Attention EFX, Smashmouth Free Agent RB Available!
by lobouno on Jan 21, 2012 9:10 AM MST
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PrintIt may be all for naught but January is for sitting before a crackling fire with a warm mug of a favorite drink and doing some mental rehashing of the past Bronco seasons and also doing some "what if" dreaming for the upcoming year.
My thoughts turned to how much a great running game enhanced the Bronco offense. Willis McG brought back respect for the missed McD choice on Knoshon! Kim Constantinesco over at Predominantly Orange
wrote about how Mcgahee and the freshness of his legs for his age may be attributed to his being a compliment to Ray Rice in the Raven backfield.
( http://predominantlyorange.com/2012/01/20/willis-mcgahee-needs-relief-in-broncos-backfield/ )
The article also mentioned the need for McG to have help in churning out heavy ground yardage. The Steelers were nearly caught flatfooted on the pass to D.T. due to the Bronco whole game tendancy to run on first down.
Included in the article was a list of upcoming free agent RBs and one name particularly caught my eye. A five yards at a time RB with three LBs hanging on for the ride. A 1200 yard rusher in 2009 who is being treated like yesterdays soiled laundry by his current team regarding a contract extension. A powerhouse runner who suffered from the Madden curse this past season. I am talking about the guy that McD dumped because he didn't fit into the Josh plan. Yep, non-other than, you guessed it, PEYTON HILLIS will be a free agent soon.
Even if, Timmy T. does not blossom as a pocket passer in 2012, I can envision the Hillis smashmouth running style coupled with the McGahee style (who takes that fraction of a second to look for and quickly see where his avenue into the secondary lies) tearing up and tiring out defenders and setting up new opportunities for those sparingly used deep passes that reap great rewards. The John Fox run, run, run and then run some more game style would fit both McG and the human tank from Arkansas to a successful "T". Mr Hillis makes a living delivering TD's in short yardage Red Zone situations. We certainly need that.
I hope the EFX combine has Mr. Hillis near the top of their list. Can you imagine that duo in the backfield with Timmy at QB/FB. Opposing DC,s would have nightmares.
I am hoping we get to see Peyton Hillis again wearing orange and blue for the Broncos next season.! By the way, he can catch a pass too !
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Really
I would not want to see Peyton Hillis back, he has been nothing but problems for the Browns, if he hasn’t been injured, he has been wining about a contract. We do not need that headache in Denver. I think we need more of a scat back type, infact I wouldn’t mine seeing more of Jeremiah Johnson. We need to spend our offseason finding a productive big tight end, and then work on the defense. We need a upgrade at safety, I would shell out some big bucks for Laron Landry.
by Tomeboy58801 on Jan 21, 2012 9:36 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Not Really!
Yep he did have an issue with management in Cleveland. He came from Denver to the Browns for lineman pay and delivered almost 1200 yards in 2010. Management did not show ANY appreciation by offering a raise. Hillis was the OFFENSE for the Browns in 2010. His agent did not do a good job in handling the situation. The guy is not a me first guy. He loves football and is a team guy. He runs his mouth and says things that are not politically correct. We know that is why Iron Fisted McD would not stand for any criticism. and put Peyton in the McD doghouse after being so high on him during training camp.
I'm not an insider
but I recall stories in Denver that Shanny had some of the same issues with Hillis that the Browns had such as locker room issues, focus and maturity issues. Maybe, maybe not but Hillis is not a difference maker.
If we can get him on the cheap I would say go for it, and if he causes problems they can send him packing. However, I think based on past performance that some team will overpay to get him (the nature of free agency) and it won’t be us.
by brettden on Jan 21, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Good point
Hillis can be great, but he seems to be listening to his agent over his teammates. Not a good sign.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
Payday !
What does it say about Holmgren at Cleveland not willing to pay a top performer? HP, I don’t know where you work but when it comes to issues of bread and butter and a decent place to be and you see other lackluster performers at your work being paid more that what you get after having a top notch year, I think you might also be a little testy! Right?
