McDaniels Reties Broncos to Patriots
by IanHenson on Jan 9, 2012 3:25 PM MST
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Just before yesterday's Pittsburgh Steelers at Denver Broncos game it was confirmed that former Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels would be returning to his former team the New England Patriots in some fashion (as they currently employ an offensive coordinator).
Now I am big on storytelling and spotting a possible circumstance in which McDaniels might draw a team full of Tim Tebow, Demaryius Thomas, J.D. Walton, Robert Ayers, Zane Beadles and the many other, "Mistakes," he made as a head coach with general manager powers while he was in Denver was just too poetic.
See, being on my side of the keyboard you get a higher pedestal, but you also don't have much between yourself and those who disagree with you. I spent the last two years defending McDaniels it seems. It all started with some beef between McDaniels and Jay Cutler and ended with a failure to report some video.
McDaniels never gave up on the Broncos, they were forced to let him go. As the team continues to play and the NFL continues to move forward the more and more McDaniels looks like a genius. Just look at yesterday's final play. That was Tebow to Thomas. Thomas you will remember was a reach and was picked ahead of Dez Bryant and Tebow... Well, you remember.
This season was supposed to feature the ultimate showdown, Cutler was returning to Denver to face McDaniels and the Broncos. Cutler ended up being hurt and McDaniels was long gone. There was a Tebow/Kyle Orton showdown, but it was basically for nothing and might as well have been an exhibition game. Denver went to the playoffs despite losing.
However, now, it what really can't be looked at as a revenge game for the Broncos--being that a large portion of the players currently employed by Denver were either signed or re-signed while McDaniels was employed by Pat Bowlen. It's more of a revenge game for McDaniels and here in lies the poetry...
McDaniels has to compete against a team that he hand picked and the only real way for him to justify his time in Denver is by losing. No, I am not saying that he will throw a game, nor do I expect him to give anything less than every single thing he knows about the Broncos to New England. I am saying that it's a win-win for him. Win and he's the better coach, lose and he lost to the team he put together.
Fans will remember that McDaniels was the offensive coordinator in New England before signing with Denver to be the head coach. What fans probably forgot is that McDaniels got his start not on offense, but on defense as a defensive coaching assistant. Being that the Patriots currently employ an offensive coordinator McDaniels could simply be floating around assisting whichever department needs the most help.
As I said, I don't expect many Broncos to look at the signing of McDaniels to the Patriots for any type of extra motivation. The embarrassing way Denver played against New England in Week Fifteen should serve as motivation enough; for McDaniels though this is one heck of a trial by fire with a lot to prove.
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That pic is sick.
Like he is reaching desperately to be apart of the Broncos future superbowl wins…
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 9, 2012 3:36 PM MST via Android app reply actions
haha, thanks for reading that much into it.
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Great work Ian thanks
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Thank you for reading
as always.
"A man without enemies is a man without qualities." Al Capone
"Literature is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to people who have none." - Jules Renard.
Nothing gained as far as an advantage against the Broncos.
They can just watch the tape, and learn everything they can get from him.
All players are diff now than they were then.
REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].
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by Trapped in O.C. on Jan 9, 2012 3:42 PM MST via Android app reply actions
Is it just me...
I personally feel that the Broncos should contact the NFL and ask that McDaniels remain off staff until the end of the season. Not because it’s McDaniels but because of the coaching change period! We could call Vincent Jackson from SD to play WR for Decker if he can’t go, so why should the Pats be able to bring in another coach and MAKE a position up just for the hire. This position wasn’t a current position until Penn State hired the OC and even still he doesn’t leave until the Pats season ends. Do anyone else feel this way. I think it’s a sham and shouldn’t be allowed. How can the league let a team make up a coaching position just to bring someone in before another team can make an offer. Should be illegal and held as tampering just like if Denver tried to bring in a new player prior to the end of the season.
I don't know that
The Broncos would actually make an issue of it, but I do agree with you.
Or we could bring in any one of the defensive coordinators that handed it to us last season… That or Eric Mangini.
"A man without enemies is a man without qualities." Al Capone
"Literature is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to people who have none." - Jules Renard.
What are the odds
McCoy has changed ANY of the terminology from the past offense? Same OC McDaniels hired so pretty much just and end around the whole taping thing. And McDaniels got his start in the film department at New England.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
For those who say "In the BCS, every game counts," the 2011 season is telling you to "shut up!"
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Jan 9, 2012 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm sure he was planning on installing the read option.
