Where are the Rodgers doubters?
by PostCorner on Jan 18, 2012 8:43 AM MST
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PrintIf not for a phantom hit to the helmet penalty, A Rodgers' stats from the GB game would have been much worse and dare I say Tebow-esque. A non call (on the 3rd and 10 incompletion) would have definitely kept him from getting the 61 yards passing and the touchdown he threw. Remove those stats and Rogers would be under 50% and would have end up with just over 200 yards. Oh, and his QB rating would have been below the 78.5 with which he finished.
So where's the outrage? Where are the critics? I understand you can't compare Tebow and Rodgers, but come on.
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Assuming you are correct… that would be 1 game among how many 4 TD 300+ yard 60% completions percentage 100+ rating games he gives them week in and week out, year in and year out?
Tim is consistantly under 50%… under 300…. QB rating in the 70s.
And if you’re looking for outrage and such… try speaking to a diehard pack fan that’s pissed his team wont be going to the white house.
by Triz06 on Jan 18, 2012 9:22 AM MST reply actions 5 recs
Exactly...
Rodgers had a bad game “Statistically” against a very good defense. Tim struggles against almost ever defense.
So why would anyone make a big deal about Aarons stats in one game?
That's stupid and borderline asinine
Tebow torched the Steelers and they’re one of the best pass defenses in the NFL. The Patriots were simply a better team this year (I’m pretty sure they only lost 3 games) and the Bills defense picked off Tom Brady 4 times in their first game so they’re not exactly punks either. Tebow had a great year.
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LOL...
Are you telling me that he doesn’t struggle every game? Tell me this… When was the last time you watched a Broncos game and your heart wasn’t racing? Or the last time your eyes weren’t glued to the screen in the 4th quarter because you knew your team had the game in the bag?
Last minute heriocs… finishing games… Tebow is top notch. But let’s be real… it is never easy. You brought up the Steelers game… but that went to overtime because we could only score 3 points in the second half. And that was one of his BEST games.
I forgot one...
When was the last time you watched a game and were shocked that they went 3 and out?
We were crushing the Steelers until
the refs whistled that backwards pass. Tebow smoked them like a pack of kools. I think you’re judging him way too hard.
TurfSharks.com
You want to compare? Rodgers was in his 4th year when he made the playoffs and in his 5th year when he won a playoff game.
Rodgers had 3 full seasons to develope. Also he’s had the same offense/coach every year—no lockout either. In Tebow’s two years, he’s had two coaches and had to learn a new offense in training camp—hardly ever happens. Also I remember Rodgers was struggling in his second year and people in Green Bay were wondering if he was a bust. I know this because I live in Wisconsin and most packer fans don’t want to admit that. If Tebow had three full seasons to develope as well as have the same coach in all those years, he would probably come out the same as Rodgers. It’s just that not every young QB has that ideal situation. I gurantee you, Rodgers wouldn’t be the same QB today if he didn’t have those 3 years to develope before his first year as a starter. Lets compare Tebow to Rodgers, when Tebow is in his 4th and 5th year in the league.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
Amen Tider!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I'm not comparing them...
The post is about why people are not dumping on Rodgers. The reason is… Rodgers has a history that shows he is good more often than he is bad.
Rodgers in his second year.. was sitting on a bench. So nobody expected him to do anything… and he did nothing. He met expectations… so there is nothing to talk about.
Tebow… some ppl think he sucks.. some ppl think he’s great… so when ever he plays great.. or plays like crap… someone is going to have something to say.
To me, and in actuality as well
Tebow’s had way more good games than bad. It’s sort of hard to have the record he has…. especially considering how young he is, and have too many horrible games. Screw the completion …. I want wins. I also love this new QBR system, it allows players like Tebow to get the numbers without completing 70.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
an 8-5 record shows youre more good than bad
that was Tebow this year add last year and 10-8 hes still more good than bad!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 19, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
When Kyle Orton took the field
No mystery there.
