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The State of the Roster (Offense)

Well, I believe I’ve finally waited long enough following the end of the NFL season in order to more objectively evaluate the state of the Denver Broncos roster. I’ve decided to partition the final result into two parts: now the offense and later the defense. Don’t think that I’m ignoring special teams – or the Forgotten Third, as I like to call them – by not including them in this breakdown: I just think it’s fair to say that we’re pretty well set with Matt Prater as our kicker and Britton Colquitt as our punter for many years to come (I’ll address the return game within my discussion of the offense and defense). I think it’s fair to say that the 2011-12 season was a successful one for our beloved Orange and Blue, but I doubt many would disagree with me when I also say that there is much work to be done before we truly return to the level of play we all desire.

I look forward to seeing just how much our evaluations of the current roster differ and how our own plans of action to improve it vary in the comments section below. As always, I thank you all for reading my work and I hope that you take the time to chime in on our conversation in the comments as well. Please follow me below the jump and we’ll get started. Go Broncos!

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Quarterback

I believe in Tim Tebow. I think he can lead the Denver Broncos back to championship contention. I know that he has to improve in order to return us to professional football’s Promised Land, but he’s earned the opportunity to try. Whether or not Dove Valley agrees with that assessment will be revealed by how they address the back-up quarterback position this offseason. If they believe in Tim Tebow, then they will acquire someone that fits one of the following two descriptions: (1) a cheap veteran who has made the transition from scrambler to pocket passer to mentor Tim, (2) an affordable, young, viable spread option signal-caller to serve as insurance in case Tebow is injured. Both of those choices would signal that the franchise is committed to Tim Tebow as their quarterback and that they are willing to stick with him through any growing pains as he develops as a passer. The second alternative includes the added benefit of allowing the spread option to permeate the offense at every level, as I have already advocated for.

If the front office instead chooses to invest considerable resources in another quarterback, if that player is in the more traditional mold, or if he is in fact intended to compete for the starting job, then they will have undermined Tebow and it would be in everyone’s best interest to end their relationship as soon as possible. Since taking over, the Broncos’ new management has really mucked things up whenever anyone in the administration has spoken out about the quarterback position. Actions speak louder than words, however, so their final say with regard to Tim Tebow will be expressed in the form of whatever new quarterback is brought into Denver next. My most fervent hope is that they use this opportunity to end, once and for all, the quarterback controversy that has embroiled our beloved franchise for far too long now.

Cheap veteran free agents: Donovan McNabb, David Garrard and Mark Brunell

Viable spread option back-ups: Vince Young, Dennis Dixon, Josh Johnson and Chase Daniel

Late round draft prospects: Darron Thomas and Russell Wilson

Running Back

The Denver Broncos featured the NFL’s most prolific rushing attack and sent their lead back to the Pro Bowl, so it may come as a bit surprise to some that I believe that the position is in desperate need of an overhaul. The resurgent Willis McGahee is already 30 years old and he has a history of serious injury in his past. The injury-prone Knowshon Moreno has struggled to stay on the field for the Broncos and just hasn’t lived up to expectations when he has been healthy. Lance Ball and Jeremiah Johnson did the best they could when thrust into action, but neither promises much potential beyond that of spot duty. Mario Fannin is a question mark at best, and unlikely the answer we seek at this key position. Does anyone seriously expect any of these players to remain in Denver past their current contract, or contribute significantly to the next championship team there?

The key to a successful rushing attack isn’t necessarily star quality, but rather solid quantity. Whether or not the Broncos chose to embrace the full potential of the spread option attack, or even continue to employ it alongside a more traditional pro-style offense as they did last season, there is a serious need for upgraded depth at running back. Some combination of speed backs and bruisers is required to maximize the potential of the position, and thankfully there are plenty of options for both available in free agency and through the draft. I would like to see at least one of each brought to Denver this offseason, to expand the rotation and protect against injuries. Just to be clear, I believe we should keep McGahee and Moreno for the time being, but replace the rest with improvements that could eventually step up to the more prominent rolls currently belonging to Willis and Knowshon respectively.

Veteran speed backs: Jerious Norwood and Steve Slaton

Speed back draft prospects: LaMichael James and Chris Rainey

Veteran power backs: Michael Bush, Mike Tolbert, Owen Schmidt and Jacob Hester

Power back draft prospects: Bernard Pierce and Tauren Poole

Wide Receiver

The Broncos have been fortunate at the wide receiver position, in that they’ve extracted at least some significant value from nearly all of their investments at the position recently. There is still a lot of untapped potential and youth throughout the depth chart, but the flashes shown need to become more consistent fires if this corps is going to take the next step in its evolution. Flankers like Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas are both good fits for the spread option because of their blocking and occasional big-play ability, but they need to rediscover the consistency that maximized their efficiency in college. They would also do quite well in a more traditional offense as well, so I have no concerns about at least the top two spots in the WR depth chart.

Eddie Royal has become an unexpected lightning rod of sorts among the fan base. The upcoming free agent has supporters that insist the Broncos keep him and detractors that would like to see him gone from Denver. I won’t be heartbroken if he leaves, but I would like for him to stay. If he really buys into it, then I think he can excel as the motion receiver in the spread option. And if the Broncos move away from that attack, then we’ve already seen how effective he can be in a more traditional offense. He’s also an explosive return man that could really take to those duties thanks to a lower volume passing game in the spread option.

I really don’t mind Matt Willis as depth, but in a spread offense he’d likely be on the field too often as our fourth best wide receiver. D’Andre Goodwin and Mark Bell do nothing for me and I’d rather not even consider them in this calculus. Ideally, we’d bring in another player just like Eddie Royal to line up on the other slot in symmetric formations and a true vertical threat to add an extra layer to overloaded formations. I don’t think either of those merits much investment, however. Yet again, I think what the Broncos should be looking for is quality depth, and let the current prospects develop along side of that.

Free agent deep threats: Devin Aromashodu

Deep threat draft prospects: Jarius Wright, Joe Adams, Devon Wylie and T.J. Graham

Free agent slot/motion wide receivers: Andre Caldwell

Slot/Motion wide receiver draft prospects: T.Y. Hilton, Eric Page and Marquis Maze

Tight End

Just as much as 2011-12 will be remembered as the Year of the Quarterback, I think that the most memorable and significant aspect of this past NFL season was the tight end explosion. What Shannon Sharpe started all those years ago in our beloved Orange and Blue finally came to its fullest fruition: the inherent match-up problems of highly athletic and skilled tight ends dominated the professional landscape. The league’s best offenses featured at least one impressive target at the position, yet the Broncos lagged behind.

The dire need was seen by Denver’s front office last offseason, and attempts were made to address it. Two draft picks were selected, and two free agents were signed. The overhaul, however, left much to be desired. The rookies Virgil Green and Julius Thomas failed to earn much playing time despite competing against journeymen veterans Daniel Fells and Dante Rosario. None of them provided the sort of receiving threat to challenge defenses, nor did they offer the sort of blocking capabilities to overlook that deficiency. Much was done, but the need remains. I could see the addition of a high profile free agent or an early draft pick, but I think we can all agree that something has to be done at the position. The soon-to-be NFL sophomores need to step up their game, because this offense will not achieve its full potential so long as a key component like the tight end position is occupied by mediocrity.

Free agent targets: Joel Dreessen

Draft prospects: Dwayne Allen, Colby Fleener, Orson Charles and Michael Egnew

Offensive Line

It’s most fun to talk about the so-called "skilled positions", but football games are won and lost in the trenches. The Broncos offense is in pretty good shape up front when it comes to the starters, though the weaker links really stand out because of the excellence of the others. Tackle Ryan Clady and guard Chris Kuper have been among the best in the NFL at what they do and they’re finally getting the recognition they deserve for it. Meanwhile, tackle Orlando Franklin struggled in his rookie season, and second year players Zane Beadles at guard and J.D. Walton at center didn’t exactly set the world on fire either. The depth behind the starters – save the possible exception of Ryan Harris – is nothing to write home about. I think this provides an opportunity.

