Tebow's Dropbacks, KC - and McCoy's Play-Calling
I figured I'd use my game rewind subscription before it runs out later this week to look at each of Tebow's pass attempts for the game, including sacks. Here's how I'm scoring. I'm looking at both play calling and execution, and I'm scoring each on a pass/fail/push basis. I give each play a "push" if the playcalling/execution doesn't have much bearing on the outcome of the play, or if it isn't clear to me.
Drive #2: 1st and 10. Flea-flicker. The announcers disagreed on if Decker was open, Phil Simms said he was. To my eyes, I think it could go either way. Decker had some separation, but he was cutting on an outward slant towards the sideline when Tebow was to throw, and Tebow was outside the hashmarks on the other side of the field. That's a much harder play that it looks, and the ball would have been in the air for a long time. I think it was a dumb decision to call that play at that particular time, as it was designed for Decker or no one (hardly any receivers, max-protect). Playcall: fail. Execution: push. UPDATE: Apparently Fox mentioned that Decker ran the wrong route. This would change my vote to a pass/fail (on Decker).
Drive #2: 3rd and 4. This is just after Kuper's injury. Tebow goes to his second or third read on this play, and short-arms a throw to Royal, who can't get to it. This is a good play call, and the execution isn't great. As far as the execution, it's tough to know who to blame. I think it's about what you expect from Royal - he probably has the smallest adjustment window of any Broncos receiver (Brandon Lloyd had the biggest). If you're going to complete a pass to Royal, it absolutely has to be a strike right down the middle, because he simply does not adjust to the ball. That said, I do think Tebow didn't have enough comfort level for this throw, and should have thrown it closer, so I'll put this more on Tebow. Playcall: pass. Execution: fail.
That's actually it for the first quarter. On to the second...
Drive #3: 2nd and 8. Fake option to right, rollout to left, throw in flat to Larsen, who sprains his knee. Simms is talking about giving Tebow some easy throws to build confidence, and that's exactly what he does. On top of that, Tebow pumps to draw in a defender and throws a nice catchable ball to Larsen, who gains most of the needed yardage. Playcall: pass. Execution: pass.
Drive #3: 2nd and 13. Tebow play-actions and throws to Thomas, who picks up a first down. What? We didn't run on 2nd and long? Playcall: pass. Execution: pass.
Drive #4: 2nd and 8. According to both announcers, receivers were very well covered. Tebow went to his second read, and threw the pass to Thomas. It was high, probably on purpose. Tough catch, but Thomas arguably could have caught it. Decker had a double-move that didn't fool anyone. Playcall: push. Execution: push.
Drive #4: 3rd and 8. This just looks like a dumb play call to me. You've got receivers screening each other out of the play in the middle of the field. Tebow does well to go to his alternate read and pass the ball quickly against the blitz. Decker is well-covered and the route isn't designed to get eight yards against good coverage. Playcall: fail. Execution: pass. UPDATE: firstfan makes the good point that the screen is probably a busted route, so I'd probably re-score this as a push/fail, on the receivers.
Drive #5: 1st and 10. There are only 48 seconds left in the half, and Tebow throws down the left sideline to Thomas, and it's nearly intercepted. I think it's a good play call. To me, it looks like Thomas is trying to get inside position against Brandon Carr, and gives up. That fits with my perception of Thomas so far - he's fluid and talented, but not aggressive. The pass looked on target if Thomas had managed to get the inside step on Carr. But just as strong an argument could be made that Tebow either should have aimed it different or not thrown it at all. Playcall: pass. Execution: fail.
Drive #5: 3rd and 9. They're in spread, the routes look evenly spread out at around the first-down marker, and the receivers looked to be doing their job. Tebow throws inaccurately to the right sideline and Thomas can't get to it. This one's clearly on Tebow. Playcall: pass. Execution: fail.
Half ends. So far we're at 6-2 for play calling, and 3-3-2 for execution, two of the failures on Tebow.
Second half:
Drive #6: 1st and 10. By now you know that KC is playing man-to-man. This didn't seem to be a play call designed to beat man-to-man. Tebow drops back, scrambles around a bit, and throws it away. They showed the all-22 film on this one, and every receiver was completely covered, on simple routes. Nothing for Tebow to do here except throw it away. Playcall: fail. Execution: push.
Drive #6: 3rd and 3. Was this a sprint-pass-option? Tebow rolls out on the bootleg and finds Fells. Excellent job. Playcall: pass. Execution: pass.
Drive #6: 1st and 20 (darn it Clady). I think Simms is a little easy on Tebow here. Tebow throws to Virgil Green *after* he cuts in (not his first read), but is hit on the blitz as he throws, and it's incomplete. Tebow could arguably have thrown it sooner by recognizing Green had position and throwing it as Green makes his cut. On the other hand, maybe that's too much to ask for a receiver that isn't a primary read (I'm assuming Green isn't primary because when has Green ever been primary?). But I'll score it as Playcall: pass. Execution: fail.
Drive #7: 3rd and 5. This is when Tebow had the face mask no-call. It's hard to tell what the play call was, but it looks like Tebow was looking for a fade to DT in the end zone, which doesn't seem like a good idea to me. But I think it's a push overall. Playcall: push. Execution: push.