I'm going off what I have heard this season:
"I’ve never seen anything like it," says one Browns veteran. "Last year, Peyton was such a positive, inspirational force on our team – but now he’s like a different guy. It’s like he’s in a funk that he can’t get out of, and it’s killing us, because we really need him. And we’ve told him that. But we’re at the point where we just don’t know what to do."
Hillis insisted that "there’s never been a problem" with his intra-locker room relationships, but numerous Browns players indicated otherwise. While sympathetic to Hillis’ desire for a new deal – he’s in the final year of his rookie contract and will make $600,000 in 2011 – they believe he has allowed his frustrations surrounding the lack of progress on that front to detract from his focus.
Most conspicuously, Hillis sat out the Sept. 25 victory over the Dolphins after a week-long bout with strep throat, reporting to Cleveland Stadium hours before the game, informing team officials he felt too sick to play and heading home prior to the arrival of most of his teammates. He later said he decided not to play on the advice of his agent, Kennard McGuire, adding to the suspicions of teammates, Browns officials and fans that his contract situation affected his availability.
More recently, Hillis annoyed teammates after joining third-string quarterback Thaddeus Lewis in a conspicuous competition to throw footballs off the crossbar of the Candlestick Park goalposts about 90 minutes before Sunday’s 20-10 defeat to the Niners. Hillis, who had aggravated the hamstring strain in a practice a few days earlier, supposedly was a game-time decision; the spectacle occurred while other Browns players were stretching and engaging in warm-ups; it was captured by CBS TV cameras and discussed on the broadcast.
"It was a bad look," one veteran said, "and it did not sit well with any of us."
Another victim of the “Madden” curse? Peyton Hillis was the latest cover boy for the popular video game.
(Getty Images)
On Monday, Hillis was criticized by former Browns center LeCharles Bentley after missing a scheduled appearance at a Halloween party for the Cleveland Boys and Girls Club. Hillis has since apologized, citing a "miscommunication" with his management.
His miserable week continued when, on Wednesday morning, Hillis was summoned to a meeting room where, to his surprise, he encountered a group of veterans who expressed their concerns about his recent actions and demeanor.
"A few guys tried to talk to him, to make him understand the best way to go about things is to put your head down and do the best you possibly can," said All-Pro tackle Joe Thomas, the team’s best and highest-paid player. "Because if the Browns aren’t going to pay you, some team will break the bank – and either way you need to play hard."
“Show me the money” McGuire is Hillis’ 3rd agent since the end of 2010, by the way. I don’t mean to imply I don’t like Hillis all of a sudden, but he doesn’t seem smart enough to put his head down and – just as his teammates told him – someone will sign him to that contract that he wants. He doesn’t seem willing to play for his team without some guarantee that he’ll be taken care of financially. Sorry Peyton, that’s not how it works. No one forced you to play professional football. You know you can get hurt, so go out there and earn your payday!
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
I read article where his agent urged him to sit out a game when it was time to come off an injury...
Stating that it was a contract year and don’t take a chance on injury…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Hillis to TE?
Why not try and move Hillis to Tight End? (Or maybe more of an H-back role). He can block and catch, and he’s got decent speed for a guy his size. If he was an H-back, he would line up at TE, RB, and FB where we could utilize all his abilities AND help with our TE situation.
The man wants a big payday
and the only way he’ll get it is to play a position he is already well known for, which is RB/FB. Asking him to play somewhat out of position would put him in a new role and diminish his value, which would kill his big payday. That’s not gonna happen.
I understand why you believe he would make a great H-back. I agree and think he would do well in space and has good hands, so he can be used as a big weapon in the passing game, but the only way he will get a new contract he likes is as a RB/FB.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
Some team will pay him
and I think he will produce….until he determines he needs more.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
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Theodore Roosevelt
That could happen
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
If Benson doesn't sign with Cincy
I could see him go there and do well.
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His main issue was a contract in Cleveland..
The only way he would end up in Denver is if he had a contract… so problem solved.
Think I'll pass, as well.
RBs are relatively easy to come by, and Hillis went from a hard-working blue-collar kinda guy to a total prima-donna in a very short time once he became ‘the man’. I don’t think we want to mess with that on our team.