I believe it was the Philadelphia Eagles that articulated what I believe to be the soundest summary for solid roster building in the NFL that I’ve heard to date: find your quarterback, protect that quarterback, and get after the other teams’ quarterbacks. No matter who the Broncos quarterback will be – now and in the future – committing resources to the offensive line in front of him will always be a solid investment. I think that bringing in players that can challenge the likes of Franklin, Beadles, and Walton would be a very good thing to do. Whether the incumbents hold off the newcomers or they are eventually replaced by them, the starting unit would ultimately be better and the depth would be dramatically improved. I understand the camp that believes we should simply allow for the current starters to develop as individuals and gel as a group, so I wouldn’t be all that upset if the franchise is not as aggressive as I would like them to be in bringing in offensive linemen this year, but I think it’s an approach that would pay the most dividends should we choose to take it.

Free agents: Ben Grubbs, Chris Myers and Jared Gaither

Draft prospects: Nate Potter, Kevin Zeitler and Michael Brewster

Conclusion

All in all, I think our offensive starters are mostly solid right now and they have tremendous upside at key places throughout. The lack of depth is a concern, and thankfully something we can aggressively address this offseason without committing to many resources to the overhaul. The franchise has a fundamental question to answer on this side of the ball that will dictate how that ultimate transformation will take shape: how much of the spread option will they incorporate into the offense? As I have said before, I believe they’re in a unique position to move all-in with the spread option and reap the considerable rewards of being at the cutting edge of the next potential innovation in the NFL. Regardless, I think the above analysis would fit a more traditional offense as well with but minor tweaking, so I hope people don’t get too tied up in that aspect of my evaluation. We have a great deal to be hopeful about, but there is much work yet to do in order to unlock that promise.

I hope you enjoyed this breakdown of our beloved Denver Broncos offensive roster and that you’ll be inspired to comment in the section below. That is why I publish on Mile High Report: to interact with the wealth of bright Broncos fans that constitute the membership of this site. I’ll post my thoughts on the defensive side of the ball sooner rather than later, but I don’t have an exact date in mind as of yet. Anyway, without further ado: go Broncos!

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I'd like to see us sign Jeff Garcia.

Amazing QB.

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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.

by Zac Man on Jan 31, 2012 5:36 PM MST reply actions  

He'll turn 42 next month. Ya why not LOL...

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 31, 2012 6:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I Was Thinking...

I’d love to see Randall Cunningham in the ol’ Orange and Blue! ;)

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Anybody else sick of seeing these "Delocated" ads with the guy in his tighty-whities????

"Mr. President, call in the National Guard! Send as many men as you can spare! Because we are killing the Patriots! They need emergency help!"

by bronco-Maine-iac on Feb 3, 2012 7:23 AM MST up reply actions  

What?

Where?

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 7:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes! Totally disgusting

At least we got rid of that Nyquill ad that had a jackass start yelling everytime you rolled over it. I would just get the grand kids put down for their nap and that jerk would start yelling and i would wake them up. I don’t care if I have one foot in the grave, i will never buy one ounce of Nyquill. Or Dayquill or any other kined of quill.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Feb 3, 2012 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

"find your quarterback, protect that quarterback, and get after the other teams’ quarterbacks."

QB-check
OL-not bad
pass rushers-need some

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by Digger24 on Jan 31, 2012 6:15 PM MST reply actions  

Find your quarterback, protect your quarterback, get after other teams quarterback.

QB- Manning
OL- Grubbs
Pass Rushers- Williams

Let’s sign em up!
Only about 30 mil in cap space needed.

by e_saites on Jan 31, 2012 6:33 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Did you see his special today,

He seemed very confident that he’ll play next season.
Anyway that comment was just a bit of sarcasm.

by e_saites on Jan 31, 2012 6:42 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Peyton

My money is on the elder Manning taking another year off and maybe returning to the league in a different uniform following next season

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by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 9:01 PM MST up reply actions  

No, Yes, and Yes

I have a great deal of respect for Peyton Manning, but I’d love to see Denver stick with Tebow right now. Grubbs would be a great addition, and Mario Williams is certainly a guy that can improve almost any team!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I got him free.

As did a couple of mocks this week. I just hope Fox and our new defensive minded influence on him got it. The great part is he goes by more than one name.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Jan 31, 2012 7:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Who Are You Guys Thinking Of?

I’m really curious, guys: quit being so secretive!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

One of the 3 or 4 DTs that will be there at #25.

Brockers is the latest fling.

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by Digger24 on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah

I’m still partial to Devon Still, but who can say no to an SEC stud?!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Read you wrong...

sort of. DE in the 1st. I believe you are right, that that is what EFX wants, I just don’t see them though. Jared Crick?

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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I've talked with an avid Husker fan about Crick (because I like him too) and he thinks he would be a better fit in a 3/4 defense like JJ Watt.

This draft class isn’t bursting at the sims at the DE like last year and there are only a few with first round grades…Coples, Upshaw, Ingram and Mercilus in that order I believe. There is a lighter Andre Branch down the list and I’ll be watching him in the Combines for explosiveness. I love Mercilus, but with him you get one year of production sort of like Ayers was at Tennessee. Maybe at #25 Mercilus could be groomed by JDR into something great, but as we all know at this time it’s only wishful thinking. I’m definitely on the pass pressure from the middle bandwagon and if their is a DT with those kinds of measurements then I hope we go there.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

OK

So I was right. Man I hope Brockers falls that far.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Pass Rush

Interestingly enough, I think that the pass rush can improve if we sure up the run defense: force them to pass, and give the edge guys like Von Doom more chances to make the game changing plays that they’re obviously capable of! An interior pass rusher would be a nice addition, though…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Most definitely the pass rush pressure was on EFX's mind when the new year began...

They drafted pass rushing OLB Von Miller with their first pick and after addressing the safety and Tight end positions they selected DE Jeremy Beal wiith the last pick. Beal is a player they probably felt could compete in TC and hold a PS spot while he develops. So far that holds to today. EFX wasn’t done there, as they signed former first rd #8 pick Derrick Harvey who by the way was selected by none other than JDR (Jack Del Rio and his GM). Maybe Fox saw something that JDR didn’t, but so far the experiment hasn’t shown much worth. DE Robert Ayers is very good against the run on his side LDE, but when an oppossing offense aligned to look like a pass, Von Miller would slide down into the LDE and Ayers over to undertackle. I think it is very vital that EFX find a pass rushing/run stopping DE in the draft if there is one. Coples, Upshaw, Melvin Ingram or Whitney Mercilus. Even though Mercilus is a one year wonder I like him. The Combines and then FAs will give us some clues to who or what position we might target…

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Ayers.

Because we have this pass rushing OLB in Von Miller opposite Dumervil at the opposite DE, I don’t mind having an anchor for the run defense (like Robert Ayers) at the other DE position. I think Ayers is a solid player, and I don’t know if a high pick at DE is that much of an improvement in overall value. I definitely think that someone who could collapse the pocket from the inside would add a necessary dimension to the overall pass rush that has been lacking for some time now. I’m tipping my hand here, obviously, but DT is still my #1 concern and the position on the depth chart most in need of an impact addition.

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:06 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Mine as well EJ and like I said to Digger above I hope EFX go in that direction.
I’m tipping my hand here, obviously, but DT is still my #1 concern and the position on the depth chart most in need of an impact addition.

I was doing a ‘little’ research on DT Dontari Poe 6’5", 350lbs Memphis. This kid was the defensive MVP in the Blue-Gray game in 2011 and a very respected leader of the Tigers defense. One report that really caught my eye was…“he is very light on his feet for being a huge man”. Only 2 players in the history of Memphis have been selected in the first rd and guess who was one of them…Yep, DeAngelo Williams RB, in whom the Panthers selected in the 1st. Doesn’t mean much concerning Poe, but that tells me that John Fox knows what the school has and could bring.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

HUGE!

I’m not sure if a 350 pound NT type is what I’m looking for, but I’m open to anyone that can do the job inside for once!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

What if we could trade down with the Eagles for both of their 2nd round picks.

