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What We Need to See in 2012

It was nice while it lasted folks. The 2011 Denver Broncos, in the midst of a regime change and fresh off the lockout, won the AFC West and beat the defending AFC Champs in the playoffs. Some of us knew the ride this year would be a roller coaster. Elite highs (O-Line, Tebow, DT, the D) and huge lows (Detroit, Buffalo, KC #2, Green Bay, the Pats). That's not to say we weren't and aren't a good football team. But a great one? Not yet my friends. As of today....Jan. 17th, 2012.... the New England Patriots with Tom Brady at the helm are a much better football team (at least offensively) than our beloved Denver Broncos. Who's to blame for this disheartening loss? I can tell you this in all honesty.... no bias here.... our entire TEAM lost that game, and lost it badly.

Here's the good news though..... we.... are.... a young.... team. We are fresh off year one of yet another regime change, and not only that, but no offseason time for the new coaches to install. Our Denver Broncos had to do it on the fly. Not only a HC change, our franchise completely erased the flawed, fractured power structure from the top down. As I see it, John Elway did one helluva job his first year, as did many young Broncos. SB competing teams take time to build.... but you already knew that. Whether you convinced yourself otherwise, that's on you. Deep down, you know the limitless success this franchise is headed for, and you know it's gonna take a few more talent pools to change.

Follow me after the jump for my ideas on what it will take to improve from year one to year two, and ultimately, fix this inexperienced team for the long haul.

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1. I know this has been talked about a lot on here recently, but it is a biggie to me. This offense needs to get some passing production out of tailbacks and tight ends. We need to get our screen game working again to keep these all out blitzing defenses honest. A few well placed screens in the play calling last Sautrday, and NE would have thought twice about sending the house again. We can't just throw deep balls and nothing else forever.... can we? Lance Ball is a 3rd string back (not 3rd down) at best. I doubt he even makes the final roster on many teams across the league. We kept him because of familiarity. Now that EFX will get a full offseason to scout talent, I think Ball should be upgraded. Knowshon Moreno is making me very impatient, but I think we give him one more year or else. He'll be playing for a new contract somewhere soon, so he needs to make the most of it. I like Lamar Miller in the late 1st.

Julius Thomas, come to find out, was hampered by a nasty ankle injury all year. Instead of forcing him back into the lineup, the staff gave him a red shirt year to learn the game and to rehab. Sweet...... now just come out and beast for us next season and we won't have to find your replacement. Daniel Fells, and Virgil Green as well, will be better players next year with a camp under their belt. Did you guys realize that all of our TE's were first time Broncos last year?

If Chris Kuper is hurt beyond recognition, then I'd love to somehow grab that David DeCastro out of Stanford. I bet Elway would love that too. Tell me you guys wouldn't die and go to heaven with a Guard combo like New Orleans has? Evans and Nicks are the gold standard for Guards in the NFL.... I'd love to see us get bigger / badder in this dept.

2. This is a simple and obvious one - we need to get better on D. Another year together will help towards that goal. I love Brian Dawkins as if he were a career Bronco, but we cannot realistically count on him to do his thing for another year. If he can.... great.... but a backup plan better be in effect soon. Quinton Carter could be that guy.... who knows yet. Rahim Moore and David Bruton are also young, so we're not real sure what we have at the Safety position yet. Mark Barron in the late 1st round is also an option. Other than Von Miller & B Dawk, I don't think anyone on the team has the hit power of Barron. A new, young enforcer for the middle of our D sounds wonderful.... Carter can be our FS, should Rahim bust.

Joe Mays has to go!!! I know that continuity is crucial for a young D, but this Foxy/Allen D can't get by with him as the starter. Mays is too stiff and too slow. We need someone back there with power and feet. Burfict would be great if he actually panned out. Such are worries when drafting any player. If I know John Fox right, he will push for a new RB and a new MLB. We need to find a new Jon Beason for Foxy.

