Rebuild, Year 2 of 3, Version 1.
by swg777 on Jan 29, 2012 5:49 PM MST
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PrintThe older I get and the more drafts I observe, the more I see the futility in a mock done in January / February. However, I can't resist the temptation! Instead of one per week, I might tone it down to one per month. This doesn't fill every need, but I think it puts us one step closer to contending. Maybe I am delusional, but I think every pick and acquisition, at this point in the offseason, is realistic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Draft -
* One Trade - Package 4th & 5th for 3rd Rounder
1st Round - Michael Brockers DT
2nd Round - Vinny Curry DE
3rd Round - Bernard Pierce RB
3rd Round - Jarius Wright WR
5th Round - Brandon Taylor SS
7th Round - Marc Tyler RB
Free Agency -
Dan Connor MLB
John Carlson TE
Dennis Dixon QB
Re-sign:
1. Brodrick Bunkley DT
2. Matt Prater K
3. Marcus Thomas DT
4. Matt Willis WR
5. Wesley Woodyard WLB
6. Chris Clark OT
7. Spencer Larsen FB
Thoughts?
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Love your approach. Not too greedy and more realistic than most - no big splash signings which are not coming
Here’s one thought though: you picked up a TE to replace Fells and Rosario. It is good. We may need one more, and Fells was pretty good for the money, so we may want to resign him as well.
But I think it is important to bring a veteran safety, not draft another rookie. Dawk is unlikely to play. We will need a vet, because an all-youngster safety corps is a recipe for allowing big plays time and again. And I don’t like the strategy of going to draft for another safety until we know what to make of our last year’s draftees. You just create a logjam at the position. When you have a vet and a sophomore, it is different. The vet provides stability. The youngster learns and his goal is to grow enough to outplay and displace the vet. So my choice would be an inexpensive vet at safety and no draft picks spent on this position.
Thanks...
Yeah, I was on the fence with Fells. I thought Julius Thomas will now be active (hopefully), then John Carlson, then Virgil Green.
Trust me, I would love a safety. I would love to go after Tyvon Branch but I don’t know if we will spend the money for him. I think he would be an excellent fit with our current personnel.
Laron Landry.
Is my first pick for safety, don’t like the idea of drafting one. Also don’t really like the idea of drafting two rbs.
by e_saites on Jan 30, 2012 2:52 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Landry has an Achilles issue that scares me of getting him.
What good is he if in TC we find out the doctors were right he should’ve had it operated on? OK now we will and put him on IR. No Thanks.
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True
But he has been rehabilitating for months, when he’s healthy he’s one of the leagues best, and you always give a guy a physical before signing him teams don’t just go into these things blind. All I’m saying its he’s easily the best available and this team needs help at safety. … John Lynch broke his neck before coming to denver he worked out well.
by e_saites on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with this comment on the S draft pick
Maybe you could look at an OL pick there? I think we will make one pick for the OL. I also think several more of our FA guys will be back, if for nothing more that competition in camp. Roster limit is 90, and I doubt we have 35-40 UDFA filling out the roster. Also, my 2 cents on Fells he was an ok blocker but was open ALL the time, and that will show up when he is evaluated.
I like Vinny Curry, I saw him play a couple times this year and he looks like he could be an Aldon Smith type, nice choice. Brockers looked good for LSU, but do you think he will be around in the 20’s? Maybe, I hope Thompson is there and we go with him, but like you said is is a bit pointless right now . . .
I like Fells.
Plus, I went to high school with his wife. It doesn’t matter from a football perspective, but it is kind of cool to have that sort of connection, however distant, to a Bronco player.
Never let them see you bleed.
My shit always works sometimes.
by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 31, 2012 7:51 AM MST up reply actions
Is it possible
Can we change the fifth rounder to the other guy in the photo? No? Oh well.
Nice draft and thoughts.
lol
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Nice observation Sayre!
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 29, 2012 7:46 PM MST up reply actions
I think we'll sign a couple Jags
with Del Rio now on board he’ll bring over some guys. Checking their players they have a solid number 2 corner who is 26 and a good DE who is 28 who got 7 or so sacks last year. Neither will break the bank but should be able to step in as solid starters if not quality depth
Bronco Learning Curve
I don't think it's good...
you have one coach that let him go and another one who put him on the inactive list on game day
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 29, 2012 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
He'll get one more shot in camp
His career is on the line at this point. I expect he will stay here, because we gave him another chance, and his year in the system gives him some advantage over other poeple coming in. But if he doesn’t kill it in camp and preseason, his spot goes to someone younger who has more of a chance to grow I think.