Probably all identical.
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 6:51 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
You don't know what the issue is, but you're sure there's an issue.
Got it.
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"The longer they play, the more they lose. In the end, we get it all."
by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 6:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It's definitely messed up...
…and sets a bad precedent. Playoff teams shouldn’t earn the right to gut eliminated teams for the postseason. Of course coaches are going to want to hop on a Super Bowl contender and get a ring, leaving teams that need help developing (like the Rams) in the dust.
by YouAreSignedIn on Jan 10, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe the Rams shouldn't have cleaned out their coaching staff before the season is over, then.
And the Rams let McDaniels go. They didn’t want him, and having him go to New England means the Rams don’t have to pay McDaniels out for the rest of his contract.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe the Rams shouldn't have cleaned out their coaching staff before the season is over, then.
And the Rams let McDaniels go. They didn’t want him, and having him go to New England means the Rams don’t have to pay McDaniels out for the rest of his contract.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 AM MST up reply actions
It does seem wrong, but I think if McD were to be restricted from joining the Patriots for the remainder of the season it wouldn’t keep him from getting New England all the information he has on the team. In addition, I doubt McD has that much more significant info on our team than the Patriots already have on us.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Jan 9, 2012 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
This is simply something
for the media to talk about, it is of no consequence and won’t give the Pats any definitive advantage
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
Agree its no big deal
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Very interesting points but...
It looks like one of those issues that pop up from time to time. You want to cry fowl but I would suspect that the lawyers already covered all the various contingencies. Other than maybe being slightly in poor taste… What difference will it really make? I’ll bet anything there will be a shot of Tebow and McD at games end win or lose.
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by SSinSD on Jan 9, 2012 4:13 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Actually, you can bring in new players.
You can’t trade for a player, but if there is a player who is not on a team, you can sign him still and he would be available in the playoffs. For example, with the injury to Decker we are short at WR, we could go out and sign Terrell Owens or Randy Moss if we and they wanted too. Same goes for coaches.
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McDaniels was "on a team"
Not a free agent.
by YouAreSignedIn on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Actually he was not on a team
The whole staff in St Lou had been terminated. So he was free to go whereever he wanted and the Patriots or any other team was free to hire him.
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I was thinking the same thing
When I heard that the Patriots would be getting McDaniels, I was quite surprised to see that a team could get a coach from a team right when the playoffs start. Like you said, it’s not that it’s McDaniels, it’s the just the fact that they got a coach. Also, since he was previously with this team. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something done about this for the next season.
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Smells of spygate
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by chaucer on Jan 9, 2012 9:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I was a McD supporter. I believed he was slowly building this team into a powerhouse with his picks to unleash a offense that would inevitably be unstoppable. He may have done this with another few years. But I was wrong. His inability to fix the defense, exhausting practice philosophies, and unethical management were too much of a problem. The Broncos are better off without him here.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Jan 9, 2012 4:00 PM MST reply actions
I don't want a cheater as my head coach
John Fox is not flashy nor dynamic, but he has perfect integrity and pushes the right buttons when it matters most. McDaniels is a snake oil salesman
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
Cheater my ass...
He forgot to report that his video guy pointlessly taped part of an open practice in full view of the completely aware 49ers.
McD’s downfall was his contempt for the MSM. He flunked PR 101, and was too stubborn or stupid to adjust.
by Pigskin on Jan 9, 2012 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
either way he's still a douche
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting take re: MSM
Hadn’t thought that way before.
"A man without enemies is a man without qualities." Al Capone
"Literature is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to people who have none." - Jules Renard.
Forgot? What?
He was at New England when the league smacked his team and his boss with 3/4 of a million dollar fines for taping another teams practice…and he “forgot” to mention it after his buddy gave him the tape? The NFL, not the Broncos, the NFL escorted the tape man out of Dove Valley. The footage was uploaded onto franchise owned computers. Your telling me he just plumb forgot to mention it? Please.
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by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Jan 9, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
I know
I hate the apologists, he was a cheater that learned from the man in Belichek on how to cheat.
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The only thing worse than a cheater
is a losing cheater. Let’s get real here, he was ran out of town because he couldn’t win and it was getting worse. He lost the teams confidence, the owners confidence and the fans confidence. I didn’t see Bellichick going anywhere when the same thing if not worse happened to him.
