Where Are They Now? 2000 NFL Draft Edition
by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM MST
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1. First Round, 15th overall: Deltha O'Neal, Cornerback, California
Deltha O'Neal, by all accounts at that time, was a great pick. He was an All-Pro in 2001 and really helped the Broncos in the return game. He wasn't a great corner, but he could hold his own. O'Neal's career as a Bronco ended on draft day 2004, when he was packaged along with two other picks for the Cincinnati Bengals' first round pick.
He signed with the Houston Texans in camp in 2009, but that turned out to be it for his NFL career.
2. Second Round, 40th overall: Ian Gold, Linebacker, Michigan
Gold played four years with the Broncos before becoming a free agent in 2004, where he signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. After a short stint with the Bucs, Gold re-signed with Denver from 2005-2007 and was a big part of the 2005-06 defenses that were among the best in the NFL.
He was a Pro Bowl selection in 2001, and finished his career with 491 tackles, 17 sacks, and four interceptions.
Since retiring, Gold has started both IP2G.com and WhatAreKidsSaying.com., and is now traveling the country spreading the gospel of Christ.
3. Second Round, 45th overall: Kenoy Kennedy, Safety, Arkansas
Kenoy Kennedy is best known for his hit on Chris Chambers that basically changed the face of the NFL, and how players can no longer lead with their helmet to hit defenseless offensive players. He played five seasons with the Broncos from 2000 to 2004.
Kennedy was actually a pretty good pick by the Broncos, and he finished his career in Detroit. He was productive in both cities, finishing his career with 536 tackles, six sacks, seven forced fumbles, and 10 interceptions.
4. Third Round, 70th overall: Chris Cole, Wide Receiver, Texas A&M
Chris Cole was a speedy receiver who wasn't actually very good at playing receiver, but he was a heck of a punt returner. That was on display in 2001 when he was third in the league with a 23.5 yard punt return average.
He was with the Broncos from 2000-2003, and spent time trying to make the rosters of Oakland and Jacksonville before winding up in Canada and the Arena Football League. He then returned to Texas A&M to pursue a degree in sociology.
5. Fourth Round, 101st overall: Jerry Johnson, Defensive Tackle, Florida State
Johnson didn't play his rookie season and played nine games in 2001, recording five tackles, but that's really the only information I can find on him past his days at Florida State. He was a smaller defensive tackle who was one of the anchors for Florida State's late-90's teams.
6. Fourth Round, 112th overall: Cooper Carlisle, Offensive Guard, Florida
Carlisle has actually had a pretty good NFL career. Among the picks made prior to him, he is the only player still actually in the NFL. He played for the Broncos from 2000-2006, and was part of some of those dominant offensive lines that paved the way for various different thousand yard backs, including Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, Olandis Gary, Rueben Droughns, etc.
He has played for the Oakland Raiders since 2007 and remains part of the roster today. He's a very solid, veteran starter who gets the job done and lives in California with his family in the offseason.
7. Fifth Round, 154th overall: Muneer Moore, Wide Receiver, Richmond
According to Moore's LinkedIn profile, he is currently a Senior Player Services Manager at the NFL Players Association. Not a bad title for a guy who didn't actually see the field in the NFL after being a fifth round pick of the Denver Broncos.
Moore resides in Washington, D.C., and also spent a short stint with the New York Jets before being a coach at Richmond.
8. Sixth Round, 189th overall: Mike Anderson, Running Back, Utah
Mike Anderson doesn't get enough credit for all he really overcame to be as good as he was in the NFL for as long as he was.
The offensive rookie of the year was 27 years old in his rookie season, and ran for 1,487 yards and 15 touchdowns, averaging five yards per carry. He had some injury plagued seasons in between his next thousand yard campaign, but darn it it came again in 2005 after he missed the entire 2004 season.
In 2005, he ran for 1,014 yards and 12 touchdowns, helping the Broncos get to the AFC Championship with one of the most dominating ground games in team history. He finished his career as a fullback with the Baltimore Ravens after the 2005 season, getting released in 2008 and ending his NFL career.
So what gives? Why talk about these guys? Well, these were the eight guys the Denver Broncos selected prior to Tom Brady's selection with the 199th pick in the 2000 NFL Draft. These were eight of the 198 who were picked instead of the former Michigan quarterback.
Six other quarterbacks were selected before Tom Brady: Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Marc Bulger, and Spergeon Wynn.
Tom's teammates from Michigan selected before him: Ian Gold, Aaron Shea, Josh Williams, and Dhani Jones.