Wether harvey was in jacksonville
He was progressing as a DE, until they switched to the 3-4, maybe he needs to be in a specific system to succeed
by e_saites on Jan 30, 2012 2:55 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Sbhchawk,
Excellent point. I looked into a few Jags, and I saw some that were decent fits. However, how often do a coach and player follow each other. I know we talked about John Fox landing some former Panthers but that really hasn’t happened. Great idea to consider though.
I'd rather keep Hunter and draft a DB in the 2nd
Rather than drafting Curry, also a late round SS seems a bit odd since we are already very young there and have a number of backups at safety. Other than that I like it, especially since it’s a pretty economical mock off-season, not just blowing the bank like some mocks. The only thing that might not be feasible is that Carlson is well liked in Seattle and is a key cog in that group of TE’s, though I think he’d be a decent addition.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I'm all for a DB in the 2nd,
however, I think there is going to be a handful of late first and second round 4-3 DE’s that will offer tremendous value. I’m not opposed to your idea though.
I also don’t know how many times to say this but there are two safety positions, SS and FS. Other than Dawkins, we have no safeties who are adept at playing in the box as an extra linebacker, etc. Our currents safeties, in my opinion, are better in coverage and have better ball skills, more suitable for a FS.
Sign a FA S
I think we go for a mid tier guy that will sign a reasonable deal for a few years (no big signing bonus – $$ is an issue, we have heard that from X several times). maybe we even sign a couple?
$$ isn't an issue,
Denver had the third most cap in the league, the FO is just looking for value.
by e_saites on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
$$ is likely the only issue this FA cycle
We have heard Z say at least 3 times, “there is a cap, and we have an internal budget, and we are going to stick to the internal budget.” My interpretation of that comment is we aren’t going to get anywhere near the cap. So I think guys like Landy are probably not signing here, we will find a lower cost player(s) to shore us up at S.
Which isn't for now
it’s for later when all these young guys need new contracts. Do we really want to lose them as they approach their 2nd contract like the Raiders? Sorry, but I want to have $ ready for Clady this year to re-sign before he gets away. Next year we have Ayers, Beadles and Walton to think about The year after that….whoa baby….that may be tough.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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True
True but those aren’t going to be beastly contracts. All I’m saying is they have money to work with.
Does anyone know the dead cap scenario? I read that this off season cap room will be freed up via guys like bannan j. williams orton etc. any truth to this, this would add millions to or available cap. Which currently is 24.9, so I’ve read.
by e_saites on Jan 30, 2012 1:42 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Curry could be a gem as a pash rusher
He has good size and speed, so who knows maybe he is picked up there somewhere. I’d like to see us draft a big CB too, not sure where that fits, but likely has to be 2nd or 3rd.
As close to perfection as I've seen
Brockers and Curry would be an amazing combination. The other guys would just be icing on the cake.
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Pretty Good. Love your FA but doubt Carlson leaves. I think Carroll will keep him and Miller and try to make them the next Gronk/Hernandez. Still I"d love to get him. I like Fells a lot though if we stand pat.
I like Dixon as a backup too. Another QB I’d really want to look at is Josh Johnson. I am also hoping we can get Jason Jones DT. Another option might be getting Mincey DE from Jags. He got 8 sacks last year so he would be pretty darn solid opposite Doom. That way we could use our 2nd round pick on a CB or a RB like Polk or Martin (if they fall).
Love the Brockers pick and am cool with Vinny Curry. I don’t know much about the rest of them though.
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BM101
You make a good point about Carlson. Mincy would be an interesting pick up. I’ll have to look into that.
After Scobee, The JAG FA that is being targeted the most by JAG fans is Mincy.
I think providing the JAGs find the money, he will probably stay. He has ties to NE Florida and is a fan favorite.
I HIGHLY doubt Brockers or Curry make it down to us.
The cons of being a playoff contender…
You might be right...
On purpose, I chose players who are currently right on the line as to their availability. I’ve seen many mocks that show Brockers going in the twenties and many other mocks that show Curry going mid to late second.
I've seen huge variations.
I’ve seen him going as high as 9, to the Panthers! And then others in the late twenties, just like you said. I would love it if he fell to us at 25 though.
by broncos7life on Jan 29, 2012 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty cool to be able to call us that, though. Small consolation.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!
I love the Brockers pick and Connors and Dixon in FA. Well done swg!!
I really like who you have us keeping of our own FA.
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Very Realistic.
First the draft- I love Wright, Taylor, and Tyler. There good values were you have them and they should be available when you have them being taken. Taylor might move up? Don’t really know much about Brockers but I know I would love a DT in the first round. I don’t know anything about Pierce. Vinny Curry isn’t going to be there at #57 (I think). Some one will take him early in the second round. Possibly even late first. So I would like either a CB or RB there instead.
