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First Order of Business

O.K. the end of the season has set in for most of us and we are moving on to "fix" the Denver Broncos. We all have different views on how and at what positions this should be executed. Most of us agree on the main areas that need work though. Some teams want to call this a reloading period, we are not so lucky. We are still rebuilding. The difference IMO is, reloading would be to draft the best player available and let him learn behind your starter, rebuilding you need to still find that starter or someone you expect to get significent playing time. Therefore, it becomes more of a best player available at a position of need. Most teams are in this boat. My view is, if we are weak at a position that we are getting old at, CBs, we draft there. If we are weak at a position where we have youth as backups, S and TE, we get a FA there.



Star-divide

The only thing good about the holdout last year was having the draft before FA. I liked that. Whatever you miss out on in the draft you pick up a FA to cover for. This year is back to normal. The first thing we can do is sign our own FAs.

Here they are with my opinion of what we should do;

Brady Quinn-re-sign him if he will.

Spencer Larsen-resign him.

Eddie Royal-Let him look around. He is not much better than Willis.

Matt Willis- Restricted-reisign him.

Daniel Fells-re-sign him.

Chris Clark- Exclusive Rights-re-sign him.

Russ Hochstein-One year deal if he will. Probably cut him in camp.

Derrick Harvey-same as above

Jason Hunter-same as above

Brodrick Bunkley-re-sign him.

Marcus Thomas-Let him go unless he wants to stay as backup.

Ryan McBean-Don't even offer him a contract.

Mario Haggan-Same as above

Joe Mays-Can stay as backup and STs

Wesley Woodyard-He can get a better offer elsewhere. I hope he stays.

Lance Ball-Restricted-Keep him, for now.

Now that that's out of the way, on to our holes we need to patch in the order I feel is the biggest ones.

MLB-I know, I know, Nate Irving. He was a 3rd round pick though and still a big question mark. I would love a FA here. Dan Conner(Carolina) has been mentioned. I like that.

DT-A huge bull rusher who gets in the backfield. Need to draft one this year, PLEASE! If we don't re-sign Bunkley AND/OR Thomas then maybe a different FA is needed (not McBean).

SS-Dawk is not coming back. Thank you sir for 3 good years. Carter is O.K. I would like a good FA to start ahead of Carter. LaRon Landry if he is healthy and Washington lets him go.

CB-We need a vet to replace Goodman in the starting lineup. I like Aaron Ross(NYG).

So...holes filled with; Conner MLB Landry SS Ross CB

Draft Needs; DT, DE, RB, CB, WR, backup OG, FB and OLB.

Best player of need available. I can't say who will be here and who won't. My early wishes.

#25-We trade down with Philadelphia. We get #s45 and 47 for #s25 and 89. Oh, and they give us back the Mays pick too.

#45-Lamar Miller RB Miami (Fla.) 5-11 212 4.42 or David Wilson RB Virginia Tech 5-10 205 4.42

#47-Chase Minnifield CB Virginia 6-0 185 4.49 or Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina 6-1 193 4.52-Champ's replacement.

#57-Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington 6-3 337 5.22

#94ish after Comp picks-Mike Martin DT Michigan 6-1 304 4.98

#100ish-from St.Louis-have to go WR here, there are tons to choose from-Marvin McNutt WR Iowa 6-2 215 4.52

#130ish-Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt 5-11 188 4.53

#170ish-The Joe Mays pick-Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DT Baylor 6-2 335 5.06

#205ish-Jack Crawford DE Penn State 6-5 273 4.79

Well that's my fix this time around. I'm sure my choices of draft picks and FAs will change. I have faith that EFX will do their best again this year to continue our rebuilding process.

GB2

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This may be super ignorant on my part, but what does GB2 mean?

God bless _ ??? Now that’s out of the way, nice post. We see things the same way. No big free agent WR signing. We draft defense early and often. We more than likely need a couple starters at Safety… Carter might be one now, then again, he might not. Either way, we need Safety depth. I’d love to see Rahim Moore, Julius Thomas, and Nate Irving earn more playing time next season.

What is your view on McNutt? I’ve heard good things about him, and I’d be happy to draft him that far down. Lamar Miller is high up on my big board. I’d still love to take DeCastro if somehow he falls to us…. or one of the stud MLB’s.

Dan Conner is one of Foxy’s boys, but he’s nothing worth writing home about. I’d rather see London Fletcher come over with his teammate Landry for a couple years until we can figure it out better through the draft. Perhaps Manti T’eo when he comes out next year.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 19, 2012 5:49 PM MST reply actions  

God bless, Go Broncos !

The only time you should be looking down on someone is if you are trying to help them up, unless you are Von Miller!

by sfkelway on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Trade DJ Williams and Eddie Royal for Fletcher and Landry...

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 6:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, right.

Washington would never make that deal.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by go4broncos on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I have fun dreaming...

