Broncos Drafting Pays Off in a Big Way
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 9, 2012 6:39 PM MST
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PrintThis is going to be short and sweet. There's been a lot of talk the past 2 years of the Broncos missing on high round draft picks. I ask all of you.... can it be silenced for good tonight? Not all high round picks come out year one, year two, or even year three and beast (Aaron Maybin... Aaron Rodgers). There are the Von Miller's of the world, but most times, it takes these young men time to learn/process the professional game. Big hats off to our youngsters today for growing up right in front of our eyes into men.
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I had to keep rubbing my eyes tonight folks cause I thought I kept seeing glimpses of Shannon Sharpe on the field. So many people were growing sick of DT for his injury problems, but you don't give up on a 6-4, 235 lb. man who runs a 4:38 forty that easily (especially in his 2nd year). Thank God some of us aren't running the personnel dept. at Dove Valley. I would include Decker.... but I don't think he was ever labeled a "bust."
4 catches for 204 yards (51 avg.) and a TD? DT must have thought he was still doing his thing for Georgia Tech. Thanks McD for this height, weight, speed, strength FREAK!!!! Bay-Bay in da HOWWWWSE!!!! Brandon Lloyd who?
Bust? Yeah..... bust a fool in the jaw!!!
Along side of Knowshon.... big Robert Ayers may be the most scrutinized pick from the Josh McDaniels era (Tebow should go without saying). I hope.... I pray that Broncos Country has finally quit being impatient with this edge setting monster from Tennessee. What Robert has lacked in pass rush moves, IMO, he's more than made up for it with sound technique when setting the edge / stuffing the run. It couldn't have been easy for Ayers to drop being a DE, learn being an OLB on the fly, then scrap that to go back to his original position.
Robert Ayers is home now in Dennis Allen / John Fox's 4-3, and I believe he's here to stay. This is a prime example of why we - as fans - need to show more patience with these young men coming out of college. The NFL game, I've heard, is a hard one to learn. No more cutting draft picks after a couple of years..... look where that got Shanny.
Off and on, I have been guilty of dogging on Zane... how stupid can I be? Zane Beadles is a young, probably overdrafted Guard.... somewhere I heard it takes time for young O-Lines to gel. Along with Kuper, Beadles is phenomenal at pulling and getting to the 2nd level.
I was pretty sure Zane was safe with the new regime cause Fox loved himself some Utah O-Lineman there in Carolina.... Jordan Gross wasn't exactly a world beater his first couple of years with the Panthers. Beadles compares greatly to Gross, who has some years on him in the pros. If Zane can even come close to Gross, ceiling-wise, then we have ourselves an earth mover. Zane and Clady gave up the 2nd fewest negative runs to left side in football this year.
I think every single player on the O-Line has earned the right to keep building continuity with their offense, and I want to see these men as Broncos for the next decade +. One trait all our lineman have in spades is toughness.... I love it!!!! We have the makings of a Super Bowl caliber line here in Denver.... let's enjoy it!!!
Like Beadles above.... McD's philosophy and misuse of an O-Line (+ Orton's awkwardness in the pocket) made Walton look like a bust before he even got the chance to truly begin. I'm seeing a trend on our Line with these tough bastards, and I likey!!!! Walton has been responsible for some elite running up the gut, and he's only gonna get better. I want to see him in orange for his entire career! There's nothing like a bully in the middle of the trenches.
Possible Gems?:
These are some more guys from the McD regime who I think need to be shown a little more patience...
I promise you guys..... let him have another year and just watch the production. 17 TD's his first two years..... not too shabby if you ask me.
Syd'Quan Thomspon
Yeah.... losing him sucked, but we're paying him nothing and there's no reason he shouldn't have a chance to compete. I know he wasn't drafted high enough to be considered a bust.... but I think he will fit in so nice with the new defense.
I know he's not a youngster, but I had to honorably mention his name for his play in replacement of Kupe. Who knew that Hoch could play this well? We've had no drop off whatsoever with Kuper gone.
In summary - McDaniels the coach flopped horribly. But as it turns out, McDaniels the talent evaluator possibly recruited us a Super Bowl. I would have put Tebow on this list.... but I never thought for a second he was a bust.
GO BRONCOS!!!!!!
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I am forced to agree with your closing lines.