Free agents- All three make lots of sense. I don’t think Carlson played at all last year. So I would like to know about his health. I have always liked Dixon. Connor is an upgrade in my mind. He would be great. I can’t take watching Joe Mays anymore.
Resigned Players- To me Bunkley is the most important player that we need to retain. He really played good this year. Thomas also played well and should be back in my book. Prater is a must. Neither Clark or Larsen will cost much.
I agree that Royal will be gone. It wouldn’t surprise me if the same was true of Willis.
I also think Woodyard is gone, he is going to go somewhere for pretty good money to start.
MM,
Good observations. Mike Mayock said Curry was in the third round discussion going into the Senior Bowl (though I always thought he was a 2nd rounder) and now Mayock thinks he is a 2nd rounder. I think Curry could come in and have a similar impact to Jabal Sheard from the Browns, who was a stud this year.
Willis is a RFA
He’s not going anywhere this season unless another team really wants him, or the Broncos really want to get rid of him.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
As always, enjoyed your post swg
I really wouldn’t be surprised if it went down like this. I think End is a position that will get some attention in the draft this year from the Broncos.
I did think it was telling though that Fox highlighted in his end of season presser that the Broncos need to improve in the situations when the other team spread them out. So I think a Strong Safety who can line up on the Tight End and at least one corner back who can slot in at #2 or #3 are going to be orders of business. But lots of time between now and the free agency/draft. Who knows how it’s going to fall out!?!?
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 29, 2012 8:23 PM MST reply actions
Thanks friend...
I agree with you about getting DB help. I would love to get someone who can cover the middle of the field but in my particular scenario, I didn’t see a possibility. I can see many other possibilities where it could though. I also remember Fox saying that the best defense is a good pass rush. We shall see, buddy.
Agreed, agreed
Best pass rush vs pass coverage, that is the question. All I know is that our pass rush wasn’t that bad this year. In fact it was better than average. But our DBs were totally outmatched. I honestly think the Broncos need a number 2 Corner Back badly. Someone who may step into Champ’s shoes. It would push the entire depth charge down a notch and that would be a difference maker against the high-powered pass attacks. Someone like Jenkins or Dennard would be ideal.
Call me crazy, but I also wonder about assigning our best pass rusher to coverage in order to cover the top tight ends. If we can fill the DE spot with a viable alternative – Like Vinny Curry – then is Von Miller a logical option to cover the Gronkowskis of this league if we’re still getting adequate pass rush from someone like Curry?
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 30, 2012 5:17 AM MST up reply actions
I should say
I just think the versatility that having another pass rush option would be valuable. Not suggesting hobbling Von… just using his speed and size in a more 2 dimensional fashion, knowing that you have a talented DE in place on third downs etc…
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 30, 2012 5:24 AM MST up reply actions
Von needs to be rushing the QB on 3rd downs.
We need to cover the TEs with the safeties.
Haha. Did you watch the Pro Bowl? Having Revis on one side and Champ on the other was cool.
We need a DE that gets more penetration than Ayers. Unles he did turn the….Nah, we need a DE. Hey can we get a Jared Allen of three years ago for a 1st round pick like the Vikings did? At the time I thought they were stupid.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
You know I started to watch the Pro bowl
And got so bored watching them play in slow motion that I turned it off in disgust. Terrible game. Really terrible.
Getting a DE? That’s what I’m saying – get a high round DE. Add in some versatility so that Von doesn’t need to rush all the time. Von is a linebacker and is the most athletic guy in the team. I’m not saying you need to dedicate him to the Tight End, but you need to have the threat of him covering while our new Defensive End rushes from the left (defensive) side…
Tell me – what safety can we get that can cover guys like Graham and Gronk? Easier said than done. And easier to get a pass rush threat than a safety of that kind of quality….
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 30, 2012 6:45 AM MST up reply actions
It got better
as they got into the game and youger guys started playing more. Weddle put some aggression in it. There wasn’t much emotion though you’re right, and in the beginning none. It has been ruined by the switch to before the SB. I don’t know whose stupid idea that was but shitcan it already would ya.
We agree on the need for a better DE. 1st round maybe, although I don’t like any of them that are there for our spot. I want one 6’4/6’5, 275/295 with a nonstop motor. LOL, I’m not asking for much.