The Broncos weren't the only team who missed out, and who knows what cards fate would have dealt if Tom Brady were the top pick in the draft like he should have been. It's just interesting me to take a look back and see what fuels the league's best quarterback every single day he wakes up and goes to work.
Nearly 12 years later, Tom Brady is still slinging it better than any quarterback in the league, making more of an impact and giving more value than any draft pick in NFL history.
The 199th overall pick in the 2000 NFL Draft. Passed up on by all 31 NFL teams. At least the Houston Texans were able to save face.
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Not a bad draft in the short term
Kennoy, Gold, Anderson, Cooper all had good short term careers in Denver. I really don’t remember Deltha O’neal’s 2001 season because i was in middle school lol
he wasn't bad
he suffered the same fate so many others have (Robert Ayers, Knowshon), in that he was picked too high for his production. If O’Neil was a 2nd rounder, no one would have complained. But alas, he wasn’t.
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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
He was very good
He was no Champ, but he was a solid corner for pretty much most of his career. He was good w/Cincy, and good w/Denver. I always liked him. But yeah, like Pale said, a bit of a stretch for a 1st round pick, but still a solid player. Not a #1 shutdown corner, but a good #2. I would have him as our #2 if he was in his prime today.
That is actually one heck of a draft
I didn’t pay much attention to football (I think I was 9 or 10 at the time) but I recognize more than half those names and for good reasons too.
And now for something completely different
I know my history
I might only be 20 but that can’t stop Atwater from being my favorite. I am old enough to remember him play :p
And now for something completely different
I know it's kind of hard to fully assess the 2009 draft...
… but what do you think was the best draft for the Broncos of the 2000-2009 decade?
Personally
I would say either this one or 2006.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
He asked
2000-2009 haha, but yes, 2010 I’d agree was GREAT
by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 31, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
Its gotta be 2006
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
There isnt many good ones to choose from sadly though
so 06 and this one are the best by default
by Scotty Payne on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
Wide receiver
Shannahan couldn’t hit on d line or wide receivers as I remember it. A running back definitely
I think it was less about who was running
And more about the scheme they ran.
Anyone remember the little guy that went off against the colts? Quentin something or other.
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Quentin Griffin
Ran for 156+2 TDs in debut game vs. KC.
Later cut from both NFL Europe and the CFL.
System bruh, all system
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Griffin did blow out his knee on a kick return with us.
So that might be part of why he regressed so much.
I agree, SYSTEM
In Shanny/Kubiak’s system, you could run for 1000 yrds w/me blocking. Or vice versa. Really, someones grandmother could be a 1000yd back in that system.
But Shanny I feel like couldn’t draft a d line to save his life. The Super Bowl teams he inherited Trevor Pryce (Who barely played on the first SB team), Tractor Trailer was a FA along w/one of my Favorite Broncos, NEIL SMITH, and Maa was also inherited. Not much if any of those linemen had little to do w/Shanahan.
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
Nah, it was griffin
16 games played total
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 3:48 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
so true... you remember correctly
Here’s a list of the crappy Wide Outs: Triandos Luke ~ Darius Watts ~ Adrian Madise ~ Ashley Lelie (what happened to him… he looked like a keeper) ~ Herb Haygood ~ Chris Cole ~ Muneer Moore ~ Leroy Fields ~ Patrick Jeffers ~ Travis McGriff ~ Chad Plummer ~ Marcus Nash.
Crappy D-Lineman under Shanny: Mark A. Campbell ~ Montae Reagor ~ Jerry Johnson ~ Paul Toviessi ~ Monsanto Pope ~ Dorsett Davis ~ Nick Eason ~ Bryant McNeal ~ Aaron Hunt ~ Clint Mitchell ~ Jarvis Moss ~ Tim Crowder ~ Carlton Powell.
Good WR’s from Shanny’s regime (I mean just Shanny): Brandon Marshall ~ Domenik Hixon ~ Eddie Royal ~ Kevin Kasper???
Good D-Lineman: Trevor Pryce ~ David Bowens ~ Reggie Hayward ~ Elvis Dumervil ~ Marcus Thomas (and even he’s not really good… what has he ever done for this team?).
So, in conclusion, it looks like you’re right. Shanny was so bad at drafting DLineman, I think he basically gave up on the idea. He did hit one out the park with Doom though…. Trevor Pryce too.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I still can't believe he let Hayward and Pryce walk. Then replaced them with the browns d-linemen.
