Assessing the Broncos Roster on Defense - 2012
Continuing on from my roster assessment of the Offense here, this post will take a look at the Denver Broncos personnel for 2012 on the Defensive side of the ball. This is where I believe our team needs to address the upgrading of talent on the field and how to accomplish that with regards to age and economical factors in order to improve for the upcoming season.
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I think Dan Conner and Tom Zbikowski are reasonable FA's who could improve our D significantly. .
Especially Zbikowski. LeRon Landry will cost a pretty penny.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
Landry should come cheapish
Has a long list of injury concerns and has an ACL issue to deal with. No one will pay top dollar for him.
by Scotty Payne on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
Even if nobody wanted him... I doubt we outbid Washington
Obviously anything could happen… but if Washington isnt willing to spend money on a player we know something is seriously wrong with him
I read an article that said that they expected him to make 35 mil for 5 years
I believe it was from the washington post
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Two very good articles Kirk
Always interested hearing what you have to say as it is always a very measured and realistic position.
I agree with your view on safety and think corner could be addressed both in FA and the draft.
The one thing that I am not sure on is the resigning of Thomas. Yes I thought he had a good season against the run and would happily see him back. However the FO didnt resign him immediately last season and I got the impression he wasnt someone they were totally struck on. With a number of DTs available in FA (Jones and even Landri offer a better pass rush) the return of Warren and Vickerson as well as potentially resigning Bunkley (who is a FA must in my mind) I wonder if they do try and see if they can get an upgrade in FA and let Thomas test the market.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
Ditto
Two very good articles Kirk. Always interested hearing what you have to say as it is always a very measured and realistic position.
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The thing with Thomas
He has progressed in each of his seasons with the Broncos and I don’t think he has hit his ceiling yet. He had a pretty decent season and I think it might be worth it to see if he can continue that upward trend in 2012. Free agency is not the answer. We need to get some youth behind the guys we have already. With Warren and Vickerson returning, sign Thomas and Bunk and add a stud in the draft. That will give us a good, deep unit provided we get some production from Warren. McBean and Harvey are the weak links, not Thomas.
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 26, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
Adding Shanny to that mix could make things very scary in DC
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combustion awaits
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 26, 2012 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
i am not saying about building the Broncos fortunes through free agency I am fully behind the logic of building through the draft.
my point was relating to whether the FO were fully behind Thomas because I got the impression that Vickerson, Bunkley and Warren were the FO’s top 3 DTs. I wondered if they would replace Thomas with a mid level FA who was a better pass rusher as well as get someone through the draft.
if Thomas stays great because as has been said it would be a continuation of developing their own talent and i think he would provide good depth
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Marcus tested the waters a bit last year
but it was not a good year to be a FA. This year, with the CBA in place, and I really don’t think we will try to hard to keep him if his offers go over the 1mil/yr we paid him in a 1 year contract last year. IMO we will offer, he will wait to sign and test the market for him, and he will be gone to a higher bidder.
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I got ya
Warren is a big question mark going into this season. I think it is a benefit to try to hold on to Thomas for that and other reasons. I think Fox is aiming to have a balanced rotation up front. Having both Vickerson and Warren go down last season kind of nixed that idea. Thats exactly why those guys seemed to wear down a little at the end of the season. I think an ideal situation would be to hold on to Bunk and Thomas then add a swing guy that can play both positions early in the draft. He needs to be more of a penetrater than a stuffer.
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I agree CH
At some point we need to keep the players we have developed. Marcus fits that and upgrading at the expense of McBean and Harvey would have a positive result.
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One thing that jumped out at me from your post
Is Thomas’ age vs. his experience. He came out when he was just a kid and I think that has a lot to do with his early struggles. Most players his age are second year players at most. Thomas has youth and experience on his side and he just keeps getting better. How can you not like that?
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I do like it
Rahim Moore is only 21, so you can put him in that category, as far as giving him a year to pan out. I know my decision-making skills weren’t that good when I was 21. :)
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No need to jerk the knee
I’m not too worried about Rahim, I think he’ll grow into the expectations we have for him. I think his problems right now are all mental. With no OTAs, the NFL game has probably been a shock to him. If Dawkins hangs it up, we need another vet to come in and help those youngsters at Safety. Bruton being the grand ole man of the bunch is kind of scary though I did like the progress he showed this season.