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Yeah, he briefly turned the Broncos into the Cheatriots Lite. Good riddance.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 9, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
we're back to normal now
and we will punish the Cheatriots!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
You guys are right. “Forgot” is the wrong term. I should have said “it never occurred to him” that you could “spy” on an OPEN practice.
He earned his way out of Denver, no doubt. I think he was in over his head and maturity level. But let’s try to be real now and then.
Again,
It was not only against the rules, but 1.) every other team seems to not get in trouble for it, except the Patriots, 2.) When McD was there!
So how, exactly, does a football savant not have it ‘occur to him’ that he and his assistant were violating the rules, even though both had been involved in a similar incident within the preceding few years?
Agree with you, let’s try to be real now and then.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Explain to me how a league sanctioned open practice— by that I mean a practice in which the media was invited to watch and film at will— can be spied upon, and I’ll eat my words. All McD had to do was ask any outlet for all the footage he could possibly desire. But instead he commits reputation suicide? Yep. Makes a ton of sense.
This event was a more impressive mythical media creation than “McD tryin to trade fer Matt Cassell”, so please forgive me for refusing the sheeple dupe role on this one.
Ummmm...
The fact that there are rules saying “You’re not allowed to videotape another team’s practice.” That right there suggests that someone on the team videotaping it was more or less “spying.”
By your rationale, the Patriots did nothing wrong either, then? They were videotaping signals during a game, which was broadcast at least regionally. It was a game open to the general public, so anyone could have videotaped what the Pats did, right? So then why did the NFL come down so hard on them? And back to our situation, why did McD initially choose not to report it, if he felt he had nothing to hide?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
AND
You’re still not addressing the other point. He had been involved in a very similar situation not so long before. How could he possibly not know that it was against the rules?
- Nick
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- Sun Tzu
No, he was/is an arrogant little guy. He was unable to develop loyalty or trust as a coach or a peer...
(think about how his fellow coach Haley felt about him). If he had a winning personality he might have been given a bit more grace in his last OC job, but was canned quickly when that went south. I think this was why Bowlen so easily let him go when he did, McD was/is an organizational cancer. Humility goes a long ways even in pro sports and being able to say “I don’t know what I don’t know yet, but I will learn” is a quality he does not possess. If you act like you are the smartest guy in the room all the time you had better be because if it’s not true people will have no loyalty towards you. (including the fans)
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by rubincarterrocks on Jan 9, 2012 5:23 PM MST up reply actions
your ass is dumb. he cheated. he knew. he lied about it. DUH
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2012 6:49 AM MST up reply actions
He was a LIAR
He flat out lied to us from the get go.
boom
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2012 6:50 AM MST up reply actions
goes
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
the dynamite!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
Meh
3 of his 4 starting D linemen of the 03 SB team were busted for PEDs.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 10, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
I too was a McDaniels supporter
I dropped off after the video scandal and seeing how the rteam seemed to not like his ultra secretive ways. I like the Allen and McCoy updates each week and how the players just answer questions freely. I like the openness of the Broncos now.
That being said, except for Alphonso Smith he didn’t do a terrible job of drafting and I say that because I believe if he is here next Knowshon Moreno will be a very good 3rd down and change of pace back
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 9, 2012 4:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
OK
McDaniels was a draft savant/offensive genius but the video scandal tarnishes it all
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Offensive genius my foot
How did the boy wonder manage to field the NFL’s worst offense with Sam Bradford, Stephen Jackson, and Brandon Lloyd? At least Shanny earned the label, all McD has to his credit is the 07 Pats, and that is looking like it was more Brady and less McD
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quinn? Orakpo?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2012 6:51 AM MST up reply actions
Josh McDaniels
won’t have any impact on this game if the Pats win, he has nothing to do with it
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:06 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Given Josh's stellar performance over the last 2 years...
I’m all for him going to the Pats and telling BB how to play us.
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by asinsoin on Jan 9, 2012 4:12 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Personally I never considered Demaryius Thomas and Zane Beadles mistakes.
And Robert Ayers seemed like a mistake because McDaniel’s drafted a DE to play linebacker.
you see, the man is an imbecile
it took a real coach to put Rob Ayers where he really belonged and obviously he is a stud!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
imbecile? Really?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
he was so smart in St. Louis
I fail to understand why so many people are defending McDaniels here, yes, he drafted Tebow and Demaryius Thomas but he disgraced the franchise
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree he disgraced the franchise with the video deal
Totally. I can’t speak for St Louis at all because I mean I didn’t follow them. But I do know Belichick and Brady are not stupid, far from it and they see a value in letting McDaniels run one of the premier offense in the league.