It was a combination of letting talent walk away and poor drafting of defensive players—as well as free agent signings— that lead to Shanhan being fired. Also he fired the 2005 d-cordinator that won a super bowl the following year with the colts. We talk about McDainels doing a number on the broncos, but Shanhan didn’t do the broncos many favors from 06-08.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 31, 2012 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
Shanny hit on one and half Wide Receivers, the recent MVP of the Pro Bowl and Ashley Lelie wasn’t horrible
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
If Ashley would've accepted his role
Our offense would have continued being scary for a few more years. Teams dealing with the running game, Captain Rod, the occasional Jeb Putzier sighting, and Snake rolling out — all combined with Shanny’s and Kubiak’s play designs — sprung Lelie for so many huge plays. He led the NFL in yards per catch 2 (or 3) seasons in a row, didn’t he?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
04 and 05 he led the league in yards per reception
That being said, he only had one season with more than 2 TDs and he played in the league for 7 years
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 1, 2012 7:31 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is weird
I hate the concept of what ifs…
Who the hell know how Tom Brady would have been if he had been drafted by any other team including us? There are usually a lot of factors going into someone’s success. Maybe Tom Brady wouldn’t have been Tom Brady if he didn’t have Belichick.
There are plenty of ruined qbs who had the potential to be elite. Things just didn’t work out for them. Take Tebow too for that matter. Imagine if we had benched him after the Lions performance without even giving a chance. History would have been different. Let’s not focus on other QBs and focus on improving the one we have now that we know he has enough potential.
by Bartimaeus on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Belichick wouldn't be Belichick without Tom Brady
What if is tricky. Belichick bombed as HC in Cleveland and blossomed as HC in Boston. His success with Brady is not unlike Shanahan’s success with Elway. As a sidelight, its interesting to note that Brady followed Brian Griese as QB at Michigan, getting the starting nod after Griese graduated and after battling Drew Henson for the job, who then followed Brady as Michigan QB. Maybe Denver just didn’t want to go back to Michigan for a QB after Griese, though I liked Griese’s grit especially in the Raiders game where he played with an injury (dislocated shoulder?).
If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.
by OrangeandBluesBros on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Belichick
is the constant in all. Cleveland was an aberration. Parcells, for example, is up for HOF this year. Dude was a sub 500 coach with no playoff wins without Belichick on his staff. Belichick was there for the whole Giant run and ran his defenses for both SBs. Didn’t win a playoff game with Pats until Belichick’s only year running D in 96 when they played in SB. Jets? AFC title game in 98 with Belichick running D. How’d Bill do with Dallas? As GM of Dolphins? How’s Belichick doing with Pats? ’Nuff said.
by KansasBronco on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
How's Belichick as a head coach
Without Brady?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
that's the spirit!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
Yup, Anderson was in the Marine Corps
Which is why he was so old as a rookie.
I always liked him.
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 11:49 AM MST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
Love him
my buddy lived in the same apt. complex with him and Jarious Jackson (remember him? QB from Notre Dame?), and said Mike Anderson was a delight to know. Just a good hearted, Christian man.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Who was suspended for weed. Got to watch that Hypocrisy.
" Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked" -Psalm 1
"God tolerates even our stammering, and pardons our ignorance whenever something inadvertently escapes us – as, indeed, without this mercy there would be no freedom to pray." -- John Calvin
by JohnCalvinKnox on Jan 31, 2012 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
Good thing for you
that God “pardons our ignorance whenever something inadvertently escapes us” as your sig points out.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
Or that this isn't highschool
And anyone with half a brain knows weed is not some devil plant, and has around the same if not less health consequences of drinking alcohol.
http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/
Oh and this is a football website, so how about we stick to football discussion
by MILEHIGHMILLER on Feb 1, 2012 7:27 AM MST up reply actions
That being said.....
Mike Anderson, was one of the most underrated Denver Bronco’s running back of all time. I also like he was a key contributor in binning back the Mile High Salute
by MILEHIGHMILLER on Feb 1, 2012 7:30 AM MST up reply actions
I don't mind them
talking about the Marines, Christians, or weed. Considering they were referring to a Bronco. I’m just not cool with character assassination. Especially from a fellow brother.
Anderson played like a grown man, and the mile high salute was extra sweet when he did it.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
by chikndnnr on Feb 1, 2012 8:29 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't Gold on the Ravens not the Bucs before he came back?
I think he won a uperbowl there before coming back.
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Nope, Bucs
As per wikipedia (most reliable site on the net…)
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 12:07 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Because everyone can contribute.
I know I pretty much effed up the quote but Hey I tried eh!
