The Problems Are Solved. Just Duplicate!
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 8:21 AM MST
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PrintEvery blow out loss! Who did it, and why? Plus, who has what we need? What are the things that the elite teams have that we don't, and why didn't they make it to the SB? Drew Brees broke Dan Marino's single season passing record this year, but he didn't make it.
Clay Mathews gets to sit home during the SB, and wonder why they have 4 QB's on the roster when Aaron Rodgers is considered elite!
The Super Bowl is being held in a town where the "elite" QB didn't even play a down, and yet I'm surprised that he wasn't elected to the Pro-Bowl, just because! You see what happens when "the guy" doesn't show up?
Cam Newton made the Pro-Bowl as a rookie, and so did that other guy from the Bungles, Andy Dalton. I guess that the Pro Bowl is exactly what I thought that it was. A popular group of guys that didn't make the Super Bowl!
It appears that the teams who have solved their problems are playing next Sunday in the Super Bowl, but that doesn't mean that the other teams who "Just Barely Missed", don't have something that we can take from their rosters. That something, is the ability to see what the makeup of a winner is. What exactly do they have that we don't, and why does that add to their success?
Green Bay is who I thought would be playing the Denver Broncos in the SB this year. OKAY! So you caught me in a lie! I never expected us to make it that far, La La Land and all. But, I was surprised that it wasn't Rodgers and Brady in the Big Game! But, why would I not consider that Eli Manning would be there? Consistency!
Tom, Peyton, Drew and Aaron have managed to perfect their craft to the point that everything is now second nature to them. Simple instinct based upon a collected and perfected experience of events that makes what they do now, a PROGRESSION FROM THAT! When I watch those guys work the offense, I see guys who are not struggling to learn, but guys who KNOW this game, and are using their weapons!
Those two elements are the key to succeeding at the position. Experience, and great weapons. So what's new? Nothing. We just aren't there yet at those positions.
Tim Tebow! Add Nausea! Everything that can be said has, but one thing is for certain. He has an intrinsic ability to make the doubters believe, and though i have never doubted, I see what we have in this leader.
He will succeed because of his drive. It isn't JUST that. He's smart. He also studies hard. He's driven. He works his ass off to have the best physical body that he can put on the field. He's driven. He has a desire far beyond what I and you could ever put out there. He's driven. He's smart, and he has John Elway at his back! THAT'S RIGHT! You heard it here first, John has Tim's back!
Here's the BIG deal!
The short passing game. Just look at the stats. Screw the concept that the stats are skewed to make a point! That only happens when it does. Facts are always going to come to the surface, and these are the facts!
Receiving:
Gronk, a TE, got more receptions and TD's than anyone on the Super Bowl Patriots this year. Check his stats on yards after the catch. Who can we get like that?
Look at Jordy Nelson and Greg Jennings in GB. 137 receptions and 24 TD's between them! What's wrong with a duo like that on our team?
Check out the running back for NO! Darren Sproles was the second leading receiver on the team with 86 catches! Is there a reason why WE cannot utilize our backs in this way?
Friends, I'm sorry, but I have a bigger problem with the tallent on the receiving side of the ball than i do with the guy throwing it. The guy throwing it needs to do what he will do this off season to get better, and I have no dobt that he will. I also have no doubt about the fact that My Hero John Elway has his best interests in mind!
And, to those of you who think that there is a conspiracy theory that says that John Elway doesn't want any new kid to break his records, is smothering in a pile of the stuff that always makes you stink the way that you should!
All I'm saying is this. We can take an extensive look at the teams who consistently end the season at, or near, the top. We can derive certain things based upon the analysis, and try to find the equivalent. That is exactly what the Front Office is doing because, after all, THAT'S their job.
I for one, find a lot of solace in the fact that I am confident in the group we have at the top. The guys that we have that will do what we need to get done.
Now, all of you who love to speculate on who we need to draft, and who we need to sign in the free agent mkt., may want to think about who it is based upon what you see is really working. Then think about why those teams who almost made it didn't.
It takes a bit of "Luck?" to get to the final two, and then if you do, "you betta bring the A game!"
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Excellent post 5050
I keep looking at that very thing. What do those guys have that we don’t? I’ll take a harder look at it now and tell you what I come up with.
"There will be no miracles for those who don't believe!" " You can not win without faith!" "Losers doubt, and watch it happen." "Winners believe, and make it happen!"
U go Jackie
when you figure it out let me know! lol…all of the crap I keep seeing about who we should draft, and who we should sign in FA isn’t based on what I see that our comp is beating us with. It’s all about, “Gee, I think this guy is great!” lmao…I think that I’ll go take a harder look at the other teams that are great, and then look at who is available based upon that, vs. just who “MAY BE” the best guy left at a pick spot where NO ONE even knows who will be there at that time! LOL
"Give me 22 Tebows and I'll play all the positions both ways!" "Give me football, or give me football."
