Players We Should Look at (From My Neck of the Woods)

Nice. I usually get tired of hearing about the same old players so I love it when new ones are brought up.

Great hearing about these names. I can’t wait for the combine!

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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM MST reply actions

Thanks bro

I’m the same way. Glad you liked it.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions

ditto....

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by TrainDriverIvan on Feb 2, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions

Cool

Especially Vinny Curry from marshal would be a great catch!

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by BroncoinCA on Feb 2, 2012 12:00 PM MST reply actions

agreed!

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions

I like... what's that guys name?

Oh yeah, GUY. If we don’t go the FA route for a SS.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 2, 2012 12:05 PM MST reply actions

double agreed!!!

I think even if we do sign a FA (Bryan Scott or someone of the sort), we could benefit from Winston Guy, Jr.. The only Safety on the roster I trust right now for the future is Quinton Carter. Rahim Moore… Rafael Bush… David Bruton… all make me nervous. IDK why… but this team can’t hit on a Safety to save their ever flippin’ lives!

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions

At least we got a twofer last year.

The trade down with SF got us the 2nd rounder and fourth rounder we used on Moore and Carter. Some mocks had us taking Moore at #36 anyway so we got Carter free.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 2, 2012 7:55 PM MST up reply actions

very true Digger

I vividly remember every single stinkin’ mock in the country had us taking Rahim Moore with that first 2nd rounder of ours. I also remember shaking my head each time, thinking – please Lord no!

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 8:01 PM MST up reply actions

The Marcus Thomas hate is unwarranted

The guy just had arguably his best season as pro. He’s improved every year he’s played, in spite of changing systems and defensive cordinators constantly. DT is not a postion you can simply look at the stats and say “He’s not cutting it”. Marcus Thomas has talent and it would be very short sighted to let him walk.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

I have to agree with you CH74

I love what Thomas has done. Plus he works really hard and to me seems to be improving ever year.

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by Earthtiger24 on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions

What has he done?

other than play. He doesn’t pressure the QB and he’s a DECENT run stuffer. He’s a backup at this point. Could he get better? Possibly… he is pretty young for a 5 year pro. But 5 years is a long time. You would think we’d see SOMETHING by now. If Devon Still, Michael Brockers, Jerel Worthy, or Brandon Thompson is sitting there when we pick, you can’t tell me they couldn’t upgrade the Under Tackle position.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions

We have seen something

We’ve seen him improve his game in every season except for his first year in the 3-4. We probably would have seen a lot more if we had any sort of continuity on Defense. Statistically, Thomas and Bunkley had nearly identical seasons 2011. Why is the consensus that Bunkley outperformed Thomas? I think it’s because of the expectations Broncos fans had early on with Thomas. Those expectations were probably a little high for a fourth round pick to begin with.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions

Dude, Pro Football Focus

and several websites saw the worth of Bunkley. These are respected sites. PFF had him as a first team All-Pro DT for the year. By their measurements, Brodrick Bunkley was THE best run stuffing, 4-3 DT in all of football. Marcus Thomas is never mentioned on these lists, nor should he be. I saw him get ran on a lot in the last few games of the year. At least Bunk is an elite run stuffer, where Thomas is only decent.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions

Then how did they end up with identical TFL numbers?

How do you explain that? They also had nearly identical tackle stats:

Bunkley: 43 total 33 solo 10 asst. 3 TFL

Thomas: 43 total 29 solo 14 asst. 3 TFL

It’s easy to see Thomas fail if you are already looking for it.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

not fail, but not as dominant as Bunkley

any football analyst in America would tell you the same thing. Bunk clogged the line many, many times so other guys could flow to the ball. Marcus Thomas had a decent year stuffing the run. He wasn’t as dominant as Bunk…. the games didn’t lie. Neither do these sites that watch game tape all day, saying he was the best run stuffing, 4-3 DT (or NT in our case) in the NFL.

Your bias towards him is blinding you… he is not a MUST sign. Bunk is!!!