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Oh I know you weren't
I just grow weary of the folks who think we should get rid of players each week when they have a bad game, like it was fantasy football or Madden.
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It's not?
C’mon Kaptain, I’ll give you DJ for Jon Beason.
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That gets me as well
These guys are all flesh and blood. A poor performance from time to time is to be expected.
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by CH74 on Jan 26, 2012 9:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It's possible Steve
I don’t know for sure what the story was with Marcus, but he was a Restricted Free Agent. It could be that he wanted more money and no one was biting in Free Agency because of the Lockout. A great many of the Free Agents had to re-sign with their old team because of that. I believe he signed for $1 million for 2011.
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Thank you for this post, Kaptain
You know I like this “business” part of the football. I’ll try to make my own chart and think about it.
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I have some more money stuff in the works right now.
I am glad Free Agency doesn’t begin until mid March. There is too much to research. :)
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Could you share it via email or facebook Kirk?
If you have salary/money stuff about the other franchises, I’d be glad also. Thank you in advance.
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 26, 2012 8:05 PM MST up reply actions
I will hit you up with it
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Thank you again =)
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by Fabio Broncos on Jan 27, 2012 8:06 AM MST up reply actions
DTs
Thomas is an example of how DTs can take a LONG time to be able to contribute on a regular basis.
This is why they need to get the future DTs sooner rather than later – you can’t just wait until someone gets old or ineffective and then go out and pick up an instant replacement (especially in the draft).
exactly, look at carolina
they started 2 rookie DTs for most of the year and teams ran all over them
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MADness
Big time. Teams need to have players developing constantly just because of roster turnover. That is why my approach shows the Broncos could preferably bring in a veteran Safety if Dawkins retires. That way there is a proven player to fall back with. If the rookies beat him out, you have a strong position of depth. It’s really a win win situation.
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It has to be very hard
to play next to or in front of someone who is grossly overpaid compared to you.
DJ makes way to much. Von, Doom and Champ do too, but they are stars. DJ really isn’t. He’s good but 5 mil/yr good?
Champ’s due another bonus? IDK about that one.
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champ will be a bronco for life
can you imagine if our #1 CB was goodman?
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that wouldn’t be very GOOD MAN. haha
by broncosfan1129 on Jan 26, 2012 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the articles KK - detailed and with the money figures which is always helpful.
Does Ben Garland have any sort of contract?
I assume his military service ends this year allowing him to compete properly in camp for 2012
What would Blackie Lawless do? Well he'd probably wait till after the playoffs are over before speculating as to what happens in the offseason....
Good Call
I forgot about him. He was a promising prospect. High motor guy, with a good work ethic and attitude. Maybe not the most athletically gifted, but given some time could make up for it with perserverance.
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I’m not sure if Promising Prospect is the right term. He had a chance of making the roster/practice squad.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
In my mind
that’s promising :)
Just trying to be optimistic.
Every year after the draft I research each pick and watch their highlight videos, read articles, check out their stats. I always think that each and every one of them is going to turn into the next Rod Smith or Chris Harris.
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that is a nice way to look at it!
we are all now optimists, so : 
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 26, 2012 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
provided you don't leave the Broncos and go to the Raiders.
then you suddenly suck.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
yes, Dennis Allen sucks rocks these days
Bucky Larson is a stupid owner 
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 26, 2012 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
Garland will be 31 when the season starts.
I don’t know that I have ever heard of a 31 year old rookie before. Mike Anderson was a 27 yr old rookie for the Broncos in 2000.
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by DE_BroncoFan on Jan 27, 2012 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
He does, but I don't know how valid it is because of his military commitment.
He didn’t make it to Training Camp last year, so things are up in the air as far as his situation goes, but here are his numbers.