There is a lot to learn, and I'm just getting started with it myself.
I just got to thinking about how we all seem to go into a new year without really looking at the last one in terms of the competition and why they did well.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
The biggest thing that I've gotten is..
that it will take two or three more years of great drafts to get there, along with the “Time Spent” in allowing our youth to mature. That is the biggest thing of all. Allowing the young guys who we put our faith in to develop.
Looking at what is working on other teams is what constitutes the every day mentality of the leaders in our organization. This is the “normal” mentality of leaders that will excel in doing what they are hired to do!
"It ain't over till the Te-man says it is!"
True that BWin!
I’m very interested to see what the FO does this year, and then what happens with this group during the off season.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
We already did some notable moves
For example, Ryan Harris is now on the roster…
It could tell us that we ain’t going to draft a T… or that we are sliding Franklin to LG and start him… or that we are going to see Harris being a menthor to Franklin… we just don’t know. But we made a few intereseting moves so far.
This signature was sacked by Von Miller.
I bleed Orange & Blue. GB².
by Fabio Broncos on Jan 30, 2012 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
U R crackin me up but you are doing it and making sense! lol We really don’t know, nor can we know what they may have in mind, at least not at this point! Totally agree. But, it’s going to be fun watching how it all transpires.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, you are exactly right.
We are not going to fix over night something that we spent the last 7 years destroying. After a truly spectacular run of bad drafts and horrible free agent pick ups, we need at the very least two or three more years of good drafts and some key FAs to get back to an elite team level. We have shown that we can win some games and get to the post season, but it takes more than that to be elite. Look at the Jets, who up until this year had strung a couple of winning seasons together along with playoff runs. But does anyone consider them to be elite? Anyone? I don’t know about you, but I for damn sure don’t want to become the next NY Jets. I want to be the next Patriots, Steelers or Packers. You know, the teams that are legitimate championship threats every year.
Never let them see you bleed.
My shit always works sometimes.
by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 31, 2012 7:30 AM MST up reply actions
LOL, man no joke!
When are the peeps in the front office going to grade the teams they face and realize what we need to compete?
"Give me 22 Tebows and I'll play all the positions both ways!" "Give me football, or give me football."
Cam made the Pro bowl...
and so did a lot of popular players who are not going to play next Sunday!
I had to laugh my ass off when I read that one. The Pro Bowl has always been a waste of time. Stopped watching that one a long time ago. Got to have no life, be bored to death, or have nothing BUT football in your life to get into that.
There is better regular local media network stuff to watch!
Give Tim the ball! Do your job! The results will seem magical! It's never to late for Heroics!
by BroncoSmackDown on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 AM MST reply actions
Sure is funny man.
You hear all these guys stumbling over themselves because they didn’t make it, but they did well to just get to the spot they ended up at! Sure beats Indianapolis’ record, and the SB is in their house!
It sucks to be Payton this year.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
Von Miller
Was reason enough for me to watch. He had the only two sacks of the game. Both on Newton. It made me smile! The Broncos were well represented this year.
"Life has no smooth road for any of us; and in the bracing atmosphere of a high aim the very roughness stimulates the climber to steadier steps, till the legend, over steep ways to the stars, fulfills itself."
W. C. Doane
by MTBroncosFan on Jan 30, 2012 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
U bettcha!
Think about that WR that got 3 TD’s, and if BM wasn’t such a BM, we would still love to have him here!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
Make that 4 TD's
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
keep me strait!
That one TD was ridiculousness, laying on his back!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
Turning a bad team into a mediocre team and eventually into a Super Bowl contender is a very enduring and arduous journey.
Players like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady are examples of landing in the right place at the right times. Manning was drafted by the Colts and had an offense built around him to succeed, and they did. When Peyton went down to injury, the team fell apart and now will have to start all over again in the process of rebuilding. It’s hard to find that franchise QB when your continuiously winning 10-11 games a year and selecting in the latter part of the first rd. Some teams have to go from the top to the bottom to get back back up. The Colts have a great chance to do that in the upcomming draft with Andrew Luck, because to be quite honest losing nearly all their games this year was the best thing this team could have done, because being mediocre with Peyton on the sideline and going, say, 6-10 would have left them picking someone less then what they needed…
Aaron Rodgers had the pleasure of learning and developing behind one of the best in the league, in future Hall of Famer Brett Farve. But, the proccess doesn’t make Aaron automatically great, it’s how the Green Bay Packers made choices in the draft and free agency that turned them into SB contenders. Rodgers alone can’t get them there, it takes a team.