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Awesome . Fletcher is only about 80 years old . Maybe the rebuilding Broncos could also re-up Dawkins with a long, mammoth money deal and coax T. Owens back into the league to replace Royal.

by Pigskin on Jan 22, 2012 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

who gives a shite how old he is

he is an elite player STILL!!! You are ignorant if you didn’t see Dawk’s worth this year. Without him, we were a sieve. No one’s saying to build an entire team of geezers… but a couple well placed ones here and there can do wonders for a football team. TO??? Get real dude. London Fletcher is the anti-TO…. so is Dawk. Fletcher would be better than anything (including a much younger DJ Williams) we’ve had at MIKE since Al Wilson himself.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Come on, man!!! Number one, I was being sarcastic. Number two, you don’t deal viable talent for bridge players. Even if Denver thought a stump was better than D.J., they could get a player/prospect with long term future for him based on his tools alone.

The reality, however, is that the only place where Williams isn’t immensely respected is inside Denver’s goofy fan base. You all think Denver is missing a cheerleader. The thing is, the least remarkable thing about Ray Lewis, Al Wilson, Brian Dawkins, etal, is/are their personality. Each of them can, first and foremost, seriously ball, as can D.J. It isn’t on him that Denver has yet to even sniff complimentary talent to place around him. They are much closer now, but then again, D.J. matched it with another phenomenally productive year.

So, long story short, trading a player/asset for a 38 year old would be about as insane as it can get. I’m glad that EFX isn’t or won’t be that brand of looney.

by Pigskin on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Tebow started that one on Twitter

means GB squared. As in Go Broncos, God Bless

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

That was first thing he did after being drafted

2nd thing he did was name is new dog “Bronco”. Guy bought in hook, line, and sinker.

GB 2

by Boiler etc on Jan 20, 2012 8:00 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for answering that guys.

PH, I didn’t know either a short time back so I went and looked it up. I thought it was pretty cool. I usually signed off Go Broncos anyway.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
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by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Fletcher is too old to spend much money on as a FA. He'll be 37 by the start of next season.

I know he had 166 tackles (96 solo) last year, but he is going to be break down soon and he is going to want a two or three year deal wherever he goes. Let another team overpay for a player at the end of their career.

Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.

by DE_BroncoFan on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

If Dawk is done

we could really use a vet somewhere that can “QB” the defense. IMO the last 5 games really showed how important Dawk is to our d and how much we missed him directing the defense.

by coloradoSportsguy on Jan 21, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

normally I'd say you're right

but Fletcher is an anomaly… much like Darrell Green was. He will be going strong for another 2 years. There’s something about Fletcher that’s just blessed. He should have made All-Pro this year, and he’s the glue of that young, impressive Redskin D. Just watch how much they fall off without him.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

McNutt

Iowa fan here! He has great hands and runs patterns really well. Slightly below average speed. If he is available in 4th or 5th, he would be worth looking at. He is Iowa’s all-time leader in TDs receiving.

The only time you should be looking down on someone is if you are trying to help them up, unless you are Von Miller!

by sfkelway on Jan 19, 2012 6:15 PM MST reply actions  

He is awesome.

Some scouts have him higher than CBS does. There are lots of other choices in that range though.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Derrick Harvey is a bust!

Derrick Harvey was selected #8 of the 1st rd in 2008 by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Derrick held out for most of the training camp and finally signed on August 27th, holding out 33 days and missing valuable team activities. He signed for a guaranteed $17.175mil of a $33.4mil contract. His stats at Jacksonville were way below what a top draft pick should have…

2008 : 15 Tackles 3.5 Sacks 2009 : 57 Tackles 2.0 Sacks 2010 : 12 Tackles 2.5 Sacks

Harvey wasn’t able to subplant Robert Ayers and was used sparsely during the season. Jason Hunter had more playing time than he did. With Harvey what you see is what you get. He should have plenty of money if he hasn’t blown it all and doesn’t have to play to get hurt. I would say the Broncos could do better than him…

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 6:30 PM MST reply actions  

Harvey was a game day inactive most of the season

But I wouldn’t write him off so quick. He didn’t get cut out of camp, and he knows the system. If he comes cheap, I wouldn’t mind seeing him in camp on a vet minimum deal. See what he’s learned. One thing the 9ers have done is pick up talented 1st round picks who were drafted either too high or to the wrong system, and plug in their cap friendly contracts into their team. Harvey might be a 1st round bust, but he did have enough talent to warrant the pick.

by canuckbronco on Jan 20, 2012 6:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Totally agree

He’s the sort of FA contract that will be short term and very incentive laden. Very low risk for us

by yibberat on Jan 20, 2012 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

yes yes yes

stubbornly refusing to admit the gamble didn’t pay off. So many times this happens… I hope that’s not the case with Joe Mays. We need some pop there.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Free agent corner back

Brandon Carr of the chiefs if they can’t sign him . With Bowe and Carr both entering free agency they will only be able to franchise one of them and I see that as Bowe . Carr is a very good # 2 corner and if you can weeken your rival while upgrading all the better .

by ultraclassic04 on Jan 19, 2012 6:30 PM MST reply actions  

I think that Carr is as good as Goodman and younger too..

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

That is not a ringing endorsment

being as good as Goodman is not a good thing

by kimbertr on Jan 20, 2012 7:46 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

i’d prefer to go after rogers. he’s looked good with the 9ers, but i doubt they let him go

by A-Rom on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Like Goodman is nowhere near Champs level neither is Carr near Flowers' level.