4/27/2010: Signed a three-year, $1.217 million contract. The deal included a $2,000 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: Restricted Free Agent
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We need
1 (DT)- Draft or FA
Marcus Thomas
Brod Bunk
1 (LB)- Draft or FA
WoodRo
2 (CB)- Draft or FA
1 (SS or FS)-Draft or FA
This Defense needs a ton of work yet. Our Secondary minus Champ is pitiful. I really propose that Bowlen gets out the checkbook and makes a big FA signing on the defensive side of the ball. I propose probably Corner would be the spot for that. Champ is still good at #1 but not for long, Goodman is hit or mis, Harris had a good year but still needs to Grow, while we all love Squid and Cassius, they are still questionmarks. Saftey is of huge concern after watching our 2 rookies run around like chickens with their heads cut off.
Robert Ayers continues to get better, DJ Williams had a pretty good year, Marcus Thomas was alright, and we get Vickerson back next year.
We have the pass rush with Doom and Von, now we just need some guys to be able to cover. Linebacker and Secondary need to be addressed. Especially if our offense isn’t going to be able to score very many points
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Not enough superstars
Miller, Champ, and Dumerville are the only superstars we got. Champ is getting old and will start to lose a step soon. Dumerville isn’t so great against the run. Miller was a rookie and made some mistakes, but will work those out. He should become a super superstar. We still need some more guys to step up and make a name for themselves. I think a monster of an interior lineman and MLB that can do it all would do this defense wonders. I still think this team is in rebuiling mode despite the division championship and winning the wildcard playoff game. We need to think long term, keep adding through the draft. Let the 2nd year guys develop a little more, and maybe pick up one or to FA’s. Any more than that and you’ll have a defense like the Eagles. All superstars, no cohesiveness. Let’s not jump the gun and get a bunch of FA’s on one and two year deals. They’ll be gone by the time they start to gel and then we’re back to square one.
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just build through the draft
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 26, 2012 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
we havent signed a big FA in a long long time, we can have just one
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 27, 2012 7:43 AM MST up reply actions
so long as he's not a bust...
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 27, 2012 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
@KK..again top shelve.
Bunkley is a MUST re-sign ($) . Trade DJ for picks. (Woodyard is ready). Then go after two or more of the following FA: (posted earlier, so I moved here).
Sammie Lee Hill DT: Det 25 6’4’ 329 (2009-4) A solid run stuffer who got lost in the mix in Detroit. He’s young and has size.
Jason Jones DT: Ten 25 6’5" 276 (2008-2) A Solid pass rushing DT who would give us what our D is sorely missing, a pass rush up the middle
Dan Connor ILB: Car 26 6’2" 231 (2008-3) Yes we have Nate Irving, but veteran depth is needed. Connor has been stuck behind John Beason, one of the best ILBer’s in the game. Would be an instant upgrade.
William Middleton CB: Jac 25 5’11" 194 (2009-5) William Middleton doesn’t have much NFL experience, but he handled himself really well in relief of Derek Cox and Rashean Mathis in 2011. He’s a young corner with loads of potential.
Terrell Thomas CB: NYG 27 6’ 191 (2008-2) A solid starting corner in this league. Is coming off a Torn ACL, but it happened in August so he should be healthy by Training camp. Would come cheap after coming off injury.
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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If we can get half of that list and a good draft, I will be happy.
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I really like the depth Hunter gives us in terms of pass rushing ability.
Bunkley is a necessity.
I also like Thomas as many of you know, and if you recall i predicted his success under Fox.
I think a veteran safety is needed. Our depth LB’s are very specialized (Haggan, Mays) which isnt a good thing.
Great job KK!
These two articles were really great.
DTs who can push the pocket and generate pass rush are fairly rare in the NFL today.
Of the top fifty in the NFL in sacks last year, four were listed as DTs: Geno Atkins (7.5 sacks), Tommy Kelly (7.5 sacks), Karl Klug (7.0 sacks) and Henry Melton (7.0 sacks). If we expand that to the top 100 in sacks, we find 6 more for a total of ten DTs who generated sacks. Now, one can push the pocket and generate pressure without accumulating many sacks, but statistically sack totals are the best metric that I can find for judging a DT’s ability to rush the passer. Two of those 10 were available as FAs this past off-season – Jenkins and Okoye, but Okoye’s 4.0 sacks are exactly how many Ryan McBean got for us this year. FYI, McBean was in the top 100. Although McBean was listed as a DE, he played DT for us on passing downs. McBean was 4th on the team in sacks. Bunkley, Thomas, Unrein and Vickerson combined for zero sacks.
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