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Offseason needs

I been looking at a lot of the chatter both here and elsewhere early on in this off season and there’s no doubt that there are many different opinions about what needs to be done for this team to take the next step. Right now this is a good team, and the deference between a good team and elite team can often only be one or two pieces. As much as I love mock drafts, this early on they’re really just an expression of what you feel the team’s needs are. Let’s be honest, how many people even had Von Miller on their radar this time last year. So instead of going through all that I’m going to try to take a position by position look at the players we already have to examine where our needs are.

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Offense – There should be a lot of optimism about this group forward whether you like Tebow or not. This is a pretty young group that will only get better with time. Six of the most important pieces are rookies or second year guys with a good mix of players just entering their prime. The "old" guy of the group is the 29 year old Chris Kuper.

QB – Tebow is our only real quarterback signed past this year. So no matter what you think this is an area of need. What’s needed is to first go look for a prototypical veteran who can help teach Tebow the ins and out of the NFL game. Then let’s go find a young guy with a similar skill set . There are tons of good primarily running quarterbacks out there because they don’t play the NFL style, there has to be one sitting on the couch waiting for a phone call.

HB – When our offensive line is clicking any solid back can have a huge day. I’m all for picking up another horse for the stable but I don’t think we should reach just because we think we have to get a stud to be a run first team. If value falls to us, then let’s pull the trigger, if not I wouldn’t be overly concerned. We should give Moreno one more year to hit his stride, even if his role is only that of a third down back then that’s still splitting the load and better than wasting a draft pick.

FB – If we’re going to run the ball so much then lets go get a good dual threat fullback. This is a position that should probably be considered more important to us than any other team. No more converted linebackers or tight ends lining up back there please. A good fullback is like a twelve player on the field, an extra receiver and an extra lineman.

TE – Should be considered one of our biggest needs. We need someone who can be a match up nightmare in the middle. The new trend is having two dominant pass catching tight ends, we don’t even have one. Look at what New England and Carolina has done. I think the broncos have to strongly consider taking Dwayne Allen in the late first round. The 6’4" 255lb tight end from Clemson is an elite prospect that could be a safety net for Tebow while being a force in the running game.

O Line – We potentially have the pieces of an elite O line for the next 5 or 6 years. Depth can never hurt but were better off finding veterans who can fill in if there’s an injury rather than drafting someone who would need to be developed.

WR – Contrary to many people’s opinions, I don’t see major need here. Decker and Thomas have both dominated games at times and are only second year players. They’re on their way to developing into very good players. Royal is versatile and find a way to make a contribution. We’re not going to be doing that many five wide sets. If there was a big physical guy that could be developed, so be it, otherwise let’s give this group time to mature and develop chemistry.

Defense – This group was dominant at time and then suspect at others. There are a lot of good young pieces but a few more are needed if the goal is to be an elite defense.

DE – Are starters are set for the next half decade. Dumervil is an animal and will only be better next season when he’s healthy. Ayers has proven to be a reliable run stuffer and is slowly but surely developing some pass rush.

DT – The quality of play we got out of our DTs surprised everyone this season. We need to make an effort to bring back what we already got and add even more offseason. With Miller and Dumervil coming off the edges, if an elite presence can be added up the middle to blow up the pocket, where are opposing quarterbacks going to go.

OLB – Another area where our starters are set for the foreseeable future. Miller and Williams are both extremely talented players. We should also try to resign the depth we already have.

MLB – This may be our biggest need, almost every great defense has an elite linebacker up the middle to clean up and rack up the tackles. Joe Mays is ok but just not good enough if we’re trying to build an elite defense. If the value is on the outside and we have to slide DJ Williams here, then that’s just as good. If we were to go a combination of DT and MLB with our top two picks it would go really far in enhancing this defense.

CB – This is the one area where I expect to hear the most complaints. I simply don’t see this as a major need yet. Champ was still champ and he has at least another couple years of elite play as a corner. I know Goodman has lost a step and is definitely on his way out, but I think his replacement is on the roster. Chris Harris was just incredible this season and let’s please not forget about Syd'Quan Thompson who missed this season with an injury. The only way I could see going cornerback early is if the plan is to move Champ to safety like he’s eluded he’s wanted to do in the past. If we can lure one of the top free agents I wouldn’t hate it.