Doesn’t mean Goodman or Carr are bad though, and it boils down to speed. Champs read and reaction skills are among the best.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

he's not at Flowers level

but it’s a mich smaller margin than the gap between Champ and Goodman. Maybe not Goodie from his first year here…. he was a beast that year…. but Goodman now is a shell of his former self.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 PM MST up reply actions  

dude

Carr is better than Goodie at this point. He really shut us down last game of the year. Flowers and Carr (especially when Berry’s back there healthy), form one of the best CB tandems in football. I’d be thrilled to sign him.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Carr sounds like a better choice than Ross ultra. Thanks.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Knowing that DTs usually take 3-4 years to develop in the NFL I would think EFX would try to re-sign all three...

Broderick Bunkley has been one of the bright faces of the defense this year and a great find. Marcus Thomas and Ryan McBean have shown progression this last season and it matches to about the time of development they’ve had. The bad part about their situation is that they’ve been under different DCs every year they’ve been here. Hopefully that changes this year and they should be way ahead of schedule come TC. I do hope EFX drafts a pass rush DT in the draft though to help out in that area. One thing I noticed though, Ryan McBean seemed to wear down a bit at the end of the season. Rich Tuten is gone and that may be one reason along with other things. I would at least re-sign them and bring in more talent through FA and draft and let them all compete with eachother.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 6:37 PM MST reply actions  

If we plan on drafting a couple of DTs,

which is my hope, McBean should be outta here.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 6:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Kevin Vickerson will be back

He got a new contract last year, do he’s definitely in the plans. We will see if Ty Warren can go a full season too. I do agree that DT should be addressed though. DE too. I’d really like a solid MLB Tackling machine and I think if the team pursues one, it will be in FA. I also agree that a FA Safety is in order since we have youth there.

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by KaptainKirk on Jan 20, 2012 5:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks KK

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 20, 2012 5:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Being disappointed that Vick came in way under his normal weight is disturbing, I hope he get's back near his weight and adds some strength if that is possible.

We desperately need a couple of pocket collapsing DTs for sure. Just taking up double teams makes VonDooms job that much harder.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Mario Williams?

We have the cap space and he needs to move back to DE in a 4-3. I am really interested in seeing what Warren can do, I was pleased with that signing last year and am eager to see if he can bring it.

by coloradoSportsguy on Jan 21, 2012 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

He had 5 sacks in 5 games. I'm not sure he really "needs" to move back to a DE in the 4-3 but

being that we run a 4-3 team I understand why you say that :). Mario can easily have a 17 sack season like Dumervil did when we ran the 4-3 so I’m not sure being in a 3-4 is really hurting him much.

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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 22, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Texans defense.

Obviously looking very good without him. Their front 7 anyway. Interesting to see if they let him walk. Tremendous player either way. We’d be lucky to sign him but I’m not getting my hopes up. For LaRon Landry either… one or both would be spectacular

by JuiceIsLoose on Jan 22, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I would cheer loudly.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

who's your choice for MIKE in FA, Kaptain???

Conner? Fletcher? Tulloch (I doubt DET lets him go)? Lofton (same as Tulloch)?

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought Haggan has done well for a backup

I want him back this year. He did a great job filling in for Miller in that Minn game, and honestly, he should have finished out the season in his stead

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 6:38 PM MST reply actions  

Haggan hasn't had much playing time

at MLB. I like Irving and Mohammed. I just don’t think they quite ready to start and I don’t want the starter to be Mays or Haggan.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 6:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Haggan filled in well at SAM and is big enough to fill in for DE with ayers (i think)

one of those “versatile” players McD loved (puke)

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 PM MST up reply actions  

And I dont want Haggan for a starter

I want him for a backup. Mays flat out sucks

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 PM MST up reply actions  

We're trying to improve.

Guys like Haggan have to go.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually maybe not.

IDK. That’s up to the coaches. My vote is Haggan, Hunter, Harvey and Hochstein all go. Maybe I just don’t like guys who have a last name starting with H.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol Haggan is the only one of those I want back

You need to replace Haggan with MAYS

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 7:17 PM MST up reply actions  

:)

Alright.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Haggan is one of those utility players who can play multible positions,i.e. SOLB, MIKE and DE...

That’s what Richard Smith talked about when he said he liked Haggan’s abilities. Never the full time starter, but the sub guy.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

spot on Calikula

Haggan def has worth as a reserve guy / leader / STer. He’s so versatile, it makes him hard to get rid of. All football teams need guys like Haggan. Teams need depth too, and they need to resign that depth.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Which is why

most of the FAs we are drooling over won’t even come available.
Do you think Carolina doesn’t know the value of having Conner behind Beason?

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 9:18 PM MST up reply actions  

But at the same time...

Connor now knows that he can plug into the system just as well as Beason. He’s younger, too. He’s going to demand more money; at which point Carolina will have to make a decision: Do we pay Beason (highest paid LB in the league)? Do we pay Connor a little less than Beason and then we have the ability to go out and get a WR or two to help Cam Newton? Do we franchise Connor?

There are a lot of questions to be answered. Teams need depth, but at the same time, two high-profile starters (i.e. the Mike position) are probably not going to be on the same roster. This is especially true if one of the guys is a superstar like Beason.