I only question your use of the word imbecile. I think he was overconfident and ambitious but he is also very smart and knows how to run a high powered offense as you will see next year. I hear Brandon Lloyd wants to follow McDaniels to NE. You tell me, Brady to Welker, Hernandez, Gronkowski and Lloyd with McDaniels calling the plays? Sounds like at least 500 points to me
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
He disgraced the Franchise by putting uncaring loser on the field
Bey Bey has looked good with real coaching this year. The O-line has looked better and better with real coaching this year.
Sorry, putting your brother, your gardener, and the homeless guy from the street corner in as coaches and trotting out an apathetic team week in and week out will get you fired from pretty much any team.
by Da Bum on Jan 9, 2012 7:21 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Ugh Wink Martindale
Can you imagine if he was still here? I bet the Broncos would set a record for most points allowed in a season
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DT has been awesome and I do love the unity Fox has brought
Curious who you were referring to as the uncaring loser….is that Orton?
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 10, 2012 6:57 AM MST up reply actions
Orton is a loser
no way we beat the Steelers with him at the helm, no way on God’s green earth we are in this position
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 8:38 AM MST up reply actions
I know the "imbecile" bit was tongue in cheek
But I’ve always wondered why other coaches got more out of certain players…
- Nick
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My 2 Cents
I never questioned his ability to find quality offensive talent or his abilities as a coordinator. However, McDaniels did fail as a coach. He was a micro-manager and bristled players and coaches alike (ie: Tony Scheffler, Brandon Marshall, Jay Cutler and Mike Nolan). I can understand if he didn’t get along with one or two players (no one gets along with absolutely everyone), but it was several people. I would love him as our offensive coordinator now, but never as a head coach and general manager.
Even with his abilities to draft Tebow, Thomas and even Robert Ayers (had a huge game yesterday and great season), I don’t see him coaching this team to the playoffs. John Fox was the right personality after 2 years of McDaniels and 14 years of Shanahan.
by jmdeshazer on Jan 9, 2012 4:20 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
all of this is true
I agree wholeheartedly
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
Totally agree here
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
How is he a good coordinator?
The rams were one of the worst teams in the league. He was their offensive coordinator and they couldn’t do squat. He drove our team into the ground. He was only considered good because he was a disciple of Belicheat. Hell, I’d make an excellent offensive coordinator of I was under Belicheat and had Tom Brady as my QB.
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by go4broncos on Jan 9, 2012 8:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you. Saved me some keystrokes
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I think he would be fine as a personnel guy, maybe.
Maybe even a QB coach. But planning and scheming aren’t his strengths. He doesn’t have vision.
I feel it more an Ethical thing.
And it goes to show how dispicable that franchise is.
by CenCalBronco on Jan 9, 2012 4:30 PM MST via mobile reply actions
of course
why else would I, as a Broncos fan when we were bad several years ago, be so happy for the Giants to defend the integrity of the league when they took the Pats out. I do believe Mr. Kraft is an honorable man but Belichick is crooked
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly, while not illegal it's at the very least
not good form and shows little respect for your peers and other franchises. Hopefully the NFL will put a rule in place that won’t allow that kind of movement before the SB is played.
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by rubincarterrocks on Jan 9, 2012 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
An "Unwritten Rule," right?
One of those rules you make up when you don’t like what happened.
There’s nothing unethical about this — every team is free to do exactly the same thing with a player or a coach. If there was similarly good fit for the Broncos, if their OC was committed to leaving the franchise at the end of the season (a circumstance arising in the middle of a playoff run) and a perfect match existed not only to help with that run and take up some of the slack created by an OC who suddenly has two obligations, and ease the transition to next season, Fox would be a fool to not take that up. And no one here would be squawking.
The only thing that is firing this furor is the fact that McD briefly piloted the Broncos. Absent that and we wouldn’t ve having this debate.
Respect? How is this even remotely in the vicinity of coming close to having anything to do with the shadow of the penumbra of that concept?
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 7:00 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I disagree.
If players have to be contracted through the end of the NFL season, and not just their team’s season, coaches should be too. Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, and a plethora of other players who are technically FAs, have to wait until after the SuperBowl to begin negotiations.
I just think that’s fair. Coaches are just as important to a team as its players; we all know that. If someone has the potential of impacting a game, but belongs to a team that didn’t make it to the dance, other teams shouldn’t be allowed to cherry pick them. In general, teams won’t release such players for fear that a rival might pick them up and utilize them successfully. This doesn’t so much apply to coaches, but I feel that there needs to be something in place that states that coaches released from teams that didn’t make the playoffs can’t sign with teams that are in the playoffs.