How would Poe and Reyes in rd 2 sound along with Trumaine Johnson with our original 2nd? A run stuffer and a pass rusher. We could have 3 potential starters right there. Likelihood…Nil, Just wishful thinking.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 1, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Trading Down

In general, I like the idea of trading down, but I hate forecasting because few teams (especially someone like the Eagles) would want to trade up!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I love the idea of trading down for more picks early.

You know, the hard part of dreaming right now is, how will some of these guys do in the Combines. Since Michael Brockers (whom I think is better than Poe) is everywhere in the first round with draft gurus right now, and if bith of these guys have outstanding Combines then everything changes. That goes for other positions and players as well, it’s too hard to pinpoint any player at any spot right now unless your of course Andrew Luck. We know where he’s going.

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Never Too Early!

Sure, we’ve probably got this all wrong right now, but that’s part of the fun: the earlier you get started, the more possibilities there are! I found that a good way of avoiding off-season disappointment is to explore every possibility imaginable, that way you’re flexible enough to embrace whatever actually happens. In the meantime, you become more knowledgeable about your team, the league, and the game as a whole. Man, I love the off-season almost as much as I love the actual season!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

This is true...

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

The only problem is that teams also pass on 1st and 2nd down.

So even though Ayers is great in run support if we don’t have a consistent pass rush opposite Doom then we are still very weak. Granted we also need a push up the middle but a pass rushing DE like Doom is needed as well even if we keep rushing Von Miller on 3rd downs etc.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 1, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Catch-22

There’s a reason why people like me were dubious about drafting Von Miller last year: playing him at OLB in a 4-3 is tricky. The guy plays like a 3-4 OLB, who should be free to rush the passer on virtually every play. He struggles in run support and pass coverage, so it’s like playing an unbalanced 5-2 with Miller as a pass rushing DE and Ayers as an extra UT. Not only is Ayers lack of pressure on the QB not wholly his fault, but it’s actually necessary in order to balance the defense against Miller’s tendencies. If you got another pass rushing DE, and a penetrating DT, that would make four pass rush specialists when teams rarely have more than two. Just a thought…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree somewhat. We need run specialists. I'm in complete agreement there.

I just think that running a more traditional 4-3 which we are likely to do with Del Rio we may not need Von on the line as much if we have a DE who can also get to the QB with consistency. There are 2 ways to do this. Get a DE in there like Jeremy Mincy from Jags who is young and a solid pass rusher opposite Doom (and you could still use Ayers at UT if you wanted) so that Von can develop into a more complete player and use his speed to cover the TE position and middle of the field where we were killed last year.

Or we can draft a huge bodied run stuffing DT as well as a pass rushing DT so that our big boy takes the double teams and hopefully frees up Ayers to get to the QB easier. I liked what Ayers did in the playoffs but he still had plenty of 1 on 1s that he couldn’t beat as well during the regular season.

Even bringing in another DE we could still have Von on the line occasionally (or send him in a blitz).

I understand all the points of view on this but I don’t think we can run an effective defense against high powered offenses if Von is not playing his LB spot as much. It leaves the middle too wide open to deep teams like the Pats, Packers, Lions and Saints.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 1, 2012 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Two DTs

That’s the approach I’d like to see: get an NT that demands a double team and a UT that can really get into the backfield. That’s how we get this pass rush up to snuff!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Von Miller is a conundrum almost every team would love to have with his athleticism...

Von Miller’s situation in Denver is very unique in he is a natural 3/4 OLB, and I have pondered this ever since he took the field. Myself, I can’t believe in my heart that Fox/JDR will continue with the scheme of using Miller will be the same and that comes with how they handled FA/draft last year. Like I said yesterday, EFX got Harvey for a reason and it didn’t work. They drafted Jeremy Beal who had like 12 sack in his last year at OU.

Jeremy Beal has been a dominating pass rusher for the better part of four years with the Sooners of Oklahoma. There is no reason to think that he cannot be just as dominate of a force in the NFL. Even as a redshirt freshman in 2007 Beal earned a couple of starts and finished the campaign with one sack and 5.0 tackles-for-loss.

Scouts around the nation touted the young man as one of the best pass rushing DEs coming out. Then he made a bad showing at the Senior Bowl…

Beal’s stock is dropping fast after a disappointing Senior Bowl. Beal did not look the part or play with as much athleticism as most expected. He is a hard working player, but coming out of the week of practice Beal is labeled as a player with limited potential. He has time to do some damage control before the NFL Combine, but if he keeps falling, Beal could end up way down in the third or fourth round.

He showed up at the Combines and ran a 5.16/40! Terrible and his stock fell all the way to nothing (meaning, the Broncos probably could have signed him as a UDFA)…

So neither of those 2 experiments worked for us last year and I don’t hold much hope for either one at this time. That leaves Robert Ayers and Jason Hunter! Not nearly enough depth or potential starter material and I believe EFX will address the position in the draft rather than in FA…

Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!

by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

EFX

I hate to say it, but I wasn’t the biggest fan of their approach to last year’s draft. Too many redundant picks, too many value picks regardless of fit: it felt like a lot of waste to me. Considering the number of needs this team still has (including some they tried so hard to address already) we can’t afford another such showing. If we went into next season with the same DEs that we had last year, but with key improvements in the middle (UT, NT, MLB, etc.) I think you’ll see more improvement than if we pass up an opportunity to address needs other than DE for another pass rusher there. I get where you guys are coming from, I really do, I just don’t necessarily agree, is all… man, it’s fun to discuss this stuff like this with guys like you!

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by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree. Unless Ingram falls to 25 I think we should pass on a DE in the draft and try like hell to get Jeremy Mincy away from Jacksonville (rumor is they want Coples with their #1 pick).

If we can bolster the DE position with a young up and comer like Mincy then we can let Harvey walk and our Pass rushing corp (on the edges) will be set. Mincy is what I would call an aggressive “value signing” which is what Xanders is shooting for.

That will leave us with the opportunity to draft a NT (POE) and an UT (Cox, Reyes) early.

I also think another “value signing” would be Dan Connor to compete with Irving at MLB.

Whether or not EFX agrees with me is a whole other story.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 1, 2012 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Mincey

Successful in the NFL and a Gator in college: what’s not to like?! Seriously though, he sounds like a good pick up if we can get him for the right price. I’d also be down for getting a veteran MLB, though I’m not sure Connor is the guy I want. It’s amazing how much work we need in our front seven!

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by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Top 5 MLB FAs

Stephen Tulloch, ILB, Lions. Age: 27.
D’Qwell Jackson, ILB, Browns. Age: 28.
David Hawthorne, ILB, Seahawks. Age: 27.
Curtis Lofton, ILB, Falcons. Age: 26.
Dan Connor, ILB, Panthers. Age: 26.

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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Curtis Lofton!

I loved Lofton coming out of Oklahoma! Will the Falcons really let him go???

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by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Doubt it.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 5:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Aw, Man!

You got my hopes up for a second there!

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by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Just because they want Coples

doesn’t mean they don’t want Mincy. However they do have Kampman and Roth (Iowa) so why would they need some Florida guy. LOL

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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree but I doubt they will franchise him so he may be able to test the market.

I am hoping he will want a reunion with Del Rio.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 1, 2012 4:44 PM MST up reply actions  

One of the problems we had towards the end of season...

Was in the pass rush. When Von had to drop into coverage, that left Doom trying to create pressure basically on his own. I think another pass rushing DE is a definite need, or a different scheme that allows Von to continue rushing the passer.

by rg2247 on Feb 5, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

We'll definitely need at least depth at G...

With Zane Beadles heading into his 3rd year, he has shown progression in the run game, but still lacks in pass blocking. Whether he will sustain growth is yet to be seen. Along with Zane, we have the versatile Russ Hochstein who is 33 and aging. I thought he did a pretty good taking Kuper’s place and playing an extra TE on short yardage situations. 28 year old Manny Ramirez is nothing but a roster spot holder in book and should be released at some time to add depth. And, of course Chris Kuper who is our RG when healthy. We have no G’s on the PS and as you can see we need help there. Whether we draft one later in the draft or sign one after or acquire a FA we have to go there.