Drive #8: 2nd and 6. Max-protect, Tebow back to pass. According to Simms, Decker was open twice on this play, although it looks like timing-wise it wasn't when Tebow was looking in his direction. Apparently Denver has been successful on this pass in the past. Tebow might have been tentative. Playcall: pass. Execution: fail.
Drive #8: 3rd and 6. Pass batted down. Playcall: pass. Execution: push.
Drive #9: 3rd and 6. Ugh. After a long sequence of runs, Denver calls a bootleg again, it looks like sprint-pass-option or whatever that play Montana was so famous for. But the receivers, oy. DT is covered on a fly. Decker can't beat the press and is basically trying to run through his cornerback. Fells releases, allowing his guy to eventually sack Tebow, and Fells also promptly runs right over to Decker, effectively covering him. Just a horrible job by the receivers. Playcall: pass. Execution: fail.
Drive #10: 1st and 10. Tebow tries throwing deep to Decker, incomplete, but there's an illegal contact penalty. It looked uncatchable anyway but maybe Decker wouldn't have pulled up otherwise. Playcall: push. Execution: push.
Drive #10: 2rd and 6. Denver tries picking the corners on the left side, and Tebow is eventually sacked. Simms praises Kansas City for snuffing it out, but I thought Tebow could have thrown quickly to Royal for the first down. Playcall: pass. Execution: fail.
Drive #10: 3rd and 7. Excellent coverage by the Chiefs. Playcall: push. Execution: push.
We're down to the final drive here, with 58 seconds left.
Drive #11: 1st and 10. Man, it's like KC knows the receivers' routes as they're running them. The corners are going to cover the spot where the receivers are aiming. Tebow throws to the only spot where Royal could have made the catch without a corner getting it first, but Royal isn't fast enough. You could argue that Royal's sat on his hesitation move too much, but I think it's more just from excellent coverage. Playcall: push. Execution: push.
Drive #11: 2nd and 10. Excellent coverage again. Tebow scrambles and throws it away. Playcall: push. Execution: push.
Drive #11: 3rd and 9. Pass to Thomas, roughing the passer. Pass, pass.
Drive #11: 1st and 10. Incomplete pass to Rosario. That looked catchable. Pass, fail (Rosario).
Drive #11: 2nd and 10. Incomplete pass to Willis. Again, catchable. Pass, fail.
Drive #11: 3rd and 10. Completed pass to Thomas, who runs out of bounds - good play. Pass, pass.
Drive #11: 4th and 2. Interception by Tebow. I don't understand the routes - crossing pattern in the middle by Ball? Time would run out. Fail, push.
So, there it is. I didn't try to categorize things by who the execution failures should be blamed on, but you can see in the notes. Overall, the scores on the pass attempts look like this:
2nd-half Playcalling: 11-2-4. 2nd-half execution: 3-6-8.
Conclusions: Overall, the play calling was much better than the execution in this game, at least in terms of the pass attempts. I didn't look at cases where a pass should have been called instead of a run, which I know is a huge part of the controversy, but in terms of what pass play to call when a pass play was called, it doesn't look like the play calling was bad. Overall for the game, I have the play calling scored as 17 good calls, 4 bad calls, and 4 pushes.
Execution is a different story. I have 6 well-executed pass plays, 9 poorly executed pass plays, and 10 pushes. Out of the bad plays, I have Tebow to blame for five of them, maybe six, and the receivers to blame for the other 3-4.
UPDATE: With the re-scoring, I'd have this as 18-2-5 for the play-calling, and 5-11-9 for execution. Of the bad plays, I'd have Tebow for 5-6, and receivers for the other 5-6 - equally responsible.
I think given that, it's hard to criticize McCoy too much for his lack of pass plays. When the execution is as poor as it is, you want to minimize the pass attempts. Here's the thing: we desperately need to improve BOTH our quarterback play AND our receiving play. Improving EITHER will contribute to improved play for the offense, but they are also both limiting factors. This is where an offseason will help a lot, I think. Neither Decker, nor Tebow, nor Demaryius Thomas has had a full off-season with the Denver Broncos, and they say that that first full offseason is huge and key for development of quarterbacks and receivers.
Before looking at this, I was furious at McCoy too, but this has tempered my fury a bit. I do think it's possible to get a better offensive coordinator, but it's not like McCoy is making a lot of dumb choices. What we need more than anything, though, is people that are skilled at developing talent in the offseason, both for the quarterbacks and especially the receivers.
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Thanks for taking the time to really look at these plays and giving us your analysis. Appreciated and rec’d. One note though, I don’t think McCoy or any other coordinator would devise a pass play with two recievers in the same spot. That is a blown route. One of the recievers still doesn’t know his play book. Good job tunesmith. I always like your stuff.
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John Fox confirmed Monday on KOA, Decker ran the wrong route on the flea flicker, it’s too bad Decker knows his country skank’s anatomy better than his freaking playbook :(
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
for sure
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Nice breakdown
Tebow definitely looked tentative but I watched Packers-Chiefs game; the Chiefs have a very underrated defense.
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KC perimeter defense is exceptional
great safety play too, most of the time.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 AM MST up reply actions
They played a Cover 1 with that safety most of the game...