S – People should relax here, we just drafted two guys here last year. Quinton Carter played well, but rookies get victimized by elite QB in the NFL, it’s going to happen. Don’t jump to give up on Rahim Moore either, we drafted him in the second round because we liked his talent. He didn’t lose it in a year, give him time to adjust to the pro game. That said I don’t want to see the pair as our starting safeties next year either. If Dawkins retires, let’s go out and find a veteran who can lead the group and mentor these kids.

I hope you guys enjoyed reading, let me know what you guys think.

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I hate all your ideas.

Actually, I don’t. But I really disagree with this:

We should give Moreno one more year to hit his stride

Moreno can’t stay healthy and he can’t play when he is. Moreno needs to go and soon, but I’m not sure how that should happen. Ball’s only good for a flash or two per game. The trouble is, he usually offsets that lone flash with a crucial drop. He’s not elusive at all. JJ’s impressed me, but why can’t he supplant Ball?

So all we have is McGahee and…well, if they were a 50’s rock band, they’d be called “Willis and the Easily Replaced.” We need a starter here.

I don’t think FB is a priority. And, although Ayers improved, I’m reluctant to christen him the starter for the next decade.

Regarding your view on the TEs, I’m not sure what we have here. McCoy didn’t use them much as receivers, whether that’s a commentary on their skills or a reflection of some reluctance to leverage TEs in the passing game, I don’t know. Regardless, I just don’t see this as a priority.

To me, we need a starting RB, a DT, more CBs and a MLB.

Although we disagree on lots of stuff, I liked your post.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 22, 2012 2:30 PM MST reply actions  

I just don't see a starting running back out there that we'll have any chance at....

Moreno has talent, I’m hoping he’s just getting all his injuries out of the way early. Watch what baltimores fullback does for ray rice in this game, we need some of that. And lets be honest a good day one starter at fullback is a 5th or 6th round pick. Also I don’t dislike our TEs, their solid but nothing special. I understand the argument for a running back, my view is just approaching the issue in a different way. A good lead blocker and a good tight end who being out there doesn’t give away that were running it.

by greubsny on Jan 22, 2012 3:30 PM MST reply actions  

Cue the Lamar Miller comments.

Lamar Miller could start for us right now. He can walk on water. He can be in two places at once. Lamar Miller could remake the entire Star Wars series without a single complaint from asinsoin. Need someone to screw in a light bulb by himself? Lamar Miller can do it.

Okay…enough of that. Lamar Miller might be available when we pick. I have a feeling he’s going to climb draft boards and eventually, you’ll hear him being mentioned in the same breath as – dare I say it – Trent Richardson!

However, if this doesn’t happen, and he’s available when we pick, I’ll go full ape scat if we don’t pick him. Dude is special.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 22, 2012 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

How about Chris Polk in the 2nd? Mmm?

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 22, 2012 7:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't ask me to endorse Chris Polk.

I think he sucks. And will be a bust. I understand my opinion is unusual; but that’s what I think.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 22, 2012 7:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I hear you and agree, if EFX take Lamar Miller in the 1st then I feel they think he is the BPA.

I just don’t see them doing that and not sure if Fox ever drafted a RB in the first? I looked it up once, but I’ve forgotten. I think he has drafted them in the 2nd-3rd though.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 22, 2012 11:08 PM MST up reply actions  

No on miller

From what I see he is completely overrated. He has speed and is successful on the edge and that is it. David Wilson in the second round is a much better value. Fast and shifty and I have seen him have success running up the gut.

by jshaw546 on Jan 22, 2012 9:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with nearly everything in this post, especially where it regards the FB and TE positions.

There are two areas that I disagree. The first is Moreno. He is a bust, plain and simple. He doesn’t have the speed to break long runs, he doesn’t have the power to run between the tackles and he is injury prone. The one thing he does well is catch passes out of the backfield, which basically makes him a poor man’s Darren Sproles, but without the breakaway speed.

The one other area is WR. I think we need at least one more playmaker there, maybe two. I will grant that Thomas and Decker are both good with lots of upside, but to have a really effective passing game in today’s NFL you need to have at least three, maybe four, good WR’s. And Royal is not a good enough receiver to cut it. He is excellent in the return game, but he is very disappointing as a WR. And I just don’t feel like Matt Willis is going to be a major contributor at this level. So IMO we need to get at least one more good WR in here.

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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 22, 2012 4:33 PM MST reply actions  

I disagree that we are set at DE. We only have one true starter at DE. Dumervil is a lock but Ayers is a rotational player.