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 3:59 PM MST up reply actions

It's not bias, Pale

Just a belief that Thomas is not quite as bad as we tend to make him out to be. Thomas’s reputation tends to suffer a bit because he was part of some of the most horrific performances the Broncos Defense has put up. He plays a position that is hard to quantify with stats. We drafted him in the fourth and put first round expectations on him from the get go. I see his improvment through the turmoil as a bright spot in those years. If he continues to improve in every season he plays, whats not to like? That improvement tells me he is working to better his game. I’ll take that everytime over someone who comes into the league with an abundance of talent, then doesn’t even try to get better.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM MST up reply actions

He is such a young dude

it may be foolish to let him walk. I guess it all depends on who else is willing to pay him what? But for a 5 year pro, Marcus Thomas is about a year older than some rookies. I do wholeheartedly agree that he has more talent in his pinky than some DT’s do in their whole body. I just want to see him take a leap next year…. no more baby steps. Is that impatient of me?

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 8:03 PM MST up reply actions

I think that is a reason

Why he started so slow. He was just a kid when he was drafted. Between that and the lack of continuity, its a wonder he has stuck this long. It’s not impatient, I understand where you are coming from. I think with the continuity that Fox brings to the defense and adding Del Rio, Thomas could be in a position to break out if he stays

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 1:23 AM MST up reply actions

I agree. Thomas and Bunkley should be resigned. the rest can walk if we can find better options in the draft or FA

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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions

It's not hate man

I don’t hate any Bronco. However… like Lance Ball, I just don’t see where all the Marcus Thomas love is warranted either. But I seriously doubt it’s going to set us back if walks. What has he done for us lately? Yes, he plays…. that’s about it. In our defense, we have to find an Under Tackle who can get after the QB. Thomas, thus far (how long is it going to take? 3 more years?), has not done that at all.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions

He's a solid player

You don’t let solid players walk unless you have a known quantity to replace them with. None of these prospects are known quantities. The only time you can have stars at all 11 spots is in the Pro Bowl or Madden. Thomas is not a true UT, he’s more of a tweener that can effectively man either tackle position. That alone makes it worth keeping him around. I think we can upgrade the position without letting Thomas walk. The more talent we can keep in the rotation, the better. You don’t keep talent by throwing it away. McBean can walk, keep Bunkley and Thomas and add an early round UT with some athletic ability.

You’re placing way too much emphasis on the pass rush when we are in a pretty run heavy division. The key to success up front on defense is versatility. We’re going to need both rushers and stuffers. The deeper the rotation, the better.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions

who said star?

I just said an Under Tackle who can get after the QB. That is what the Defense is designed to do. 1 DT is a NT (Bunkley is as fine of one as there is for a 4-3), one is a gap penetrator who makes plays in the backfield. Thomas CAN do this, but I’ve never seen it with any consistency. And for the record, I like him as depth. That’s a pretty athletic guy for depth… but not as a starter. How is me wanting a stud DT a Madden wish? I’m 33, never play Madden anymore, and make fun of people who think football is Madden.

Marcus Thomas is a decent DT, we need to at least look for a dominant one. At least one who’s dominant at his job of making plays in the backfield. Which, last time I checked, pertains to more than just rushing the passer. A penetrator who can stop the speedy backs of the West before they get a full head of steam.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 3:52 PM MST up reply actions

We agree here a little

I’m only advocating for him to stay, not proclaiming him a starter again. You said he must go and the team would be better for it. I disagree there. Has he lived up to the high expectations we’ve had for him? No, but that doesn’t make him a bad player. He has been a solid contributor on the D. If you are looking for a dominant DT, you are looking for a Star. Most of the guys that play the position are guys that show up and do their job, thats what Thomas does.

If you look closely at Bunk and Thomas, Thomas is actually the bigger body at 6’3" 316 vs. Bunk at 6’2" 306. Of the two who would you peg for the UT? If you are looking for a pass rushing UT, McBean had more Sacks and TFLs than either of them, but we all agree, McBean can take a walk.