If we can get him on a very low risk contract then maybe entertain it, but I doubt that happens.
Go-Go Gadget Tebow!!!!
Price is Right!
From what I have read in Ohio newspapers, Hillis was not asking for out of line compensation and he would add an aspect that scatback runners don’t deliver on, that,s power running football from inside the five yard line for TD’s.. How many FG,s have the Broncos kicked because they could not push it in from in close?
He was asking for 10 million a year. They offered him 4 and he scoffed at it.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 21, 2012 10:09 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
he is a fullback
and he wants to be paid like a halfback. Not happeneing here, but maybe somewhere. My guess is he ends up on a bad team with money to spend like maybe Dolphins or Bucs or Bills.
As a runner
McGahee has that same bruising style and we have Tebow as well. We need a burner more than we need a bruiser, we’ve got the bruiser back pretty well covered. We have heard a lot about Hillis and his contract dispute with Cleveland. That could very well be blown out of proportion, but where there is smoke, there is usually fire. There was something there to make McD overlook his production to get rid of him. What that was, we may never know. I liked Hillis when he was here, but I don’t like what I have seen and heard coming out of Cleveland this past season. I think we need to pass on Hillis.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
McD was a bit of a cook
but most of the guys he god rid of look like reasonably good to really good moves in hindsight (Cutler – not gonna play, Hillis – pay me more or im hurt, Marshall – crazy)
Very true
We would have been better off if he’d eased into those moves a little more cautiously though. Those guys were all problem children, but the represented the bulk of the offensive talent we had at the time.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Good Coaches!
Problem children for sure! We were not privy to what went on in the locker room. Over time the McD moves of personnel were a mixed bag at most. Other teams got good value for the McD castoffs. A good coach will extract the best performance from whomever he has at skill positions. It might take a benching of a prime player or maybe a symbolic “code red” by his teammates to give the star child a wake up call. Dealing a great player away has to reflect some failure on the coaches part. Cutler allegedly wanted a trade shortly after he met McD.
Other teams got good value?
Marshall – 2 2nd round draft choices and a $49 million contract?
Cutler – 2 1sts, a 3rd and Orton for a 5th and Cutler?
I guess value is in the eye of the beholder. (And he got the extension he was looking for).
Either way with his recent history and the short yardage game we currently have I don’t see the value in signing Hillis, as much as I liked him with the Broncos his 1st year.
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 21, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Very true. McDainels got a lot of good value for trading those players.
However, it would have been nice if he didn’t trade away the 1st round pick in 2010. Would have had two first round picks and two seconds.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 21, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
Absolutely agree tider
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 21, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
True
Any value we got from those trades were blown in the draft. He wasted a lot of that value by constantly not sticking to his draft board and “reaching” for system players. His biggest weakness on draft day was impatience :) A classic sign of a young HC.
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
Hillis' value contract
is up. I can honestly say though that if I was as underpaid as he was this year after last year doing so well I might have a bad attitude as well. Same with when Marshall did it.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
by Digger24 on Jan 21, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed... we need a true home run threat, as opposed to yet another bruiser
I still like Hillis, and I won’t complain if he gets resigned, but we need some more offensive / team speed. Jeremiah Johnson, despite all the hoopla, didn’t really do jack squat. We can and will do better. Also, I pray we move in another direction from Lance Ball. Not a bad 3rd/4th guy, or a special teamer, but we need some talent instead.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
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both?
we need a couple burners—receiver and RB—AND another bruiser. two or three bruisers at mile high would absolutely kill the opposition. (i’m including tebow in the bruiser dept. here).
so yeah, i’d say yes to everything. but you’re right, we need more speed. not just at RB but WR and defense too. speed. lots please.
agreed
that’s why I said offensive / team speed. The Josh McDaniels days left us with very little team speed (especially defensively). DT is a big, fast target, but Knowshon, Decker, a lot of our young team serve other roles than blazers. But yes… I agree, we need to improve team speed everywhere. Von Miller was a great start… as was Julius Thomas… but Rahim Moore hasn’t shown his yet. I pray we get 2nd round production out of him next year. I hope he isn’t a bust. He struggled so badly, it’s hard to say he won’t be.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 21, 2012 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Rahim just needs to get his head straight
I think the fine he got smacked with in the preseason had him second guessing his play. Thats not a good thing when you are on the last line of defense. I hope the offseason can get him back into shape mentally
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
I agree CH
And he also said he felt like he “died” when he had the head injury…that’s got to play on your mind when your job is to hit people.