Think about Peyton Manning – there are talks he will be let go even though he’s one of the best to ever play the game, because a younger, more promising guy is available, and Peyton was injured. Beason was injured, and they actually have a guy that stepped in for him and did just as well. If they can afford to give this guy a longer, cheaper contract than Beason, and have him play about 90% of where Beason plays, they do that and use the cap space to solidify other areas that need depth.

by H-bizzle on Jan 25, 2012 7:48 AM MST up reply actions  

What you say makes sense

but if I’m reading this right you’re saying that Beason would be available in a trade and taking over his “highest paid LB in the league” status. I don’t think they want to lose him though, he signed a six-year, $51.338 million contract. The deal contains $25 million guaranteed, including a $20 million signing bonus. Locked in from 2011-2016. It is for a team that Fox is aquainted with, though. A possible trade???? Would you do Doom for Beason? I would if they could work out a deal with the prepaid money in the contracts. Here’s Doom’s according to Rotoworld; six-year, $61.5 million contract. The deal contains $43.156 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus and Dumervil’s first, second, and third years’ base salaries. 2011-2012: $14 million, 2013: $12 million, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $8,193,335

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 25, 2012 8:03 AM MST up reply actions  

It's just one possible option.

I wouldn’t trade Doom for Beason… that’s like taking awaybut I might do something like our first rounder, a conditional early pick next year, maybe a 5th rounder, and Ayers. Carolina could use two first round picks. I don’t know if there will be interest.

That being said, they might stick to Beason as their primary and franchise Connor; that’s another possibility. They might let Connor walk and honor Beason’s contract, in which case he would be a great addition.

I’m just saying that there are a lot of ways even just this one situation goes down, so it’s impossible to say what is and isn’t possible in FA. :)

by H-bizzle on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

First sentence:

that’s like taking away one car wheel, but adding a supercharger. Supercharger won’t do much without the wheels turning.

by H-bizzle on Jan 25, 2012 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

You could sit at the stop sign

and sound real good.

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by Digger24 on Jan 25, 2012 9:13 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Mays is the one that needs to get him some gone

For every one of his highlight reel hits I swear he has to make about 3-4 missed tackles. He has played far, far, far worse than I remember Hunter and Haggan playing

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by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 6:40 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

agreed no matter what anyone says

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:10 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks pale

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by Calikula on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe EFX will try to re-sign Joe mays if they don't feel Nate Irving is ready to take over.

Drafting one wouldn’t make to much sense righ now with Irving in the wings. Mays would be insurance unless they find somebody better in FA…

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 6:42 PM MST reply actions  

If Mays is still staring at MLB next year, Im gonna have a conniption fit

He’s only good on run downs, and he’s not that good in that dept. And thats his best skill

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by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Well then they have to find someone better in FA then, and who might that be?

Not many teams are ready and willing to give up their playcaller in the middle…

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure, maybe resign Woody, put DJ at Mike and Woody at will

And Im gonna start to have serious doubts about Irving if he cant beat out Mays next year

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by Calikula on Jan 19, 2012 7:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Dan Connor of Carolina

They have Jon Beason already. Connor wants to start. Carolina can’t pay both of them starting pay.

by yibberat on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

What part of being Jon Beason's backup is confusing?

Jon Beason is their starter. Isn’t an NFL team that is gonna take Beason out of the lineup unless he’s hurt. Connor’s only starts were the first 5 games of 2010 (39 T, 1 SK, 1PD) and 13 games this year (75T, 1FF).

by yibberat on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Is he a FA?

What I was able to gather about Fox’s picks of MLBs is that they are in 230lbs area. That’s interesting since most MLBs are generally in the 245-255lb range. Lighter, faster? IDK.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

conniption fit, LOL

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by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions  

well, it wasn't like Irving was a real high round pick

many, many, many depth players are drafted in the 3rd to 7th rounds. They can’t all be starters. Now… I’m not saying Irving won’t be a starter… or can’t… but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s never anything other than depth either. If EFX sees a MLB in the draft they like better than Irving, and they feel it will be an impact signing… they’ll pull that trigger in a heartbeat.

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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 22, 2012 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

That goes for Strong Safety also.

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by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 9:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Cornerback in 2nd?

The kid that is the buzz around the Shrine game practices this week is Josh Norman, Coastal Atlantic. 6’1 203lbs…

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 6:45 PM MST reply actions  

Works for me.

If we could get the trade down I mocked with Phil, I doubt Minnifield or Gilmore would be there anyway.

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by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I would love for EFX to fanagle a trade back to the lower part of the 2nd rd.

Extra pick and probably same value on the pick…

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Out of the 7 picks we have in the draft I think EFX will target 2 Cornerbacks...

One in the 1st two rounds and 1 later in the 3rd-5th. If last years pattern of selections is any clue (2 TEs, 3LBers) EFX might go the same route to get 2 CBs to groom for Champ and Goodman’s positions. I believe the 2nd rd will be a good place to start looking for a potential starter for Goodman’s spot and a player like Trumaine Johnson, Montana or Josh Norman, Coastal Carolina…There are several EFX can glean from the 3rd-5th rds that could be developmental projects.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 7:04 PM MST reply actions  

I like that

as long as they are at least 6 foot tall.

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by Digger24 on Jan 19, 2012 7:07 PM MST up reply actions  

That's the only thing I would draft as our #1&2 CBs is 6'0-6'2...