Maybe it’s not a safety. Maybe it’s a light LB. Maybe it’s Von sometimes. I just don’t want it to be his responsibility, you know.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Yeah it could be someone like lavonte david
I just want to see guys on the field that are versatile enough to add new dimensions to the defense. Putting david in at MLB and a de like Ingram (god willing) could be amazing as it would free Von up to be where he needs to be… And to keep the opponents offense off guard.
I just wish they could heighten the importance of the pro bowl. I dunno how but it needs to have to do with the selection process but also the financial rewards need to be there. Also their legacy needs to be tied to it somehow. How did this player, or that play in the pro bowl? Will it assist hof voting eventually? I’m just spit balling but somehow the game needs to matter! It’s the end of the season for god sake… If they get hurt, it’s not like they’ll be missing games or pay checks… Anyway, glad it go better but I’ll opt out in future I think.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 30, 2012 7:15 AM MST up reply actions
I think Ayers was one of our best players this year. Collapsed the pocket, brought pressure, set the edge....and he got some sacks. Hes getting better!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Champ Bailey.
I agree
He wasn’t Julius Peppers reborn or anything, but he wasn’t ever supposed to be that in the first place. I like Ayers a whole lot, but I still would like to us bring in a good situational pass rusher to spell him from time to time. Hunter and Harvey don’t get it done.
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My thoughts
1. I like your free agent pick ups. I think we will pick up more then 3 guys IMO. Dan Connor is probably my favorite realistic free agent at this point. Guy is a good starter who is stuck behind a very good player in Jon Beason in Carolina
2. I like the Draft picks. I personally think Brockers is overhyped by the media right now and could easily be there when we pick. Brockers has great size for a DT but IMO he is still raw. Some team might fall in love with his potential and overdraft him. I don’t think he is a guy who can step in right away and contribute. I like Vinny Curry also but I would rather go CB in the 2nd. Someone like Jamell Fleming, Brandon Boykins, Chase Minnifield.
They're all overhyped right now.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
kraig,
1. I wanted to be a little more conservative when going after free agents. I would love to grab more, but history tells us different.
2. I don’t think Brockers is overhyped if he is available when we pick. I see a very similar player to Nick Fairley. You are right though, Brockers is raw and might be more of a developmental prospect.
IMO
i would swap that DT for a GUARD, CB or RB i dont think well ever see a 1st round DT from EFX because its been proven to be 1 of the riskiest moves in drafts, but i like the rest of ur picks & free agents, i would also look at whose gonna be available from the jaguars now that we have DEL RIO!!!
NO PRESSURE... NO DIAMONDs
I like this offseason
it’s very realistic, and I love the fact you didn’t go bonkers in Free Agency. Why Brockers and not Jerel Worthy? Fletcher Cox? Dontari Poe? Just a question. I’m just glad to see a DT taken with our 1st. This is another deep DT class… CB as well. I’d probably replace the 3rd round WR with a CB, but that’s just me.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Pale
I think Brockers has more upside than those other DT’s you mentioned. Also, I’m not convinced someone like Poe (350 pounds) could be an every down linemen in the mile high air. Fair enough on the WR vs. the CB. I wouldn’t complain bro.
Sounds good man
Great minds think alike brother!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Great Draft
I think Brocker and Curry will both be animals on the defensive line and that will help the secondary more than drafting a CB! We already have a lot of talent back there IF we can put more pressure on the QB! If you want a DB back there, draft one instead of Wright!
Kansas Bob
Curry's home games are played 30 minutes away from me (Marshall)
so I’ve seen his worth in action many times. Animal indeed.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
swg, you know I love mocks.
Yours had my rec with the first two picks. Awesome. Won’t happen IMO because DL is not a top round priority to Fox, but if it would, kudos.
PS Does swg stand for single white guy? I’m not hitting on you or anything, just curious. Yeah, I know it killed the damn cat.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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digger...
swg are my initials. I’m married and I’m into women. Thanks though. hahahaha. Why do you think that DL is not a top round priority to Fox? Also, have you seen Jack Del Rio’s draft history? Almost nothing but linemen! Crazy stuff.
Glad to hear it swg.
Del Rio isn’t drafting. Maybe he will have enough influence to change the vote though if one drops to us.
Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability.
John Wooden
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I wouldn't mind letting him choose a DT for us in round 1
since the Broncos seemingly are repulsed by it. I do see what you mean about the overall tendencies of our franchise…. hopefully EFX will fool us and do the right thing. I’m pretty sure the Patriot scouting/drafting system puts a huge emphasis on best player available. This is another deep class of DT’s and we could use a couple IMO.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Digger
IDK how anyone could say DT (or any position) isn’t a top round priority to EFX. Elway is new and we don’t really know what he prefers… Xanders, by way of McD and Matt Russell, has a copy of the Patriot draft manual (as does Atlanta & KC), so he goes by the BPA formula… and John Fox does have tendencies (RB – LB), but he’s not the final say.
