Andre Goodman's shiny new contract
by 30%Right on Jan 5, 2012 11:39 AM MST
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For the Broncos to win on Sunday, Andre Goodman just needs to catch the ball and earn a new contract from whichever team doesn't invest heavily in a scouting department...The fates are lined up for Andre to have a huge impact on this game and do just that.
All season, we've seen Goodman's man running freely through the defense with Andre either trailing by a solid 4-8 feet or giving too much cushion on comeback routes. We've watched opposing qbs go to that particular well over and over. We've seen Goodman come up with game changing interceptions when opposing qbs have gotten too confident in their ability to attack him and have simply flung the ball in his direction knowing their receiver would win the ball.
We now have the great Ben Roethlisberger coming to town to set the scenario for Goodman. The Steelers will have obviously scouted the Broncos D and won't be fooled by any coverage schemes. Their passing attack is predicated on finding the defenses weakness and using Roethlisberger's accuracy to attack that weakness. Basic Football. Outs, comebacks, and slants. The Steelers know that the Broncos will unleash the dogs with VonDoom and that those outs, slants, and comebacks will be open all day long on Goodman's side and will obviously attack this glaring weakness and play right into the Broncos only chance of winning.
Roethlisberger can't push off on his throws and this causes one of two things to happen. His accuracy suffers as he tries to guide the ball with just his arm strength and the ball sails on the comeback routes; right to where Andre Goodman is usually helplessly watching...or his velocity suffers and the ball tends to be behind the receiver on the slants and outs; right to where Andre Goodman is helplessly chasing the receiver that has just torched him.
No quarterback at any level can resist throwing to a wide open receiver. Instinct takes over. With the scouting reports and gameplanning, they won't try to pick on Champ and, being the smart team they are, they'll go after the glaring weakness on the other side...unfortunately for them, as long as the Broncos don't change anything about how Goodman covers, I'm guessing Goodman gets 4 or 5 balls thrown right at him...if he catches 2 or 3 of them, he gets his new contract, and we all get really really excited about sending VonDoom after Mr. Flacco.
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Goodman will do his job but going up against Brwon and Wallace isn't an easy task.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Goodman is in the 3rd year of a 4 year contract so I have no idea what you are getting at.
Our UFAs are Bunkley (need to resign), M Thomas (need to resign), Woodyard (need to resign), Fells (whatever), and Royal (see ya, don’t let the door hit ya).
Probably a few other bottom of the roster types are UFAs that are not worth mentioning.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Do you honestly think they don't cut Goodman?
The "Experts" you see on television are all striving to be right 30% of the time. If they are right more than this percentage, they are not putting any opinions out there that will get a reaction and will lose their jobs. Something to keep in mind while basing your opinions on what you hear from the Hoges, Claytons, Cowherds, Esiasons, and Baylesses of the world...
Not until they get a CB primed for his spot.
There’s no way I want a 5’9 guy being my #2 CB, you think our defensive passing stats are high now, we’d be at the bottom of the barrel.
Win, lose or draw, we are the Denver Broncos! 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain't!
Are you talking about Harris?
If you are, Harris has outperformed Goodman all year long. Harris has easily been the second best CB on the team.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 5, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
In a nickel role
and playing slot receivers yes he has done well. He has yet to line up on a #1 or #2 receiver. I feel he will need more “seasoning” before you put him on an island with a #1 or #2 WR.
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Yes
I honestly think that. Goodman is not that expensive for a number two cb
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
That's because he is NOT a number 2 CB.
On just about any other team in the league, he is depth, not a starter. He has been outperformed week in and week out by an undrafted rookie. He needs to be gone. I love the plays he’s made for us on occasion, but we need to upgrade in the worst way.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 5, 2012 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
I think Goodman is probably a starter on a lot of NFL teams. I’ll name a few.
Oakland, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Chicago, Green Bay, New England, Carolina, NY Giants, Colts and maybe St Louis.
Andre Goodman may get replaced by a 1st round draft pick (and I’ll be fine with that), but he is not the weakest spot on our team or D. He has decent coverage skills and the body type of a #1 CB. He played as well in 2011 as he did in 2010.
