Mike McCoy Fan Vote - Stay or Go

It seems that the perception for keeping McCoy isn’t so much his playcalling or game planning of 2011, but the potential of having a full offseason with Tebow to imrove.

But I’m not going to complain much when he stays. I really feel like he didn’t make adjustments very well. You mentioned the lack of screen passes (not just NE, but almost every game), I also wonder why we don’t send Tebow up the gut more on 3rd or 4th and short. These seem like very elementary issues to me and I can’t understand how an OC would justify this.

At the end of the day I’m a stupid fan and probably am not intelligent enough to understand, but these seem like obvious plays that need to be implemented.

I’m also tired of hearing about how great a job McCoy and Fox did designing an entirely new offense around Tebow in the middle of the season. Any coach worth a high school contract could’ve made some basic adjustments and implemented an option read. I’m with agent007 above that this offense wasn’t designed to succeed greatly with Tebow, but to limit mistakes.

I’m not anti-Fox, or anti-McCoy (or at least not strongly anti-McCoy). They took a 4-12 team and turned them into a playoff team. That’s impressive. I guess it all boils down to this; I don’t dislike Mccoy, but I haven’t seen anything that makes me think, ‘this guy’s a great OC, we better hang onto him!‘. I think there’s better out there, but am okay giving him some more time. Just like Tebow, he’s young.

I would be up in arms if my team was considering him for a HC position.

he wont sign a one year deal so if he stays he will probably stay for a while. I think if we can not get someone who can work with QB/WR Tandems then we need to keep McCoy

All the other teams in the NFL saw how many wonderful passing opportunities we had this season. Who cares if we run on 1st 2nd and 3rd down for 8 consecutive drives? We set up one of the best defenses, and a hall of fame defensive mind, using that strategy and it won us a playoff game. We lulled a great corner in KC, and another elite defensive mind, to sleep with that philosophy and won a game.

I watched several of the games we lost, and it wasn’t a pep talk moment when John told Tim to pull the trigger. He saw what anyone watching the game on tv saw, receivers wide open all over the field. To me that is play design combined with play calling throughout the game.

My version of reality is this: if we improve our defense by a notch or two (more consistent pash rush from front four, and better play from the MLB position) then we will likely need to score 15 – 20 points per game to be an 8-10 win team. But that is dependant on our passing game taking advantage of what our running game leverages for us. Don’t get me wrong, I love Tebow, and I think he is great, but if he doesn’t pull the trigger more often, and hit open guys with more regularity, Denver fans will get antsy.

but seriously… Dude… He can’t run it on first down every single time. It was getting so predictable that it felt like the Broncos were playing three down football…

J

I think McCoy’s strengths are more in the planning department than the in-game play-calling department. He’ll probably get better at play-calling as time goes on. I guess I’m lukewarm-to-positive on him staying another season. Particularly because once I really took one of the games apart to analyze it, his play-calling didn’t look as bad as it did during the game. We really do have some lousy execution happening on the offensive side of the ball.

I posted these as a reply above, but wanted to get a reply to the post on record.

He gets another year, and that’s what he should be offered contract-wise. Here are things I want to see improvement in:

No such thing as a philosophy of “successful 3 and out”.
Spread the damn field…it works.
Use QB sneaks on 1 yard plays.
Make adjustments early in the game (and keep making them) instead of at halftime/Q4.
Use the freakin TE’s in short patterns….goes back to point 2.
Don’t punt when inside Prater’s range….ever!
I could go on, but…..

In short, McCoy has as much improving to do as TT does this year.

although the last time that actually happened, the results were less than optimal (Dennison/Slowik)

people who know more about football really liked him. The GM of the Raiders came from the Packers and shouldn’t be laughed at like Al was towards the end. Hes a still relevent football mind.
The Fins have talent, need a QB. They saw the work this year and said that man has the qualities we wants, but he fell to another Packer (the new Patriots of NFL frontoffice groomers?).
And as for the spread option, we ran out of NFL quality WR (no Gaff and Lloyd)
Screens, remember when everyone screemed at McD for calling to many? And I still maintain its hard to screen when teams aren’t worried about your passing game and don’t blitz much. NE blizted 5 guys with stunts up Honstiens who they cut and knew his weeknesses very well.
TT didn’t throw short passes very well. They require timing and TT has a nice deep ball but as the “Pull the Trigger” comment suggest he holds the ball way to long and caused alot of sacks. Of course he escaped several others.
McCoy did alot of good. He also protected the young QB. Don’t put him situations that he struggled with. Better to have a young angry QB who feels he wasn’t given a chance then a QB who has experienced alot of failure. This model worked great for Brady as our friends at the Pats SBN site pointed out repeatedly to us.

but ONLY because sometimes consistency from season to season helps a team more than not… Having a gameplan put in place to build around a players tendencies and strengths should help the team out a lot….