A bit picky are we?
What did Aaron Rodgers do his 2nd year? Nuthin.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I have to agree
You are comparing apples to oranges
Rogers SB Winner, established elite QB
Tebow a work in progress with an unknown outcome
Unitil Tebow can prove he can complete greater than 55% of his passes and be effective for 4 quarters week in and week out, you will have the critics.
When you make a post like this it comes across as irrational at best.
Tebow would agree with the critics in that he needs to be a better and more consistent passer if he will ultimately succeed.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
1 game of Tebow-esque play > season of Tebow-esque play.
I’d take Rodgers any day of the week.
Post dismissed.
by Matt In Canada on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 AM MST reply actions 5 recs
You'd be sitting at home now.
Might wanna reconsider.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!
Fail
We are in the same position as the Packers
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Welp guess we better keep dreamin for an A-rod then..
or we could just move forward with what we have. Something about continuity and all that being of importance, but what do I know ;)
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!
There are only 3 elite QB's in the NFL right now
Brady, Brees and Rodgers. We don’t have any of those guys and neither do 28 other teams. Tebow is our guy so you better get behind the “Tebow-esque” play.
TurfSharks.com
Yessir!!!
and Tebow is elite in ways those boys will only dream of. Tim has more toughness and athleticism in his pinky toe than those QB’s do in their whole body.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
No need to cut them down
to build Tim up. Those three are tough and athletic too.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
not like Tebow
and it wasn’t a cut down. Kind of hard to cut down those three… legitimately at least. It is a simple truth though…. Tim Tebow has skillls those three dream about (plowing over Urlacher), and those three have skills young Timmy wishes to God he had. No foul there, only truth.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I know you speaketh truth Pale.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I’m talking about the people being critical of the 1 game performance. Most were saying Tebow played dreadful while at the same time putting the GB loss on Rodgers’ teamates not showing up.
This post was largely unnecessary
You are not going to change anyone’s mind on this. Rodgers played OK and his offense sucked (and his defense sucked, but they sucked all year too, so no complaining now…) Tim played OK when not being molested, but he did not do anything spectacular in that game either. The Broncos as a whole played horrible in every facet. The 45-10 drubbing was worse than the score indicates. Our D was getting gashed big time. We had no pass rush. Receivers were not getting open, then they dropped balls. O-Line looked like turnstiles…. really against that horrible Pats D-line we got DOMINATED consistently. Even our extremely excellent punter looked like he was kicking a rock (30-40 yard punts… cmon). THE BRONCOS WERE FLAT. The Pack was rusty and flat. Neither QB played up to their potential and both were let down heavily by teammates. Rodgers does have years of history of good play and Tebow… not yet! When Tim is leading the charge into the playoff next year, there will still be doubters. If Tim hoists the Lombardi, there will still be doubters. Tim will have to have years of high performance to quiet most of the doubters (some will spew stupidity regardless). This is not a bad thing, necessarily. Every QB has to prove it. Rodgers definitely did not get the level of criticism that Tim gets, but there were a LOT of doubters after that 6-10 season… He had to prove it and so does Tim. It takes years and cannot be done over a single game, or even a single season.
Um, this type of game is an anomoly for Rodgers where for Tebow it is the norm. Pretty horrible comparison even if it is for 1 playoff game. Don't forget all the playoff games that Rodgers did win last year.