Offensive tackle has been ‘tackled’ for the moment with re-signing ROT Ryan Harris. Good move imo and will add needed depth there without addressing it in the draft. Our starters Ryan Clady and Orlando Franklin will continue their roles to unify the OLine. Continuity is gold when it comes to the OLine playing as a unit. For depth we have 4th year man Chris Clark who has brought mixed reviews. He was a UDFA signed by the Bucs in 2008 and was on Minnesota’s PS for 2 years. Clark has played as a sub on the Broncos and has done a fair job. Tony Hills OT is on the roster and comes from spending 3 years with the Steelers. I don’t think anybody could hope for more out of Hills than depth…We are not as in sad a shape with this group as we are with G but if the right player or players come along who knows…

Wide receiver is one of those groups you be danged if you don’t draft one and be danged if you do. I would hope EFX re-sign Eddie Royal, but if they chose to let him go then I’ll understand. Matthew Willis’ position as #4 on the depth chart can be upgraded and it wouldn’t be too hard imo. He is a solid player and contributor, but there are better ones out there. I never hold too much hope in UDFA’s but you never know what you’ve got until they show you. I wouldn’t go all crazy with the position and draft one too early. 4th at the earliest and go from there, especially with all the holes we have on both sides of the ball.

Runninback? I’ve noticed a lot of people lately that get all wet in the pants over some of these college prospects. It’s hard to blame them though when the sparklers are right in front of everyine’s eyes…They’re just like diamonds, girls love them and men hate to have to buy them, but they do. I hope EFX feel the same way way as I do with this position and play the draft sensable way and draft accordingly. Find the McGahee type of FA and draft one from the 3rd on…That is all folks…

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by Digger24 on Jan 31, 2012 7:38 PM MST up reply actions  

How bout Ryan Harris comes back healthy

And we move Franklin to LG? Ryan was once a top RT in this league….

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by DaLostBoy4 on Feb 1, 2012 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

The question with Harris

Is will he stay healthy? One of the big reasons the Oline was sucessful in 2011 was due to continuity. We had the same 5 starters throughout the regular season. That was something that never happened when Harris was in the starting line up. Harris is a talented RT, but he goes down way too often. It’s good to have him back on the roster, but I don’t know if he can still be a starter on this team.

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by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I think he had back surgery.

I’m not sure if you ever come back “healthy” from that. I’m just hoping for servicable. They signed him to a 1 year $700,000 contract. I think the verdict is still out on him.

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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Did they?

I saw 1yr./$700,000

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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Geez Digger, I read some wher they signed him for multible years...Never heard after that.

If that is true then that changes things.

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by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Franklin at LG

I think this sort of double improvement (bring in an RT and move Franklin inside) is a real possibility. I don’t think Orlando was thought of as a blindside protector and he struggled there late with Tebow at QB

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

the problem is that Harris has never been a great run blocker

so a shift like this would require having lots of TE help for Harris in running situations.

I do like the idea of Kuper and Franklin at the guard spots, but I am leery of causing a major blow to our running game while marginally improving our pas protection. Franklin would have to improve his pass pro and he wouldn’t have Kuper next to him anymore to help him.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 1, 2012 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Not Harris.

I’ve advocated bringing in new bodies up front: I don’t mind Harris as depth, but I think he’s run his course as a starter in this league…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure this is true DE

Back in 2009, 2010 when Harris went down, our running game noticeably deteriorated. I know his strength is pass protection, however his run blocking was good.

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by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 2, 2012 4:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I saw that more of a function of how bad the guy behind him played in 2009.

Tyler Polumbus is not a competent starting tackle in the NFL. He started the 8 games that Harris didn’t in 2009. Harris is a competent run blocker and what we saw was the great contrast between his competence and Polumbus incompetence.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 2, 2012 6:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Depth

This is why our paper-thin depth chart right now is such a hazard: we’re an injury almost anywhere on offense away from a much worse performance!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Franklin is to tall to be a guard, he would be getting pegged in the back of the head a couple times a game, Tackles are often taller because their not in the way of the qb but that makes moving them to guard not a logical possibility

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by KarlMecklenburg77 on Feb 2, 2012 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

The OGs at the top of the draft this year are mostly all tall.

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by Digger24 on Feb 2, 2012 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

here are the listed heights of the OGs drafted last year in the first 4 rounds last year

Pouncey 6-5, Watkins 6-3, Moffitt 6-4, Rackley 6-3, Boling 6-5, Arkin 6-5, Vandervelde 6-2
Kuper is 6-4, Beadles is 6-3.
For the Saints where both guards have been All-Pro with a shorter QB (Brees is 6-0), Nicks is 6-5 and Evans is 6-4. That doesn’t seem to have hurt Brees’ ability to throw the ball.
Here are the Probowl OGs from 2011 (outside of Nicks and Evans who are above) and their heights
Mankins 6-4, Yanda 6-4, Joseph 6-2, Waters 6-3
From 2010 we also had Snee 6-3 and Dielman 6-4.
Frankin is listed at 6-6. Do you really think that one inch makes a big difference in the ability of the QB to throw the ball over the guard? Remember TT is listed at 6-3 and he played at Florida with the Pouncey brothers blocking for him (Markice is 6-4, Maurice is 6-5).

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 3, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Besides

If Franklin moved to RG the throwing lane would be a quick out to the right. Can Tebow throw that pass?

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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

FRANKLIN - 6'7" 330

3" Taller then everyone on your list

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by KarlMecklenburg77 on Feb 3, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

NFL.com has Franklin as 6'6" which is what he was listed at during the draft.

http://www.nfl.com/player/orlandofranklin/2495151/profile
Even if he is 6’7", 7 minus 5 is 2, not 3. Pouncey, Boling, Arkin and Nicks are all listed at 6’5". Exaggeration doesn’t really help your argument.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 6, 2012 6:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Once we get the big QB Elway wants it won't be a problem.

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by Digger24 on Feb 6, 2012 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

6"7 is whats listed on the Broncos Roster

Kuper and Beadles (Russ as well) are both listed listed at 6’ 4". Sorry, I was paying more attention to our team, not the handfull of Guards that are an amazing one inch larger sprinkled across the league. So if the tallest teams are willing to go on average is 6’4 and Tebow is 6’3", do you think its harder for him to pass over someone who is 1" taller than him or 4" taller than him?

PS if being a whopping 1" off is such and exaggeration than maybe you should check your own info on franklin before getting all snarky and condescending

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by KarlMecklenburg77 on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry if my comment was interpreted as snarky and/or condescending.

I was honestly asking if you thought that the height difference between Franklin and those other guys would make a difference. Given your response, you do. So we will have to agree to disagree. I don’t think that it will make a difference based on the height of the guards and centers with whom Tebow has already played.

PS – teams routinely exaggerate the height of their players, for effect, I presume. The league really has no vested interest in exaggeration of player heights.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 9, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I think 3" in height

in the middle of the OL would be a big deal and hope he stays at RT.

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by Digger24 on Feb 9, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow!

I love comments that are basically stand-alone posts of their own: great stuff, man! I think we see nearly eye to eye on the position groups you chose to highlight. I’d be happier with a cheap free agent and a later round pick at RB as well, instead of the first and second rounders that have been mocked to us around the Internet. I would like to see additional quality depth added throughout the OL, but I agree Harris mitigates that need some. Great minds, huh?

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry about that EJ...Loved the post and definitely rec'd...

Fos some reason I am unanable to write fanposts anymore. Ever since I had to change my hard drive it won’t let me write in it…Hey, I love Trent Richardson and Lamar Miller, but drafting these guys early is always a risk that often doesn’t work. Javid Best is 23 years old and may never play again…Too me Knowshon Moreno was a bad choice for us and now we see why. He may make it but in 3 years he’s been hurt and unable to perform every year…

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by bfree2bronc on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Nothing to be Sorry About!

I seriously love the big comments: they show interest and insight! It’s a shame that you’re having trouble with the site/computer, because I’d love to see more FanPosts from you. Anyway, I’m right there with you: the stud skill position guys are always appealing, but our needs are elsewhere. I’d be happy with a Chris Rainey or Tauren Poole on the third day of the draft, or a low key signing like an Owen Schmidt or Jacob Hester! I loved Moreno coming out of college (I thought he was reminiscent of LaDanian Tomlinson) but the injuries have really taken their toll. I hope he can bounce back and he’ll likely get one more chance to do so in Denver via a more limited role, but I don’t think that should hold us back from augmenting our depth at the position.