Very interesting. Doubled one receiver and let the safety roam the other side. If I’m not mistaken (which as my name suggests) I think Buffalo played a Cover 1 and we had no passing answer for that either.
Tebow needs to get better at guiding that safety with his eyes, while at the same time his WRs need to run better shake routes.
Right now it looks like our WRs run routes in such a way as to try and ‘OUT-ATHLETICISM’ the other guys (who can run faster). Of course, deep play action routes 7 out of 10 pass plays is pretty much all that is… Double move or not.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 3, 2012 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
the Chiefs have an underrated defense
when Romeo Crennel is in charge of everything, how come the KC defense really didn’t shine until Todd Haley, here’s his mugshot while shopping with his girlfriend
, got fired. It’s an interesting question if nothing else
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
thanks, tunesmith.
that’s close to what i saw yesterday, but without the in-depth insight you provided. tebow didn’t look right yesterday—even the way he appeared to be carrying himself. i’d even rate the flea flicker a pass as an excellent call to keep kc off their feet. you probably didn’t have the info when you wrote this but i believe fox has since stated that decker ran the wrong route and should’ve been down the middle instead of the opposite side. really, outside of magic i’m not sure what mccoy should be calling with such poor performance by QB and receivers (and sometimes OL).
not to mention, the broncos ran for over 200 yards with mcgahee having 145. running game was just fat and ripe.
oof
That’s interesting to hear, thanks for that news oxmouth. I agree, given that, the flea flicker would be a good call with poor execution on the receivers. Damn.
i finally found it—it’s fox’s presser today on denverbroncos.com. i might have made up the part about going opposite side instead of middle, but fox does say decker ran the wrong route.
which… can i just say, i get running the wrong route sometimes in the flow of the game and all but when a FLEA FLICKER is called in the huddle, don’t you have bells and alarms going off in your head that scream FLEA FLICKER? it just doesn’t seem like a play you forget a route on. what do i know though, right?…
it is odd
he ran a corner route, and every fleaflicker I have ever seen (with a single long pass) was a post. One theory that might help us forgive Deck in this situation is that in the heat of the play her read the coverage and adjusted, falling back on ingrained training and forgetting that no adjustment is needed because it is a freaking fleaflicker….
I wonder what Tebow was thinking when he was looking downfield?
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 3, 2012 1:11 AM MST up reply actions
“where the gosh diddly-dum is my wonderful friend Eric Decker? Looks like he took a wrong turn, Hi-Dilly-Oh! What a kick in the kadiddle-hopper!”
Sorry, sometimes when I imagine Tebow talking, I can only hear Ned Flanders. :)
by tunesmith on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
lol
Ba da bum tissss, you know , the drum
by gabriel suarez moreno on Jan 3, 2012 8:08 AM MST up reply actions
That was brilliant.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Hahaha... Ned Flanders! SOO FUNNY!
I’m sure Tebow was thinking this since E.D. ran the wrong route haha
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 3, 2012 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
good read man
I just can’t get over the lack of balance. I think those 5 – 6 TT fails turns into 2 – 3 if he is able to get rhythm. You nailed it, that is exactly where my frustration lies. Im not saying fire him, but damn. I honestly think he needs to improve.
by LC43EU on Jan 2, 2012 5:02 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Great info
Its hard to put a fail on the QB and/or the WR, really execution falls on both of them unless there is a clear flat out drop or just a terribly thrown ball, unfortunately we have seen many of these this season.
To the point mentioned above on the Flea Flicker. Decker ran than wrong route, but without knowing that information you would think Tebow either A didn’t have the confidence to throw the ball or B just flat out missed the opening to throw. So how many of those fails were the QB not throwing , or the receiver not being where the QB expected.
At any rate out passing game needs a ton of work and has a ton of room for improvement!!!
Interesting analysis tunesmith
Still trying to absorb it, but it does seem to represent what we all witnessed. The play play calls were mostly good ones but the receivers couldn’t get open and Tebow showed no confidence. Maybe Buffalo got to him or maybe he had it drilled into him to protect the ball at all costs, but he wasn’t himself. Hell, I didn’t even see him smile once during the game and that disturbs me just about as much as anything else. Maybe if just a fraction of all those dumb runs up the middle were turned into passes they could have started finding some rhythm. No matter what though, we have to hope our receivers, Tebow and coaches all snap out of this funk before Sunday. We need to get them on the same page and ready to sacrifice everything to make the big plays.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jan 2, 2012 6:14 PM MST reply actions
On to the field walks Elway during the summer.
That in itself has me excited. My personal belief is that given the off season coming up, if all of our key people are still in place, we will see a change in this team that will be unreal!
"It ain't over till the Te-man says it is!"
Does anyone else think
that just maybe he does not get enough depth on some of his longer passes. It sure seems like it to me with as fast as the DL is in his face and watching other QB’s
that's interesting
I had never thought of that. If there’s room for him to drop back further, then it might mean more lanes in the pocket for him to run through, too.
From listening to guys (ie: not my own knowledge( aren't QB's supposed to "step up into the pocket"
as opposed to usually dropping back?
GB 2
yes, but only after the edgerushers are pushed wide/deep by OTs
If you step up too soon, they can keep an inside rush and you get hurried/sacked.