I’m not saying this just in terms of the conversation being had in this specific situation, but in general.
Do I think BB and the Pats took McD because it would help them against the Broncos? To be honest, I don’t know and I don’t really care.
Do I have a problem with it? Sure, but not because it’s “cheating” or anything of the sort – I have a problem with the idea, regardless of the teams involved.
IMO that’s an unethical way to try and earn a ring, and to beef up your stock when your contributions were minimal.
If players have to be contracted through the end of the NFL season, and not just their team’s season, coaches should be too. Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, and a plethora of other players who are technically FAs, have to wait until after the SuperBowl to begin negotiations.
The Rams let McDaniels go freely to the Patriots.
Why? Because the Rams don’t want him as a hangover from the previous coaching regime, and by letting him go to the Pats they don’t have to pay out the rest of his contract (which they would if they just canned him).
If the Pats were to cut Tom Brady tomorrow, there’s nothing to stop the Broncos from signing him. Transactions don’t stop just because some teams do – and technically the players on expired contracts are still actually under contract until free agency begins.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2012 3:05 AM MST up reply actions
Which is what it should be for coaches, too.
Expired contracts should culminate at the beginning of FA.
How is that unfair?
Who gives a crap if it’s ethical? It’s legal. You guys fired him in 2010. He then signed with another team the next season. The Rams released him out of his contract. He is a FA like any other player in the NFL.
Ok, hypothetically, let’s say the Broncos didn’t make the playoffs, and decided to save money on player X who had a guaranteed contract for next year and they cut him.
Would it be ‘unethical’ if a playoff team signed him to a contract and decided to play that player in this post season?
The Pats needed an offensive coordinator. If they had to wait until March 2012, they might have lost Josh to KC, the Jets or another team not in the playoffs.
Dallas did the same thing in 2009.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 10, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 9, 2012 4:32 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
You know that the pats are gonna call up
KC s Romeo crennel for tips on what worked 2 weeks ago vs the chiefs .
by broncosfaninphilly on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM MST via mobile reply actions
That would next surprise me in the least
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Or we could call up
everyone we still have on staff to use what worked during week 15.
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by Adam Fox on Jan 9, 2012 4:44 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Offensively I think we can throw more this time
Against New England. We need to expose their weak secondary. KC did a decent job with their press coverage and our game plan played right into their hands. NE’s corners are not as good the 2 Brandons from KC.
I would McGahee can stop fumbling too. Lately (exhaustion?) he has fumbled nearly every week with 2 against the Steelers.
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I would hope*
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
31st pass defense in the league
You got it. We can definitely throw on this defense. This group is not KC’s secondary. Not even close.
With what we showed last night, I wouldn’t want to be tasked with game-planning on the Patriots side when they know they gave up 250+ yards rushing last time. Pick your poison, boys!
something about
NE’s insane turnover ratio, we beat the Steelers man-up, who many analysts thought would go all the way this season. New England’s recent playoff past is nothing to brag about. We’re better than the Jets team they faced in the divisional playoffs last year. We can beat the Patriots, it’s all about execution and not turning the ball over
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
we should be able to run on them and throw on them and if we mix it up on first down for a change who should get them completely off balance. if can put together 4-5 6 minute drives we can reduce Brady’s face time.
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 10, 2012 7:00 AM MST up reply actions
We’re better than the Jets team they faced in the divisional playoffs last year.
No. Aside from that 45-3 beatdown, they had a good team with an idiot qb. Their D was ranked in the top 5.
13-5>9-8
by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 10, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
Definitely.
I’m still surprised that the Bills ever punted — I would go for it every time. The Pats haven’t proved they can stop anyone.
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
21-0
Buffalo led, it still astounds me how NE turned the tide from that time on, when you have the Pats in a hole, never relent, that’s what I learned
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
We did come out fast and throw early on them
Then we coughed up the ball multiple times in a row and before we knew it, we were being run over.
I think we match up very well with NE. Our D needs to show up better this time around and make Brady sore. Von has had several weeks to get used to this cast, so now it is time to let it go!
According to NFLN...
they already called him
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Jan 9, 2012 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
You know what would surprise me?
If Fox hasn’t already called everyone in his coaching tree who has faced the Patriots and asked for their input. You know why that would surprise me? Because he is a conscientious and able coach, and that’s what coaches do.