I played DT Pale, its not a glamour position unless you’re a freak talent like a boy named Suh. It’s a rare talent there that can play both the pass and the run. Thats why you diversify your rotation and hope you have the right guys in there for the play that they’re going up against.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions

sorry for saying that

I should have said, it doesn’t matter TOO much if they go.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions

I can only go off the info given, my man

We got it all cleared up and it’s all good.

I did’n’t mean to hijack your post with this, and for that, I am sorry!

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions

no way bro

this is what I want. Dialogue.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 4:23 PM MST up reply actions

I would peg Thomas as the UT actually

he has some athleticism that Bunk doesn’t…. but I KNOW Bunk is more powerful (at least upper body, regardless of size). The size doesn’t matter so much… it’s the skill set. Marcus Thomas is a decent, rotational, run stuffing DT.

I do agree that hardly any glamour is associated with the position. Bunk isn’t glamorous by any means. but how sick could this D be with a Suh type player forcing guys into VonDoom’s awaiting jaws. NONE of our DT’s can do that with any consistency. Bunk included.

I know you have this view of DT the way you do… but does that mean we shouldn’t want to find a freak? We don’t have a true freak in the DT core. Bunk is a beast, but not a freak of nature stud. I think we should strive to find “our” Kevin Williams, Suh, insert name.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions

If we can get a freak, we should

But we don’t really have to drop Thomas to do that, unless he wants too much money. Draft picks and FAs are usually unknowns. I would hate to loose Thomas and then miss on “the freak” and end up with nothing. Thats not a good way to build. Thomas is a good insurance policy.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 PM MST up reply actions

we can agree on this my man

I would gladly take Thomas again as a valuable depth player. I think he’s way more talented than Unrein, Vickerson, and McBean combined. He’s still a super young dude too, so we may have a gem sitting there.

Let me ask you this bro… who else would you mark as a high priority RE-signing? My 2 cents… Woodyard, Prater, Bunkley. If I’m not missing someone… everyone else I believe we could live without. It might not be ideal, but we could get by without them.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 8:06 PM MST up reply actions

We need to sign Prater to a contract

Lock it up and throw away the key. Woody I am a little iffy on, it sounds like he wants out from behind DJ, but he is a sentimental favorite and a great leader. Woody/DJ is a whole other can of worms that around here that could spawn debate for days. I’d like to see Royal re-signed simply because we are suddenly thin in the receiver corps and I like him as a returner.

With the DT position, I think Warren is an unknown at this point. He should be well rested by the time he hits the field again, but I doubt he comes back in the same form he had in NE. Vickerson is another question mark. If these guys can come back and contribute, awesome! That really is the biggest reason I want Bunk and Thomas both re-signed.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 AM MST up reply actions

I don't think anyone is clamoring for him to start pale or saying he will be an all pro

but Thomas is definitely the 2nd best DT we have on the roster and he has provided great depth. For that reason alone he should be re-signed.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 3, 2012 9:23 AM MST up reply actions

Thomas has been decent. Hardly can even be considered good really.

This year he was the 2nd best healthy DT on a bad team. I’m not certain he’s even that. McBean has a fair arguement fior that spot. When we missed on all the DTs in the draft we re-signed Thomas to a 1 year/1 million dollar contract. Then when Vickerson went down we got Bunkley and Warren, hoping one would step up. Warren is still a question mark, but Bunkley is a keeper. I really hope we only re-sign one of McBean or Thomas (I think Thomas will price himself out of a job) and then get one or two up and comers in the draft. The starters would probably be Vickerson and Bunkley IMO.

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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM MST up reply actions

Not bad team. Bad DL.

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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM MST up reply actions

We traded for Bunk and signed Warren in camp, long before Vick went down in week 5

Re-signing Thomas last season ended up saving our bacon down the stretch. Like last season, Thomas is a great insurance policy. He tested the market last season and I doubt re-signing him will break the bank. We really could have been in bad shape had we let him walk last season.