The three of them have only been together for 1 year, and drafting Von Miller wasn’t really about preference… unless you’re counting rookie All-Pro’s as one. If Von Miller wasn’t there at #2, we would have gone Dareus. I agree that they flubbed up in the 2nd round, opting for the best Safety (in a hideous class of Safeties) instead of the 10th best DT. But it’s not exactly like Paea and Marvin Austin had world breaker type years.
What I’m trying to say is… we don’t know what they tendencies are yet. If they deem a DT the BPA when we pick, then that’s our guy. If it’s a MLB, then he’s ours as well.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Looks like several good ideas to me!
Love the UFA signings. Any UFA CBs we can sign because I’m not sure we have the depth here to go into the season with just Champ, Goodman, Harris and Squid. We’ll need two more CBs of NFL caliber.
You also failed to add O-line depth, which makes your trade up hard to swallow. I’d rather have a 4th round CB and a 5th round OG/C.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Good ideas....
I did the trade up for a WR because I think we need a spread the field, speedster type of WR. I also think Eddie Royal won’t be around.
Eddie Royal needs to go to a team with a QB that throws a lot of 3 step drops. Denver needs to find a WR that doesn’t suck as bad as Eddie Royal.
The Denver Broncos and Eddie Royal are a bad fit.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Since I clearly nailed the Orlando Franklin call of mega bust. I also said Colin McCarthy would have trouble in the NFL and he was pretty good for the Titans. So with that, here is my scouting report of on my Hurricanes.
Marcus Forston (DT) – don’t touch him. He is the Darcel McBath of DTs. Injured too much and questionable motor.
Lamar Miller (RB) – very fast. Has home run speed. Also good about one cut moves. I hate drafting first round RBs, but if he is there at our 2nd round pick, he is a no brainer since he is nothing like McGahee and he is actually fast and actually has open field moves, both qualities that Moreno does not have.
Tommy Streeter (WR) – He is going to be a red zone machine in the NFL. Dude blew me away this season. Since Denver already has two tall WRs, I don’t think we need a third, but I very much hope he doesn’t end up in the AFC West. I’d be really sad if he ends up in San Diego.
Olivier Vernon (DE) – This guy was vastly better than Bailey in 2010, then Vernon got suspended for 6 games for living the good life in Miami. His 2011 season was a subsequent disappointment. I think he’ll turn out to be a very good pass rusher in the NFL. Guy has high end pass rush moves and a lot of speed. He’d be a great sleeper pickup in round 5 or later. He’ll probably test well though and some team will snag him earlier. If Denver ends up with this player, we’ll be happy.
Brandon Washington – Good run blocker, good pass blocker. He is better than Beadles, but he isn’t anything special. I bet he gets picked long before Denver is looking at OGs. He’ll be a average NFL starter.
Jacory Harris (QB) – Hahahaha. I hope KC drafts him.
Aldarius Johnson (WR) – Like Forston, totally overrated. He is not NFL material.
Travis Benjamin (WR) – Could be a very good kick returner in the NFL, but he runs too much east/west. He does have good deep speed and decent hands. He fumbles a lot and he is not very smart. I wouldn’t use more than a 6th rounder on the guy and that is entirely for his big play ability and high end speed. He is probably a 4.3 guy. Denver has no one on their roster with his kind of speed. We need someone in the 2012 draft that is this fast. Anyone really.
Sean Spence (OLB) is a nice player with a good motor and instincts. Not sure we have this need, but he’ll do alright in the NFL. Not much upside. He is probably as good as he’ll get.
Miami’s C Tyler Horn would be a good UDFA pickup for Denver.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
This is great stuff....
RE: Sean Spence. I remember Xanders talking about how much he loved Sean Spence and the DT for Florida, whose name I forget, who was in the Senior Bowl.
Do you think Spence could move to SS? The guy is a football player. Solid stats. What round do you think Streeter goes in? What kind of 40 time will he have?
Streeter goes in round 3. He is so freaking tall (he looks at least 6’6 out there) and jumps so well. But he is not a burner. He’s a red zone weapon, but not a deep threat. He came out of nowhere this season and just smoked some good DBs. With DT around, Streeter is not a great fit for Denver. He would have been an amazing fit after we let BM go after 2009.
If he goes to a team with a good QB, I think Streeter could have 10 TDs as a rookie.
I like Spence, he is better than Woodyard. Denver would find a spot on their 53 for him.