I wouldn’t expect CB Chris harris to cover taller WRs on the edge. He may be good but he ain’t that good.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 19, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Hold what we got

My hope is Harris shows some improvement next season. That would leave potential rookie(s) to fight with Vaughn and Squid to get on the field. Harris did well this year, and seemed to be a good tackler, he should be our nickle guy next year. Those other two, did not really have an opportunity to show improvement because of injury. Although I don’t think either of those guys ever showed as much on D as Harris did.

A good draft would net us a CB that can contribute right now on special teams, and challege for playing time, possibly taking over for Goodman by latter part of the year.

by brettden on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Chris Harris came out of nowhere and even caused Mike Mayock to apologize for not listing him on his draft board.

The problem with Harris though is his height (5’9) and he couldn’t possibly cover the taller WRs in the league. What we need now is a couple of developmental projects (much like Perrish Cox was going to be) to take over when Champ and Goodman are gone. Most around here have given up on Goody, but I don’t think EFX will unless they can find somebody better in FA.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

height line for our DBs

I don’t know about the height thing. I suspect most of these guys are an inch or two shorter than the bios. But Harris is listed as 5’10" 190# Cox listed at 5’11" 198# and Champ at 6’0" 192#. I’m not seing a big difference there . . .

For me proof is in the play, let’s see what Harris looks like early next season, that should tell us whether he can move up, or hold on to the nickle job. Agree we need to get future starters on the roster soon, or we will be paying big $ for a FA corner in a year or two.

by brettden on Jan 20, 2012 10:55 PM MST up reply actions  

IMO we have a plethera of

Nickle type CBs and FS types. Our #1 and #2 cover CBs are getting old and we have no real replacements behind them. These guys have to be taller than 6 foot IMO. However, the new NFL gives all the breaks to the passing game and very few can withstand being on an island anyway even if they are closer to the same height as the WR they are covering. Maybe the 1 to 2 inches doesn’t mean anything when you’re talking 5-6 or 7-8 inches given up to the WRs. There has to be help in the pass rush. That’s all there is to it. No CB can cover today’s WRs good enough, consistantly enough. Even Champ struggles at times.

I think we will draft at least one CB this year and get a FA CB only if we cut Goodman.

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by Digger24 on Jan 21, 2012 6:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I dont' think it will matter if they draft 2 CBs if we still can't get consistent pressure up the middle.

Getting a solid pas rushing DT and another DE who can actually consistently get to the passer (contribute 7+ sacks a season) our secondary will still be suspect no matter what.

I’m all for drafting a CB but we also need to address those other areas if not in FA then the draft.

I’d love to trade out of the 1st round and pick up Philly’s 2 seconds or a 2nd and a 3rd. Then we could probably take Gilmore and Norman and still have a 2nd or a 3rd to pick up DE, MLB, RB or WR.

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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 22, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

This times 1,000,000

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by Calikula on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Roster upgrade

Obviously we will do something in free agency. But based on the budget/cap comments so far from the front office my expectation is we will not be breaking the bank in free agency. So I agree Woodyard may be gone. But I think lower cost, productive guys will be back. Mays, Haggan, Fells, etc. are guys who at the very least are legitimate roster guys, and they know our system so I think many of those types of guys will be back. I would be somewhat suprised if we sign any obvious starter caliber players in free agency. The only one I think can make an immediate difference for us is Cliff Avril from Detroit. Big time pash rusher, which leads to . . .

We need nhanced play from the secondary. Without any detailed research to back me up, my theory is better pash rush = better DB play, even if the DBs aren’t better. Quicker, more intense pressure leads to bad reads, and bad throws which give DBs more legitimate chances to make plays.

Based on that unempirical premise, I think our #1 draft prioity will be interior pash rush. Avril could rush from the inside on passing downs, as many DEs can. Not sure how many 3 down DTs there are that can play the run and collapse the pocket. Those are rare players. More likley scenario is we add a guy (or guys) that can primarily rush the passer, and we stick with our current run stopping DTs. Bunk, Thomas and McBean did an admirable job there, so maybe team goes with status quo.

As far as CB in the draft, unless we get one of the top prospects, which we will not, or unless we get lucky (eg. Chris Harris), we will not draft a cover guy that is better this year than what we already have. Maybe we draft someone who will develop into a better player within a few years, but not this year. Get more pressure from the interior of the Dline, and DBs all look better.

My view is something like this:

FA – resign the majority of our own guys, bring in at least one pash rusher (our big FA signing) and a few more roster challenge type guys (maybe 1OL, 1DB & 1 or 2 WRs)

Draft – 1) pash rusher 2) CB 3) OL 4) WR/RB 5)QB 5)LB 7)DB

by brettden on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks brettden.