DTs can take forever to groom for the NFL. If we do in fact draft two, only one of them is going to have a reasonable shot at making an imediate impact. That makes signing two of our own FAs a high priority. Our best bet is to sign Bunk and Thomas. McBean is decent, but he still has a habit of making silly mistakes and brain dead penalties.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

Solid assessment. I agree he was great to have as insurance and I'd love to keep him as insurance.

I agree the inconsistency of coordinators and schemes has hampered his development. I think he can still develop into a nice option for us.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 3, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions

yes CH74... you are correct about that

Warren and Bunkley were signed before Big Vick went down, but Marcus Thomas was hurt coming into the offseason. I think we got Thomas back at around…. what…. week 5 or 6???

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM MST up reply actions

Looking at the stats, it looks like it was game 5 when he returned (San Deigo)

If I remember correctly, he was injured in camp on the same day that Warren was injured and Broncos country was all in a panic. Kaptain Kirk would probably remember for sure, but that sounds about right. Putting his stats in that light, 2011 is a little more impressive than I first thought because he missed those 4 games.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions

I'll take Thomas over McBean any day of the week. As far as Vickerson goes..

He could have been something had he kept the weight on. As he stands now I’d take Thomas over him any day as well.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 3, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions

I sometimes think

McBean is better than Thomas. At least from purely a pass rush standpoint.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions

The stats bear that out

But you also have to look at the situations they were used. Bunkley and or Tomas were roatated out quite a bit in obvious passing situations.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions

true enough

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions

He was last year but overall I think he is worse as a DT.

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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 3, 2012 1:50 PM MST up reply actions

If Vickerson heals completely

And puts on about 15 solid pounds, he could be great at the UT. Penetrating was always his game and he was kind of out of place in the 3-4

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions

Yes he could.

Even 5-10 pounds would do wonders. I don’t know why he lost so much.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions

I went into that a little below

I think cardiovasular fitness and playing at a Mile High was a factor.

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions

OK

He still weighs what Fletcher Cox does.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt

by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions

Ayers Vickerson Bunkley Doom

Is a solid starting DL.

Believe you can and you're halfway there.
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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions

With Thomas as depth

Would be nice, if it doesn’t break the bank.

- Nick

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- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Feb 4, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions

That the thing ncm42

does Thomas want to be back? Will he sign our offer before FA? Do we want the 2nd part of Ty Warren’s contract? We already paid him 4 mil to ride the bench last year. Why would we not expect him to start this year? Vickerson is coming back too and he just signed a new deal last year with a signing bonus. Everyone wants us to re-sign Bunkley and Thomas but if we do we won’t draft a DT I don’t think.

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by Digger24 on Feb 4, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions

I see where you're coming from.

But as between Ty Warren and Marcus Thomas, my vote is to keep Thomas. Ty Warren is old and injuries are starting to catch up. Let’s keep building for the future. And regardless of which one (if either) we keep, we still need to go DT in the draft at some point. Let’s face it, our D was still pretty bad this year. It was just better than it’s been (which isn’t saying much)….

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by ncm42 on Feb 5, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions

What I feel will happen is Warren

will re-structure his contract in order to stay in Denver this year. I mean we paid him 4 mil to sit on his ass last year. We owe him 4 mil more if he makes the roster this year. If he doesn’t re-do it, we will cut him I’m sure and be out the 4 mil. However, I doubt this will happen. I think when he went on IR and we kept him around it was probably under the assumption that a new contract would be drawn up for this year.

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by Digger24 on Feb 5, 2012 12:12 PM MST up reply actions

I hope you're right Dig

he could be our modern version of Neil Smith. That vet presence on the D-Line that is so invaluable to a young team like ours.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 5, 2012 4:04 PM MST up reply actions

Only with Neil Smith

He came to a team that was oh so close to Super Bowl contention. The playoffs showed we are still a ways off from that.

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by ncm42 on Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM MST up reply actions

agreed ncm42

Our D was dominant during most of that win streak, but even a couple games during it (Miami – Minnesota) we got exposed. The rest of the games, our D was either pretty bad or a turnstile. We are so used to having a bottom feeder D… perhaps we overestimated our boys just because we we’re below average this year.