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 7:02 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Hey, Voice of Reason
You don’t belong here! How dare you interrupt the fusion of Bible verses and football stats to display your blatant homerism and rule-circumventing philosophies. There’s a place below bedrock where people like you go.
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by Adam Fox on Jan 9, 2012 7:20 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I know.
I believe the biblical appellation is “Foxboro.”
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 7:24 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
I thought it was spelled "Foxborough?"
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 11:05 PM MST up reply actions
it is....nice call Bradfather!
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 10, 2012 7:02 AM MST up reply actions
I am a copy editor by trade :)
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
It's can be spelled
both ways. The shorter designation is used in postal addresses and media use and everyday conversation and so on. The longer designation is the formal name of the town that is very rarely used outside of the “Welcome!” sign.
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So ...
We have the Rams, Chiefs, and Patriots all getting together for a Broncos playbook BBQ … this is bullshit.
by Oregon Crush on Jan 10, 2012 12:50 AM MST up reply actions
They dont know anything
The offense is completely different under Tebow. Very little left of the Orton offense, which is what McD ran. Our defense is a non factor too. New OC, new scheme, a ton of new players. If Allen does leave to the Rams, well, at least he’s out of the conference. So its not affecting anything
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Meh
Rex Ryan called his brother, who was the D coordinator for the Browns in 2010, before the Jets played the Pats in the playoffs last year.
Rob called Rex for advice before Dallas played the Giants.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
No genius
Sorry, but the Tebow to DT play was set up by Denver’s ability to run the ball, something McD never could comprehend a need for. I find it pretty scumbag of him to slink out of St. Louis after costing Spags his job and running back to hide under Belichek’s skirt. If you want genius, look at Fox, McCoy and Allen and Elway in being able to take a three year project and make Tebow into a playoff winning QB in a season with no offseason and changing the offensive philosphy midway through the season.
McDainels can go kiss Belicheat’s ass and hope he gets another shot as a HC and can fail again like so many other of the Belicheat’s diciples.
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2012 5:03 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
"hide under Belichek’s skirt"
That’s exactly what he’s doing. Can’t make it on his own so go back where he feels safe. Everyone knows Belicheater runs the show anyway. Perhaps McDaniels can rebuild what little reputation he has left so the Cheater can send him out to destroy someone else.
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by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Jan 9, 2012 5:16 PM MST up reply actions
just as sure as Peyton really runs everything in Indy
Jim Caldwell is only an NFL coach because Tony Dungy is a really selfless person, regrettably the decision to bring Caldwell along with him belies his vast football knowledge
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
Fox and Elway get credit for Tebow?
Hm, thought they weren’t always Tebow fans.
It is what it is
McGenius didn't want to play him either...
McGenius saw the same crappy Orton (remember he brought in Orton) performances as everyone else and said openly, Tebow wasn’t ready. There were absolutely no signs that McGenius had a clue what he was going to do with Tebow. There is absolutely no way anyone can say the franchise was going the right direction under McDaniels. Fox and Elway can’t take credit for drafting him but they sure as hell can take more credit for using him then McD ever can.
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by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Jan 9, 2012 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
He wasn't ready.
He still isn’t ready, as successful as the team has been. It’s a shame the Denver fanbase forced Fox’s and Elway’s hand because Tebow could have had a chance to become a passer out of the spotlight. The kid winds up like a windmill. He gets better every week and if he’s given enough time, I think he will be a very competent passer. But no coach in his right mind would have started him last year. Only necessity prompted Fox’s move; fortunately, the Raiders are terrible.
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 7:06 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Well
Having your HS coach brother working with your future star and giving him no real attention is not the way to develop him either.
Worked in 2007 for Brady
And did pretty well in 2008 for Matt Cassel.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2012 3:08 AM MST up reply actions
This is a great comment
Tebow really should have been put on the Steve McNair development plan. I still believe, other than TT being left-handed, Tebow was most similar to McNair coming out of college.