I also think we have to get some more talent infused into the DT core. Bunkley should be a top priority, but we need to draft our own guy. We need a consistent pass rush in the middle, and we need to get stouter against the run there too. Someone relentless will do.... a healthy Jared Crick perhaps? Okay, where does that leave us. We need a Safety or two to step up (in house, draft, free agency.... does not matter), we need a new Mike Backer (if Nate can't take it, then he can be our depth.... every team needs it and he was a 3rd rounder), we need some young talent injected into the DT rotation.... preferably a starter. So, now that leaves us with finding a 3rd pass rusher.... and a CB (Goodman is probably a goner). Draft... FA..... who cares as long as the holes are filled.

Basically, every level of our defense needs more talent.

3. Tim Tebow has to get better (not perfect) as a pocket passer. Once this happens (bet your life it WILL happen), we'll start to see more replays of the Pittsburgh win. John Elway, Adam Gase, and Mike McCoy (if he doesn't jump ship) are salivating at the chance to help Tim Tebow get better. Having the Duke teaching him..... priceless. Is there any doubt now that Tim Tebow is the long term, franchise guy? If you think there is, then you either lived in a cave during this season, or you are just so biased against Tim's beliefs, you'd be mad if he won a Super Bowl with us.

To me, a fanbase should shun other fans who hate a player so bad, they'd rather see their own team go down in a heap than that player have success. There was a lot of talk that a few people around here were just in this thing for Tim, not the team. Turns out, I know at least dozen of those same people who don't even get on this site anymore because we did good things with Tim at QB. I thought they loved the Broncos? Not just Orton (still so weird to me). The Raiders, I hear, are looking for a few good fans (thugs). Tebow rant over.

4. This entire franchise, from VP of Football matters, to the trainers, to the coaches, and finally the players, needs to band together, learn from prior mistakes, and progress naturally.... together. If more deadwood is needed cut, then so be it. But for the most part, we need continuity here. I pray that Allen and McCoy stay here for a few more years.

Some key areas of emphasis should be: eliminating all the WR drops.... receivers beating press-man coverage with more consistency.... cleaning up the turnovers, namely fumbles, on offense.... creating more turnovers on D (we need to learn how to pick off passes).... Tebow getting better with his reads/drops/footwork/mechanics.... finding a 3rd pass rusher either on the team already, or bringing that talent in.... creating a pass rush from the interior of the D-Line.... stopping the run more effectively/tackling better.... and our Safety play needs to get steadily better.

I'm sure I forgot some, but that's what the comment section is for. Thanks for reading... what are your thoughts about the direction of this young team? On a parting note, I'm relieved to learn that Rich Tuten, master of the pulled hammy, is finished here in Denver. Perhaps now the black cloud injury bug is done with us for a good while.

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On the screen passes ,and more passes to TEs

I agree with you . Now why doesnt Mc Coy who is the broncos OC realize that ? That bothers me about him . If he somehow manages to move on I dont think I will be to heart broken . We will find someone new .we will be fine . And if he stays I can live with that .

by broncosfaninphilly on Jan 17, 2012 5:11 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

I just heard on the NFL network

That Mc Coy had a great interview in miami today . He blew dolphins upper management away said vince lombardi .

by broncosfaninphilly on Jan 17, 2012 5:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

To me

Tebow is great on screen plays because entire defenses flow to him.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 17, 2012 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it's important to remember McCoy was a rookie too

He hadn’t called plays in this offense before this year. McD called the plays until he was fired last year, and so McCoy had some play calling last year, but it was based on a very different offense than what we had after game 6-7 of this year.

I agree with many of your assessments. I’m anxious to see what JT can bring to this offense (particularly if properly utilized). Virgil Green as well, who was a beast pass catcher in college. Mays is tough for me to get a read on. I think he takes bad angles, because of his size, and that leaves him out of position on plays he’s diagnosed correctly. Deadwood needs to be pruned, like Tuten today, because that’s what got us in the funk we’ve been in. Looking forward to our continued effort to rebuild what had been left in de-repair.

If we stay with this defensive approach (meaning we don’t lose DC Allen), then I think you want a MLB that is a beast physically. Haggen fits that bill more than Mays does. This is not a 3-4 where having a smaller MLB makes sense. We need someone Urlacher sized in the middle. We didn’t have that this year. And against teams that could block our front 4, that was a problem.