We must stuff the run better… get off the field on 3rd down… and generate some friggin’ turnovers for Pete’s sake.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 5, 2012 4:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

!

“We are so used to having a bottom feeder D… perhaps we overestimated our boys just because we we’re below average this year.” says it all.

I am very happy with the improvement, but the D still gave up career days to rookie QBs and 3rd string RBs too much for my tastes.

This is an exciting time because, while the team has improved markedly, there is still A LOT of room to grow!

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by ncm42 on Feb 6, 2012 8:30 PM MST up reply actions

solid....decent

but not dominant…. not yet at least. I think the goal of any defensive minded head coach is to have dominant trench players. It’s no lie when they say… “it all starts up front.” And that’s both sides of the ball.

We are another pass rusher and a DT away from a seriously dominant D-Line. Now, I know the NFL isn’t like Madden, and you can’t have all chiefs and no indians. However, if you were to build one section of a defense with all studs… it would be wise to build the line that way.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 4, 2012 8:39 PM MST up reply actions

Right

I think Cox is at an ideal weight for a rookie prospect. He can get bigger and not sacrifice much in the way of quickness.

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by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions

I think the biggest deciding factor

was the lack of an offseason. Big Vick new they needed a UT for the new 4-3, and he wanted to come in impressing. He lost all that weight to show the FO he didn’t sit on his keister during the lockout. He wanted to come in athletic, light on his feet, and turn some heads. Big Vick sure did appreciate his new contract.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 4:25 PM MST up reply actions

I think thats spot on, Pale

He lost that weight awfully quick too, which tells me he probably had it to lose.

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by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 4:46 PM MST up reply actions

oh yeah

a HUGE emphasis was put this season… since we switched from Josh McDaniels’ slower / stronger defense… on improving defensive (team wide) speed. The staff did tell players to come in lighter / quicker than usual… due to no team practice time.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 4, 2012 8:42 PM MST up reply actions

That is why when I found out prior to the season that he dropped to 285 I was pissed.

I was looking for good things from Big Vick but he really screwed the pooch by losing so much weight.

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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 3, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions

With teams concentrating on Dumervil and Miller he should be more productive

Thomas is more of a backup than a starter

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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions

By this logic

We should probably keep McBean as well. He had more Sacks and TFLs than either Bunkley or Thomas. The DT position is not all about pass rushing and it’s a shame that more people don’t realize that.

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by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions

Dude... do you seriously think all DT's do the same thing?

In our system (check it out for yourself on the depth chart), Bunkley is a 4-3 NT… a space eater. Brodrick’s job is to hold up O-Lineman so everyone else can do their jobs. He does this well and with ease. He is also a great run stuffing / lane clogging DT… or Nose Tackle in our case.

Preferably (and I believe Fox or Del Rio would BOTH tell you this), the other DT (or the Under Tackle) should be a more athletic guy who CAN get after the passer. That’s not to say he shouldn’t stuff the run as well, every player “should.” The ideal player should and would be able to handle his own in the run dept. too, but an emphasis would be put on getting in the backfield (which I hope we can both agree accomplishes more than just rushing the passer – TFL?? Anyone?)

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM MST up reply actions

Read this for yourself, but keep in mind, I'm going by my eyes as well

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/05/2011-pff-all-pro-team/

here is Bunkley’s bio on the FIRST TEAM All-Pro list:

This selection just felt right for everyone and provided a moment of harmony for all analysts. Atkins, the most productive pass rushing defensive tackle, is partnered by Bunkley, the DT who has the highest percentage of stops in the run game relative to the amount of snaps he played. He may not have a huge rep but what Bunkley did to Nick Mangold may go down as one of the best individual displays of the season. Branch had the kind of year no one saw coming as he was a continual nuissant for the Seahawks, even outplaying Brandon Mebane. That meant the last spot came down to Seymour and Kevin Williams, and we managed to look past the penalties of Seymour to recognize the huge impact he made on the field.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions

McBean is a nice back up too and so is Vickerson

That doesn’t change the fact we could use an interior defensive lineman with some pass rushing skills to free up Dumervil and Miller.