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:10 AM MST up reply actions  

If Rainey runs under 4.30 in the 40, there is no way he is available on the 3rd day of the draft.

If he runs under 4.20, he might get reached for in the first round for a team desperate to add speed (you know, the pick that the Raiders would make if the had one in the first, second or third rounds).

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 1, 2012 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

He Won't

I’m a Gators fan and recent Florida alum: no one overrated their individuals team speed more than Urban Meyer. Rainey is fast, and he will probably crack 4.4, but I can’t imagine him getting under 4.3…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Spot on analysis, old friend.

Good to have you back in the saddle. One thing I would have liked to see in this post is how you would rank our offensive priorities. This would make a good post even better. Can’t wait to see your defensive take.

by swg777 on Jan 31, 2012 8:31 PM MST reply actions  

How About This?

The thing is, none of our offensive needs (with the possible exception of tight end) really require any meaningful investment. Late round draft picks and cheap free agents could fit the bill for most of our depth needs. The bottom line is this: the key pieces on offense are already in place, we just need a bit more in order to unlock the full unit’s true potential. Defense is the real issue, I believe…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 9:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I would agree with that.

by swg777 on Jan 31, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

You Know What They Say

Great minds think alike!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Who else thinks we need to cut ties with moreno and find someone better??

I might get flamed for this… but I feel like he isnt very good for being a 1st rd pick. Let him go or maybe trade him and try to get something out of him.. just me.

by Robbie Bohl on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 PM MST reply actions  

I'm open to that.

I just don’t know what the logistics would be for us dropping him. At this point, I don’t believe we’d get much in return if we traded him.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair Point, But...

I think we’re best served keeping him on the roster to see if we can squeeze and juice out of that lemon. He has no trade value at this point, and it’s not worth whatever penalty is associated to clear him off the depth chart. For the position, we’d be best off adding two new guys – one to mirror McGahee and another to give us what Moreno was supposed to.

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

The thing is

when he’s in there he does alright.
I’m pretty sure his contract was so most was paid up front so cutting him is dumb. Trading him is not really an option either. I think he will be better next year. If not, I think his contract after that is if we want to pick up the option year or not.

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by Digger24 on Jan 31, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

No Risk, Some Reward

Keeping Knowshon won’t prevent us from doing anything else we need to do, so I say keep him and see what we can get out of him!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:12 AM MST up reply actions  

since we didn't throw to McGahee at all once TT took over

we might actually use KnoMo in the screen game next season – assuming teams actually rush hard against TT. Screens are useless against the mush-rush.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 1, 2012 8:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Take What They Give Us

The thing is, we have to be able to take whatever is available! One of the things about McGahee that I wish he was better at was explosion, and another is receiving out of the backfield…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

McGahee had 43 receptions in 2007. He can catch.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 1, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair Enough.

Though I’m not sure there are that many guys out there that can still reliably do what they haven’t been asked (or able) to do in five years…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

That's one part of Tebow's game that has to change and it isn't the players (McGahee, Ball and Johnson's) fault...

There were a few times the camera had a back 5yds wide open over the middle waving his hands and Tebow’s still looking down field. That can’t be and Tebow has a lot of work to get down this offseason with checkdowns. Too many plays lost to decision making.

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by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

The Deep Ball

I agree that the absence of the outlet passing game is on Tebow some, but it’s also on the coaching staff. Tim’s a kid that takes coaching to the extreme, so I’m sure they explained to him the necessity to push the defense off of the line by hitting them over the top whenever possible. With such few passing attempts, there’s also the desire to make a significant impact in the air through limited opportunities. TT needs to improve – and I believe he will – but so does the offense as a whole.

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

@EJ..with the tebow read option there is NO screen.

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by DLMyers on Feb 3, 2012 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Bologna

Tebow connected on a few nice screens, here’s one off the top of my head:

San Diego @ Denver: Tebow to Moreno for a 28 yd. TD

The screen is there when he has someone to throw it to.

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by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed, that was the thing that bothered me the most with Tebow.

Someone needs to tell him he doesn’t have to pick up a first down or TD every throw, take the 4-5 yards man!

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by Automatik41 on Feb 1, 2012 7:38 PM MST up reply actions  

The Appeal of the Opposite

I think he’s being pushed, both by the play calling and the feel of the games, to go for as much as possible on every passing opportunity. The team needs to replace the all or nothing passing attack with something more quick hitting: death by a thousand paper cuts, rather than decapitation by katana!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 11:34 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you on the RB situation.

I think this needs to be a high priority.

McGahee was wonderful last season; but I fear that level of production might not be sustainable.

For a number of reason, I disagree with your approach about addressing the situation.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 31, 2012 9:12 PM MST reply actions  

But the way...

…always nice to read your writing and your ideas. Rec’d.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

My Pleasure!

It’s always good to see your own work, and especially nice to see your comments in mine: go Broncos!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 9:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

Glad to see you too believe that the RB position needs work, but I would love for you to extrapolate on how you would handle it: I’m always interested in the ideas of other thoughtful Broncos fans, maybe especially so when they differ from my own!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Jan 31, 2012 9:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay, but this could be a long one!

My ideas for addressing the running back situation orients around the draft and my assessment of the team’s needs.

I believe the team needs are (in order):
SS – I’m assuming Brian Dawkins retires. If he doesn’t, then this need falls.
MLB – We need to replace Joe Mays.
DT – We need a DT who can pressure the pocket.
RB – For the reasons you stated in your post.
QB – I believe we should go “all in” on Tebow and his skillset, which means saying goodbye to Quinn.
WR – Too many dropped balls last season. Not enough separation.
CB – Would be higher, but we have so much injured potential.
OL – We need some depth.

So we have eight needs and only seven draft picks. Obviously, we’ll need to play in free agency.

Aside from quarterback, there might not be a more difficult position to learn in the NFL than safety. Because of this, I’m not optimistic that we’ll be able to draft someone who can step in keep the defense playing at a high level. So I think we need to sign someone in free agency.

As for Joe Mays’ replacement…who knows? Maybe Nate Irving’s the answer. But I think we should draft someone. This brings me to the BIG PROBLEM: I don’t think this draft class is very good. I think there are pockets of elite talent, but it’s mostly populated with serviceable pros.

One exception is at the running back position. I think this running back class might be looked back on with the same veneration as the Quarterback Class of 1983. Obviously, there won’t be six running backs drafted in the first round this April. But I think five years from now, we might look back and say, “Wow. That was one deep class.”

That’s what I find so interesting: In a draft that’s relatively devoid of rare talent at so many positions, where’s the love for the running backs? Is the scouting complex that inefficient?

Obviously, everyone knows about Trent Richardson. And that’s where the inefficiencies start. Many believe Trent Richardson is head and shoulders above the second-best back in the class. I think this view is wrong. To me, Lamar Miller’s the best back in the draft. But it’s close between him and Richardson. Think of Miller as “1aaaaa” and Richardson as “1aaaab.” I think both will have long, wildly successful careers in the NFL.

So I think the consensus is wrong about who the best back is. But that’s not all. No one’s really talking about Utah State’s Robert Turbin. I just saw an interesting mock that forecasted Turbin being available in the fourth round! Turbin is Trent Richardson-lite. He’s the Egg McMuffin of Trent Richardson wanna-be’s. The kid should be a first round pick. And then there’s David Wilson and Doug Martin, both of whom should start and contribute at the next level for years to come. And Bernard Pierce isn’t bad either! Chris Polk? Well, he sucks. But there’s still LaMichael James and Chris Rainey. They’re not every down backs, but they’ll contribute. Will all of these guys make it? No, there will be injuries. But this is a special class. And I haven’t even mentioned Ronnie Hillman’s long-term potential.

You look at the conventional grading systems that many scouts employ and the description associated with the highest rating is something like “Once-in-a-generation talent. Likely Hall-of-Famer.” So, it’s unlikely we have three of those in this draft, in the form of Andrew Luck, Trent Richardson and Lamar Miller. But I think they’re one notch below that.