We need a player opposite Doom who can generate at least 7 sacks a season or more. That won’t be Ayers.

DT is a huge need as well. We have good depth there but no true starters (except possibly bunkley). We need a guy who commands double teams and who can collapse the pocket in the middle.

I also agree that MLB is one of our biggest needs and hopefully we can bring in FA Dan Connor to compete with Irving for the spot.

CB is a need but not one of the biggest. A consistent pass rush will improve this position. So will the health of Squid and Vaughn.

TE is a need but not to draft IMO. I’m fine if we draft Allen but I think it will have made the 2 picks we used on TEs last year a waste. I just think the guys we drafted are very raw. Virgil has become quite a decent blocker, now we just need him to catch some passes. The lack of TE usage may also be play calling and Tebow not checking down.

I still think we need a top tier RB and a deep threat WR. Fox has tended to look to the first round for RB and he may do so again. I wouldn’t be surprised. I’d rather bring in a young FA like Bush but who knows what they’ll do. I would love to draft a speedy tall WR to stretch the field. I love DT and Decker but I think Deck is purely a possession WR who could kill from the slot. A Malcolm Floyd type opposite DT would be great.

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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 22, 2012 4:33 PM MST reply actions  

Everyone loves Dan Connor.

It makes perfect sense and seems likely, given Fox’s history with him.

Doesn’t it seem like we should be able to monetize this notion? Is there someway for us to predict this outcome and make money off it? Surely, the intertubes contain a way…

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 22, 2012 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah ayers is average

Lets go big and sign Mario Williams. Oh wait, he would cost too much money

by jshaw546 on Jan 22, 2012 9:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

You pretty much say you like where we stand at most positions.

You list QB, FB, TE, DT and MLB as weakest spots.
Sorry but in all actuality we are still very defunct of talent at many positions. We overachieved this year and with much of the same talent as you request we will not make the playoffs next year.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 22, 2012 5:08 PM MST reply actions  

You did a great job of making your post readable greubsny.

I want to say one thing though to you and everyone else who has a post in mind to either move DJ to MLB or trade him. WHY? He is one of the best WLB in the NFL. Woodyard could not do his job half as good (OK well maybe half).
Aside from that and you drafting another TE it isn’t to bad.

Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 AM MST up reply actions  

greunsby you just contridicted yourself...
With Miller and Dumervil coming off the edges, if an elite presence can be added up the middle to blow up the pocket, where are opposing quarterbacks going to go.

OLB – Another area where our starters are set for the foreseeable future. Miller and Williams are both extremely talented players. We should also try to resign the depth we already have.

I get that Von Miller played primarily on the LOS as a DE, but his position is at SOLB like you said. Miller was all we had with the discrepancies of Ayers as a pass rusher. He (Ayers) doesn’t have the goods to be a pass rushing DE even with 5 sacks this year, most of those were caused by VonDoom’s pressure. To rate Ayers’ pass rushing skills I would rate him a 3-4 on a scale of 1-10. Do you think that’s what John Fox wants moving forward? We were in nickle and dime for most defensive downs as a result of Miller playing up on the line out of his position. That shouldn’t be., but what was Fox to do when Miller’s pass coverage skills were lacking and Derrick Harvey’s DE play was disappointing? Get the picture now? They used Miller at DE out of necessity instead of just wanting him to play up there. Even John Elway knows what it takes to build a DLIne that will be great, he talked about it. John Fox said at his closing presser that defensive pass pressure is a must if the defense is going to succeed. I really think this (Left Defensive End) will be addressed in the draft or Free Agency. This is one of the priorities that they might spend a little money on.

The safety position is where we need a veteran’s presence…Look for that guy in FA as well. CB in the draft Xs 2imo. G/C in draft. RB maybe in the 2nd – 3rd rd or FA. QB draft 5th rd. WR UDFA. Sign Prater. Either e-sign Royal or find one of those Sproles guys in the draft…(Joe Adms, Rainey or Rainey).

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 22, 2012 7:10 PM MST reply actions  

TE is not my call

I think we have a better shot with the TE we have on the roster than shooting for one in the draft. I don’t know if the Clemson guy is someone we can expect to come right in and contribute at a high level from day one. Regardless of the position, that #1 pick really needs to be a starter. I don’t see that happening at TE.

by brettden on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 PM MST reply actions  

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