Your view is appreciated. I hope you’re wrong though. To think a better DE than Ayers will fix all our problems doesn’t cut it for me.
Let me start with your view of better pressure makes our CBs efficient and “we will not draft a cover guy that is better this year than what we already have.” I agree. However our two CBs are ancient. We need to spend some draft picks there. Also Goodman is in the 4th year of his 5 year contract. One that has a 4.8 mil dollar incentive bonus if he plays 75% of the defensive snaps. My guess is if he hasn’t reached this we can save over 12 mil if we cut him and replace him. My suggestion was a FA CB AND two CBs in the draft.
Now your view on getting a DE in FA and paying him big bucks. I like Avril. I also like Calais Campbell. Both would be a big improvement over Ayers. I know Ayers came on at the end with 3 sacks, but that doubled his career sacks. We need someone here. I agree with you budget talk though so I don’t think we will spend money here. Ayers will have to do as our starter. Now since he doesn’t quite have the speed to get to the opposing QB, we have to make the QB leave the pocket and come to him. You said yourself we need to get better pressure up the middle. #1 priority for you I think. It should’ve been mine too. Anyway, if we get pressure up the gut it forces the QB to the DEs and Von. You then say,“Those are rare players.” and give up on that theory. NOOOOOO! We have to get a pocket collapsing DT this year. A big, huge mammoth to play beside Doom and wreck havoc. I don’t know about techniques and stuff like that, but that’s my view. I mock drafted 2 of them and another DT because I don’t think Thomas will re-sign.
Thanks again for your unempirical (love that) view.

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by Digger24 on Jan 20, 2012 5:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Would Dontari Poe be too good to pass up at #25? He is a huge (6'5 355lbs) young man that could cause a lot of problems for opposing OLines.

How about Jared Crick at #25 since there are so many climbing up the boards of late? He kinda reminds me of a JJ Watt with a little more upside?

Or the 16 sack making one year wonder out of Illinois, DE Whitney Mercilus?

So many good prospects with only one pick in the first.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

From Rob Rang of CBSsports...
Poe started all 12 games on the defensive line this season, and has made 30 starts for the Tigers during his three-year career. He tallied 33 tackles, including 18 solo stops, and was third on the team in TFL with eight for minus 26 yards in 2011. Poe also posted a sack, three pass breakups, five quarterback hurries and one forced fumble. He matched his career high in tackles with eight against Marshall. At the post-season banquet, he was named an MVP as well as the Defensive Player of the Year. Poe was named to the 2009 C-USA All-Freshman Team and was an honorable mention All-C-USA selection last year. – Memphis football

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

He is top of my wish list.

Love his height also. The guys I mocked, Ta’amu is 6’3" and Baptiste is 6’2".

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by Digger24 on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Crick at #25 is too early and

the JJ Watt comparisons are a little off-base IMO. I’ve heard them as well but dont see it on gameday. I do agree that Crick benefited from Watt’s year at Houston and being in the B1G this year but he missed basically the entire year. Coming off injury I just don’t see Crick sniffing the 1st round.

I see Poe as basically a 3-4 NT. Doesnt show exceptional pass rush, more of a run-stuffer and a bit raw.

by JuiceIsLoose on Jan 22, 2012 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Good to know.

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by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Say,

can someone give me an estimate on how many defensive snaps there are per yer and if Goodman has already hit 75% of a 5 year contract. That is a stupid incentive IMO. He wouldn’t know until his 5 years are up.

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by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 6:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe we already paid this bonus

and it doesn’t effect his salary for the next two years.
But if we are paying him 6mil/yr for the final two years because of a bonus we could avoid paying if we cut him, he may be on the way out.

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by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 6:08 AM MST up reply actions  

FA money

It would be great to get a FA CB that would make Goodman expendible, but based on how FA typically works I don’t believe we will be able to find such a player for much less, if any less, than we will pay for Goodman. If we run the same system next season his familiarity with the system will likely keep him in play, unless we get a great find through the draft (which is possible). My view is a more likely scenario is draft pick that takes over next year. If we see more development from Harris he may get a chance in a couple of years to take over for Champ.

Only reason I say not this year on the 3 down DT that can push the pocket is if there are any of those guys in this draft, and I have no idea if there are, they will be gone by mid first round. We may be able to find such a player later, but would likely take some time to develop. I like the Cambell idea, he fits the mold, I’m good with him and/or Avril. Ayers will be back, he is not flashy but he is not a liability either; solid rotation guy at worst.

Imagine if we could have a 3rd & 10 D line of Doom, Warren (at pre-injury level – fingers crossed), Ayers (even better if we had Campbell here too) and Avril. Add Von as a fifth rusher . . . give me that scenario 20-25 times this season and I see 8 sacks, 5-6 qb knock downs, 2-3 picks and a very low liklihood of a 1st down. At least that is how I see it when I run it through in my head!

by brettden on Jan 20, 2012 8:10 AM MST reply actions  

One of the most important positions to get in FA will be the Safety position.

With BDawk an unknown this year EFX will have no choice but go the FA market way for a veteran Safety.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

but for how long?

Are we going big $ for a long term guy, or little $ for a one or two year guy to help while the guys we have grow? I’d prefer to have a guy now that is at a high level, but my gut feel is we are going to get a FA who has been a ST/spot starter (a 1.5 or two on the Walter scale, whatever that means) and give him a chance to compete with Moore, Bruton and Carter.

After the year if we don’t see improvement from Moore and Carter we will likely again be looking for a S near the top of our draft class.

by brettden on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Or maybe Dawk can go one more year.

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by Digger24 on Jan 21, 2012 7:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Big$...