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No Orton's completely crappy play forced EFX's hand
They werent getting anywhere with Orton, and needed to see what they had in Tebow. Id bet my dog we dont make the playoffs if Orton had piloted the ship
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by Tuscani on Jan 9, 2012 9:09 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It’s a shame the Denver fanbase forced Fox’s and Elway’s hand because Tebow could have had a chance to become a passer out of the spotlight
This turned it about Orton. The fanbase didnt force Fox’s hand, Orton’s crappy play did
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Jim Rome of all people
called out the extremist Tebowites on the radio Monday when he said Fox is why Tebow succeeded, Fox acted willing to build an offense around Tebow’s skills. If you learned anything from the Lions game, it was that everything about the Orton era sucked, the offense, the turnovers, blech
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
think about it
suppose we had left the offense intact after the Lions game, what would have happened? McDaniels was a my way or the highway a-hole, had he remained, things would have been really disastrous, I’m sorry I offended you
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
Fox DID play a huge part in Tebow's success here
McD would have been flexible enough to bring back the option and go to the ground like Fox did. Remember, Fox brought back the ground game and the D, the 2 things that have helped Tebow the most and coincidentally the 2 things McD the boy genius could never figure out
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Right, about the Orton play.
Orotn only “gave us the best chance to win” when no other team wanted him.
Which leads back to the original comment: Had the fan base not pushed for the No. 3 QB on the roster, there would be no reason for this artcle because we wouldn’t be in the playoffs. Period.
GB 2
Orton dug his own grave
it’s his own fault the Tebow era began, one ignominious half against SD was the last straw and we’ve been on fire since then!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 PM MST up reply actions
Yup if Orton had shut the fans up and went 3-1 or even 2-2 over that period of time
then maybe we could have made the playoffs with him. Anyhow, his crappy play forced the FO’s hand, NOT the fans
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Tebow was never the #3
that was a media invention
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that is true
I think, BQ was always #3
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
Always was, until him and Tebow got promoted
otherwise Quinn would have ran out for the 2nd half vs SD
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whoops I meant I don't understand how its even debatable why Orton was yanked
I’m in full agreement
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
The problem with McD, as we are starting to realize is that when he missed on a pick.....
he missed by a mile.
In the end, I am sad that McD wasn’t mature enough for the job, but I am grateful he mortgaged the house to get Tim Tebow. That alone is enough for me!
by Tim Lynch on Jan 9, 2012 5:18 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
It would be interesting...
To know how much of a say Xanders had on the Tebow selection. Probably not much…
by Dan Hart on Jan 9, 2012 5:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I agree Tim
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 10, 2012 7:04 AM MST up reply actions
J McD to Patriots DURING the Postseason!?!?
This sickens me that the NFL, would allow a coach who knows the Broncos fairly well, to move jobs DURING the postseason(while he is still under contract until season is over), the week that another team plays the Broncos! Its pretty much cheating! What the heck, this is worse than denying the CP3 trade to the Lakers!
not all of us are Lakers fans though, just kidding :)
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
anything that is bad for the Lakers is fine with me! lol
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by rubincarterrocks on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Not a big deal
The Pats aren’t going to change what they have done all year because McD is joining them this week. That would be nice if they did though, take those ridiculous TE’s out of the game.
As far as hiring an old coach goes, maybe that would be wrong if McD had been fired by Bowlen during this season, but it was last year, might as well been an eternity ago. Not much different from a team signing a player recently dropped by the team they are playing next. Seems sneaky, but nothing new.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
Forgot about that
McD has no idea how to use a running game or TE’s
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that's true
Rain Man McDaniels would be pissed if he had the likes of Jimmy Graham and Porn Star Gronk on his team
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
This was all part of Belichick's master plan!!
Let McD go, have him go around the league for a couple years causing a huge trail of collateral damage, then rehire hi as the OC.
Profit.
by Bustafluff on Jan 9, 2012 6:09 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Well
the Broncos are good again and the Rams suck as they always have, McDaniels has had virtually no effect
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
Except the Bears went to the NFC Championships last year
And looked like they might again. In the end, I will be happier with Tim as our QB (blessing in disguise), but it was still a franchise crushing blow. If Tim Tebow were Cam Newton on this team… yikes.
I wish McDaniels all the best. I was sorry it didn't work out for him he, Mre.
Yes he made mistakes while here. Chalk it up to immaturity and being given more power than he was ready for or capable of handling. Maybe if Denver had hired Elway back then too run the football side of the operation things would have been different. Maybe we would still have/be stuck with (depending on your pov) Cutler, Hillis, Marshall, and Schefler. Who knows.
The issue with the video coordinator was poor judgment. He was loyal to a friend who needed a second chance. I am sure he regrets that decision. But he has experience as a HC now and that will help him when (not if) he gets another chance, probably as Belicheks eventual replacement in NE.