It’s just that 2011 reset my expectations. I want to cleanse our roster of the crappy 4-12 type non-talents like Lance Ball, Bruton, Urien, Royal and McBean. Spence is no better than an 8-8 type player. I guess I’m just starting to get greedy.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
And name me the last three good college ILBs turn SS in the NFL?
In fact, name me one!
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I think that usually goes the other direction
like Urlacher. He was a S in college, then moved up a level in NFL b/c he probably wouldn’t be fast enough to play S in the leauge. I think generally though not a lot of movement on those second levels. If you wan’t play your position, you go to Canada or the grocery store.
Nice moves swg.
I say keep Fells.
I would actually rather go SS in the 1st and DT in the 5th.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 30, 2012 9:50 AM MST reply actions
I think you are misguided and here is why.
DT in round 1 is the smarter play. We have bookend outside pass rushers, but get nothing up the middle from our DTs. QBs can simply step up to avoid Von or take off running. You get up the middle push with not pocket to step into and you’ll see our DEs do much better job of getting sacks/pressures on most plays.
Then it won’t matter who the SS or FS is because the QBs will but chucking the ball up there for grabs. At that point, Moore’s speed can actually help him.
In an passing league, it’s better to have pressure on the QBs than ballers at FS/SS. That’s why DEs and DTs get paid more that their FS counterparts.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
by McGeorge on Jan 30, 2012 10:15 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Case in point look at playoff game in Foxboro
We got up middle line push and eliminated Bradys ability to step up on two drives the entire game (not sure if it was scheme or we just got lucky – either way the pats quickly went to shotgun snaps with a deeper drop). In those two drives we got one inteception (Carter the benificiary of the type of pass you mention) and a 3 and out).
And staying in Foxboro Wilfork has been an anchor of Pats D since day 1. Other big names have come and gone, but hte guy that can play the run and push the pocket against constant double teams is a rare find. If anyone who even resembles that guy is there for us at #1 we have to go for it.
Or how about Jamal Williams. You want reason #1 why San Diego is so freaking average over the last four years… It’s that Father time robbed Williams of his excellence and San Diego hasn’t replaced him. Guray is okay (also older – like 33), but far from dominant.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Do you think "that guy" is in this draft?
I think Thompson is who I would shoot for, maily because Al Williams thinks he has a compact powerful footwork technique
I didn’t get to watch as much college ball in 2011 as I wanted to (new baby at home).
For once, I have to take the scouts word on a lot of these guys. I think Denver should take the guy with the highest ceiling and hope our strong locker-room brings out the best in him even if he has character concerns.
We need to stop drafting low ceiling guys like Moreno, Phonz & Beadles. We need to start taking risks on guys like Cushing, DeSean Jackson and Fairley. Getting lucky here is how you take an average team and make them top 10.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
COngrats on the kid McG!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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no doubts
congrats buddy!!! Little Bronco fans being groomed everywhere it seems. My son is a year and a half, so he can still be molded, but my too cool for school daughter (she’s 6) has to act like she’s a Steeler fan just to oppose old Dad. Let’s just say she didn’t like the Wildcard Round of the Playoffs too well. Hmm, that’s what she gets for being a B-hole…. LOLOLOL!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Brockers is the perfect fit for us in the 1st. If he's there.
I hope we draft an additional pass rushing DE too.
The Giants got to where they are because they can get pressure on the Qb without sending the whole team to get him.
Vinny Curry is perfect for our rotation. If we can get him in the 2nd, our draft is already a success.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
McGeorge wants to take risks on draft picks?
You mean taking average players who are versatile and contribute on special teams isn’t the key to greatness? I thing we should look for the next Julian Edelman. If having crappy receivers who can also be crappy at DB works for New England, it can work for us.
In case it wasn’t obvious, that was sarcasm. I totally agree on the risk/reward analysis, assuming that you have the kind of locker room that can control the high risk players. Some of our best players over the last few years were guys who fell in the draft because there was something about them that other teams didn’t like, such as Doom (too small) and Marshall (attitude), and even Lloyd (inconsistent effort).
Over the last few years, especially on defense, we had to play it safe and make sure we ended up with starters to replace Manuel, McCree, Webster, Koutovides etc. Now that we are basically competent and have decent depth, we need to take the next step and find some game changers. If we upgrade Goodman and Mays with players who are as good as the rest of our defense, we’ll be a top 10 defense next year.
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I agree GrizBronc
on our best players being guys that fell because of flaws, except Lloyd wasn’t our pick. Add Tebow to that list.