If the last free agency was measurement to how EFX will approach FA then I don’t see any Big$ signings like we would love, i.e. Landry, Mario Williams and others. After Xanders said they would address free agency “agressively” he also said they would explore the “value” players. My guess is the middle of the road plays like Bunkley was or former first rd picks that never lived up to their potential such as Derrick Harvey.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 21, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

so who’s the bargain SS? Carter isn’t ready and may never be what we want.

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by Digger24 on Jan 21, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Carter is the best out of the young guys that we have and could play both positions better than either Bruton or Moore.

He may not be the player we want him to be yet but I wouldn’t say he isn’t ready yet. He proved very capable the last few weeks of the season and in the playoffs IMO.

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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 22, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Good post - my thoughts

Unless Jeremy Beal goes on a tear, I think resigning Jason Hunter to a modest 2 year contract or so would be a wise move.

I hesitate to cut McBean so easily when we have a PS guy like Mitch Unrein on the team. If they draft a DT, then they can cut Unrein and extend McBean another year before making a decision on his long term status. I have to hand it to him, he actually played well this year, so he deserves a short extension at least.

Mario Haggan can stay on STs forever as far as I’m concerned. He loves to play, no matter what the coaches ask of him and that makes him a good player to have around. Besides, this team doesn’t have much if any depth behind Von Miller and Haggan has proven that he can step in spot duty, if needed.

Lance Ball should be cut since I think he’s no better than Jeremiah Johnson. He is more reliable than Moreno however, so there’s that going for him.

If Irving isn’t ready to play MLB, then DJ should play the Mike with Mays demoted to STs and goal line packages. Wesley Woodyard can play the Will until a long term solution is available at Mike.

I couldn’t agree more on how badly this defense needs another NT! Ty Warren has only 1 year left on his contract and may or may not stay healthy in 2012. To expect Bunkley to stay healthy like he did most of this year is asking for too much. Young blood is needed in a very big way to help open up holes for our LBs to attack the pocket. That was painfully apparent against the Patriots.

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by Horsepower on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 AM MST reply actions  

Let's not forget we have Big Ben Garland waiting in the wings (literally) and is a DE/DT.

He will have to compete just like all the others do, but I was amazed they kept him and waited on him for so long.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not like they were out anything by

keeping him. I don’t think we were paying him anything and he waasn’t taking up a roster spot.

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by Digger24 on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

He's 31 now

He’s not going to be an answer to anything

by yibberat on Jan 20, 2012 4:58 PM MST up reply actions  

That's interesting as I would have guessed 24-26...

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 21, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Ugh...I find that he's 23 actually and his committment is over this spring...

He should be in for OTAs and other team activities to see if he belongs or not.

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 21, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll be interested

to see what he weighs in at.

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by Digger24 on Jan 21, 2012 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

The Broncos website says he's 23 - but no date of birth

The NFL website says his date of birth is Apr 6, 1981 (ie 31 in a couple months)

Something definitely weird

by yibberat on Jan 22, 2012 5:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I did some digging

and all sites (ESPN, CBS, NFL.com, Yahoo,ect.) had his birthday as 4/6/1981. However, I was still skeptical. Then I found this at Rotoworld.
Air Force alum Ben Garland is still pursuing an NFL career and recently gave up an opportunity to begin pilot training.Garland, who turns 30 in a week, was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Broncos last spring and spent the year on the “reserve/military” list. He won’t be eligible to play in 2011, but could get a sort of work release from the Air Force next year. Garland is a 6’5/275-pound defensive lineman. 3/31/2011

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by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 5:55 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.
[McBean] actually played well this year, so he deserves a short extension at least.

I’m not sure where all this McBean hate is coming from. I didn’t see a huge drop-off between him, Thomas and Bunkley. But…I don’t pretend to be an expert at evaluating DTs.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 21, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

He's gotten some penalties that make his

future questioned, but yeah I don’t think there is hate. We need improvements and to do that some of the current guys have to go. I’m not sure if he goes or stays. My guess is signing quickly, before the other two (Bunkley and Thomas), would help.
What many people don’t get is just because we re-sign them it doesn’t mean they will be on the team next year.

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by Digger24 on Jan 21, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

That's true.

I guess there are only so many spots available. If we upgrade, someone has to go.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 21, 2012 7:57 PM MST up reply actions  

It's only opinions Jerry.

Yours is as valuable as everyone else’s. McBean did show signs this year and should probably get a new contract. His penalties are what pisses me off.

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by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

@digger24..love this time of year. Speculations are rampant

First things first will be to start all over again with OC and DC. Really hope Dennis Allen stays but word is that he really wants the Raiders job.
New coordinators mean new directions/schemes/ideas etc. How do we find an OC for this offense, probably not unless bring a college guy in (not my top choice).
Also if you want your coaches to stay then NO coordinator wants that.
NAH, I see major step back if both go.

Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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by DLMyers on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 AM MST reply actions  

Me too.

I wish both would stay. it doesn’t sound like they will. That sucks. I think McCoy could have had Tebow running the same offense as Orton did next year and if the power rushing game ever came around to where pounding it in the same hole over and over actually worked we could’ve been on to something. LOL.