Our weakness in the secondary is actual at FS/SS. If we had better safety play, it would scare QBs into more INT throws to our CBs. But QBs can easily work around our safety play because we have NO play-makers at either position.
Which pisses me the hell off because we’ve spent so many high draft picks at FS/SS over the last three drafts. Our scouts completely suck at finding FS/SS players.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
by McGeorge on Jan 6, 2012 7:40 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not saying he doesn't have starter talent.
In fact, he has flashes of brilliance. The problem is, in between those flashes he gives up big plays in clusters. The one play that killed me the most was the Chad Johnson (I will not call him by his name change, it’s just stupid) touchdown. And as far as those other teams you mentioned where you think he would be a starter, he may be as good as the guys they all ready have, but them picking him up would be a lateral move. It would not improve them at all. Also, he is getting up there in age for a DB, so he is almost certainly going to get progressively worse.
But you are absolutely correct on our scouting of rookies at the safety positions. It is painful to watch our safety play outside of BDawk, and if you believe the rumors, he may be done for good. This is very bad for our team.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 6, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
Dawkins is 39 so he should be done for good soon anyway.
The problem is McBath plays for the Jags and sucks, Bruton is a career backup, Moore looks awful and Carter is hit/miss.
that’s unaccepatble considering where these players were drafted. At least one should be an above average starter. So far, four mild to major disappointments. That may be unfair to Carter actually. He’s doing okay for a rookie 4th rounder.
Goodman is a lateral move, but he’s okay. In today’s NFL, teams pass for 400 yards all the time. CBs give up a lot of catches on every team. There is like… zero shutdown CBs in the NFL. I’m serious about that. Goodman does give up catches, but so do most CBs. He seems like an average #2 to me with good athletic skills, good ball skills and crappy tacking skills. He’s not some major liability like some here paint him as. He’s just a #2 CB in a league that stacks the rules against him because they want fantasy football fanbois to stay happy.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
by McGeorge on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
FF
is ruining football.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
by Digger24 on Jan 6, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Huge rec to this.
I despise fantasy football.
Never let them see you bleed.
My shit always works sometimes.
by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 6, 2012 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
Yes with the rules
which as McG said are for the FF fanboys.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
I think what he's trying to say is....
we almost certainly WILL NOT retain Goodie, so he will try to make a huge impact for us in the playoffs to show other teams what they’ll be investing in. I tend to agree with him.
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Exactly
a) He’s affordable
b) Finding a FA better than him will cost $$$$
c) If we draft a CB early, even then you ideally don’t want them starting day 1, 2012.
d) If we draft a CB early, you want them to fight for their spot in the starting line up. Competition never hurt anyone.
e) He’s better than all but one of our CB (you could make a case for Chris Harris, admittedly). So if we draft better than Goodman, worst case you need to slightly overpay a #3 or #4 CB on your team.
I’d be shocked if Goodman gets cut but hey, stranger things have happened.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 5, 2012 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
I doubt Goodman gets cut. Unless we draft two CBs.
Besides, Champ and Goodman are the same age. We’re going to need to new CBs at some point and if Harris is one of them, then we need a new starter CB and new nickel CB. If Squid is one of them, then we need a new dime CB.
I’m saying we keep Goodman and still take a CB high in 2012.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I see it as highly unlikely we draft two
Backup cornerbacks aren’t what we need. Where we’re lacking is in one of the future starter positions.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 6, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah I know
But you need to look at this logically. Do you really think Champ is retiring in the next two or three years? Do you think in that time he’s going to decine to the point where he’s not at least an average starter? So why would you draft his replacement now?? It makes no sense Digger when you have DL needs, WR needs, a RB need and OL depth needs. One CB and one CB only.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 7, 2012 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
Agree on Thomas, Woody (though he has lacked....
last years impact, agree on Bunkley mucho and Fells is ok as long as he comes on the budget. However on Royal I disagree bud. Mebbe I still look back on his first year and think of what could of been… I still watch his Rookie debut against the raiders….
