Questions about the Spread Offense
I don't know as much as some of you about the spread. I understand what it is but not why QBs from that system don't succeed in a pro-style offense.
My other question, is why wouldn't the spread work in the NFL?
In the book, "War Room", Scott Pioli states he would never take a spread QB.
For example, why wouldn't the QB from Houston do well in a pro-style offense.
Someone please elaborate?
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Dont get "the spread" confused with a read option
The spread can refer to a passing or running offense, while a read option can be run out of the spread but is a running offense. “The spread” is incorporated in pro ball today, just look at all the four and five wide almost all teams run at least a little these days. When people refer to “the spread” in relation to college ball today, they are usually talking about the read option or some variant of it that incorporates a little quick pass. Now the read option is not in the NFL, I guess Tebow would be a exception. If you call him an exception then perhaps some people could add the ‘wild cat’ offense to this as well. The reason why the read option isnt run is because you can get your QB killed. In college the best athlete on the field can be the QB by far, in the pros DL are athletic and huge. QBs cant run away from everyone.. anymore. Of course if your QB can run like a RB or is a RB then maybe it can work in the pros.
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Why this wouldnt translate to the pros
is just a combination of a couple things. Mostly its not having any experience taking a snap from under center. There’s a lot of stuff that goes into this, footwork and and seeing the field are the hardest to get over. The difference in seeing the field in the gun vrs faking a hand off (play action), turning your back to the D, and then turning you head around to make a throw is night and day. Then there’s the part about throwing the ball down the field that’s required in the NFL. College spread offenses are typically not teaching a QB how to throw a deep cross. It’s just not part of the game plan
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Like everything else in Pro Football, not everyone can run a run option in the NFL
The QB has to be very mobile, plus be able to throw pretty good (right now this is the part that bothers Tebow). Also the OC has to be able to incorporate more passing on the move into the options (so far McCoy hasn’t done this) so the defense can’t strickly play the run. He also has to incorporate some reverses into the plan. The more options he can put into it the harder for the opposition to prepare to play it. Since Denver is the only team to play this scheme that makes it extra hard for defenses to prepare to play Denver.
I think we will see a lot different run option offense in 2012. I think they will incorporate the TE into it as pass receivers and even a few more options of how to run the ball.
Kansas Bob
Please remember
This offense was installed into Denver’s offense during the BYE week so they could only put so much into it. Wait until you see the “rest of the story”. lol
Kansas Bob
Almost no one thinks the Spread won't work in the NFL
Because it’s currently in use by a number of teams, heck we ran it for two years under McD. The issue, like Foilhat said, is with the Spread Option or Read Option. The biggest issue, thought there are a few, centers around personnel, to run the Spread Option well requires a specialized running back, offensive line and a very mobile and tough QB. The Option is a very specialized offense, and actually really isn’t used as a pure offense (minus the Broncos for about 4 games) though a number of teams do use the Option regularly, including Tampa Bay, Carolina, Cleveland and Seattle.
So while it’s unlikely to see us return to such a heavy use of the Option like we saw early into Tebow’s, because after a while teams were able to defend it, we should expect to see it used regularly, because if used at the correct times and not too regularly, it can be an effective weapon, you just have to have the personnel and coaching to make it work.
Other than that, Foilhat’s comments answer the rest of your question I believe.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Personally, I believe it remains to be seen whether or not a read-option based offense can work in the NFL
As Foilhat pointed out, the spread is widely used — the Brady use it quite a bit.
Drew Brees was the product of a spread offense at Purdue, so was Orton for that matter, but Brees shows that spread QBs can make it in the NFL.
Topher gives you a good thumbnail of the read-option. The biggest issue with the read-option working in the NFL is execution. The players have to be able to make each play look exactly alike at the beginning of the play for it keep the defense guessing.
It also requires the QB to be able to make a quick read AFTER the ball is snapped. The decision to hand the ball to the dive back or keep it is not made until after the center has snapped the ball and the QB has read a key defender.