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 21, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
The NFL has been
more than he can handle?
Great. :(
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
moreno and royal.
those two guys are examples of what we don’t need. both nice guys and all, but injury prone and worse, ’tweeners. neither fit into the bruiser or burner categories—they just are. no more of that, please. we need either world track speed or smash mouth. if you get both in the same package, great, but we can definitely find guys with one or the other in the off season.
Emmitt Smith
was not a burner or a bruiser, but he had patience, vision, and an O-Line (wink) like no other. Sometimes speed / strength doesn’t matter, but most times it does. Hell, our very own TD didn’t exactly have power and jets in spades. He was just good at everything – not great at anything… and just like Emmitt… he could read a D, and find a hole like few do. I can’t be sure, but I heard TD’s O-Line was pretty darn good as well (wink again). ;-)
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Thats a good point, Pale
A good offensive line can do wonders. The Orange Hush were a mean and nasty bunch. We had receivers that took great pride in blocking in the run game. Our backs also took great pleasure in pass blocking. TD would have a great game rushing the ball, but kick himself for missing a blocking assignment. That group was special, very unselfish. I seen some of that with this team and I hope it is something that continues to build.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
i’m probably biased but i think TD was actually a top notch bulldozer. he ran people over with the best of ‘em. he also seemed (i don’t even want to try to back this up) to have better game speed than someone like moreno. don’t know what it was about TD but when he broke in the open DBs couldn’t seem to catch up.
in any case, yeah, i’d take another one of him. lets take two while we’re at the store…
I think TD managed to get into the open
A lot more because that line was so good at getting to the second level. TD looked like a burner because he had great vision and knew when to hit the hole. He never second guessed his blocks, when a crease opened up, he was through it.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
I think what he's saying though
is when TD hit the 2nd level he seemed to be able to break it whereas Moreno never does. Moreno does not have, or maybe just doesn’t use, a second gear. He always looks like he should be able to break one and never does. That and could you ever imagine Moreno going in as a decoy when he has a migrane? Dude should be in the HOF for that alone.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
TD had a way of finding the endzone, that is for certain
I think that is because he knew to get himself going north and south as quickly as possible. He didn’t look to get to the sideline, he looked to get as far upfield as he could on every run. Every move was decisive and deliberate with TD. Moreno in contrast has happy feet; he spends more time trying to break the defense down then taking what he can get.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
TD was more of a Walter Payton
while Moreno tries to be like Barry Sanders. :)
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Yessir
Wish we still had Bobby Turner on staff!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Me too.
That leads me elsewhere. Many have Shanny trading up to get G3. Including me. What if he doesn’t? What if he stays put and Trent Richardson falls to him? Perfect fit. Then he could get Ryan Tannehill in the 2nd.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Depends on how stubborn
Shanny is on Beck and Grossman. The funny thing is, he benched Plummer and those two couldn’t carry his jock.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Shanny is not sold
on Beck or Grossman. I guarantee it. If he had to he’d make due again with them though. He has to love having Snyder’s money to play with.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Like you
I think he trades up. Rirchardsson is probably tempting, but a high round back is not the shanny way. Helu is going to be big if they can get some consistency out of the other half of the offense. I’d look for them to go after a QB and a deep threat.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
He trades up
a lot. It’s like a fix to him, I swear.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
When it comes to big name FAs
I am way more interested in Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, and Marshawn Lynch. Paired with McGahee, Moreno, and Johnson (no more Ball) the Denver backfield would have several different flavors of backs who could excel in unique situations that fit their skillsets the best. Forte’s health status would be my only concern from an injury standpoint and Rice’s mileage to a lesser extent.