I also think that we’ll let Royal walk and bring in someone with more of a physical presence. If we’re going to run the ball anything like we did this year, then we will need WR that can block down field. We’ll see how that develops. Maybe they use a combination of JT and Green as throwing/blocking threats. That would really kick the hybrid piece up, wouldn’t it?!

by shasta77 on Jan 17, 2012 5:41 PM MST reply actions  

McCoy and Tebow have a great relationship... like Tim and Urban Meyer did

it would be a shame to lose that this early and see Tim regress somewhat. I do know in the back of my head that there are other offensive coaches, some better then McCoy, that could make Tim even better…. so. I just hope if he leaves, we find that next guru.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 PM MST up reply actions  

No way Shasta

we dumped Rich Tuten? I have to truthfully say… it’s about freakin’ time!

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice PH.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM MST reply actions  

I wouldn't worry about Kuper's injury too much.

Fox has already stated that someone in Carolina had the same injury and came back strong/ready to go for the season. I would still like to get some depth at o-line. I still haven’t forgotten the pre-season where the backups couldn’t block anyone. The broncso were thankful that nothing else happened.

I agree with adding another DT. My big thing right now is that there’s no huge DTs there. When I watch the Texans defense, they’re always batting the ball down. I don’t see that out of the broncos DTs because the starters are only 6’2 and 6’3. Tom Brady was able to throw over the top without any problems. Broncos need to bring in some DTs that are 6’4/6’5 to take away that throwing lane. Having Big Vick back will help because he was good at that—got a pick because of it. It small things like that, which will give Dumervil and Miller that extra time to get to the QB. Also when those throws are tipped, they usually lead to picks.

I also agree that the broncos need help at safety. At the sametime, I don’t want the broncos to draft another one. Sign a good veteran because Dawkins showed that this defense is pretty dang good when they have a safety lurking. When the broncos defense was at it’s best this year, it was when Dawkins was all over the field. Carter can be that guy, but he needs somone like a Ryan Clark to do that. We saw that Carter can make some plays when he is able to roam the field. The guy had two picks in the playoffs because of that.

Lastly MLB is a huge need. The defense will not be top ten until a MLB is found. I would keep a close eye on Hightower, but also take a look at Dan Connor from the panthers. Both are good replacements for Joe Mays. I think Mays belongs in a 3-4 where he can be protected against the pass. He was at his best at that point.

by tiderfootball09 on Jan 17, 2012 7:05 PM MST reply actions  

Some say Hightower is more of a 3-4 ILB... too big and lumbering for this style of D

and…. you can historically see that John Fox has loved some smaller, athletic LB’s in his 4-3 there in Carolina. That doesn’t mean it can’t switch up though. If Jon Beason could have stayed healthy with John Fox, it would have been lights out. Heck, it was for a couple years when he was healthy. I’d love to see Burfict groomed as THE guy.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Kuper

Fox was referring to Jordan Gross who was injured in a previous season but that was in the November of that season so had longer recovery time than that of Kuper. Breaks like that also take different people a lot longer to heal, also depends on how badly the ligaments have been damaged.
I hope you are right that he will be back by TC but I wouldnt be surprised if he ends up starting the season on the PUP list.

"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson

by SteveUK on Jan 18, 2012 1:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree with adding another DT...

but it is hard to find a 6’4 DT who can play with a low center of gravity. I think we target more of a penetrator with a deadly combination of strength and speed. Hugely agree with upgrading MLB, however we do it.

by atwater27rules on Jan 21, 2012 7:55 PM MST up reply actions  

There are lots of things we need to do, but how much money are they willing to spend?

Last year in the limited free agency we had there were quite a few players drifting in and out of Dove Valley and some I really wanted. The small group we got I was happy with (not sure about Harvey), but was disappointed that Ty Warren got hurt. In the veteran loop I think that the Safety position is the most important especially when David Bruton is our veteran with 3 seasons. Getting a seasoned veteran is a must imo.