I don’t think he should go. Rather I would see him stay. But as a returner and used as much as Hester and Cobb are used on their respective teams. Mebbe even less than Hester on offense. Pay him with a heavily incentivized ST contract and give him to the ST. Make him earn a turn on offense like the others.
We need a bad boy back there. And we haven’t had that dood since Gordon. And Gordon wasn’t near as capable.
Oh and Harris as a starter… Agree on what he’s done this year. However some are type cast perfectly for their role. I hope he has more but I’d settle for his current and very important role now.
I don’t see much difference between #2 CB and nickel CB. They both play a ton don’t they? You basically need three starting caliber CBs in the NFL. We have that right now, but two are old and what if one gets hurt?
We need to draft a CB in 2012 and still retain Goodman. Can take yet another CB in 2013. Hopefully Squid bounces back.
And hopefully Moore develops into the safety he was drafted to be. We get no freaking INTs from our safeties and that really pisses me off.
Eddie Royal SUCKS. He showed no effort on his routes Sunday. He drops a lot of passes, he runs crappy routes and he mopes. He is small, gets pushed around and hurt too often. He SUCKS and I want him no where near the Broncos next season.
Denver could easily draft a better return man in round 3. LeMichael James or the like.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I wish it were that easy..
As I see it the difference is not 1,2 or nickle.
These days teams have not just one or two bad boy mitts they have many. I grant you Harris has been amazing. However he has been amazing in the middle of the field side line to side line. I love his tackling ability and he seems to be at the point of contact a lot. But does that translate to dominating one side of the field? Thats the way the DBs play. Champ on one side(right), and whom ever on the other. Does Harris have the hips and speed to play true corner? I do not think so. I hope I am wrong but in my opinion he is the best Nickle back we’ve ever had. And in this new NFL that is a dood worth his weight in silver. Call him a short Safety cause he can do damage to TE and RBs. Mebbe this is even a new position in the new NFL. I know not new, but hello damn important!
I’ve missed Squid and his placement with the team. Distance and time do that. I think the penalty to Moore early on where he hurt the Bills guy hurt him too. His confidence. These guys are fighters and you ruin confidence you change a players game. Carter was different today and that was exciting. I hate long hair as I am an old Army type. Up till now he was all fluff. Today he hit with menace.
Eddies doesnt suck sir. And this is proven by his game today. Denver has failed him and now we get to see him go to Washington. We’ve not used him correctly. People cry for Harvin or Jackson. We’ve always had him. Just didn’t use him. Think back to the Jets game and how he pulled us out of the end zone near game end. I’ve never disagreed with you so strongly before. However, a player on the sidelines with head low during a rally should be smacked.
Now to the bad. Please tell me we have a solution at middle linebacker. Mays is a force in uniform. But damn he is ALWAYS out of position or takes a bad angle. Champ is not Champ. Either he is hurt or something needs to change. Hernandez burned him flat footed which NEVER happened. Bowe ran around him like he was Gordon of old. He would be an insane saftey still. Doc will retire. Please do so in health sir and I wish you the best Champ fill that void please.
Did anyone notice WW not in the game? He used to bring it. Mebbe C Harris fills the role? If he was injured please forgive.
Eric Decker is a Chris Carter study. Carter hates tebow. They work out together in the offseason Decker will become a cancer. Many have paid wrong attention to the wrong guy. Decker has had the worst body language of anyone. His hand come up on many Tebow arrant tosses. BTW F* Brandon Lloyd. How is life with the Rams?
James would amazing though we have have Johnson at RB. He is better than Bell and just as elusive. Why he doesn’t practice well eludes me. Game time he does contribute.
Prolly too much of a reply but MG I look forward to what you have to say.
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Agreed on Royal.
We should keep him, but make him primarily a return specialist. At this point, that is the only area where he makes a significant impact. I remember his coming out party against Oakland as well, and I remember thinking “this guy is going to be good”, but it just hasn’t happened. It is time to give his offensive spot to someone who will make plays and make him our ST game changer, a role he has proven in the past is an excellent fit for him.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
Ben is not afraid to throw on Champ
Like Rivers… he doesn’t really care about Bailey. I assume he will be lined on Wallace which means a big cushion and plenty of room for underneathe stuff.