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My memory is just as good as Wikipedia
and I remember Ian Gold the Buccaneer, want proof?
, here he is using pewter power to take down a New Orleans Saint, Aaron Stecker, I believe
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
This pic is not really proof.
But I stand corrected.
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Yeah he went to the Bucs
Sharpe went the Ravens and won a SB then came back i think
by Scotty Payne on Jan 31, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
Sharpe Went to Baltimore and then came back 2 years later.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Nope Buccaneers
Shanny traded him there for one year, then brought him back. Ian Gold seemed like he was never the same after that transaction.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Injury
You are right, Pale, that Gold was never the same after coming back from Tampa, but I think it was due to injury, which caused him to retire, not any psychological thing due to the trade.
If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.
by OrangeandBluesBros on Jan 31, 2012 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
Neck injury
I believe Gold had a neck injury that was either the main reason we let him go, or that the Bucs let him go. Don’t recall the timeline, exactly.
I hope Ryan Harris is our next Ian Gold.
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OK so Tom Brady is God, I get it
what if the Giants smack him around Sunday, will that change his legacy? The Patriots won championships because Vinatieri can make field goals, if Cundiff wasn’t so anti-clutch, this would be Giants-Ravens
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 12:11 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Dude, no offense, but that comment is pure garbage! Tom Brady is a great QB, arguably the GOAT. You want to sit there and say that Vinatieri is the reason they won SBs? That’s trash. If, IF Cundiff makes the field goal, that game goes to OT, it’s not automatically Giants-Ravens.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 31, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
The Patriots are frauds
and you cannot look at me in the face and say Spygate does not play a role in those championships, how much, we’ll never know, it is rather dubious that all other great teams in NFL history won their championships by more than a field goal and yet, New England won all of them by 3, no offense taken. A more pressing question is how many championships have the Pats won (they’re not winning Sunday, the Giants are more clutch than the Ravens naturally) since the Spygate revelations emerged. The Pats were better than us but I remember after the AFC Championship Game, Cowher said they were doing it with smoke and mirrors. Brady is an all-time great, but there are other QBs I’d take over him
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
and the way the Ravens' defense was playing
when it mattered most and with how turnover-prone Brady was, I am quite confident the Ravens would have prevailed in OT had it come to that. Baltimore always was the better team, they just didn’t execute when it mattered most and New England did, kind of like our Super Bowl teams in the late 80s that the Skins and Niners destroyed
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Not to beat a dead horse
But doesn’t “executing when it matters most” figure into who is the better team?
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- Sun Tzu
I concede that point to you
but for the most part, Baltimore played a better game and really cheated themselves, when you have Bill Cowher saying you’re doing things with smoke and mirrors, who am I to argue?
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 PM MST up reply actions
Fair point.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Brady is great but to say he is the goat is impossible to back up the rules today are so qb and offense friendly
by always broncs on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
absolutely
that’s why I still favor Marino, at least as the best I’ve seen, Peyton is not that far off from Marino if you look at the entire body of work, but yes, Peyton has benefited from rules Marino did not, I remember the NFL in the 80s, cornerbacks could mug wideouts pretty much whenever they wanted, it’s just a different era
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
Brady
Uh, Sayre, no way. Brady is like Joe Montana in that the System is largely responsible for his success.
If we drafted Brady 12 years ago, he might have been decent, but he isn’t considered one of the best QB’s in history (I don’t think he is in the top-5, anyway).
Oh, I thought the Pats won championships because they cheated?!?!
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
Other than Cole, Johnson and Moore, that was a pretty darn good draft
Deltha O’Neil never became the end all of Corners, but he was a good one for a good while. He enjoyed a couple good years with the Pats too.
Kennedy was better than any Safety on our roster now (not named Dawkins).
Ian Gold was at beast level for a few years… the combo of him, Al Wilson, a young DJ Williams, and John Mobley was fearsome. It was one of the fastest, fiercest LB cores in all of football.
Carlisle had some good years here in the zone block… he’s still a decent player.
Mike Anderson (rookie of the year) is one of my all time favorite Broncos. He still had a couple good years in him when Shanahan stupidly let him go to Baltimore. He was a HUGE reason for our 2005 success. I also have no clue why we didn’t run him more when Portis was here. I would have never thrown the ball (Mike McCoy… ok…. really…. Brian Greise will make you not want to). Why did the Marine spend so much time at FB with those running skills?
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
the same argument can be made for Le'Ron McClain
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
absolutely bro!
great comparison.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 31, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
That combination of LBs
Made me want to weep for joy. Of all the careers that have been cut short by injury, don’t John Mobley and Al Wilson just break your heart? Think of what could have been….