If anyone thinks Fox is satisfied with Ayers at LDE they have another thing coming. EFX will either go the veteran way or the draft for this spot (remember how Fox went the Superbowl with Peppers?). I think I would draft a couple of CBs to develop under Champ and Harris and if they choose to keep Goodman then I’m down with that…

I’m hearing rumblings that the Texans may cut ties with DE Mario Williams. Most of us know the story around him and he is a better fit in the 4/3, and Big Wade is a 3/4 man all the way. Williams has been successful in Wade’s defense but went down to injury some time around week 5. He is on IR and I believe is owed 16mil this year, so with JJ Watt and Brookes Reed having a pretty good year I think Williams’ days are numbered there. Now… How much would EFX be willing to pay Williams since we have Champ and Doom on large contracts? I know that they would restructure the contract and maybe 40 mil over 5-6 years with the most of the deal in the end…What you all think.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 17, 2012 8:17 PM MST reply actions  

Well, according to EFX's end of season press conference

They plan to be aggressive (smart aggressive) and spend quite a bit. I bet they’ll knock another draft out of the park too. Matt Russell being promoted to head personnel guy is an awesome move. He is the real brains behind the scouting…. Xanders is a real good money, contract guy. Matt Russell helped build some monster teams for Belichick and Pioli, and Andy Reid in Philly.

DT is looking Megatronish these days…. some of our past few draft picks are really come through now.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I realize that and heard the presser, but do you think they would agressively go after a Mario Williams or somatotype player?

I agree on Russell and I’ve said this before, scouting is integral to building a competitive team.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 17, 2012 10:23 PM MST up reply actions  

bfree... know this....

If it was a player they deemed a game changer (Mario Williams is as good as any), then you better bet your bottom $ they would jump all over it. EFX is here for the sole purpose of winning. No hidden agendas. They will do whatever it takes to win…. as evidenced by switching to the option attack mid swing.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 PM MST up reply actions  

First order of business getting rid of the 'hammy' supply guy Tuten...

I loved how Fox/McCoy adapted, overcame and persevered through all the drama of Tebow. This shows what kind of leadership these men possess and it shows where we are headed. I like what they are doing leaving no stone unturned and no cranny or crack untouched…

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 18, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't get your hopes up

Remember that they said the same thing last year after the draft when many people were concerned about the defensive line. They didn’t do anything “aggressive” in FA but rather went the “bang for your buck” route with Bunkley and Warren. I expect that Xanders will probably do the same thing again this year.

That’s not to say it’s right or wrong. Overspending in FA will get you the Redskins in a hurry, but always looking for “value” may never get you a truly exceptional veteran player.

by Linmoo on Jan 18, 2012 12:03 AM MST up reply actions  

It just depends

on who’s out there.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 18, 2012 7:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Demarius Prime

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 12:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I sure hope the Texans let Williams walk. It's scary imagining what that defense will look like when he gets back.

You have Reed one side and Williams on the other with Watt in the middle. I tell ya, it doesn’t get any better than that. They could probably go to a super bowl with that defense alone.

by tiderfootball09 on Jan 18, 2012 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Curious that you addressed the TE's and RB's and Tebow in the passing game...

but didn’t say anything about what might have been the worst producing WR corps in the league alongside Jacksonville. Outside of the #3 drop rate, we were #31 in yards (just above the Jags), tied for 2nd in FUMBLES, and #18 in TDs.

Can I ask why?

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 AM MST reply actions  

Yes you can

and you are right. I guess why I left them out is because at least we threw to them. I think it’s a given that part of the pass game will only get better. The TE’s and RB’s however, weren’t even thrown to once. But there’s no “curious” conpspiracy here…. it’s just something I assume will get better seeing how our two starting WR’s and QB were only 2nd year pros this year. Sorry, I won’t miss anything ever again. ;-)

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 18, 2012 7:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Darn right Pale! You can't miss this stuff man... hahaha...

Just curious because I think better WRs will make our ‘passing game’ better immediately. I just don’t think we have any real weapons for Tebow, yet…. though I have hope D Thomas and Decker may turn out to be studs next year.

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 19, 2012 8:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Might there be a logical reason for the stats you produce?

When Eddie Royal, a 5 year pro, is considered the vet of your WR core, you have yourself a young, green WR core. This part of the team will get better with time / reps. You are right though… it needs to get better in a hurry.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 18, 2012 8:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Royal was maybe a 1-year wonder... I think he's a special teams guy at best.

M. Willis is maybe a 5th option off the bench, but not a #3 guy. Decker is a #3 guy to me, and D Thomas is a #2 with potential to be a #1… but I think we need a possession weapon, BIG GUY, like a Vincent Jackson type.