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by Digger24 on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Looks like McCoy is staying

and I really think Raiders will go a different direction as well. Either way I trust Fox will find a new guy for D that will fit in well (maybe Singletary?).

by brettden on Jan 20, 2012 11:04 PM MST reply actions  

Huh? For DC?

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by Calikula on Jan 22, 2012 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Nice post and all,

but why do people insist on adding trades to their mock projections? And if we have a chance to take a guy like Burfict or maybe Kirkpatrick at 25, we do it. Stockpiling is for teams that can take a chance on that extra 3rd or 4th rounder becoming a star. We don’t have that option. We need to stay in the first round (where the talent is, because let’s face it, these guys are first rounders for a reason) so we can get ourselves another defensive stalwart to go along with Von Miller. And let’s hope Von returns to form, he was not the same after his injury. GB2

Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!

by postpunk27 on Jan 22, 2012 9:16 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Haha!

Burfict.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 22, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought he was a good player,

am I mistaken?

Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!

by postpunk27 on Jan 22, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

He was a top flight prospect

and then all of a sudden he’s not not. He got benched. Now the word is he’s a cancer. IDK Some say maybe he slides all the way to our 2nd pick. I doubt it. Maybe right around where Malaluga went, top of 2nd round.

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Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

As Digger said...

Yeah, he’s a train wreck. People seem to overvalue his abilities based on two amazing hits that he made when he was a freshman. He had a nice second and third year, but never really matured. Next thing you know, as a senior, his coach no longer has his back (granted, it was Dennis Erickson, an extraordinary flake).

But Burfict seems incapable of playing assignment-based defense. And then, just when you need him to stay under control, he commits some silly discipline penalty.

I imagine some dummy will pick him in the top 2 rounds; but he’s a disaster. Think Brian Bosworth on shrooms.

The funniest thing I’ve read are all these doofi mocking him to the Ravens in the first round, claiming that a strong locker room can keep him in line. The Ravens? Strong locker room? Yeah, Terrell Suggs is the poster boy for mental stability.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 22, 2012 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks to you both for the replies :)

Well, it appears you are both correct, and I stand corrected. Burfict might end up a decent enough player, but I’m not for adding guys with those types of issues. We need stability and it appears that would not be the case with a player like that. It’s a shame, really, that people can have all the talent in the world but not have the wherewithal to keep it all together.

Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!

by postpunk27 on Jan 23, 2012 7:37 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Miller had a cast on so I wouldnt worry about him returning to form

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Jan 25, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes we do ultra.

I don’t think Del Rio is the man. I think Fox talking to him was a coincidence. I think he will take some time on this. Maybe promote from within and get a younger guy to fill in wherever the DC came from.

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Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 25, 2012 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I like this idea

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Jan 25, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

New Ideas

I didn’t want to do a new post and knock somebody elses off the board so I’ll put it here. My haven’t changed my mind all that much anyway and a new one would be kind of redundant.
Our FAs;
I was wrong about Haggan and McBean they should be in the “One year deal if he will. Probably cut him in camp.” class with Hoch, Hunter and Harvey.
I still feel Royal, Thomas and Woodyard will hold off signing our offer and testing the field. Add Mays to that list. Our offer will be to low for what they feel they can get elsewhere. I think Thomas will be the only one to leave.
Other teams FAs;
I like the names being thrown out there, I just know 70% of the FAs now won’t be available in March when FA period opens. If Conner is available I still like that signing. Landry, not so much. Not getting Achilles surgery doctors wanted bugs me. I like Tyvon Branch here instead. In the comments we decided Brandon Carr would be a better FA CB than Aaron Ross.
Draft;
Trade downs are hard to do mid rounds. We will if we can though.

  1. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St. 6’4" 295 4.96-I think we want to draft a DE. Couples will be long gone. Upshaw and Ingram are Ayers clones. Perry, Mercilus and Branch are to light for DE. They have Cox as a DT, I think we play him as a rotational DE.
  2. Vontaze Burflict ILB Arizona St. 6’3" 250 4.67-Hey how bad can he actually be. We have DJ. The kid is an animal. We need that.
  3. George Iloka FS Boise St 6’4" 222 4.50-Height like that is unheard of as a DB. He played pretty good in the Senior Bowl IMO.
    4th Mike Martin DT Michigan 6’1" 304 4.98-I have watch him play. He always makes plays.
    5a. Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati 5-10 193 4.42-The next Senior Bowl MVP to Super Bowl MVP
    5b. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt 5-11 188 4.53-Good showing at Senior Bowl. Hope it didn’t move him up to far.
    7th Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DT Baylor 6-2 335 5.06-I’ll still go with the big boy and put him on the Practce Squad.

I know no WR. Maybe we get one in FA after the draft. If we are looking to replace Royal there are plenty of fast guys that could run the triple option and be a return man that won’t even get drafted.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Jan 29, 2012 9:39 AM MST reply actions  

do you think burflict falls to second round? I like him.. but i think Baltimore picking after us likes him too

by luke22 on Jan 29, 2012 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I picked him at #57

CBS has him at like #87 not that that means anything. We’ll see. It’s just a mock, who knows who will go where in the draft right now. It’s just an educated guess at this point. Yes I do think he falls to mid-2nd. Probably not all the way to our spot, no.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 29, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I put it up on Mocking the draft.

here

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
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Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 29, 2012 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

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