So what does this mean for addressing the running back situation? I’d like to consider it against our needs.

Let’s start with wide receiver. I think this wideout class is flat and deep. By that I mean, there’s not a steep drop-off in talent from the best wideout to the tenth-best wideout. So I don’t want to pick a wideout in the first round. We can pickup a good one after the second.

I think the cornerbacks are flat too. After Claiborne, who will go long before we’re on the board, there are several serviceable corners available in the second and third rounds. Even then, I don’t know that any of them will be an immediate upgrade over Goodman or Harris. Then, you look at the middle linebackers. Some people are excited about Boston College’s Luke Kuechly. I disagree. Although he might be the best middle linebacker available, he’s the best of a sub-par class. Again, I’ll pass.

So then, where’s the talent in this draft? I think it’s in the offensive line and in the defensive end/outside linebacker positions (and of course the running backs). In my view, these positions will dominate the first round, even the Top 15. The problem is, I think these positions are less of a need for us than other positions. DJ and Von are more than adequate (understatement of the day). And Ayers and Hunter can hold down the fort opposite Doom.

What about the defensive tackles? I don’t know how to evaluate them. I just don’t. I can’t tell the difference between Devon Still and Michael Brockers. I can’t tell the difference between Broderick Bunkley and Ryan McBean. I just don’t understand the position. However, the fact that there’s so much variety in the positional rankings for the defensive tackles suggests to me that this is a fairly flat group as well, without any outstanding talent.

Then you factor in the notion that EFX seems to devalue the DT position. And consider that it was a bigger need last year than this year and we still never drafted a DT. I just doubt that we’ll go DT in the first round.

So where does that leave us? Running back. Ideally, I want to see us draft Lamar Miller -even if that means us leapfrogging the Bengals in the first. You don’t get a chance to draft Lamar Miller very often. When you get the chance, you have to try. That’s what was so great about last year’s draft. Von Miller is that kind of talent. We all know that. And, as luck would have it, we were in position to draft him. There aren’t any Von Miller’s in this year’s class of outside linebackers. Whitney Mercilus? Please.

If we can’t draft Miller, then I say go with Turbin. Turbin in the first round? Hmmm. I think he’s worthy of the pick, but this view is currently abnormal. If this inefficiency persists, then we might be able to get him in a later round. If that happens, I don’t know what I’d advocate in the first round. And then I’d also like us to take a swipe at Chris Rainey too.

If everything went according to my dream scenario, next September our running back stable would be as follows:
Lamar Miller
Willis McGahee
Chris Rainey
Jeremiah Johnson

In this situation, I don’t know what would’ve happened to Knowshon or Ball, but they wouldn’t be in Denver.

Anyway, sorry to go all Tolstoy on you. This was even longer than I thought it’d be. And I realize my views differ from the mainstream, but I’m cool with that.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

It's good to think outside of the box!

The dilema with evaluating DTs is that stats never tell the whole tale of how they really perform. There are aspects of playing DT that can’t be measured and must be observed.

There are two distinct types to look for in the 4-3 scheme. For the NT, you’re looking for a bigger tackle that can occupy blockers and hold his ground, freeing up the linebackers to make plays. For the UT or the three technique, you’re looking for a slightly smaller and quicker Tackle that can read the play, shoot gaps, and penetrate into the backfield. Tackles. The Broncos have decent NTs on the team with Bunkley and Warren. Thomas is a tweener and can play either technique. That alone should be reason to give him another contract. McBean is a three tech, but he lacks in quickness which tells me we could upgrade there. The Broncos need a good three tech to collapse the pocket. He needs to be around 300 lbs., quick footed, and athletic. He has to be able to play both the pass and the run. I haven’t done much scouting so I don’t know who is out there that fits that bill.

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by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for info.
For the NT, you’re looking for a bigger tackle that can occupy blockers and hold his ground, freeing up the linebackers to make plays.

I have a hard time assessing success or failure with this behavior. Often, I see defensive lineman doing this, but I can’t tell what makes one player good at it and another bad at it. And sometimes you’ll see the phrase “anchors well” or “he’s got a good anchor.” I think that’s what they’re talking about, but I can’t recognize it. Or if I can see what they’re doing, I can’t tell if they’re doing it well or not.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions  

A big indicator

Is if the player is drawing a double team. A good NT will consistently draw a double team on the strong side of the offense. If he is not a threat do draw a double team, that frees an Olineman up to block into the second level, one on one with a LB. If he draws a double team, he is occupying an additional blocker which is seen as a sucess.

The second thing to look at is where he is taking on his blocks in relation to the line of scrimmage. If he is taking on blocks on or behind the LOS, he’s doing a good job, if he’s getting knocked off the LOS, not so much. A good anchor means that he doesn’t give up ground. Good technique for a NT is not unlike run blocking on the offensive line. You want to see them get off the ball and get into the man in front of them, then read and react to the play.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

DT Stuff

I’d love to see what you think of the draft and free agent prospects at the position, if you’ve had time to evaluate any…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

No kidding.

It seems like positional rankings vary from draftnik to draftnik. It’d be interesting to hear which undertackles are highly thought of.

There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 1, 2012 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Draftniks

Everyone has different things that they look for, things that they like, and it shows in the varying rankings. I like to combine rankings, to get a feel for what the community at large is thinking, and thereby assess value: I use my own eyes, mind and gut to determine who I like. All in all, I have to say, it’s a ton of fun and I learn something new every time around!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Generally, I use the rankings as a starting point...

…and then go with my eyes.

The trouble is, my eyes don’t know what they’re seeing with DTs. In that context, it might sound like I’m referring to “delirium tremors” but I’m still talking about football.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 1, 2012 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Ha!

DTs are tough for me, too! There are plenty of people on MHR that I lean on when it comes to assessing certain positions, and it sure seems like CH74 knows his DTs!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I played there a bit

And did some Dline coaching, but I am far from a talent scout. From that, I know the expectations of both positions.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Good Enough For Me!

I never played, so I’m down to what I’ve learned from a distance as a fan. Good to have someone with experience take a look!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Haven't really had time to evaluate personally

But I have read up on some of the DTs in the draft. The guy that caught my eye there was Fletcher Cox, a Junior from Mississippi State. He’s 6’4, 295 with some room to grow. He’s rated as a late first early second round talent by most sites that I have seen. I’ll see if I can dig up some film on him later tonight after my reprieve from work.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

S-E-C!

As a Gators fan, I’ve grown into the phrase: when in doubt, SEC. That the kid is coming out of Mississippi State is a good sign to me, because that mean’s he’s faced the best of the best many times over. I’ve heard the name, but not as much as Devon Still and Michael Brockers. Those are the guys I’m thinking of for #25…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I looked at Still and Brockers as well

With Still, he’s much bigger body and on paper, not quite as quick as Cox. At 310, he’s a tweener that could probably grow into a monster NT. Brockers is huge at 6’6, 300, and again, not as quick on paper. If he bulks up any, we’ll have yet another tweener. The reasons Cox caught my eye were a) his size gives him room to grow and still play the 3. b)On paper, he’s a little quicker. To be any more objective, I’ll have to watch them and see how they play the position. If I can find some clips to watch, I’ll try to do that tonight.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting...

I’ve never thought of them like that, so that’s new for me. I’ll take a look at Cox and see what I get!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice DT Summary

I think I’d agree with this description of the positions AND the evaluation of our roster: well done!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Keep'em Coming!

Love to see the whole thought process come together like this! You’ve clearly done your homework (I’d say you’re comfortably ahead of me in analyzing this draft class) and I appreciate the info. What I’ve seen so far out of first round mock drafts for the Broncos are DT, RB, and TE. I agree that those are the biggest positions of need and that they would benefit greatly from a first round talent. As for RB: I definitely see Trent Richardson as the top back in the draft, but that doesn’t mean I’m slighting Lamar Miller. I think we could get him at or near where we are in the 1st thanks to the market inefficiencies you point out. I’d be very happy if we added Miller and Chris Rainey, though I’d keep Knowshon Moreno instead of Jeremiah Johnson to go along with McGahee. I definitely don’t think you’re alone in this RB camp, my friend, so don’t be shy about your thoughts!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Perfect!