With the extended release, they can't rely on a 7 step drop.
The O-line is just not geared to contain the pocket for that long.
Respectfully disagree
Tebow frequently appears to have more time in the pocket than any NFL QB I have ever watched. Mostly because of 2 factors:
1. Fox utilizes max protect with an extra OL as well as TE and/or FB
2. Defenses are now sagging a bit vice rushiing Tebow so that he is unable to run to the outside.
In that home finale Tebow so often seemed to be in the pocket for a ridiculous 6 to 7 seconds on most pass plays. He could take a 12 step drop if there were such a thing.
But
doesn’t max protect limit the receivers’ ability to get open?
We need to get that protection even when the TE breaks off the block and runs routes, or the FB runs to the flat as a dump-off option. We need to get that protection with two TEs as opposed to an extra OL. There are a lot of things about the way this offense is planned that, even if Timmy has time in the pocket, a lot of things become one-dimensional for the defense. If they can keep man coverage on our middle-of-the-road receivers while still stacking the box for pressure, having an LB spy, AND safety up top… I really don’t see how max protect is a good idea.
Unfortunately all of our WRs are middle of the road.
And our wing formation with the RB right or left with 5 O-Lineman would have been fine protection on Sunday (from what I could see). Use the RB to chip-block on Orlando Franklin’s side and then release.
I’d almost use Fells or Rosario in a ‘receiving’ type formation everytime rather than keep them in for blocking. However, I think Fox uses ‘max protection’ formations to RUN THE BALL with.
The double tight end sets are not really there for PASS PROTECTION so much as extra blocking for his run game. It just so happens that Mike McCoy’s ‘trick’ is to run Play Action passes off of this set (i-formation or ACE) which is why it always is max protection.
Anyway… Who knows unless we’re in the film room.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 3, 2012 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
Great work
The more research I’ve put into this teams play calling since Tebow has started, the less angry I get. McCoy and Fox have done a good job of trying to make the most of the talent on this team.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jan 2, 2012 8:16 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
The passing game is simply moving too fast right now for Tim
Thats why we see the most tentative QB I can remember ever seeing…which with his “development” in becoming more of a pocket passer, he seems to also fight his urge to take off and run. This Sunday Tim needs to throw caution to the wind and play his brand of football and McCoy needs to allow that to happen. If Tim isn’t confident in making the throw, rather than just scramble around In the pocket for 5 seconds before slinging it out of bounds or into the dirt, give Tebow the green light to use his athleticism and instincts to make plays with his legs. Worry about the pocket passing in the offseason. The Broncos “best chance to win” in coach speak is to have Tim run at the first sign of receivers covered. Pound the ball with McGahee and strive to move the chains and win the field position battle and let Allen get aggressive on defense since we are winning the field position battle, which will allow him to take risks in order to force Roethlisberger into mistakes and turnovers. 20-16 Denver!!!
by knoepke84 on Jan 2, 2012 8:32 PM MST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Yep, they've got him thinking and worrying too much.
Release the Beast damnit………..what is there to loose?
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Agreed but..
I don’t think it’s moving too FAST for Tim…but he isn’t comfortable making risky throws. I agree you can almost SEE him thinking “That guy is about to sack me! I better run…well wait…coach told me to keep looking downfield and throw the ball so…but there’s an opening I could run…but wait is that my #4 receiving option breaking open? Maybe…there is a teeny weeny window…mmm…no too risky better keep looking….” I actually yelled “TEBOW RUUUNNNN!!!” during sevreal passing plays that game…anybody else do that and think that was something they would NEVER have to yell? My wife actuallly asked me if I thought they broke Tebow because he wasn’t scrambling…I told her I frigging hope not! He scrambles and passing lanes will start to open.
Quotes from my wife (2nd yr football fan) while watching the Broncos with me:
"Honey I know we are losing and you are upset but remember things could be worse. You could be cheering for the Raiders."
"THAT hit [Rahim on Jones] got a flag? What?!?! AND a FINE?!?! Why not just strap pillows to their heads and have a tea party on the 50 yard line since that's as much contact as the NFL will allow."
by DominantDenverDefense on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 PM MST up reply actions
I totally agree mate...worst thing you can do as a coach if have your guys "thinking" during live bullets...
Thats what practice is for. In snowboard racing we have a saying: " tactics inside course, technique outside". Seems to me that Tebow is still in practice mode all the time, thinking too much and not playing thru feel.
This is common fo a young guy as they try to acquire skills. Its up to the coaching staff to be careful how much you give a young guy. It seems like the staff confident Tebw can handle it, but it looks to me they have him overthinking. They need to get him right.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
And just like that we are back on the same page Ben!
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
And it did not even hurt mate!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Except the KC defense was fully designed to keep TT from running
They spied a LB and they rushed to contain, meaning that their DTs and DEs were not really trying to sack TT, only to keep him from running out of the pocket. I think that is why he kept drifting backward in the pocket, there were no lanes for him to step up into and/or run into and the only avenue out of the pocket was to back up.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
Where are the adjustments?
What worries me is that when Tebow comes to the line and sees 8 in the box, single high safety and man coverage over and over, there is no audible, no adjustment to the playcalling to adapt to the defenses scheme. Why can’t the Broncos ever run a quick slant or hit a deep pass on this type of coverage (or whatever works against a run-look defense)?