I was extremely vocal regarding my desire to see McD gone after the wheels came off at the end of his first season. I thought his coaching was abysmal and his drafting possibly worse. When we drafted Tebow, I was initially upset. I didn’t think he would be a particularly good player and I hated what we gave up to get him. I saw how he handled the Alphonzo Smith debacle and I cringed. I am very happy to eat a measure of crow in regards to McD’s eye for talent. He may not have been able to use ’em, but it seems he could pick ’em.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 9, 2012 7:12 PM MST reply actions
Maybe MCD wasnt half that bad...
Really wish we didnt give him all this control. Brought in Elway to run things and had MCD run the offense and bring in a Defensive guy.
But our offensive core, is very very young. Add Franklin, Thomas and Green? Man we’re young
For sure.... those players you list are the future
especially Franklin…. but I wanted to focus on McD players for this one. I have to keep reminding myself that Julius Thomas was a B-Ball player the majority of his collegiate days. It’s no secret as to why he’s being redshirted….. the same with Nate Irving who just so happens to play a position with a lot of responsibility in the job description.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I agree it's still early too give up on Moreno
but we need to get another guy or 2 at that position. Mcgahee is old, and Moreno has been good when healthy, but hurt wayyyy to often
Agree on Moreno
Let’s give Moreno more chances, not his fault he was overdrafted, it doesn’t mean he does not have the talent to be great!
by JulianPerez22 on Jan 9, 2012 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
agreed Scotty
Ball and J. Johnson leave much to be desired.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I just hope after he has been injured
he knows that the white lines on the field are not for tripping over.
Sarcasm aside. If Knowshow plays like he did just before he got injured, He can be a GREAT 3rd down back. That screen pass he ran into the endzone was his best run as a Bronco until the KC game where he ran like that most every play. No stutter step no moves that only faked himself out. Just running strait forward. If that is the Mereno that comes back, We will have someone that can really help this team move forward.
Old floppin' Gumby legs Moreno
Studesville needs to help him learn to settle the H down.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Pale you're a little guilty of this too
I know you’re still not too high on our safeties…and I cant blame you, but bro, they been comin on in a big way lately. They’ve only had a year, (well not Bruton, but he’s coming around) and we’ve grabbed 4 in 2 years. We need to develop these guys too. And to me Knowshon is just as bad as Mc"Ice"Bath. I hope he can turn it around, but we need to draft a RB in a big way. And we still gotta wait on Irving bro, you know how Fox likes to bring rookies in slowly. I bet he starts next season. Great post though, and rec’d
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Keeping McBath
I think McBath was worth a roster spot. He was over drafted but his talent was true.
by JulianPerez22 on Jan 9, 2012 11:51 PM MST up reply actions
No he's went to IR with the Jags
dude is made of glass
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yep
No question he’s not cut out for the NFL.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
No question I am Calikula
No doubts at all…. I still fear Rahim Moore was a poor choice there in the 2nd. I’ve even been down on Beadles, Ayers, and Moreno some in the past. For this post though, I wanted to focus on players McD brought in. But you are right…. no matter how down I’ve been on some of the rookies this year…. they deserve another shot or three.
Having said that though…. no one hits on every draft pick, and there’s still a good chance Rahim Moore, Nate Irving, and Julius Thomas aren’t going to pan as starters. Hey, last time I checked, a football team needs depth too.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
BUUUUUUT
the thing that separates, Fox from McD is that Fox was and is still willing to work with the talent he inherit, and he did not show the door for whoever wasnt a yes man, besides, i think our GM had to do with the playes drafted, even when that coward doesnt want to admit it, he had to do a lot with the players taken, i still dont like that he threw under the bus his old boss (McD), but Xanders has an eye for talent
by gabriel suarez moreno on Jan 9, 2012 9:59 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
So true
If someone didn’t fit the parameters of McD’s system exactly right, they were normally SH canned.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
We’re not saying that McD didnt find talent; it’s just that one, everyone finds 3-5 solid players from two drafts, especially if they have so many high picks. McD traded down well, but traded up horribly: a first in a strong draft for the phonz, two 3rds for richie quinn, etc.