Lot’s of shoulda, coulda, woulda…

I still do not understand how we don’t run screen’s against an aggressive blitzing team, and how we don’t run intermediate and short safety routes to help out a developing talent at QB, these routes would also help out our developing talent at WR and RB and TE. Our offense this past season was predictable and ultimately the threat of Tebow running the ball or breaking the pocket was directly responsible for several big plays and wins.

I guess my vote was purely optimistic that McCoy can develop his abilities in the offseason, just like we all hope Tebow can.

These guys are all professionals and I think they probably adapt to changes better than we think. If there are new coaches, they’ll have off season mini camps, training camp, and pre-season to adjust to the changes. Maybe the continuity thing is more of an excuse that fans like to throw around more than anything in reality.

Let him, Tebow and the rest of the offense have a full year and not have to adjust on the fly like last as Tebow gets a better grasp of the game.

Some of the things I would like to see implimented and practiced are getting the TE’s more involved, Tebow looking for a dump off guy in the flat and not trying to make things happen with his legs every time. And working on his short timing routes. Getting him some good “hands” receivers.

Bottom line, there is so many things to love about this team, with a full offseason, good FA and draft acquisitions and the continuity we will have, I can NOT NOT NOT wait till football season this year.

My first year back in over 20, watching the NFL again and it was exciting.

Dennis Allen…
A. Pull all your hair out and cry if he leaves
B. Who cares, we can get Bob Slowik again

We don’t even know what this offense is yet! How can we know who can run it? I agree the play calling was not great, but do we really know it was all on the calling and not on the lack of execution both in games and in practice???

He’s done very well with Tebow and seems to genuinely want to coach him and have him QB his O. Not so sure there are many good OC’s looking to do that. Plus, with a young QB like Tebow we need continuity to avoid an Alex Smith like career for Tebow. Keeping the same offense should only help Tebow

Tim Tebow’s natural offense isn’t Mike McCoy’s natural offense. Now, I give McCoy all the credit in the world for going back and learning the option spread, really getting a grasp on what Tebow was great at in college, and then implementing that in a game plan that was at times extremely effective and at times marginally effective with a group of players that had never played that kind of football.

Bravo to Mike McCoy for his work in that regards.

Now that we are heading into the offseason though a huge question has to be answered, and that is are we going to build an offense and tell Tebow and the rest of the Broncos that this is the way it’s going to be, get good at it or go home? This should sound familiar as it was classic Josh McDaniel’s style.

OR, are they going to build an offense around the players that they have? An offense that plays to their strengths. In other words, are they going to build an offense that plays to Tebow’s strengths? If not, Tebow’s value to this offense drops considerably.

If Tebow is our future we have to get used to an idea that our offense will always look a little different and we will have use for certain types of players that other offenses wouldn’t find as helpful. The question in my mind becomes, is Mike McCoy the best OC for this type of offense… or is there a better option out there? Someone more familiar and skilled with the spread option who could take this offense to the next level?

I’m okay with McCoy staying on board, but I do think we need to see something more.

and the occasional screen play I say we keep looking.

I understand the complaints of predictability, and there is plenty of merit there, but my biggest gripe with McCoy all season was his lack of in-game adjustments.

Simply using our last game as the example, what earthly reason can you give for continuing to use the spread option fake late into the 3rd qtr/early 4th when it had yet to work in the game and facing a 4 TD deficit? Forget the fake, they couldn’t have cared less if we did hand it off for 5 or 6 yards, and the hesitation was putting Tebow in unnecessary pressure due to the delay. It’s a singular example, but it was a recurring one throughout the season, and one that must get fixed this offseason.