Tom Brady was a raw project sitting behind Drew Bledsoe on a team that was primed for success and ready to take that next step to stardom. The unfortunate injury to Drew gave Tom his chance and has never looked back. Now, tell me… if Tom Brady was so great of a prospect, how come nobody else drafted him before when they all had 4-5 chances at him? Great organizations know how to seperate the wheat from the chaff, and New England is that one…Year after year they make sound decisions in the draft and in free agency, complementing the team and continuously rebuilding while having success. Great organizations do that.
The Broncos have been in a funk ever since Mike Shanahan was crowned king and has had a very tough time of recovering from it. I believe the best decision owner Pat Bowlen has done in years was hiring John Elway. Sure there will be bumps and curves in the road back to contention, but I believe the proccess is finally on it’s way. Will it come this season coming up? Don’t get your hopes up, but look for the little surprises that just take you back and make you smile. We’ll get there, it’s just harder than most people believe…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
LOL
Good stuff bfree. I look at the teams, and in particular the Patriots, who have STAYED on top over the last ten years, and that is the whole point of this post. It is what they have done, but not just that.
It is also what they keep doing that makes them stay where they are. It is NOT just a QB that you need, because they will fail without the right compliment of talent around them. They also need the proper scheme based upon that talent to make it all jell at the right time.
Tom Brady may have gotten the “lucky break” that he needed to get into the game, but it isn’t luck that kept him there. It wasn’t JUST the fact that he had a good compliment of talent around him that kept him there either. It was a constant infusion of talent that did it.
THAT, is what we can learn from the Patriot organization. They have used the draft and also have not been afraid to take some risks in free agency to bolster the ranks from time to time.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Drafting Gronk, Hernandez, Wright, et all
is no accident. It is all about player evalutaion. The Patriots are the blueptint our FO should be taking lessons from. But every team, every FO, every coach, think “they” know how to do it, and put it all together……not someone else. What we don’t know is how it will gel, or play out, or arrive at good and great teams….. until after several years.
GB 2
True indeed!
That is the part that I am hoping against all hopes, that John Elway remembers from all of those years of going to the Super Bowl, and being blown out like we didn’t even belong there!
He, if no one else, remembers what it took to win back to back SB’s, and it was TD, and a lot of great Defensive players, that did it for us.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
I have to agree 100%
Good job
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even a little sorry that offends some of you.
"Sure I may be Sophmoric with an illiterates grasp of syntax and sentence structure, but your a big stupidhead" :D
Thanx Bro Joe!
I’m just excited to see how it all plays out during this off season.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
yes the Pats have stayed on top by drafting good and cheating good!
by CenCalBronco on Jan 30, 2012 1:24 PM MST via mobile reply actions
LOL!
I doubt that the trouble they went through for whatever little bit they may have gotten was worth it. Really now. What the heck did they get for all the bad publicity? One win? Two?
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
Love the enthusiasm my man.
It helps keep things interesting even when I know it’s a long ways off before our team sees any meaningful action again. I agree with your points. We know Tim has work to do. Tim knows he has work to do. I’m with you in that Tim is honestly the last thing I’m worried about going forward into next season. I think something that is quite major in my eyes but not getting much press is our retention of Mike McCoy. I’m very glad the Dolphins took the guy from the Packers only because I’m selfish and I want to see our team have some continuity for once, especially on the offense. I think that may well be one of the biggest moves of our off season.
We could certainly use upgrades at WR and TE, as you mentioned, although WR would be a luxury right now IMO. I like what we have with Thomas, Decker, and Royal. I’m not sure what people see in Willis, I don’t see anything particularly special. Fells is a decent TE but none of our TE’s are above average.
One of the best things we can do for our young QB is give him a legit TE. Can you say security blanket? Ask Cam Newton. As of right now, Tim doesn’t have one of those with our current crop of receivers. Maybe J. Thomas and V. Green will pan out, but they were less than impressive when given the chance to play this season. Maybe it’s just me, but it seemed like most times I saw Decker (and D. Thomas to a lesser extent) get a pass thrown their way towards the end of the season their hands were made of stone. If our current guys can cure some of the “dropsies” that plagued them recently and if we can secure that TE I spoke of, I really like our chances going forward in the WR / TE department.
We definitely need to draft another RB. Knowshon isn’t the guy. That was a bad pick. Maybe he can turn into a third down back. Willis, as awesome as he is, can’t do it alone. Heck, he can’t even stay completely healthy himself. I would not mind us using a second round pick on a RB. I like your idea of possibly having a scat back. Yet another quick out type weapon for Tebow. As long as we have some decent speed that can be on the receiving end of Tebow’s scramble passes, there is no telling what this offense will be capable of.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when the Broncos run wild on you!
I like the point of view.
I really want to see what a summer of work can do for the continuity between our receivers group and Tim. It will be a brand new experience for them all!