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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 2, 2012 4:09 PM MST up reply actions

Amen

what I’m saying is none of our DT’s, other than Bunkley, are guys we should overpay for. That’s not saying McBean or Thomas will want to be paid… but I’m saying if they should, we could go in another direction and not miss a beat.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 4:17 PM MST up reply actions

I agree, don't overpay for any of them with exception of Bunk, if it comes to that

I think the addition of Jack of the River will help to keep our FA costs down on the defensive side of the ball. I am excited for 2012.

I also agree that we need to add some talent there through the draft. Blance out the experience we have with some dynamic youth.

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by CH74 on Feb 2, 2012 4:25 PM MST up reply actions

Jack "of the River"

LOL!!!!

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 4, 2012 8:43 PM MST up reply actions

I think Marcus Thomas is a keeper.

Many DT develop slowly and Thomas seems like he is getting better each and every year. You can never have enough talent at DT though!

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 2, 2012 7:35 PM MST up reply actions

agree

it just depends on what he feels like he’s worth. Some team might be willing to pay a guy that young and athletic. The point of this post had nothing to do with Marcus Thomas though… sorry we all got so far off track.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 8:16 PM MST up reply actions

I agree with comment above about

it being nice to hear about players other than the same regurgitated ones. I also agree that disdain for Marcus Thomas being unwarranted. He, in my not so humble opinion, would at the very least be a nice rotational DT. Again, thanks for the post.

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by hcubed on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM MST reply actions

agreed

rotational DT for sure…. but NFL starter? I don’t see anything from his body of work that screams starter to me.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions

Guys... I don't hate Marcus Thomas

but I promise you the wheels aren’t going to fall off without him. How could they? Are people that delusional to think that Thomas is a difference maker? He’s an athletic body… nothing more at this point. It’s kind of like all the fanlove for Lance Ball or Kyle Orton. I just don’t see what they did… other than wear a Broncos uni… to get all that respect and love.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM MST reply actions

If Curry is available when we're on the clock in the second round

It would be a miracle and we should pull the trigger. The guy I like the most on your list (sans Curry) is Derek Wolfe; I’d love to see him in a Bronco uniform.

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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 2, 2012 2:51 PM MST reply actions

no complaints here

We have a need for a guy like him, and badly since no DT on our team can get in the backfield with any consistency. Ty Warren would had he stayed healthy… I’ve seen him do it too many times to count him out. I even think we’ll keep him next year if he can get healthy. He’s had plenty of time.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 4:04 PM MST up reply actions

Thanks for the great inside info on these players. Winston Guy, Jr. is the most intriguing to me. A SS that can tackle sounds pretty good. What round do you see him going in? Also Danny Trevathan sounds like he could be a real steal. Guys that show good fundamentals in tackling are who I want to see at LB for us. Vinny Curry is by far my favorite player mentioned. I would be ecstatic if the Broncos draft him and I won’t be surprised if his draft stock increases to a late 1st grade by the time all is said and done.

Also to weigh in on Marcus Thomas. I think he has shown the ability to be a good and descent DT for us. He is improving and provides good depth, but an upgrade can be made for him and any of the DT’s we have on the roster. Personally I would like to see Thomas, Bunkley, and McBean return and draft a Monster at the position. Warren is not a sure thing coming back. He hasn’t really played in the previous 2 years. Vickerson could be a factor coming back and should be mentioned as a potential pass rushing DT.

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by AvalancheRescueDog on Feb 2, 2012 4:13 PM MST reply actions

I like them all Pale, but if I had to choose one then it would be Vinnie Curry in the 2nd and Derek Wolfe with the first 5th...

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by bfree2bronc on Feb 2, 2012 5:01 PM MST reply actions

If he lasts that long

yes… that would be ideal. I’d actually take Trevathan as a SS or MLB. I believe he has the raw talent to be that.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 8:07 PM MST up reply actions

I would love to get Curry and Wolfe.