Then back to the practice squad with him, because I do think he might yet be something, just not right now…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think he is eligible, but it is a little confusing

He gained an accrued year of service this year, and by Article33, section4a(i), that disqualifies him. He also gained a year of PS participation in 2011, which gives him 2 total, which rules him out.

However, there is a loophole that allows him to have a third year on the PS if Denver maintains 53 men on the roster at all times during his PS contract…I don’t know how viable that is. This would need to happen in conjunction with a loophole for his accrued service year if it was fewer than 9 regular season games (I believe he was at eight). This also assumes he is a free agent at the time of signing, which, of course, he would be.

Bottom line I don’t think he is eligible. :) For now he is under contract for 2012 for the vet minimum.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 7, 2012 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm surprised Jerry you failed to mention DE as a need...

We only have 3 at the moment with Dumervil, Ayers, Hunter and Harvey. Did I say 3? Yep…I really don’t think Derrick Harvey will amount to a hill of beans and JDR is probably hee-hawing Fox for signing him. I can see at least 2 and maybe 3 DEs being acquired from one of the pools…

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by bfree2bronc on Feb 1, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

DE Need.

I think depth is a clear issue here, but I like Doom and Ayers (with Miller behind in at OLB) as the starting bookends. I think that lines it up just about OL for him as far as needs are concerned, but I might be mistaken…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

You're right. My bad. I guess I was thinking Beal might step up.

But let’s say he doesn’t. And let’s say the Bengals draft Lamar Miller and the scouts continue to undervalue Robert Turbin, allowing us to get him in the second or later. In that case, I think we might consider going DE.

In my view, the outside pass rusher is the deepest in the draft. Coples will be long gone. I expect Ingram and Upshaw to be gone as well. But I don’t know that either is an optimal fit in the 3-4 on the closed end. In that case, would we go Cam Johnson from Virginia? He’s probably played himself into the first round.

Another player I’ve been noodling is North Carolina’s Zach Brown. Granted, we don’t have a place for him right now. But I keep thinking about the way Aaron Hernandez torched us and the problems we’ve had with Antonio Gates in the past. And I think about all the times I’ve seen D.J. Williams just a step behind Gates as he catches the touchdown pass. Is Zach Brown the answer? Might we draft Zach Brown and do something else with D.J.?

Reports out of the Senior Bowl claim Fox was seen talking Boise St. safety George Iloka (at least I think it’s George). As you know, Iloka’s big about 6’4 and north of 215, but can move. I can’t help but wonder if Fox doesn’t want a Gronk-killer.

Another possibility of whom I just became aware is Brandon Hardin. Hardin is a fascinating player from Oregon State, who sat out his senior year due to shoulder injury. Hardin’s a cornerback with tremendous size: He’s 6’2, 220. But was a state champion sprinter in high school (granted, it was Hawaii). After not playing all season, he competed in the East-West Shrine Game and really stood out. Some scouts have him pegged as a FS, but he calls himself a “hybrid.” I call him “Gronkryptonite” (okay, that didn’t work as well as I’d hoped).

There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 1, 2012 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Hardin was going to play

in the East West Shrine game, but I can’t find any stats on him.

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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

The reports I read said...

4 tackles, 1 pass broken up and he recovered an onside kick.

There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 1, 2012 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Defending the TE

I definitely think that we desperately need someone who can at least try to cover the new breed of TE that is taking the league by storm…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 5:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Regrettably, I'm forced to say...

D.J. ain’t it.

There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 1, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Poor D.J.

His career has really been hampered by his being moved from position to position. If he had been allowed to develop at one spot in one scheme, he could well be one of the best in the league at his job; instead, he’s played all along the LB corps and in more systems than I can remember! Maybe we can slot him back in the middle and get a new OLB in his place…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice job abd rec'd

Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.

by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 1, 2012 8:13 AM MST reply actions  

TY!

Glad you liked it!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Chase Daniel isn't a spread option quarterback

He ran a spread passing attack at Missouri. but he certainly isn’t one would consider a huge threat as a runner.

I do like Vince Young as a possibility however.

Von Miller doesn't sleep, he waits

by RockyMountainThunder on Feb 1, 2012 9:10 AM MST reply actions  

Fair Enough

I’m not sure why I thought they ran that out in Mizzou during his time there, but the miniature size should have been a dead giveaway. I heard the Saints staff speaks glowingly of him, so I’m sure they’ll keep him around New Orleans anyway…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I go to almost every Tiger game....Chase was a much better runner than you are suggesting.

Just not up the middle ;)

His only drawback is his size 5’11". He’s deadly accurate as a thrower however.

Glad to see Egnew on the TE draft list….I thought we could even use him as our slot receiver. He has great hands, but Franklin (our QB this year) just isn’t as good a passer as what Eggs had in the past.

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by Broncotodd on Feb 2, 2012 5:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't say he was completely immobile

But he wasn’t a threat as a runner. Teams did not spy on him because they knew his preference was to get the ball into his playmakers hands, like Jeremy Maclin

Von Miller doesn't sleep, he waits

by RockyMountainThunder on Feb 2, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Mizzou!

Welcome to the SEC, my friend! I’m a Gator fan and alum still living in Gainesville, and we’re very happy to have you join the best conference in collegiate sports!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 2, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice work, EJ and Rec'd

The Tight End position has been a little rough for the past couple of seasons. The team is in far better shape there than they were under McDaniels though. Depending on how the offseason shapes up, the Broncos could be better off there than you anticipate. Julius Thomas was hampered by a high ankle sprain all season. Virgil Green showed some promise at the end of the season with his blocking. Fox has never been a big fan of relying on rookies. Fells did a decent job. I think we could let Rosario walk (again) and make a value free agent signing like Dreesen. That would give us a verastile group capable of working in both a standard or spread option offense.

I’ve heard a lot of people bring up the 6 OLine sets the Broncos used this past season in a negative light. People see this as a judgement on the blocking of the TE’s. If you look further into it, it does nothing of the sort. A lot of times Clark was in the game with two TE’s. This was simply the Broncos way of getting as much beef on the LOS to counter the 8 and sometimes 9 man fronts they were seeing.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 9:11 AM MST reply actions  

Tight End

When I first started watching American football, the Broncos had a handful of players that caught my eyes even though I didn’t fully understand the game: John Elway, Steve Atwater, and Shannon Sharpe. Maybe it’s nostalgia or just greed, but I want a TE that terrifies defenses again! I hope the young ones we have develop into something special, but I think they could do that even if we brought someone else of immediate impact in. But, as I said in my post, I would be happy just to add someone like Dreesen and that says all you need to know about what I think of what we put out there last season!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm of the mindset

That ideally, youth needs to be balanced with experience. We drafted two TE’s last season, so I would stay away from them in the draft this season, same with the Safety position. When you have youth and upside at a position, use free agency to balance the experience level out. There are a lot of factors that go into the performance of our TE’s in 2011. You have to factor in the drop in TE targets after Tebow took the reigns as a problem. For Green and Thomas, I am sure the lockout was a factor as well as Fox’s preference to play vets over rookies. It’s easy to look at the stats and say we need to upgrade, but its a lot harder to look at the big picture to see why and how. We all want instant gratification and that has killed the Broncos in recent years. I think due to the lock out, we have to give all the rookies a pass for 2011 and see how they progress in 2012. Julius Thomas has the potential to be special if he gets the coaching he needs.

I miss those days too, EJ. Broncos fans from that era definitely got spoiled. Sharpe changed the game for Tight Ends, but that whole group was special. The recievers blocked in the run game, the backs pass blocked. The play makers took their game away from carrying the ball very seriously. I see that permeating this team as well and I hope they build on it.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Youth and Experience

Great point, man, and that’s something I overlooked! Of the realistic free agents, I like Joel Dreesen out of Houston. I’m not crazy about splurging on and big time free agent, let alone a TE that may be under-utilized in our system, so the higher up guys would scare me away even if they do become actually available…

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

My big disagreement is at the running back spot

we need to add a starter there, McGahee won’t have a season like this one again, to be honest, im surprised about his production this year. He’s on the wrong end of 30 and will rapidly decline. Fox has already stated he doesnt want McGahee carrying the load next year anyways.