Agreed
Some of his picks were, and still are, head scratchers. But there was a time when every single pick he made was viewed as a bust.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
OK. I give the guy credit for finding some talent with a glut of high picks
But let’s be honest. If we had all those picks again and our current talent evaluation process, do you think we would have MORE or LESS. I say MUCH MORE. If we had not blown up our talented offense and had to re-draft almost every position, would we have MORE or LESS? Moreno, even if he does come back and plays well enough to be the third down back that everyone hopes, that was still WAY WAY overdrafted. I do not see how that can be a positive to McD. Same goes with some of his other picks. DT may pan out in the long run. Ayers, while I am happy with his production at his current position, was also way overdrafted.
Even though we have talented players in some cases, the cost for that talent was too high. Every team has some level of buyer’s remorse and drafts have to be evaluated over the long haul, but in the drafts that McD ran, can you say that we got good value for the picks?
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes… Tebow has certainly risen to the occasion and many of us believed he would. Many believed he would fail. Truth be told, we are a long way from writing the final chapter on this, so the tale remains untold, but the potential looks more and more promising. Of course, that ONLY happened AFTER McD left. There was never any indication that McD would have been inclined to form an offense around Tim’s strengths. In fact, all he ever talked about was remaking Tim. We do not know what his vision for this team was, but it seemed clear that he did not have the capacity as coach and leader to achieve it, regardless of the players he brought in, mostly because he had no ability to tailor the team to it’s strengths. I must say that the Dawkins signing is my favorite free agent now, but I thought at the time B-Dawk was pretty much done. If he had gotten this neck injury back then… Injuries happen, but they happen more often to older players.
by Da Bum on Jan 10, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't argue that Da Bum....
but on the other side of the coin…. EVERY talent evaluator in the league misses on a regular basis. Yes… that’s right…. Ozzie Newsome, Ted Thompson, Scott Pioli…. all have had drafts where their high picks didn’t amount to much.
Baltimore: Sergio Kindle ~ Mark Clayton ~ Dwan Edwards
Green Bay: Justin Harrell ~ Brian Brohm ~ Mike Neal ~ Patrick Lee ~ Brandon Jackson
Kansas City: Tyson Jackson ~ possibly more
Honestly man… I don’t see all of McD’s high rounders as being overdrafted, other than Beadles.
Ayers, Moreno, DT – all went exactly where they were supposed to go. Moreno was the first RB to go that year, regardless of who took him… and he was going to go in the 10-20 range. Same with Ayers, who some hailed as the best defender in that draft. Dt is too big, fast, strong and tall to be considered overdrafted…. as you are seeing now.
Having said that… McD’s 2nd round from 2009 was THE worst I’ve ever seen. McBath, Alphonso Smith, Richard Quinn – all bums of epic proportions.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Dont forget he traded a first for Phonz
And his 09 1st round is massive fail too. You’re switching to a 3-4 D, and you pick a 4-3 end when you could have had Matthews and BJ Raji? McDaniels liked to draft system players, unfortunately, he would often draft players for the wrong system. And forget about developing Tebow. He would have never brought him along like Fox has.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
This is where I stand
Hindsight is 20/20 and some guys do not work out. However, for what we have and what we used to pick them… I think we got poor overall value for the guys. The Raiders found McFadden, but how many rounds of high draft role players or flat out busts. DHB… he might have been a first rounder, but not at where they picked and what they COULD have gotten. The point is making the most of what you have. Many teams have quality personnel guys that do just that. I felt like this draft we got quality at every pick. I am not a big college guy and hence I do not follow the draft all that closely, but some of the moves McD made made me simply shake my head. And then it was a big BS cover up… well, we did not have enough time to prepare…. blah blah blah.
They could have looked up a couple of mock drafts on MHR and done a better job than that crap
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Alphonso Smith has the ability to FAIL on national TV games like no other player in the league. Hate that we wasted a next year’s #1 on him, but do not wish for an instant that we still had him with us.
by Bradoncadonc on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I think you should put Bruton on this list.
He showed up to play against the steelers. Hopefully Bruton can do the same against the pats. I’d put him up against either Pats TE. The guy has a nice combination of speed and size.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 PM MST reply actions
I agree. Bruton deserves some recognition.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Jan 10, 2012 1:00 AM MST up reply actions
meh
some I guess, but really the dude is a backup at best.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
He didn't play like a backup last game.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 10, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
He had a couple of nice plays, but he also got schooled repeatedly by Heath Miller, who was often open by five yards. And he also got blown out of position a number of times in run defense. Even after that game, I am way more comfortable with Bruton as a backup than a starter.
