use them. He instead preferred to run around trying to make time for the one receiver he was completely focused on to try to get open. Tebow needs a lot of work on making his reads both before and during the play, and a lot of the blame the receivers get for “not getting open” is really Tebow not making his reads quickly.
Who? Lance Ball?
Get real! Tebow has some issues he needs to work on, but so does the entire offense. Lets try to be objective, shall we?
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Yes the whole offense has issues.
Tim had go deep on his mind everytime it was a pass play though. He could’ve checked down to McGahee or a TE. Orton did all the time. Tebow hardly ever. He will get there. I know it.
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Orton also had Moreno to check down to
And he was working in a slightly different system. McGahee was hardly ever in the mix in the passing game. Moreno could have been huge in this offense had he not been injured.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Very true.
I am not one of the fans who thinks Moreno is a bust. He just needs to stay healthy. Maybe a new strength and conditioning coach can keep him on the field. He ran hard this year when in. Especially on screens when he is out in more space.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
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Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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Not a bust
But hasn’t lived up to his draft position. Thats not entirely on him though. Hopefully he can get healthy and stay that way.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Fair Enough.
I agree that Tim was not perfect, and in fact he was just plain bad sometimes, but he has what it takes to run this system at the highest level. He needs to improve his passing, especially his reading and recognition, but he has things you can’t teach that make the effort of getting his deficiencies up worthwhile. Commit to the spread, teach him to become a better QB, and we’ll have the best of both worlds.
Erras.
@ejruiz..must disagree. the read-option is too easy to scheme
first the QB needs to present a run treat, hense getting banged around. Second, a running QB is normally not very good at passing. Can not think of one.
The read-option is NOT the same as the spread-option.
I do not think that John Elway would stake his reputation on a 3 year commitment to go against traditional offensive wisdom. The NFL has evolved into a passing game and the run/control schemes have disapated. Pittsburgh has moved on, Carolina has moved on, 49ers are moving on, Giants have moved on.
NAH I can not see EFX being stubborn and trying to develop a Tebow-oriented run read-option offense.
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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Heard Mentality.
Follow the heard and enter the slaughterhouse. The reason why teams succeed is because they are on the cutting edge and shifting the paradigm themselves, not following trends. I hope that EFX is innovative enough to take the roster given and make the most of it.
Erras.
by ejruiz on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
How can you claim it's too easy to scheme against
When the league has only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the spread option and it took the college ranks by storm? Denver is not the only team that is using these concepts. The Patriots were actually the front-runners at incorporating it. Carolina is also using some of those same concepts. Face it, the spread has already infiltrated the NFL and it happened long before Tim Tebow ever started a game for the Denver Broncos. Why do you think McD drafted him? I think it’s safe to say that was probably McDaniels vison when he traded up to land Tebow. He had already incorprated some of these concepts when the Pats went to the SB in 07. With Tebow, the Broncos have an opportunity to bring the spread option into the league, whole hog, and be ahead of the game for doing so. All they need to do is put enough pieces in place to make it viable going forward.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
#1 rushing attack in the league
do i need to add to that? we are a good rb and ol away from steamrolling the nfl. passing game will improve enough to open the run up even more. scary to me, actually. good scary. can you imagine if we force teams to defend us with their front 7? holy shit, people.
taste my blintzkrieg!
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