All our other backs are either average or can’t be counted on. Moreno has potential, but is always hurt, and fell out of favor by coach fox when he was healthy, Ball was getting carries over Moreno. Moreno if anything is a capable 3rd down back. We need to upgrade over Lance Ball and Johnson.

We’re a running football team, we need to take a back early in the draft. I know i keep hearing people say we should wait until the later rounds, that sometimes works, but i think we all got spoiled by mike shanahan turning nobodies into 1200 yard backs. We need to target a Lamar Miller, Doug Martin or David Wilson in the first or 2nd round. I wouldnt be upset if we took another guy in the 3-5th range either.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 1, 2012 2:36 PM MST reply actions  

Two RB

I agree that we need to get two RB to upgrade Lance Ball and Jeremiah Johnson, but I’m not sure the first round is the place to do it. I have seen a push for this, and while I wouldn’t absolutely hate it, I certainly wouldn’t love it. DT is the bigger need by far and I think there will be quality options for us there at #25. That said, RB is a need. I think my ideal would be to sign Mike Tolbert for HB, Owen Schmidt for FB, and draft Chris Rainey as a speed back slash motion slot receiver: that’s a heck of a foundation for an attack, spread option especially!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

DT is a need

but i see a talented RB equally as important. We’re a running team, we need talented running backs. I wouldnt be upset if we went 1. RB 2. DT or vice versa.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 1, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

RB in the Draft

RB tend to drop in the draft, so maybe we get lucky and one of the guys that you like drop to us in the second. I think the 3rd round prospects like LaMichael James and Bernard Pierce are pretty interesting, as I mentioned in the original post.

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I like both pierce and james, but idk if they'll last to the late 3rd.

I just think with the importance the run game is to our team, that we get a young talented guy who can share the load with McGahee.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair Enough...

Like I said, I wouldn’t be heartbroken if we ended up with a potential stud at RB!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Easy there Scotty

I saw that very issue mentioned (Ball vs. Moreno) before, so I checked it out. The only time Ball saw more touches in a game was when Moreno was hampered by injury before he landed on IR. Moreno’s talent is not and issue, but his durability is. I think we’d get more production out of him if we utilized him as a third down/change of pace back as opposed to giving him a big chunk of the load. I agree, we probably need to look at getting at least one back and I think the draft is the way to go there. This draft seems pretty deep RB wise and I could see us picking one up in the middle rounds. I have a feeling McGahee has at least one more season in him, if not more. Ray Rice prolonged his career a couple years at least.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I heard now he got a DUI.

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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Moreno?

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw it in fanshots

here

The guy who posted it looks like he’s a Bronco fan, but I don’t know how he would know it if it’s not even on Rotoworld or anything.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 1, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, this is the first I've heard of it

Stuff like that usually gets out pretty quick. I guess we’ll see!

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 5:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Im not saying McGahee is done, but he isnt going to carry the load for a full season again

he needs to share the load with a Lamar Miller/Doug Martin type back. Moreno can be a good third down back. More talented RB’s the better.

We’re going to be a run first, pass second offense, so i just think we need to upgrade the position. Also i think fox wants to have what he had in carolina. A fast, home run hitting 15-20 carry back and a tough, grinder who can share the load. We have one piece of the puzzle in McGahee, we need the other. I think Miller or Martin fits the bill

You’re right, ball wasnt getting as many carries as Moreno, but fox was giving the guy a chance. He did not impress, except for the KC game(like always) before he got hurt. We started to see more and more of ball in the offense, and i think ball moved ahead of moreno this year.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 1, 2012 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Theres something about KC

That lights a fire under Moreno. Ball is a totally different style runner, he’s like McGahee lite. Moreno was dinged up before he landed on IR. He is still a more talented back than Ball when he is healthy. He’s the Bronco’s version of RunDMC. There is a reson why Ball was third on the depth chart. He will always be behind a healthy Moreno, for however long that will last and for what good it does for us.

I agree, a home run threat would be an awesome weapon that could change the face of the whole offense. I still think we need to see if there is anything left of Fanin’s flash in camp last year. All we can do is speculate, so it gets a little frustrating. I say draft a burner without reaching and throw Fannin out there if he is indeed for real.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, we need that type of play against all the other 30 teams haha

Morenos talent and upside is much higher than balls. But ball gets more production than moreno, that’s the problem. Moreno needs to be a one cut and go runner, not this dancer. Also moreno has an issue with slipping on air, or losing balance to often. Ball is a one cut and go down hill runner, which fox likes.

I with Agent Jerry Fletcher, Lamar Miller is a great talent, and i would not be upset if we took him at 25. My backup option is Doug Martin, and to be honest i wouldnt be upset if we took both Miller and Martin, but that’s just me.

I liked Fannin when we signed him as a UDFA, His size and speed are rare, but there’s a reason why he went undrafted, and injuries are a major concern, and coming off a torn ACL id be surprised if he’s on the team. I hope he proves me wrong, but im not getting my hopes up that we’ll get anything from him.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 1, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Did he actually tear it?

Thats my big question. We never heard anything after he went down regarding the extent of his injury. They seen enough to IR him, so that has to tell us something. I think Cam Newton played a role in his decline at Auburn. They quit handing him the ball after Cam came on board. I don’t have high expectations for him, just expectations if he’s healthy.

I’d be really shocked if the Broncos pick an offensive player before the third, to be honest. I expect to see an emphasis on defense yet again.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 1, 2012 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if we picked any offense outside of RB early on

A strong running game is a big key towards the defense too. Controls the TOP and keeps the offense off the field and the defense rested. After last season, thats a big thing fox liked to do. So i think we’ll focus on the RB spot. Now do we take one in the first? idk. Really depends on who’s available. If Still/Brockers/Ingram are there, go with them over RB. But if they’re all gone and say Miller is there with some second tier DT’s, i say go with Miller

by Scotty Payne on Feb 1, 2012 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks!

At this point, I’m so deep into the threads going on in the comments, I can hardly remember what I wrote! Great stuff, as usual here at MHR!

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Good to see you back EJ

Thanks for putting this together. Although I agree defense is what needs the most work, the offense has its list of issues as well, starting with depth pretty much everywhere.

My biggest concern on offense is the line and namely, Chris Kuper. The FO must have a contingency plan in place, just in case Kuper begins the season on the PUP. I think dipping into FA may bring in a quality starter (if not an all pro from New Orleans) and depending on Ryan Harris’ health, upgrade at LG and RT as a minimum.

Looking forward to what you have in store on the defensive side of the ball!

I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.

by Horsepower on Feb 1, 2012 8:13 PM MST reply actions  

Good to be Back!

It’s amazing how we really do need depth EVERYWHERE on offense, and rather desperately at that! I’m more optimistic about Kuper’s return than some, but it just doesn’t hurt to invest in the offensive line.

Erras.

by ejruiz on Feb 1, 2012 11:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Amazing

We always need depth everywhere every year. But yes, This year it feels like we have a serious lack of depth on all offensive positions. But most of the free agents that we will need for depth will come inexpensively.

by Bleedorange on Feb 10, 2012 10:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Simple Offensive Dominance

The Solution to our offense is easy:
QB: sign Dennis Dixon as a back up. Sign (The)Jeff Garcia as a mentor
RB: Draft in 2nd Round (Isaiah Pead?) and re-sign Lance Ball
FB: re-sign Spencer Larsen
WR: Ted Ginn or Jerome Simpson
TE: re-sign Daniel Fells and sign Jake Ballard (he will be cheap because he is hurt)
OL: Ben Grubbs Re-sign Russ Hochstein
Ben Grubbs and Tedd Ginn will be expensive but they are mostly low risk high reward type guys

by Bleedorange on Feb 10, 2012 10:51 PM MST reply actions  

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Asst. Head Coach

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Broncohoodie_in_africa_small Troy Hufford

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Position Coach

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Broncos-von-miller_small Scotty Payne

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