Our receivers don't have the athleticism to regularly beat man coverage.
Decker was struggling getting a push at the LOS, and the high safety almost always cheated towards our bigger/faster guy in Thomas. Stacked box and man outside with safety help is really a defense that we don’t have an answer for until we start using our TEs as safety valves.
And the Broncos have kept the TEs blocking instead of releasing them downfield
Some seam routes or short curls in the middle of the field with a TE would really open up the field for Tebow and the team.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 3, 2012 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
I am absolutely serious
Half-back option with Tebow as a primary receiver. Same as Elway did against the Redskins in the Superbowl. Same as Cam Newton did earlier this season. Run not as a gadget play but over and over until they stop that 8 man front garbage.
Man is the measure of all things.
by BuddyHollysPilot on Jan 3, 2012 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
I think this fails to address a few key factors when analyzing the pass performance
1. McCoy’s performance examination should include the ‘route concepts’ as well. Play-action, deep posts & outs (15-30 yards downfield) accounted for far too many pass plays. DBs & Safeties were able to plan on these deep patterns and were NEVER fooled by them making it near impossible for the WRs to get separation which caused Tebow to hold onto the ball for long periods of time.
This is an EPIC FAIL on McCoy’s part as he is responsible for creating Route Trees that get WRs open, and get the ball out of Tebow’s hand quicker.
2. This also fails to address the separation the WRs created at the time of their progression read. Was Erik Decker open late on some of his routes, SURE, but it was after the read for that route took place. Tebow had already looked him off by the time he managed to get open.
3. This also doesn’t address the route running. Between McCoy’s poor route designs, and our WRs inability to run a great route and create separation at the time of the progression – almost EVERY pass play is a fail.
That said, Tebow didn’t play super well. But I was at the game and able to see each play as it developed, seeing the entire field.
You know what fans at the game saw? WIDE RECEIVERS THAT WERE NEVER OPEN. The only play that fans blamed Tebow for was the fumble, and one play late where he missed a wide-open underneath route. Then I got home and watched the TV and read some blogs and everyone acted like Tebow was the worst part of the game. That simply isn’t true.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 2, 2012 8:57 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
Wow, my apologies... I forgot to say that I really enjoyed reading it!!!
Sorry Tune, my analysis sounded really harsh… I just meant that there was a lot going on that people ignore (coaching, schemes, WRs, etc) when analyzing a QB’s pass performance.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 2, 2012 8:59 PM MST up reply actions
Now that is an interesting take
that i hadn’t heard before!

From your point of observation, it seems that we need to put a lot more work in with route running and learning the play book to make the biggest diff in the passing game..
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
Who better to learn/practice with than Champ Bailey...
Since he lives in the Denver area he could be available imo…The receivers are stuggling at times at getting separation from the defenders. Whether it’s tell-tale signs the DBs are picking up or not enough disguises. Great winde receivers beat great CBs with changing the way the ‘show’ off the line of scrimmage. Great DBs like Champ Bailey will study hours of film on WRs and QBs. With a keen eye certain traits can be picked up tha give away what the WR is going to do.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Yes, and...
McCoy needs to work on the Route Concepts for each play. The play design’s in terms of the WR route trees just aren’t very good. Watch the Patriots & Packers route trees and you will see WRs spring open EVERY play. It’s in part because they have fantastic receivers, but the other piece is the SCHEME.
The OCs for the Pack & Pats utilize a large variety of UNDERNEATH routes and crossing routes. Just like Tebow did at Florida, they have a lot of 4-7 yard dump passes and allow their WRs to run after the catch.
McCoy currently employs routes that are all 15-30 yards down field (slight exaggeration).
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 2, 2012 11:36 PM MST up reply actions
here's the thing
When? I mean, look at the down/distance above. They’re almost all long-yardage situations. They converted a couple of the shorter-yardage situations. You had KC in man. Aiming for underneath YAC routes would have been short of the sticks, with a man on them. And, in other, shorter yardage situations, it’s looking like calling run plays was a better bet. I saw two clear examples of Broncos receivers running right into each other on underneath routes, just from not knowing their routes. If the players can’t execute, it doesn’t seem like calling short pass plays is a good thing to try.
It really hurts that we got rid of both Gaffney and Lloyd. Even David Anderson would have helped, I think.
by tunesmith on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
There is a reason
Bmarsh and Lloyd got so many looks…… Seems like an old story in Denver. Our WR core is full almost greats but no true stars. I understand why they let Lloyd go but I wish they hadn’t. DThomas needs to show he was/is a high pick player. Whatever the underneath problems are we need to fix them. It may be routes, I am sure that is some of it but if Tebow were making the quick timing throws then they would still fly. We don’t see him throw timing routes and that is not because the receiver is out of place.
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It really hurts that we got rid of both Gaffney and Lloyd.
THANK YOU for noting what I’ve frequently said. Lloyd is all-pro for a reason: he’s far more aggressive when going for the ball. I’m not sure the notion of sacrificing your body for a catch is something which is teachable like route running. Hopeffully I;m wrong.
BTW, Gaffney and Lloyd went t FL voluntarily during the lockout to develop chemistry with Tebow --assuming they’d be working together during the season.. Both were banished.