53% of the time, I'm right EVERY time...

by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 19, 2012 8:53 PM MST up reply actions  

For all you Pros out there...

…I have a question. I cant say that I have ever been much more of a fan than someone that follows my team, watches/goes to games, and stands for my team through good seasons as well as bad seasons. I never really follow stats or get involved with the draft and FA signings. I have always left that up to our coaches to do the right thing. With that being said, I spend hours a day here reading and learning and listening to the different thoughts and perspectives. I thank you all for that because you are giving me a side of the game that I have always intentionally left myself out of. Now, down to my question:

Being the leading rushing team in the NFL, why is there very little attention being given to the fact that the majority of our rushing yardage was made by one man, Mcgahee (lets not include Tebow in this part of the conversation)? I mean he is a moster and works his butt off out there every game and has done well but he isnt the youngest player we have and if he gets hurt…(*Crosses heart and looks to the heavens for even mentioning it) I dont or maybe I missed it, see any depth behind him. For the most part, when he isnt on the field, we are running very little. I guess I am asking wouldnt it be a good idea to get a second RB that can alternate with McGahee? I know there is Moreno but can we expect him to return for more than a game or two before he is out again with injuries?

Forgive my ignorance, but I just see that if something bad were to happen to McGahee, we would be in a world of hurt. Maybe there is more to our depth that I havent seen. Maybe our rushing game shouldnt be as much of a priority as we have made it this year. I am not sure, thats why I am asking for your help to explain to me why there has been so little talk of getting some depth to our RB squad.

Thanks guys for your input.

by DBconvert on Jan 18, 2012 11:03 AM MST reply actions  

It's not ignorance

you are completely right. However, you said you’ve been reading and learning about the search for the players we need to improve our team and yet have failed to see almost everyone saying we need a backup for McGahee.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 18, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe it has just been

somewhat downplayed, from what I have read, because of so many holes that we have to fill especially in the MLB, DT and DB positions. I have seen everyone agree on the need to fill those positions and I agree wholeheartedly. I just havent noticed many, there are a few, considerations for what I would consider a priority which is a good FB or RB. I was thinking that it was maybe the fact that McGahee has done so well this season (except for the inability to hold onto the ball sometimes) running the ball, that it was simply being overlooked. You know, like with the squeeky wheel and all.

Thanks Digger, I will continue to read and follow along with you guys. Some of you are absolute wizzes at this stuff and I find myself learning more and more the more I read.

by DBconvert on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey I wasn't trying to

undermine anything you said. You are right on. McGahee was great this year, but he is 30 years old. Much of our #1 rushing attack was because of Tebow running for about 900 yards. Moreno and Fanin were hurt. Ball is not good. Johnson merely a PS type guy. We need a RB. The arguement is more about how and where to get one rather than IF we get one.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

I think we’ll draft a RB this year for sure. The real question is, who stays and who goes. Does Moreno stay on if we draft a 2nd or 3rd round RB? Probably not, but you never know. I see Moreno’s worth as a blocker, pass catcher out of the backfield. Do we keep Fannin another year too? Ball, Johnson and Omon don’t really intrigue me. Jeremiah Johnson, like Julius Thomas, was supposed to be a freak for us this year, by all accounts coming out of camp. Well, we all know what happened there.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 18, 2012 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I even said it above

we need someone to spell McGahee, even if Moreno stays or not. That’s why I’d love to see them get rid of Ball and bring in a draft pick with some talent.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 18, 2012 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Joe Mays, and Daniel Fells are FA's

so Mays will go, and Fells probably wont be back

by Scotty Payne on Jan 18, 2012 1:43 PM MST reply actions  

Haggan

I’d much rather keep Haggan over Mays. I think Woodyard gets the axe this year as well. He just doesn’t have enough ass…. he’s a Safety/LB tweener, even though he can only play LB. That kind of sucks for him.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 18, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Woody is a leader.

I think he will stay. If he leaves I think he has a good chance of starting wherever he ends up.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 18, 2012 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah and we had a tweener in Josh Barrett and McD let slip away.

I was pretty upset with that move.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 18, 2012 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

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