The potential of the read-option in the NFL is fascinating. What it attempts to do is present a defense with virtually an identical look on each play, but each play could be any one of a variety of plays: a normal pass, a play action pass, a dive run, a QB keeper, a 3rd option pitch out, a screen pass, a rollout pass . . . the list goes on and on. In that, it’s not particularly different from what other offensive systems try to do — fool the defense.
To say that it doesn’t include passing is something of a misstatement — look what at Tebow’s passing numbers under Urban Meyer at Florida. Meyer’s system, in essence, duplicated the philosophy of a West Coast Offense. The WCO uses a short horizontal passing game to open up longer running and passing lanes. The read-option uses double and triple option runs in place of the short passing game of the WCO. In my opinion, that is the area Tebow needs to most improve — the ability to pull up and accurately throw a short pass.
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The read-option could be a valuable asset to Tebow's offense when they finally learn how to play the traditional pro-style offense...
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by bfree2bronc on Feb 15, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Yes Bill!
And the read-option is a great match when your QB is capable of throwing great deep bombs. And Tebow already showed he can do it very well!
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by Fabio Broncos on Feb 15, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions
Everything works to a certain extent
But QB’s don’t survive long term in the NFL running the ball and all the rules favor the passing game.
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I'd agree, to a point
If all the QBs do is run, they’ll get killed and the NFL has tweaked the rules to favor the passing game. But running QBs who can also pass can have long & productive careers:
Flutie (19 yrs), Tarkenton (17), Cunningham (16), McNabb (12), Zorn (11), Vick (10), Douglass (9), Young (5).
Also, the read-option, when run correctly, incorporates effective passing that takes some of the pressure off of the running QB as a runner.
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by Brian Shrout on Feb 15, 2012 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
I like Tebow scrambling or taking off when he sees an opening
But I hate it when he runs straight into a defense that’s ready for it. Running backs only have a 3 year shelf life for a reason.
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You are correct that to use the run option in it's purest form
probably won’t work but if a offensive genius used it as a base offense and adds various options to it, it could revolutionize the NFL. The is so many options and variations off it that it could drive DC and defensive players crazy. A lot of it’s success will depend on how much McCoy & Fox wants to incorporate into it!
I truly expect good things from in and Tebow in 2012 and beyond!
Kansas Bob
The "spread" offense is designed to spread the defense out creating mismatches...
If you will notice Tom Brady’s offense is in the spread quite abit with 4 and 5 wideouts. We all know how successful he is in it…Tebow and his receivers aren’t familiar enough to play spread profiiently yet, and there are many reasons why; OLine youth and continuity, receivers being familiar with Tebow’s timing and the talent level hasn’t produced enough yet to be competent, and Tebow’s own strengths with decision making, timing and acuracy. With a full offseason of working together with the coaches and offense we have a chance of making great strides from last years efforts…
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For what it's worth
There will be a 3-part MHR Primer series on the Urban Meyer offense coming out soon. What we saw in 2011 was only scratched the surface of what it can do & I think people will be surprised at how much of a “conventional” NFL offense it incorporates
The 2011 Denver Broncos: An E ticket ride
by Brian Shrout on Feb 15, 2012 12:21 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Very Informative
When I think of revolutionary spread offenses I look no further than the University of Houston. I like the Brees and Orton reference from their days in Purdue. Here is a link that I have found and hope its helpful.
http://www.bign2football.com/xs1.htm
1. They create one on one match ups.
2. They allow you to take advantage of the speed your team has.
3. They limit the defense by formation.
4. They reduce blitzing.
5. They reduce the number of blocks that need to be made.
6. They reduce the amount of time that blocks have to be held.
Here is another link from espn http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4327427.
Though I expect Denver to attempt to transition to a more traditional offense at some point I think its a matter of personnel and strengths. I understand Tebow is the face of our franchise but with an entire offseason for defenses all across the NFL to prepare for this particular offense, I would expect Tebow to make strikes in the mechanic aspects of the position of QB.
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An Urban Meyer reference link
http://www.topgunqbacademy.com/PDFsVideo/TheMultipleWestCoastSpreadOffense.pdf
What I enjoyed about this link are the many references to the former Washington Redskins’ Joe Gibbs (guess he administered the bunch concepts and traps).
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