Hopefully Champ can make them pay big time, but I’d be all right with a few passes defensed and no big plays down the field.
Is Champ still Champ?
Seriously I saw his ankles almost break from a TE against New England and threw that out as a bad play. Then to see Orton throw around him like he did has meh worried.
Is he injured and holding out?
If there ever was a game we needed our Safety core to step up - this would be it!!!
C’mon Rahim Moore…. buck up Quinton Carter…. show em’ what you workin wit David Bruton…. we need you fellas more than ever Sunday!!! I have a feeling even if B Dawk is able to start the game (which is kind of doubtful), he won’t play for very long at all. We need someone, anyone from that Safety core to BRONCO UP!!!!
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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
They are fast but if we can get to
their QB it could effectively nullify the “deep” threat. I say along with the safeties the DL needs to step up big too :)
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Just a minor detail to add
It is Ben’s Left ankle that is injured, so it is not his plant foot.
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then the Follow through
is the issue. The ball has randomly sailed or been thrown behind the receiver. Our corner most likely to be picked on tends to be in those spots
The "Experts" you see on television are all striving to be right 30% of the time. If they are right more than this percentage, they are not putting any opinions out there that will get a reaction and will lose their jobs. Something to keep in mind while basing your opinions on what you hear from the Hoges, Claytons, Cowherds, Esiasons, and Baylesses of the world...
Are you guys kidding me?
30% writes one of the best pieces of the year and you guys miss the whole point. Goodman is horrible and you know it. 30’s piece is not about BR or Steelers receivers, it’s about how bad Goodman is.
What he’s really saying is, that like we have been all year, we will be torched all game because Goodman couldn’t cover a queen size bed with a king size sheet.
Thanks Robb
but I was also holding out hope that somehow Goodman being so out of position could be a boon…but yeah…mostly just picking on Andre
The "Experts" you see on television are all striving to be right 30% of the time. If they are right more than this percentage, they are not putting any opinions out there that will get a reaction and will lose their jobs. Something to keep in mind while basing your opinions on what you hear from the Hoges, Claytons, Cowherds, Esiasons, and Baylesses of the world...
No, what he said was
Goodman sucks, but he hopes he’s good for one week so other teams think he’s good and we can trade him somewhere where he’ll get a new contract. Wouldn’t work, but I think that’s what he’s saying.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
Goodman out played Champ vs the chefs...
watch the game again. You cannot dispute it if you do. He (Goodman) was in position where Champ continually wasn’t. I hope it was an off game for Bailey but dang it was disconcerting.
**Said dang cause I don’t want to trip anyone up here.
I was saying 30% right said Goodman sucks.
I think Goodman is alright, but we are lucky he and Champ,for the most part, lasted all year.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
WOW !
I hope goodman dont read this .
by broncosfaninphilly on Jan 5, 2012 3:40 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Me too.
It reminds me of the Dre Bly situation. He looks very bad next to a 11 time probowl CB.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
by Digger24 on Jan 5, 2012 4:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we most definitely need to draft a CB in one of the first three rounds.
However, I think Goody will still maintain his starting position. No way both stay healthy again next year though.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
2 is a good idea.
Bailey, Champ 6-0 192 33
Goodman, Andre 5-10 191 33
Harris, Chris 5-10 190 22
Vaughn, Cassius 5-11 195 24
Thompson, Syd’Quan 5-9 191 24
Wilhite, Jonathan 5-11 185 27
Carter, Tony 5-9 175 25
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
This is Goodman's game to step up or make more room for competition...
If Dawkins is able to play…I’d rather he hold off until the 2nd half. Take the 1st half off unless they absolutely need him to play. Give the other guys a shot to step up and say “BD, we got this.” Use him as a halftime adjustment if needed.
The Steelers are going to air it out so hopefully the DB’s and WR’s are focusing on catching this week.
The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.
I really do not believe Ben is hurt.