Thanks for your time with the great analysis and article, Tune.
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it still is funny for me people saying these things about LLoyd
he was such a timid player going for the ball early in his career… had some of the worst alligator arms I’ve ever seen whenever forced to make a catch in traffic… sure, he’d make the occassional highlight reel, acrobatic, twisting catch… and then he’d totally give up on a route, or have an easy 1st down catch bounce off his hands.
He certainly improved last year.
I miss Gaffney especially...he worked out with TT ALL summer...was a calming influence on team and pretty clutch.
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I have seen...oddities...all year in the route concepts
incongruities between what is happening at the LOS and what is happening downfield. I hesitate to criticize it because it is simple stuff (how could they be messing up passing 101??), but it is no less baffling or easy to accept.
I would love to get some insight into just what they are doing with a lot of these long developing routes and odd route pairings. At one point I had a theory that they were teaching Tebow to read the field in halves, right side first, then left side, with the expectation that he would be scrambling and looking for receivers to his left if the play broke down before he pulled the trigger to his right. It fit another theory I had about how he was being taught to read the safeties pre-snap.
But I don’t know what to think anymore. I can’t get my head around it at all, and I don’t think rewatching will help. I can only hope we win the superbowl so they can have these guys talk about how they outsmarted everyone with their brilliant strategies, lol. And then explain them to us.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 3, 2012 1:20 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This was well said...
I can only hope we win the superbowl so they can have these guys talk about how they outsmarted everyone with their brilliant strategies
My sentiment exactly! haha
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 3, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
I'd vote for that ;)
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
McDaniels would've been much better for his development than McCoy....
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they can voluntarily to it on their own, like Lloyd and Gaff and TT did last year.
I wouldn’t count on the same thing ths year……too many possible personnel changes up in the air.
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Interesting, thanks!
Although ignored is running and passing when the defense expects it.
Also, I am kind of surprised that you didn’t find that Tebow single handedly lost this game, as the author of today’s horse tracks has written recently. Yup, single handedly was the claim.
Question, you write that it eemed as though the defense almost knew the routes that would be run…do you think that maybe Orton could have had a bigger impact on kc prep or sideline help than was claimed by fox and company? Maybe Orton was recognizing things for the d?
I am starting to buy this...
They have probably made a ton of changes in the run game since orton left, but could they really have made that many changes in the passing game.
And would any of efx ever admit that orton actually was a huge help to kc defense?
by TheMascotArmy on Jan 2, 2012 10:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
How many points did Tebow score?
Isn’t that the QB’s job?
If it was Orton you would have blamed it all on him.
So yes, he single-handedly lost this game. He didn’t lead the team to victory.
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that's stupid, Kirk
In a 7-3 game, you could argue that any player single-handedly lost this game. Like whoever didn’t tackle the running back on KC’s touchdown run. Willis McGahee for not breaking that last tackle. You’d argue it’s a team game if Orton were leading the team. It’s time for you to get over the whole Orton/Tebow thing because it just comes across as spiteful when you make points like this.
by tunesmith on Jan 3, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Or you could argue that Tebow's 2 Turnovers lost the game
Or his failures to complete 3rd downs. QB’s get the wins and they are also responsible for the losses. You guys don’t get to use the double standard statements. Just because you are in love with the guy doesn’t mean he does no wrong. After all, he threw for 9,000 yards in College, he should be undefeated right?
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I should stay out but
maybe he just doesn’t want to argue about it anymore than what has already been said.
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Name me one person who said Tebow could do no wrong?
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agree no one actually said that....
…but then there was a whole lot of “yeah, but its not really his fault because XYZ” anytime any minor amount of criticism was directed his way during the win streak. The implication is the same.
If he can do wrong (which we all agree), than folks shouldn’t take it so personally or try to deflect the blame whenever someone points out where he did/does fail consistently.
I think it's a logic fail
in general, and on everyone’s part…
If someone says, “yeah but so and so ran the wrong route”, or whatever, then someone’s ears can easily hear “Tebow can do no wrong”, or even “So it’s not Tebow’s fault”, when that’s not actually what is being said.
It’s the difference between sufficiency and necessity. If so and so also ran the wrong route, it doesn’t mean that Tebow didn’t also run the play badly. It also doesn’t mean that the person bringing up the wrong route is saying that Tebow is blameless.
I think most Tebow defenders around here tend to have the viewpoint of “It’s not ALL Tebow’s fault”, not “It’s not Tebow’s fault at all”. And yes, sometimes a bad WR route can keep a mediocre quarterback throw from being a successful play, even while sometimes an excellent quarterback throw can overcome a crappy WR route.
by tunesmith on Jan 5, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is inconsistent from you KK...
When the team won, and Tebow led some incredible comebacks and had multiple TDs passing & rushing – you never once gave the guy credit (I’ve read your horseshoe thing for months). It was always a WR who was the star, or an RB who was the star, or any number of other players.
But when Tebow has a bad game (along with the rest of the team) and he really only turns the ball over once that mattered, now he single handedly lost the game?
Let’s at least be consistent, you’re better than that.