IMO we had a big risk last year already that Von would work out. And Franklin. If we were playing it safe, we would’ve had Darius and a FA right tackle.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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McJedi’s draft philosophy of drafting versatile jack of all trades, masters of none was in direct contracts to my philosophy of drafting specialized players that do a few things (like their position) better than everyone else.
I don’t want a so-so DE (Ayers) that can be a less than so-so OLB in a pinch. I don’t want an RB like Moreno that can do a little of everything, but do nothing well.
Get me players like Jimmy Graham (TE for New Orleans) or Darren Sproles or Antawn Barnes.
Man did McDaniels suck!
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Yep, his eye for talent was lacking, especially in his first draft.
But I’m pretty happy with Tebow, Thomas and Decker.
I totally agree with your philosophy though. Versatility is good when you are talking about backups and ST players, but not with starters. Starters need to create matchup problems, and you do that by being dominant at one thing and then exploiting the mismatch like the Saints do with Graham and Sproles. Neither one of them can block, but they are impossible to cover. So the Saints don’t ask them to block.
Give me 11 specialists on each side of the ball and I’ll design a scheme to allow each specialists to exploit his skill that would be unstoppable.
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I don't think I'm misguided, McGeorge... I just have a different opinion.
I’m hoping we resign Bunkley and I’m also hoping Warren will come back big and bad next year. I know that is a lot of hoping. I also think DT is high risk. I think SS is slightly less risky but I don’t have stats to prove that.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
I’d like a good SS as much as the next guy, but it’s just not nearly as big of an impact position as DT.
I’d welcome taking more risk for more reward. But then if someone like Eric Berry was sitting there at 25 vs any of this year’s DTs. Then yeah, sprint to the podium and take the SS.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
How do you feel about the Safety position?
Did you want to bring in a FA or do you think were ok going in with Bruton, Moore, and Carter and your 5th rounder? Or do you think Dawkins comes back?
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-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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Didnt Dawk play in the pro bowl?
I say get an FA…and develop our guys
FA
It is too early to give up on Carter and Moore. I think EFX gives each this season to make it or break it. I also think we bring in 1 or 2 low cost FA guys to challenge. I didn’t see Dawk in the pro bowl, but that isnt a real game anyway. he is not going to be faster or more durable next year, so I’m not counting on him for 2012.
Give up on Carter? Dude had two playoff INTs vs Big Ben and Brady. Those were in his two most recent games played. Talk about flashing!!!!
If anything, Carter is starting to round into serious player form. I’m excited about Carter. No way we draft his replacement. He is a building block for goodness sake.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Exellent point, Carter could end up being the steal of 2011
They need to give Rahim another year as well, he’s a youngster even by rookie standards. An actual offseason
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That they are
but I dont like going into next year with the current crop of safeties we have. Carter is developing well, but we still need a SS. Bruton showed flashes, maybe he will be better once his achilles heals completely
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"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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This is a pretty damn good take on a logical offseason plan. Offering my suggestions…
I’d probably keep the picks in the fourth and fifth, simply for reasons of depth. In the fourth, I’d take a second DT or a CB; in the fifth I’d look at Chris Rainey, who can fill a WR/RB role. You could even flip the order of those selections. With the second pick in the fifth, I’d look at OL – a young guard, maybe, that could replace Kuper in a year or two.
In free agency, I have a feeling that they’re going to let Marcus Thomas walk. I’d direct that money toward a veteran SS. Other than that, this is solid all the way around.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 AM MST reply actions
@SWG..top shelve. discussion points below.
No FA safety, Dawkins will be back then Champ serves as the vet.
FA Dennis Dixon is NOT an option “tall accurate pocket passer” is what John wants. Broncos will not run the college read-option.
OL got much better with Ryan Harris.
DT not a high need (we think). Bunkley, Thomas, Warren, Vickerson. Then there is McBean, Unrein, Siliga, Garland. Coach Nunneley loves these guys.
Trade down from #25 and pickup extra #2 and #3.
Priorities are CB, bu C/G, RB, and maybe WR..
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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Thanks old friend....
- I’m not as sure as you about Dawk
- Dennis Dixon has actually been an in the pocket passer with the Steelers. He hasn’t ran the ball an inordinate amount.
- I think a penetrating DT is a very big need
- I’m not with you on big needs being a C or a G. I think we should draft merely for depth at those positions.
- I’m not opposed to trading down like you suggest.
What, and I'm not an old friend?