But like most have mentioned, Curry is likely gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. Both I’ve seen mocks on here that have us trading back and picking an extra 2nd so there’s a chance lol. Wolfe seems like a beast, he did very well against lesser competition(Big East), rather have Wolfe than Poe.
Poe didn’t do much vs worse competiton and I just don’t see him being productive in the Mile High at 350, but gain just my opinion.

I also think Pead played himself into 2-3 rd round after the Senior Bowl.

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by Automatik41 on Feb 2, 2012 9:21 PM MST reply actions

*But should be the 1st word in the 2nd sentence.

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by Automatik41 on Feb 2, 2012 9:24 PM MST up reply actions

The Big East is lesser competition?

No way man!!! Just kidding, it’s why my Mountaineers are moving to the Big 12.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM MST up reply actions

LOL, Big East football is not the best, but basketball is a whole other story.

Love watching the Mountaineers play during the Madness.

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by Automatik41 on Feb 3, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions

dude

anyone should love watching us in football too. We’ll be playing with the big boys in the Big 12 now… Holgerson’s old stomping grounds when he was the OC for Oklahoma St. His offenses are so dominant and so much fun to watch. Look no further than us scoring the most points in BCS Bowl history with 70. Clemson didn’t see that one coming…. neither did the world.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 4:28 PM MST up reply actions

At Halftime I was like holy hell man! Usually I just stop watching games that are blowouts unless the Broncos are playing

But after watching Baylor come back and beat Washington in the Alamo Bowl, I satyed and watched. Impressive stuff, Geno was on fire like 6 TDs or something.

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by Automatik41 on Feb 4, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions

Yessir!!!

Geno is a beast!

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 4, 2012 4:10 PM MST up reply actions

Tipping the scales at 350 as a DT is a recipe for disaster playing at a Mile High

I have visions of Gilbert Brown at the end of SBXXXII when I see guys that big. That might be part of the reasoning behind Vick slimming down and why our biggest DT is 316. I’d like to see us target an athletic guy right around 300 lbs.. I like Fletcher Cox, but he may be a reach where we pick. IMO, a deep athletic rotation would serve the Broncos better than picking up a huge mauler.

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by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions

Yeah agreed, having like a Giants or Lions type of D-line have a bunch of guys(that are productive) you can rotate in and out.

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by Automatik41 on Feb 3, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions

sounds awesome

Fox and Del Rio put a huge emphasis on pass rush. They are trying to build a comparable 4-3 to those teams.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions

Indeed

BTW, Love your sig, Auto. No one fools Champ Bailey!

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by CH74 on Feb 3, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions

Yeah thanks man.

And yours ain’t too shabby either, can always count on Sharpe to give us great quotes. lol

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by Automatik41 on Feb 4, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions

His "Call the President" rant

And when he got knocked out in the AFC Championship game, priceless!

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by CH74 on Feb 4, 2012 5:16 PM MST up reply actions

oh yeah

priceless commentary while a player. As an analyst…. not so much. Why do they all turn into douches when they join the networks? Stink can bite me man. I loved that dude like a brother when he was a Bronco.

But since he turned into an analyst (with a big emphasis on “anal”), he’s turned into one of the schmuckiest people on the planet. A fine line separates him from Chris Carter and Merril Hoge.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 4, 2012 8:46 PM MST up reply actions

Elway had it right when he called Stink an idiot in SBXXXIII

At least Steve Beuerlein still has some Bronco love! From what I hear, Alfred Williams can be pretty bad as well but I don’t get “The Drive” down this way. I think TD got ran off at NFL Network

I am a firm believer that Phil Sims and Jim Nanz put the whammy on our Broncos down the stretch. I think Elway should ban them from doing any more games!

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by CH74 on Feb 4, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions

Refreshing!

Thanks. :) I really like Isaiah Pead. I’ve heard of Curry, Wolfe, and Guy, but the rest are definitely not on my radar. That OLB seems quite beastly – doesn’t look like he’s 245, but that’s cool. :)

by H-bizzle on Feb 3, 2012 6:58 AM MST reply actions

Curry, Miller, Wolfe

Would be the top three on my radar from this list, in that order. But any one or any combination of any of these guys doesn’t seem like a bad pick or three! ;-J

Thanks for the local digs Pale!