I wonder if EFX are willing to spend what is necessary to get one of them. Conventional wisdom says RBs are a dime a dozen and you can get good ones from later rounds in the draft or even UDFAs.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
I doubt we spend big FA $ on a RB
I expect we resign Willis, maybe bring in another guy who is either unproven (like Battle from KC) or has some miles on the tires already (like Ward is he with NYG?). The rest of the group will be what we got (Ball, Johnson, Fannin, Moreno) and rookie or rookies.
The FA RB is too risky, especially when they have 4-5 #1 back miles on them. Not a lot of guys can give a team 10 years of 200+ carries a season.
Here's hoping Mario Fannin channels his inner Arian Foster in 2012
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
That would be huge Horsepower
We shall see in TC
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 21, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
I think only two of that bunch will likely hit the open market
Forte depending on his injury status and Grant. Forte is a better fit, if he is healthy. Lynch and Rice represent too much of their team’s offense, respectively. Forte is in that same boat unless Chicago can land some Oline and receiver talent. Of the bunch, Grant is the one most likely to be available and he has a history of being injured.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
You're probably right
Forte would be the best option, but I doubt the Bears will let him go and may tag him for 2012. Grant could easily join Moreno on IR, so sticking with the horses we know and adding competition from UDFAs may be the best recipe.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
They'll probably tag Forte
In light of his injury, but who knows? Marshawn Lynch would be a good fit but I doubt he goes anywhere. Most of us have forgot about Mario Fannin as noted above. I’d like to see what he has to offer after an impressive showing in camp.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
No to Ryan Grant please
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 21, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
I'd like to have Ryan Grant...
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 21, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
I thought you were talking about Marshawn Lynch
either would be great to me. I literally loved Hillis when he was a bronco. Come back Peyton
Playoffs!?!? Playoffs!?!? Don't talk about Playoffs!! Playoffs?!?!
I guess I will chime in on this.
We did talk about it a couple times already though. hereYou must have missed those.
The ship has sailed. I would love it if we STILL had him, but to pay him now in his 2nd contract, no. He’s not coming back to Denver. On paper it looks like a good idea, but it’s not. No matter what your Ohio newpapaers have said he was playing for his rookie contract and should’ve got an extension after last year. He didn’t and handled it much like Brandon Marshall did. Now if he really does love Cleveland as much as he says he does he will have to sign a contract for less than some other foolish team (Wash.) might pay. My guess is money wins and he leaves Clev. for somewhere that will give him a 4 year deal at the 4 mil/yr he was offered in Clev., but with a bigger signing bonus. Maybe he is being truthful and does want to stay in Cleveland. BM said he wanted to stay in Denver too.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
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I think the character issues coming out about Hillis are more damning than anything else
Oh and he hasn’t looked the same since his “injury.” A real one year wonder.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Here you go max...
So far 2011 has been no walk in the park for Hillis. He is averaging only 3.5 yards per carry, and has a mere two touchdowns scored in four games. Recently he re-aggravated a hamstring injury which is supposed to cost him 2 games after already missing one earlier in the season.
Hillis has also had issues with his image as there was a report that Hillis missed the game vs the Dolphins because his agent told him to because he is in a contract year. This led to rumblings that Hillis was soft and that he should have played the game. His character took another hit as he apparently missed a charity appearance for what most considered a pretty weak excuse.
Hillis is in a contract year which has caused distractions to the Browns, who have reportedly now said they are willing to let him walk at seasons end. Not exactly the follow-up year Hillis wanted.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
by bfree2bronc on Jan 21, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
Exactly, I liked Hillis before I found out his personality
And his work habits, but not really a fan anymore.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jan 21, 2012 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
It's hard to tell where this young man's head is at...
He looking for a big payday and I don’t think that it will happen. I will be surprised if it does.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Peyton Hillis' lackluster season was a result of a nagging left hamstring injury or was there more to the story than what we're told?