And I’m not on a island with that train of thought, The guys over at profootballtalk.com are starting to catch on as well. The post that was most telling was this one where a Pittsburgh sports personality claimed that, " Ben’s limp happened right when Roethlisberger walked past an ESPN crew.
Ben loves to be “injured” for two reasons:
1) He keeps his tough guy persona.
2) Automatic built in excuse. And this is the thing he really cherishes, the above poster has already fell victim to it; blaming future mistakes on said injury.
And not to harp but lets go back to the game that he initially hurt the ankle. After spending many minutes rolling on the ground in agony (come’on, we all know one of THOSE guys) he went back in for an X-ray… Negative.
After the game he commented that he, “thought that it was broken.” I think bronco country can testify that we know what a broken ankle looks like! And on that note— that’s how you handle pain like a man. However; it turns out to be the most MILD ankle sprain one can achieve.
I’m calling it now, we will WIN this game, Ben’s mistakes will be numerous and without fail, after every mistake, he will examine his ankle (almost immediately) and then like Pavlov’s dog the announcers will start in with, “Looks like that ankle is really bothering Big Ben!”
Mark my words.
yep
i don’t like Big Ben. Good QB or not. just don’t like the guy.
by broncosfan1129 on Jan 6, 2012 5:53 AM MST up reply actions
Did you see the hit Big Ben took? He’s hurt.
And his play reflects that as well. He’s not playing well right now.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Yea. Its a nice theory, and Im sure its happened before.
But Ben is legitimately hurt.
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but not very concerned. i just hope he is getting up alot, and if he goes down in a pile, i want someone elbowing/kneeing/punching/twisting the limp into that ankle. GO BRONCOS.
Ive been hard on Goody. And its easy to to that watching from a couch.
But he gets picked on quite a lot. No one is going to adequately cover a receiver every snap. Bailey cant even do it. In fact, I think he has stepped up his play the last few weeks. He hasnt been a huge liability (but part of that may be the increased exploitation of our safety troubles). Having said that, we still need an upgrade. Looking forward to Squid and Vaughn returning next year and potentially improving.
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Funny...
I gave Goody the benefit of the doubt, but as I watched in person it got harder and harder. His man is open an incredible amount of the time, but the play that did it for me, was against Detroit on one of Harvin’s long touchdowns. Goodman somehow determined that it would be better for the team if he ran right past the ball carrier to hit the blocker rather than try to make a tackle. Check out the 1:45 mark on this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6PhMyB44k One of the worst plays I’ve seen by a professional football player
The "Experts" you see on television are all striving to be right 30% of the time. If they are right more than this percentage, they are not putting any opinions out there that will get a reaction and will lose their jobs. Something to keep in mind while basing your opinions on what you hear from the Hoges, Claytons, Cowherds, Esiasons, and Baylesses of the world...
misstated that.
The "Experts" you see on television are all striving to be right 30% of the time. If they are right more than this percentage, they are not putting any opinions out there that will get a reaction and will lose their jobs. Something to keep in mind while basing your opinions on what you hear from the Hoges, Claytons, Cowherds, Esiasons, and Baylesses of the world...
I'm lazy so no link,
but I’m sure you know Champ got burnt a lot last week.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
Yes he did, but I think that is as much the fault of the safeties as it is his.
He was playing off his receiver all game, that I would be willing to bet that it was because he didn’t have any faith in the safeties behind him picking up any plays he let get behind him.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 6, 2012 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
He can't take the chance for a pick
that he might if we anybody worth a shit back there for forever.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
Champ's going to bet burned
by guys like Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Bowe occasionally. Those guys are equal talents to Champ and occasionally they’re going to win the one on one matchups with him. Though I didn’t see Bowe score any TDs. Goodman unfortunately gets torched by everyone and was hopelessly out of position when the picks he got against the Jets and Viks were thrown to him.
The "Experts" you see on television are all striving to be right 30% of the time. If they are right more than this percentage, they are not putting any opinions out there that will get a reaction and will lose their jobs. Something to keep in mind while basing your opinions on what you hear from the Hoges, Claytons, Cowherds, Esiasons, and Baylesses of the world...
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