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
I thought it was on NFL Network?
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
It was
And it nearly made me root for Brady… Nearly…
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 4:45 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think most of us are missing the point
With all of the mocks, scouting, combines, numbers and statistics that come with the offseason, nobody really knows how that player will perform in the NFL until they step out on the field. To me, it is a reminder that the 6th round guy has just as much potiential as the first rounder. Some of our greatest players were undrafted. The real work for EFX in the offseason isn’t who they choose in the first round, it’s who they get in the last rounds.
Shannon Sharpe and Terrell Davis
were both found near the bottom of the barrel, you know the rest
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
I swear, if you don’t draft a QB, WR, DL, or a CB in the first round your good, those positions seem to flame out at a way higher rate
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
if you have a franchise QB
available for drafting and you let him go, you’ll regret it but it’s so hard to know. Can you believe that in 1998 the draft gurus thought Ryan Leaf would be better than Peyton Manning? It boggles the mind at this stage, but overall you have some really good points
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
I wonder
what the average draft position is for all active players. I’d be shocked if it is higher than the 4th round.
by rollinthunder on Jan 31, 2012 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
sounds like a nice idea for a story, any takers?
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
It would most likely be lower than that...
There are only 32 1st round picks every year and there are soooo many more depth players who go undrafted that make rosters as special teams players year in and year out. A better study would be to calculate the average draft position of pro-bowl players since 2000, I would say that the average there would be about the 4th round. If you exclude QBs from the study, possibly much lower!
Tebow is the Future.
I throw down the gauntlet to you
Don Quixote-style, go write a study please!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
Haha, god im faaaaar too lazy for that....
I think ill just sit on my excellent comment and rest assured that im probably correct in my analysis based on absolutely nothing other than gut feeling and general knowledge of the league :-)
ps. If anyone else wants to do the study and give me the results so I can come back with proof to back up my theory id be very grateful. I enjoy being right.
Tebow is the Future.
someone is bound to take the challenge
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 31, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
I got this
Check back later tonight.
But I’m betting that its close to high 3rd low 2nd.
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 4:48 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
My thoughts exactly TiO.C.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Pro Bowl isn't very accurate though
It’s more of a popularity contest than anything. I think the best way to do it would be to look at the first string offense and defense for each team.
by rollinthunder on Jan 31, 2012 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
Excellent idea
If time permits, I’ll try both.
Maybe a sample of 5 random years of PB squads, and 10 random club squads from random years.
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 31, 2012 6:04 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
exactly
Or even maybe not drafted. Let us not forget the IMHO the greatest reciever ever for the broncos.. and IMHO up there as one of the best broncos at any posistion…. Rod Smith. Undrafted… and yet look what he did. He also lived that motto that Tebow likes to use " Hard work will beat out talent, when talent doesnt work hard". Was Smith talented, of course.. but it was his work that propelled him to be elite. This just can prove that it is a very thin line between stardom and failure in the NFL.
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Tim Tebow
there I said it. Just trying to help fill the quota.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
You never know what gem your going to find in the later rds...
It doesn’t happen often, but it does happen, that’s why teams have to be vigilant and study each and every posibility…
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Brady
there would have been no guarantee he would have performed like he has had denver selected him anyways. some people think he’s a system qb. i am a fan of his being from u of m
Miss the days of..
Williams, Gold and Wilson.
Now we have,
Williams, Miller and a gaping hole.
by e_saites on Jan 31, 2012 6:17 PM MST via Android app reply actions
This draft is what Fuels Aaron Rodgers?
I don’t get it.
Playoffs!?!? Playoffs!?!? Don't talk about Playoffs!! Playoffs?!?!
The only guy we can be sure of
The only guy in the history of the NFL who has consistently performed is the 12th guy. No one else can predict how the rest of the players perform.
And thank god the Broncos have the best 12th guy. :D
Interesting post!
It is always fun to look back and see the “Glaring Misses” in picks that no one could have guessed would turn out great. What about Rod Smith? (stats) We looked brilliant with that one, and yet you can’t really call the other guys stupid.
It took many years of very consistent play (11,737 yds. of combined offense) for that pick to show it’s value. 1995 through 06’, and an un-drafted free agent at that. That was a year where we only got 4 picks. They were (in order) Ken Brown, Phil Yeboah-Kodie, Terrell Davis, Steve Russ, and even Davis wasn’t a first rounder, but O’Niel was? Funny how things eventually work out, given the time it takes for it all to play out.
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