Peyton had a breakout year in 2010 going to a new team with a fresh start and the excitement and expectations high. He put up some impressive numbers rushing for 1,117 yds, 61 receptions for 477 yds and 2 TDs to add to his 11 rushing TDs. This last seasonwith the whole team struggling to finish games on any note Peyton’s rushing yards were cut nearly in half and his receiving production was 1/3 of the prior season. I remember reading where Peyton was frustrated because he tried to get back on the practice field only to feel the nagging hammy pulling at his leg and limiting his mobility. It’s never a good idea to have your production output cut in half especially in a free agency year. Teams around the league start forming all kinds of scenarios of why he didn’t perform, and usually it’s never about the injury, but something rooted deeper inside the players head. Xanders stressed at the departing presser that they were going to be “agressive” and “smart” in free agency and will probably vocus more on the draft to rebuild the team. He also talked about “value” players and to me those are the ones like Hillis who have shown they can play and had a bad year. But Xanders knows Hillis more than anyone on the Broncos staff having dealt with him when he was here. IMO, I don’t think we will see Peyton on our roster ever again, that would only be wishful thinking for some…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Also Hillis has a bad case of the fumbles. He lead the league in fumbles in 2010 and was the reason why he was benched in Denver.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 21, 2012 9:52 PM MST up reply actions
Truth.
Fumbles kept him out of the line-up. Big problem in the locker room, sub standard blocker, injury prone, prima donna who wants big bucks… Why would we want him?
by maverick451 on Jan 23, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
Mike Tolbert
if he does hit free agency. He’ll do the same thing for a lot less money.
And not near as many issues
Michael Bush would be a nice pick up as well and they’re both on rival teams!
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I think he stays in SD
Unless they draft another RB. Though if he is let go, he would be a solid addition. Same mentality for Bush, they won’t let him go unless they draft another RB since he played well as a starter during McFadden’s injury, and is even better as a #2 RB.
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by Topher Doll on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
I think Mike is a free agent and he can make his own mind up whether he wants to explore the possibilities...
I mean would you want to play with an organization that refuses to ash-can the GM knowing where he has lead the team? I wouldn’t.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Tolbert can obviously go where he wants
But I doubt he does, he knows he’ll get carries and TD’s in SD and that they will likely pay him well. Add in him coming to Denver he would have to know his role would be smaller. With a tougher back already in McGahee and Tebow is the RZ weapon of choice, so he’d be limited in his key areas.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
True. However I can see him going some where else though and be yet another RB the chargers couldn't hold on to.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 21, 2012 9:51 PM MST up reply actions
Could be true
I just don’t see that team being Denver.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I would love Hillis to come back here
What I would love to see is that Hillis used out of the backfield as a pass catching threat also, I don’t see him as a primary back though. I think there is alot of hate from people here that think Hillis somehow screwed McD and look for anything to justify that trade to support their boy in McD. He wanted a new contract, I can’t blame the dude, I would too, but if Hillis wants to come back here and the price is right, I am all for bringing hm back. It amazes me that people call him a prima dona yet a guy like B Lloyd who forced a trade to get out of here after Tebow became the QB and has said publicly that he would rather play on a crappy team like the Rams and get 80 balls and a 1000 yards than be part of a playoff team where he wouldn’t get as many balls, and people somehow think he was a great team guy here.
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EFX would have to lose their gosh darn minds to bring in Hillis
He was offered $4M and asked for $10M. Even if after testing the market he settles for less than $4M, I don’t see our FO going after him.
After the stuff he pulled in Cleveland this season, he appears to be a mindless diva, listening to an agent who’s completely out of touch with reality.
PS After what he said about Tebow throwing the ball all over the place, I don’t think Brandon Lloyd was a great team guy. Besides, Lloyd would not have performed well in Denver, since WRs are asked to assist in the running game by blocking down the field. He’s also a FA now, which means Denver would’ve had to pay him more than what he could contribute to this new offense. In other words, if he had stayed on the team, EFX would have to overpay to extend him.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
Hillis?
He did some great stuff in 08 as a fill in for injuries. Earned himself a year on the bench and a trade. Ran like a mad man for a season, then listened to his agent about whether to play with an injury and has been a cancer for the team.