To actually be able to get a good bit of training in with this Coaching Crew, “without a game coming up on Sunday”, will mean a lot to this group.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
One problem the Broncos need to solve...
is finding ways to “hide” Tebow’s inaccuracy .
The intermediate pass game, which is the bread and butter of most teams with elite quarterbacks, requires incredible accuracy. When everything is rolling this type of offense in almost impossible to stop. But if your quarterback is having a bad day (see Peyton v Playoffs or Brees v. Outside) or your wideouts get a sudden case of the dropsies (Packers Receivers v Sir IsAac Newton) these offenses tend to stop themselves.
Short passes, screens, and check downs to the flats to RBs help hide inaccurate passes because a receiver can adjust to the ball without always having someone in their face. This type of passing game also spreads a defense across the field and gives a skill player with the ball in their hands a chance to rack up the YAC.
Physical TEs and WR are also an inaccurate QBs best friend because they can just outplay the defender for the ball.
Also, whatever happened to the quick pitch that helped TD get 2000 yards? (sweeps and end-arounds too). Maybe it’s just me…but it has to be a heck of a lot easier to throw an accurate ball when you aren’t running for your life because one of the 9 guys crashing the line to stop the run up the middle gets through before you can set your feet.
by Respectable_Ski_Bum on Jan 30, 2012 3:01 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Good points.
There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 30, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
I have been calling for the quick pitch.
It’s gone I’m afraid. Must’ve been a zone blocking thing.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I'm looking for all of that creativity to come back. ;o)
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
Yes there are...
and a lot more that can be entered into the fun and games once these guys get to know each other! ;o)
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
Yep.
I loved that post the other day about all the plays we can have once we have some practice time together.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
True that!
Same here! I’m just pumped to actually be interested in the summer program for once in a long time. Not that all the drama last year didn’t catch my interest. It’s just to see some actual improvement, a step up, so to speak.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
And an answer LOL
If we suck on offense next year we have no excuses. At least in my book we don’t.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I dont think it is so much as looking at other teams
and what they are doing or what they have. I am 100% confident in my belief that talent evaluation is the key to any successful franchise. Being able to spot that diamond in the rough consistently in the later rounds and even in the later part of the first round. This is what makes all those perennial playoff teams exactly that. Knowing which players with which skill sets will work within their system to get the best results from that athlete. Unfortunately for the Broncos we had a coach who lost that talent (Shanny) and turned the roster into one busted draft after another. Then the McD experiment set us back some more, but at least a few of his drafts netted us some talent. The jury is still out on the EFX first draft, some good some bad, but I will wait another year or two to pass judgement on that. But we do have a solid core of young guys to start building around which is still better than a few other teams can say at this point :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
It's a jury that is still out...
and is going to be for a few more years. But we can tell a lot more every year that it plays out.
I agree that it takes time to develop the talent pool. That’s why we need patience. I feel good about the first “partial” year that we’ve had. I just hope that given an off season to teach, and an influx of even more talent that we keep improving from year to year as we should.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 30, 2012 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
Rec'd. This is EXACTLY what I've been saying since the season ended for us.
The Saints, Pats, Giants, and Pack always have an arsenal of weapons on offense and draft extremely well. Exactly why I want to draft another receiver (but not too high, 3rd should be about right), and Chris Rainey to use in the Sproles Role, as I like to call it. Great post.
Thanx b7...
I’m happy so far with the first EFX year of selections and maneuvers. I hope that it continues to be good. Picking 2nd did give us a great advantage, and 25th or whatever slot we are in is a long way down, but anytime you can grab one of the top 32 players out of college you aught to do some good. here’s hoping that all the picks pan out and we are able to grab a few good men from the FA Pool.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jan 31, 2012 2:58 AM MST up reply actions
Heck yes he does bro!!!
John has Tim’s back!
Do people really expect the mighty Duke to fawn over a 2nd year pro at any position? Elway loves Tim, but he’s not going to hand him the keys to the kingdom just yet. Tim has much more to learn and to improve upon… Elway knows he will. Elway also knows that Tim thrives in a competitive environment…. so…. why hail him as the Duke #2 just yet?
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Patience my friend.... patience
now…. having said that… I agree we are missing some of the “pieces.” But… Julius Thomas WILL grow as a football player (he could be Shannon Sharpe reborn), and Decker/Thomas are just now entering their 3rd years as pro’s (a lot of that time for DT was spent injured, so he’s basically just a 2nd year pro).
We do need the Darren Sproles back though…. Knowshon is a great receiver out of the backfield, but no RB on the team has the speed/burst needed for the homerun play. This is something to look for in the draft. We need a McCluster. Lamar Miller would be a better choice IMO, cause he makes up for a little less speed with some size and strength. From what I hear though, he won’t last till our pick. Never know though.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Patience is something I have time for ;o)
It’s the key ingredient that I hope is used heavily in our recipe for success.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
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