Man did Romney pistol-whip Newt in Florida.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
minus some that weren't mentioned
that mirrors where I think we’re at SWG. When we say penetrating, some think we just mean pass rushing. A good penetrating DT is an asset against the run as well. I’m not sure any of the DT’s in this draft are going to make much of an impact year one, but I think a few of them could be molded into the classic UT we need.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Okay.... warning.... homerism is at play in this comment
but I’d do standing backflips if EFX drafted Bruce Irvin in the 2nd/3rd, or Julian Miller in the 5th. Yes… both players are Mountaineers… but they are also good young prospects who just happen to fit a need for us – A pass rushing presence at DE (other than VonDoom). They wouldn’t even have to be starters for us…. Ayers & Doom did a fine job. They just need to play that Aldon Smith role in San Fran… come in and wreak havoc on opposing QB’s.
I’ve watched both of them do it for awhile now… I know they can do it. Bruce Irvin looks just like a young Lawrence Taylor, body wise. You never know, he could be freak nasty.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Bruce Irvin....
I actually don’t know too much about him. These guys aren’t WV players, are they? I remember your Robert Sands opinion from last draft!
busted
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
I'll tell you what though
even though these players are WVU guys, I think they’re great young players regardless. So….
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I like most of it here are my questions...
1) Why resign Matt Willis? he has shown nothing to me!
2) I don’t think Carlson will com cheap if at all. Why do we make a play for him?
3) I would rather find some late round/CFA/FA Olineman than resign Clark and in all honesty we need more than him to keep us safe on the line. Why Chris Clark?
4) With all this attention to the DT who do we cut? you advocate resigning two and we have 2 under contract with us drafting 2 more by your draft 6/53 spots at one position? add in 4 at DE plus your drafted DE and that 9 players on the DL. Thats a lot of bread in one area.
5) What possible reason could the panthers have for letting Dan Conor go?
Overall good post just curious on those!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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Nice questions....
1. Matt Willis will be extremely cheap.
2. Carlson is coming off of a big injury and he isn’t a top ten TE. He is probably a top 20 TE. I don’t think he would be THAT expensive.
3. Chris Clark, like Matt Willis, will be cheap. He is decent depth. Nothing more
4. I anticipate Warren being cut. I also think we could cut Harvey.
5. Dan Connor wants to start. Jon Beason is preventing that. Pretty easy solution if you ask me.
Willis was pretty useful on coverage teams too
He did some good things.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 PM MST up reply actions
It's funny
how Connor will be available because he wants to start and Woody (who also wants to start) will re-sign. Amazing.
Connor will stay in Carolina because they will offer enough for him to stay. Besides he has started each of the last 3 years for part of the season when Beason has been hurt.
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Where did it say that Woody will re-sign?
Musta missed that one. I would trade Woody for Connor straight up
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-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
D'oh!
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I would trade Woody for Connor too.
Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
Rivera knows Dan Connor is a good LB and will do all he can to get him to stay. It’s the time of year to be illogical though so ……. Connor is coming to Denver.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Digger,
Who is illogical?
1. Are you saying that Connor would prefer to back up Beason or continue to cross his fingers that Beason will get hurt?
2. Are you saying that coming to Denver as the starting MLB would not be appealing???
3. Are you saying the Panthers would be willing to spend more for a backup MLB than the Broncos would for a starting MLB???
Who is illogical?
To harsh of a word?
Hey, I’ll admit I’ve been wrong plenty. I didn’t think we’d get Del Rio, I didn’t think we’d draft Von Miller, I didn’t think Tebow was a good pick, I didn’t think we’d get two 2nds for BM and I didn’t think we’d get two 1sts for Voldemort. I could be wrong here too.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Oh no....don't worry.
Not too harsh. I just wanted to assert that I thought Connor was entirely reasonable. That’s all. I would admit all of my faults too, but it would take way too long.
Would you be opposed to resigning Wood and trading him for Connor?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I'm not opposed
to Connor at all. Or re-signing Woodyard. Whatever they want. I just stated that I think Rivera will re-sign Connor.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Nice work mate. Always enjoy the read!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
great work pal...
It’s actually realistic and practical… more doable, not a flashy one but realistic.
In a world where only the strong survives... we just double our strength.
Resign Prater And Bunkley!!
Pls pls pls…. and pick up a good TE in free agency… like a finley or fred davis
I was looking again swg
and it is a very nice mock. I love those first two.
I have a hard time though with the trade up. First off, what team does that? Gives us a 3rd for a 4th and 5th. Second, for a WR? Fast, small WRs are a dime a dozen. Hell there are Pro Bowl ones that might make it to FA this year. There are guys that will go undrafted all together. You really couldn’t choose between Pierce and Wright? Forget Wright. Get a WR in the 4th. I personally think WRs will slide way down from where they are all ranked anyway. WRs and RBs will slide, but that’s just an opinion.
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