As far as what happened in St Louis, no talent at WR & OL plus once Bradford got hurt they had a revolving door at QB. Hard too operate under those circumstances.
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This is well-thought out and generous.
You have no future as a sportswriter.
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 9, 2012 7:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
so you're saying he has integrity and a conscience then
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 10:50 PM MST up reply actions
This is mostly well thought-out
but how do you KNOW this: "The issue with the video coordinator was poor judgment. He was loyal to a friend who needed a second chance. "? There is no way any of us know if that was the case, or if he directed the actions, or if he chose to cover it up to gain a competitive advantage, or if there was a rift in the time/space continuum and he was temporarily possessed by the spirit of Bill Belly-cheek.
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so now Bill Belichick is a shaman, that's creepy
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 9, 2012 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
Your right, I only know that they were good friends.
The rest is what I have chosen to believe
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Good comments my friend
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 AM MST up reply actions
Never understood why your owner gave him too much power. I can understand that if Josh had previous HC and GM experience.
His massive ego must be humbled if he decided to return back home.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
Let's put the Mc"D"-sucking in check ...
Sure he drafted some of the starters. Notably, Tebow and Thomas. But also:
Ayers, Beadles, Decker, and Walton; and acquired a few more via trade and free-agency: Goody, Dawk, Mays, McBean and Colquitt.
But the contributions of Mike Shanahan:
Champ, D00m, Clady, Kuper, Prater, Royal, DJ, M. Thomas, Woodyard and Larson.
And that of EFX:
Fells, McGahee, Von, Franklin, Bunkley, Chris Harris and Quinton Carter, are what make up the 2011 division champion Denver Broncos. If I’m going to heap credit on someone besides the players, I’m heaping it on this coaching staff, because regardless who put these players in Orange&Blue, they put them in the position to succeed, and so far, so good.
Also, rather than say it’s a win/win for McD, I say it’s a lost opportunity. No matter what happens on Saturday, he lost out on a chance to be a part of this team because of his actions as GM/Head Coach. Too bad for him, but so far it looks great for the Denver Broncos.
by Oregon Crush on Jan 9, 2012 6:53 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
McD has never had the ability to LEAD
His success has always come with strong veteran leadership on the field and a strong HC. He could not have led this team to anything but another high draft pick.
McD
That all being said (well said and req’d) do you think we would be in the same situation we are currently in if McD was still HC? I truly doubt it. He would have lost the locker room after week 4.
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by timmaybronco on Jan 9, 2012 11:46 PM MST up reply actions
I think that was his downfall last year guys didn't like him and stopped playing for him.
Except Brandon Lloyd who was targeted on it seemed every pass. He loves him ;-)
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 10, 2012 7:07 AM MST up reply actions
McD has to be frosted.
Fox is stealing his thunder. HaHa.
The best of the 2011-2012 season is yet to come.
If he's gonna be as effective in NE as he was in STL this season
then it’s a nonissue. In fact, his presence probably only helps Denver’s odds of winning. :)
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by Joe Medina on Jan 9, 2012 10:46 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
+1
it does help or odds of winning!
I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar
by timmaybronco on Jan 9, 2012 11:49 PM MST up reply actions
Ian....agree and rec'd
for several reasons which were deleted when I accidentally hit enter intead of shift, but I’m glad they were. Have no desire to get into a whizzing contest here. Thanks for being even tempered.
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McD in NE has nothing to do with us..
We are done with the McD era. His presence anywhere,in no way, effects us. Let the two cheaters be back together! No point in trying to spin it any other way. There is nothing McD could tell Belichick that he doesn’t already know. IMHO
I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar
by timmaybronco on Jan 9, 2012 11:53 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
this is true
Belichick taught McDaniels in his scumbag methodology but Hoodie knows more than Dark Sith disciple ever could, especially since Belichick has tight ends that he actually throws to, what a crazy idea
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
Honestly, I do not care that Josh is with the Patriots
I don’t hate him nor do I think he gives them any advantage at all. Unless he goes in for Brady (I could only wish) I thin kits all mind games by Belichick. Tom Brady knows us from several weeks ago, Josh didn’t know the team when he coached it. Plus I think a few guys like McCoy, Gase and Studesville might have a chip on their shoulder about him. I am sure Mr. Bowlen would love to beat the Patriots in front of McDaniels.
We need to remember that McD was what 5-22 in last his 2 years of coaching? Not that impressive. I think we need to focus on hitting Brady and disrupting their offense and controlling the clock.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
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