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH ORTON. We are evaluating the play of the Offense which is more than just the QB, just as it was when Orton was here. It’s not as though the RBs have a lot of Touch Downs this year, 5 total.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 3, 2012 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
What is the rb, wr, and oc job?
This is so silly, I am amazed that you are doubling down on such a dumb statement. Actually, it really isn’t that amazing to me, you are who you are.
by TheMascotArmy on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
I know this is a poor excuse
but that facemask on Tebow probably would have gotten us a touchdown.
granted there should have been other drives that worked too…
Elway on the Offense
Jan. 03, 2012 3:37 p.m. – by Lee Rasizer – Elway: Offense — not just Tebow — needs to improve
Executive VP John Elway said on the team’s weekly podcast the team needs to make obvious improvements in the passing game as it enters Sunday’s wild card game. "And that’s not just one guy," he said. "It’s the whole offense, and it’s the play calling
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
Yep.....Elway must be laughing himself stupid that Mike McCoy is up for a HC job...betting he hopes MM gets the job so they dont have to fire him.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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I wish it was as easy as blaming 1 person for the offensive mess. But its not. There is more than enough blame to go around.
The only thing that really bothers me about Sunday was Tim’s body language, it sucked he looked like he was beat into submission before the end of the first drive. No fire no passion, no nothing…… It sucked and I knew we were screwed then.
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
Right, and that comes from coaching...from making your players think too much...when you take away a guys strength by making him over think you have crueled your players...and thats on COACHING!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Thanks for the analysis although personally I think it’s a little superficial to break down McFox’s playcalling in terms of just pass or run. I think McFox makes their mistake with continuing to attempt to have Tebow run a conventional offense even though he has shown great success with the spread IF he is given the opportunity to run it for the better part of a series.
What I would like to see from our offense against the Steelers?
I think we can really take advantage of an old, beat-up defense coming to our house at altitude if we were to start out running a no-huddle shotgun spread offense for the first few series. I would do this not only to really get them huffing and puffing early in the game, but also to limit the amount of different looks that their defense could give Tebow. Running the no-huddle will keep them in their base defense more than they would like. Plus Tim is simply at his best when he’s running this scheme, as he should be. After all he was the greatest spread offense QB in the history of college football, why is it such a fringe idea for McFox to just stick with what works?
This is a fool’s hope though. I expect to see more of the same conservative play calls. I expect the Steelers to completely embarrass us at home if we do this, possibly even shut us out for the first time in the history of this particular stadium. Therefore I also expect to continue to be frustrated as hell watching my team. I expect to get very drunk. Then I expect to be forced to throw up once I think about how much McFox makes to come up with the worst offensive gameplans imaginable.
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by manbearpig5000000 on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 PM MST reply actions
Good job Tune. I am still furious...sorry. I have been a doubter along time...
To me and its balance and flow; keeping the defense on its toes, and th battle is won early on in the game. McCoy, apart from the NE games has never come out aggressive. He has no feel for the game of football.
Rec’d my friend!
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we disagree on this particular game, b. i think mccoy called a good game for the most part and the players just weren’t executing. that just makes your play calling worse as you get desperate.
overall i do agree with you on the game flows in general though. sometimes this offense reminds me of my golf swing with the hitches and chokes. not a smooth running operation at all.
thanks boydy!
Was especially curious what’d you think of this. I am basically thinking that there are several necessary changes that need to be made for the offense to be strong, with none of them sufficient by themselves.
Can we throw a screen pass?
I love the analysis, but Tebow sets up the screen great, and I never see them anymore. What the hell…
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you don’t throw screens when they are not rushing the passer and are in man to man
by Todd Jewell on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
THANK YOU
People don’t get that screens WILL NOT WORK against the anti-TT defensive schemes. You cannot throw a screen when you have a LB or Safety spy sitting right there… not even considering the relatively tentative rush the edge rushers take to avoid the outside scrambles. Screens against these schemes are way to easy for them to blow up and/or pickoff.
If the CBs are playing man, its also very difficult to set up the smoke routes/outside screens, unless they are giving a huge cushion at the snap.
Slants, quick outs, comebacks, etc. could work… but those get to timing, and TT seemingly struggles in that dept.
by cjfarls on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
in man to man there is a defender assigned to all offensive players who can use the ball [wr / te / rb] — if you clear out the WR’s, then I assume you mean you are intending to use a running back screen.
To use a running back screen effectively you are letting the defenders through, the problem being that the outside rushers are not going full out against us right now and they are not blitzing at all. You also have the person ‘watching’ for Tebow that is staying back in case he runs. That person is a few yards beyond the line keying on Tebow, easily covering for a screen.
The objective of the running back screen is to catch defenders in a blitz or slow down their pass rush. Right now, neither of those are happening because it isn’t required in order to slow down our offense.
Tebow is not throwing to tight coverage, typically, and defenses are taking advantage of that by just holding back and waiting for their pass rush to get there without requiring extra men.
Not quite true Todd...
An RB/TE – escape screen with double pulling Lineman would work just fine against Man-Press coverage with a spy.
Tebow takes the snap, the pocket rolls to the right while the TE on the right escapes to the left flat (or RB) where TT dumps the ball to him. While there weren’t a ton of blitzes against us Sunday, the Defensive Ends are still pressure the QB downfield to collapse the pocket.