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Feb 3, 2012 5:10 PM MST reply actions

you're totally welcome Pearl Jam fan!

I sure wish they were still at the level of Ten, Vs., or Vitology. Yield wasn’t bad, but IMO it kept getting worse from there. Their self titled album a few years back (the blue one with an avocado on the cover) wasn’t too awful bad.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 3, 2012 6:23 PM MST up reply actions

Yeah their whole battle with Ticketmaster

really doused their popularity, that’s for sure. Yield is very underrated. Binaural, Riot Act, Pearl Jam (self titled album) and Backspacer all have at least a couple very good tunes on each. It strikes me as very strange that songs from those last five albums don’t get any radio play, especially considering what does get played nowadays.

Trust me on this one Pale, when they play a live show, they are still at the level you speak of. They always sprinkle in a few fan faves from the old albums, and are by far, the most talented band that still tours. They not only have great live shows, but they can actually play extremely well (I’ve seen too many bands that are better suited putting out only studio music because playing live just ain’t their thing).

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Feb 4, 2012 7:00 AM MST up reply actions

If on the board for our 2nd,

I would go with Vinny Curry in heartbeat. Entertaining post, by the way. Honestly though, I haven’t seen Bruce Irvin play too much.

by swg777 on Feb 3, 2012 7:41 PM MST reply actions

Great post Pale

I like the prospects you brought here. I just don’t know for example:

Can Curry/Irvin be an upgrade over Ayers? Or he’ll be a rotational over Hunter?
Do we need another SS on the draft? We have youth there and upside…
Shouldn’t we scout several other CBs and RBs?

I don’t know the answers, just wondering.

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by Fabio Broncos on Feb 4, 2012 7:47 AM MST reply actions

Oh no man... I agree

I was just showing some players from my area who could be an asset. I wish there were more CB’s/MLB’s/RB’s from my area to tell you about, but they’re just not there. If Tavon Austin was declaring, he’s be in this conversation, but alas, he’s not.

Curry might just be an upgrade over Ayers… both of them really… but Ayers is a lot stouter than those boys against the run (just stouter period). Irvin and Curry can get after the QB with much more ease than Ayers though, so who knows? I’d say both players would be rotational over Hunter/Harvey.

I don’t have the answer about the SS position. I can tell you this though… I’d sure hate to pass on a real player there if Carter ends up being a depth only guy. Carter hasn’t shown us enough to say he has the position on lock for a decade. I’m not hoping against him though. I mainly showed the Kentucky players because I know a good deal about them, and I do feel they’d upgrade the position over Bruton / Carter. They both have a physical style of play and hit power that Carter doesn’t quite possess.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 4, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions

Sure Pale, I got your point

You brought nice stuff and a good list for us to take a look. Just wondering the future of our beloved Denver Broncos and sharing some questions marks I have in my mind.

If I had to answer my own questions now, I’d go the same as you.

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by Fabio Broncos on Feb 4, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions

In sticking with our DT mantra

I’m starting to like what I am hearing about Wolfe’s Senior Bowl week. I’ve seen him rated as high as a third round prospect. I think he could be a solid UT and he has room to grow at the next level. My biggest concern is he has been pegged as best suited for a 5 Tech. I haven’t seen any tape on him yet, so I was wondering what your thoughts were?

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by CH74 on Feb 4, 2012 12:47 PM MST reply actions

In our scheme, he'd be fine

he’d be playing to his strengths, if just as a rotational, 3rd and long kind of player. He reminds of of that old DT for the Vikes and Buccs… goodness… what was his name? Oh yeah!!! Chris Hovan!!! Remember him fellas? Someone like him or Wolfe would be a perfect missing piece to this defense. We have no one (McBean?) who can consistently collapse the pocket, rush the passer, and force QB’s to stop stepping up into the pocket and moving the chains.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 4, 2012 4:15 PM MST up reply actions