No thanks. I don’t think the good has shown it will outweigh the bad.
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It was disappointing. I thought for sure he'd be the next Mike Alstott.
It’s a shame. It would be nice to have a guy like that with a pass happy league like today.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 21, 2012 9:49 PM MST up reply actions
only way we should consider hillis
would be on a 1 year, incentive-ladden contract that gives him the option to show he deserves something more substantial. Ours is not a finesse offense, by adding him we would have 3 different types of runners for McCoy to use on the 3 downs before the punt, really mix things up.
by coloradoSportsguy on Jan 21, 2012 3:21 PM MST reply actions
Building a team
Reported elsewhere: Elway knows that to build a team long term, the draft is the way to go. True, add some free agents where there is value (McGahee), but if we’re talking long term, why wouldn’t the Broncos look to the draft on this one? We had the top rushing team in the NFL with McGahee, Ball, and Johnson. If Moreno comes back, he needs to be the back that gets the ball in space. He simply doesn’t have McGahee’s power through the line, but is great in the open field. With so many holes to fill on defense, the focus should be there and not on bringing in a FA that has had “issues” in the locker room.
MARSHAWN LUNCH
That is all
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
by Teboner on Jan 22, 2012 8:48 AM MST via mobile reply actions
He has had plenty
of off field issues regarding the law, as well as locker room problems. We have done a good job of getting rid of players like that why would we want to add them back?
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Dude, I clearly said Marshawn Lunch, not Lynch.
lol jk. But seriously, I wasnt aware he was a trouble player. All I know is the man runs hard and loves skittles.
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
No doubt he is a hard runner
and has talent. But he has already had a 3 game suspension for pleading guilty to gun charges in LA (2009). Not very appealing after that fact :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
That WAS 3 years ago....
No lee-way?
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
theres more than just one incident :)
On January 25, 2007, Lynch was accused of sexual assault. Charges dropped.
During June 2008, Lynch was investigated for his involvement in a hit and run accident. Plead guilty to lesser charge…..
2009 Gun charges, and caught with weed.
Lynch was accused of stealing $20 from the wife of a Buffalo police officer in a local TGI Friday’s on December 7, 2009. A complaint was filed against him the next day but no charges were ever filed.
Where ther is smoke there is fire :) No thanks, he is just like BM ….. a parking ticket away from being suspended again :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
20 bucks? Really? Dude makes like 7 figures or more. How pathetic
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I bet you that accusation is false (as Disturbed put, no charges were even filed)
You are right, he makes 7 figures… he would not steal 20 bucks. I guarantee you that a high percentage of petty thefts and abuse/assault charges against rich athletes are BS. People just trying to get some money out of rich dudes.
2011 was just the tip
They say the cool is all over me..
No, Thank You
Get an inexpensive veteran and/or draft a running back in the later rounds. No need for Hillis or to break the bank for a running back.
Three out of the four Broncos losses after Tebow took over in 2011 were blow outs, as was the last game against the Patriots last weekend in Foxboro, which ended our post season.
We can always shore up the offense, and although we were better on defense at times in 2011, the problems there are still getting us killed.
Hillis has had his share of problems
and I can completely see why the Browns were hesitant in his contract issues. In his short career he has already had injury problems, and with his style of running they will only continue.
Then to compound the problems with this concern of the Browns he turns into a locker room cancer. Not a good sign, or a smart move from a young guy. He did himself no favors in his “business” dealings with the Browns and allowed that to interfere with the “football” side of things. Ask any smart veteran and you will learn that to persevere in this league you MUST keep both aspects separate, and not allow them to affect either one. Especially DURING a season. That is what off seasons are for, the “business” side of things. During the season is should be about nothing but “FOOTBALL”! Sad to see such a quality talent go to waste, but he brought all this upon himself and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is “black balled” and is out of the NFL completely in the next 2 years.
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
Hillis would be great
to have back. It is way to early in his career though to bury his pride to come back to Denver.
Tolbert on the other hand would be a great add.
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