You can also run a WR bubble screen with man-coverage especially. Quick pass to the outside receiver and the slot receiver runs upfield and blocks.
by AlwaysRightSometimes on Jan 3, 2012 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
Bubble screen yes --
But that relies on elusiveness of WR after the catch…not sure we have those guys. But I’d still like to see the plays run for timing/rhythm and keeping the D honest.
The escape screen I don’t think works because of the way the pressure encapsulates TT daring him to throw it downfield (if Pitt does the same thing — and by all means they should follow the blueprint at this point).
Instead of an escape screen, it seems short, timing routes are the answer. TT has to be confident enough in reading the D up front to know which guy should be open based on the route and the match up, then throw the ball in rhythm. I’ve seen him do this — know he can do it just fine.
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Wheel routes would be a good idea too....man, we need a good 3rd down back with jets for next season. Would love to see lamichael James and JJ in our back field!
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yes
the tosses looked like good plays. And I don’t know if this vernacular applies to Boydy in Australia, but if the execution wasn’t there, he could call them “tossers” and his post wouldn’t get flagged. :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
Hahaha...we use tossers as well...or toss bags...
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Champ Bailey.
Also...
I read a fan post yesterday about left handed qb’s. If they could add a few plays designed for a lefthanded qb, we would be much better off. If you notice that tims throws to the right(accross his body) are never as nice as the ones to his left.
My uneducated guess is because he does best when throwing on the run.
But they want a prototypical pocket passer.
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Nice write up...
First off…our receivers are not good. Even during the 6 game win streak there were too many dropped passes and blown routes. Second, KC was in “Cover 0” the entire game. We should have been able to run some quick slants with either of our two big receivers (Decker & Thomas) so why didn’t we? I personally think McCoy called a good game but pair up a bad receiving corps with an inexperienced QB being forced out of his comfort zone and you get the last three games. The running game was clicking but KC didn’t have to respect the pass at all so Red Zone D was easy.
But they want a prototypical pocket passer.
There’s a reason the NFL has a prototype. It’s effective.
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by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Jan 3, 2012 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Good breakdown
However my issue with McCoy is the lack of pass plays called early in the game to try and get Tebow and the Recievers in some sort of rhythm rather than trying to break out the air game when we are down late in games.
I’d be interested in seeing an analysis where it is determined if a pass play would have been better called in a situation where the run was called.
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This is excellent - rec'd
Thanks tunesmith – this was interesting and confirmed some of my suspicions – that there’s lots of blame to go around here. I do think a full offseason will do a lot for Tebow/Decker/Thomas, however I’m admittedly concerned that it might not be enough given just HOW bad things have been the last two weeks. Do you feel the same?
I would say
That before, I was optimistic/confident about the offseason. Now, I’m more curious and a little anxious. :-)
I don’t think Demaryius has the personality/character to fight for a catch, other than boxing out well. Decker, maybe, but it seems like he has lost focus. I’ve pretty much given up on Royal, although he’ll probably have a great career if he gets matched up with a top-5 accurate quarterback. I think Tebow will figure out a lot of things but he’ll need a lot of receiving support to do well. A couple of monster tight ends could do it. Tebow plus Gronkowski could basically rampage through the division.
by tunesmith on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
He has his boy on the PS now from Florida...wonder if he gets a start vs PITT...playing with house money...
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Who do we cut to put Ingram on the active roster?
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
Not sure Ingram deserves a spot
He was really a great TE at Florida but had a major knee injury and missed his senior season. I really haven’t heard anything out of him since. If he’s healthy he could probably contribute and take a spot from one of the current TE’s on the roster. Except, he’s more a pass-catcher (or he was, at least) than a blocker, and I don’t know that there’s room on Fox’s roster for a receiving TE type player. So I’m not looking for Ingram to be activated this year. Next year, who knows?
That was my point.
We really haven’t used the TEs at all this year as receivers so I don’t see us taking up an active roster spot for a guy who doesn’t block well and has never caught a pass in the NFL
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
Great write up
Thanks for taking the time and for continuing to comment in the interesting discussion here.
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Great analysis, but, Dumb Choice:
QB draw on 3rd and 9. Just won’t change my opinion on that one. The Broncos are conservative, and we expected it to be that way, but the way they call plays is overly frustrating and predictable for defense. Run, run, pass, punt. Run, run, pass, punt, and if a pass is successful, we simply repeat the pattern. It’s no wonder so many people say our offense can’t be sustained. It’s not because of Tebow, dropped passes, or an inability to run the ball. It’s because our offense is so predictable. We’re going to run until our nose bleeds, and even then, we’ll just run some more and hope that a pass play works.
are you talking about the first drive?
I originally had that in the listing, the 3rd down on the first drive, but it was a called run. However, I thought Tebow made a bad read there. You’ve got Beadles pulling to the outside, and Tebow is being spied. The right thing to do is to follow Beadles, right? Seems like there was a lot of room there. Instead, Tebow ran into the opening vacated by Beadles, and got wrapped up by his spy.
This is what i've been saying
WR’s werent open. This wasnt all on Tebow, he had a bad game but so did McCoy and the WR’s







