Rodgers has proven to be consistent, Tebow hasn’t yet. That is why one is criticized more than the other. Ridiculous.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 18, 2012 9:50 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
For good reason. Tebow statistically is not very good yet. Rodgers is, he's proven he can play CONSISTENTLY at a very elite level. That is why they aren't criticizing him nor should they.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 18, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
Don't be so literal
The poster’s point is that Tebow’s stats are constantly under the microscope, yet no one in the MSM applies the same standards to other players—and yes even AR had a bad game in this playoff. Frankly, I think that is even more telling that the great AR could have such a bad game given his belt and air of invincibility. Yes, AR is a stud but he has also been in the league for several years after training for several years on the bench. With the pass rush TT faced the other night, not to mention the drops (which have been prolific this season), AR probably wouldn’t have fared much better. The MSM and other critics are so apt to call him a bust after a single game performance, yet never seem to apply the same standard to any of his contemporaries.
by Zorando on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree they don't apply the same standard of criticism but if you want to compare use rookies and 1st year players
Don’t use a superbowl MVP.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 18, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
None of his contemporaries were in the playoffs
which is an important comparison and don’t tell me that it was Tebow’s team that made the difference. The point is even the AR can me made to look bad at the playoff level of competition, but no one in the MSM wants to make that point.
Everyone in the MSM
seems only to want to compare Tebow to Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. Why shouldn’t the reverse apply?!!!
Word
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even a little sorry that offends some of you.
"Sure I may be Sophmoric with an illiterates grasp of syntax and sentence structure, but your a big stupidhead" :D
This game was not the norm for Tim or the Broncos as a whole
That statement is BS. Everyone played significantly below potential in that game.
They also played below potential in half the games we barely won and all the ones we lost.
The point is that Rodgers and Tebow should not be criticized the same. And why even suggest looking at one game compared to a whole body of work? It is pointless.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 19, 2012 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
i love tebow like the most BUT
Rodgers is a sure MVP regular season, and a superbowl MVP, enought said, you dont have to put down a guy to elevate TIM, Rodgers is an amazing player, and he has earn that the media traits him well
by gabriel suarez moreno on Jan 18, 2012 10:00 AM MST reply actions
i have never flagged an article but i most do i this time
by gabriel suarez moreno on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 AM MST reply actions
Why did you flag?
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even a little sorry that offends some of you.
"Sure I may be Sophmoric with an illiterates grasp of syntax and sentence structure, but your a big stupidhead" :D
Dude he won a super bowl
What more could you want?
Von Miller doesn't sleep, he waits
by RockyMountainThunder on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 AM MST reply actions
How many NFL games does Rogers have under his belt compared to Tebow?
How many years did Rogers have in the NFL before he started as many games as Tebow has started?
Or, how about Alex Smith, a 1st round QB who was pretty much considered a failure until this year and he really didn’t shine until this last game.
A great passing QB has a bad day and everyone just shrugs their shoulders. A QB with great potential has “wrong” coaching and the QB gets blamed. But, a running threat QB has a bad passing day and everyone thinks he cannot perform.
Tebow is what he is. If he can improve his throwing he will be great. If he cannot, he will win games but probably never a SB.
This is truth
Although some close fans knew Alex was not being given a fair shake. The bottom line is that Tim will have to prove it, and it cannot be proved in one game or one season. It will take years. And Tim wants nothing more than to compete for it. Unreasonable people will be unreasonable and then look like fools when they are wrong. I personally think he has the tools and the drive and will succeed. Others doubt it. Still others spew stupidity to get attention. It is what it is. Get used to it, because it will be the Broncos life for a while to come.
Rodgers is one of top 3 QBs in football right now,
with Manning out. Tebow is a rookie.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Another thing.
Are there any Rodgers doubters? I highly doubt there is anyone who can say Aaron Rodgers sucks.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
by Digger24 on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
But he will never run like Steve Young
Uhh wait… I think he did.
Rodgers is a top QB in the system he is in, which is built for his skill set as well as the other skilled guys on the team.
Again
We are talking about why the critics choose to bang on Tim and not on Rodgers when reviewing one game. I’m not comparing the two players- I’m comparing how they are judged .
I thought Tim broke his collarbone in the game. Didn’t realize it was a rib and bruised lung.