That being said, I thought it was cool that he was a substitute math teacher during the lockout. Kudos for working with the kids.
by Bradoncadonc on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Bruton
I think has raised his game this year for sure, and let’s not forget about his special teams play either. I cannot believe no one has mentioned DECKER !! Lots of potential there. Sure he struggled the second half of the season, but he was lights out the fist half. As much as I hate to give credit to McD, by my count, 9 of our 22 starters were his doing. 8 from Shanny too.
I left Decker and Tebow off
because Decker was never viewed as a bust, and Timmy Tebow kind of goes without saying…. he’s pretty obvious. I tried to explain in the post why…. guess I should have been more clear about it.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
Great post! Patience is a virtue.
That is a fans greatest negative. We always want instant gratification. Some of the greatest players took a few years to show the greatness.
"There will be no miracles for those who don't believe!" " You can not win without faith!" "Losers doubt, and watch it happen." "Winners believe, and make it happen!"
Moreno
I agree with most all of your post Pale. I just don’t see what you see in Moreno. IMHO he is a long way from anything remotely close to what we thought he was going to be. I think we have been pretty patient with him. I would not be surprised if he and Royal get dealt.
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Good post - the key point I think is patience.
The recent play of Ayers & Bruton has been wonderful and if they keep this up we may look back on the 2009 draft as a servicable one, rather then the train wreck it currently looks like.
Moreno – lets wait and see. Like Ayers he might have been overdrafted but that’s a sunk cost now. If he can stay healthy and contribute as a 3rd down back then that would be OK. Its not like he will be able to command 1st round money when his contract comes up for renewal down the road.
What would Blackie Lawless do? Well he'd probably wait till after the playoffs are over before speculating as to what happens in the offseason....
I think we have an excellent argument for having THE BEST offensive line the entire league.
We are obviously trucking other teams in the run game (which I hear o-lineman love run-blocking). And I dont care what any of you think or say, they are SUPERB in pass-blocking. Tebow has literally all day to throw. Even in the buffalo and KC games, Tebow literally has 4, 5, sometimes like 6 seconds if he scrambles, to throw. That is unheard of in the NFL. 2-3 seconds is an eternity in the pocket. Add in that they are the second youngest o-line in the league.. we have no where to go but up with these guys.
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Wholeheartedly agree
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I like your comments, Pale
You are right… Nothing to disagree here. I’ll try to add some info here later to your post.
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"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
No on Ayers and Knowshon
Ayers had the best game of his career vs Pittsburgh, but they guy had 3 sacks all year. He’s an ok run stuffing DE who dominated a terrible Pittsburgh OL. If he wants to play here for the minimum to rotate in on run situations, cool, otherwise… buh bye.
Knowshon… Please, dude has had more chances than most and has proven that he’s never going to be more than maybe a 3rd down change of pace guy. He jumps up after every play like he almost broke it…. Problem is, he’s never actually broke one. Pass, cut him.
The thing I find most ironic
For as little personal integrity that McDaniels had, I find it curious that he did seem to focus on finding guys with strong integrity. Of course, I have serious doubts that he could ever have led such a team effectively, but it does strike me as odd!
He learned from the best
One thing about Bill B….. his #1 emphasis is on “TEAMWORK.”
If any of you get the chance, go watch his series on a “Football Life.” Your respect for Bill B will go out the roof.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!
I didn't read the thread so this may be repeating what someone else already stated.
I agree with your “talent evaluator” statement to an extent, but a friend and I were chatting on the phone about that very thing last night. We came to an agreement (because I said the same thing you did) that it is only partially true because Josh traded away some pretty good talent and it seems like he overlooked that. Granted, his drafts are turning out pretty good and I see good things for everyone on your list, but we had a darn good Offense and really needed to focus on the Defensive side of the ball after it had been neglected for too long.
That said, I really enjoyed your post Pale. I have been a fan of Zane, JD and Kupe from the get go.
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It was a FF team to McD.
He made his choices on the fly, taking what he could get for guys he didn’t want. Most worked out. IMO though a new HC should not come into a job wanting to tear things down. He had other offers. He could have taken the job with a team he saw as a good place to build what he wanted. Denver was not it. We didn’t have a 3-4 defense, a power running game, or an owner who would sell out to the illegally videotaping of opponents. Glad he’s gone and as my wife says, “they can have him.”
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