When you PROVE CONSISTENTLY you can play well
You won’t take much heat after a bad game. Brady, Rodgers, Brees and both Mannings have bad games on occasion. Brady had a 4 INT game this season, but because those are rare, and aren’t a habit, there’s no point in judging them harshly because it doesn’t matter because those are flukes. If a hot-and-cold player like Tebow had a bad game, they are judged harshly, just look at some of the heat other young guys like Colt McCoy, Josh Freeman, and Mark Sanchez take.
You say this isn’t about the players but about the judgers, well if Tebow (or any QB) played like Rodgers regularly, they wouldn’t take much heat either. Judges give more slack to proven, consistent players and that is how it should be.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
True... but....
To expect a guy with < 1 full year under his belt in a new system with a young team to play like a veteran defending SB champ who has been leading a veteran team with consistency at all levels for several years is a fool’s errand. The point is that these pundits are not paid to analyze, but to generate hype. Nothing generates more hype than being obviously over critical with a fan favorite. If we really want to punish them… stop listening and clicking…
These pundits are just as critical on other players
Younger, unproven players have and will always receive more critical analysis, and it makes sense, they haven’t PROVEN that poor games are far and few between. Now that’s not the same as expecting or setting the bar the same for all QB’s, rather it means people are more critical of unproven commodities. This applies in all sports as well as throughout society, at a job, your boss watches you more closely till you prove yourself. A new employee is more likely to be fired for the same mistake as a long time employee because the long time employee has, hopefully, proven those mistakes are rare.
I know we all want Tebow to get some slack, but there is a difference between being a “hater” and being critical. Young players will always have a shorter leash, and that is how it should be. Oh and Rodger’s “bad” playoff game doesn’t compare to a “bad” Tebow game.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Dude I love Tebow and all but these posts are ridiculous
Rodgers won a SB and was MVP of that same SB. He’s also thrown for nearly 5,000 yards, 45 TDs, 6 picks, 3 rushing TD’s, and a 68.3% completion ratio. Tebow is no where near this level, and likely never will be. Thats ok. As long as he improves to middle of the pack in throwing, I think we have our QB of the future.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
And this should be a fanshot
stop taking up real estate in the fanpost section. It pushes other posts down quickly
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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agreed
my post was going to 10 recds before a bunch of 2 sentence crap pushed it down!!!! ;-)
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
it's going to be a long time before we see a dumber post than this.
there are some smart, well-reasoned tebow supporters and some smart, well-reasoned tebow doubters and then there is junk like this.
Rodgers is a Super Bowl MVP
which makes him a Made Man. He has lifetime immunity. That’s just how it is.
Daggone that Discount Double Check guy
I knew he was a bum!!! ;-)
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
"I understand you can't compare Tebow and Rodgers, but come on."
Obviously you do not understand…… and it’s quite possible that you understand very little about the game of football.
Now go back to your bed room and gaze into the eyes of your Tim Tebow Fat Head.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Jan 19, 2012 8:03 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
All you seem to do is put other people down.
What is your deal? Do you think that by making these ridiculously bad insults you are actually accomplishing anything? Every single one of your posts is either calling someone a little girl or the like or challenging someone’s knowledge of the game. Grow up man.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!
This is pretty much nonsense.
No body jumped on Rodgers because A: He did not play that poorly, is was a team loss. B: Even if he did play poorly, bad games for him are the exception, not the rule.
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
The NFL has figured out Aaron Rodgers
It was bound to happen sooner or later.
And a lot of you guys are missing the point. Sure, a bad game by ar is too little evidence to try to claim he is no good, BUT expectations for Tebow should not be as high as they are for veteran top three stud qbs, which is what people are doing. A bad playoff game by effectively a rookie qb is not great evidence of being a bust either, especially following a studly playoff game.
Stop getting all hung up on sentences that include active hof bound qbs and tebow, especially when you are constantly saying tebow is not them.
If veteran superstars can have a crappy game, can’t a young guy without multiple studly wrs?
by TheMascotArmy on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Yes
people are to quick to criticize Tebow. Is that what this is all about?
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
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