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Denver can’t, they wouldn’t, they won’t….or should they!

The Senior Bowl is over and the Combine is just a few weeks away. Players are beginning to move up and down draft boards. Front Offices are looking at Free Agents- who they can keep and can’t, players on other teams, and a ton of “mocks” are coming out almost daily! The great thing is most “Mocks” have Denver taking defensive lineman which we all know is a big need. Denver Post first reported that Denver was high on Melvin Ingram out of South Carolina. Then today his name appears with Denver on ProFootballtalk.com, NFL.com, CBSSports.com, and ESPN Radio. I’m not sure if this is media hype or Denver really is going to make the move to get him, but either way the past does predict this. John Fox if he knows anything he knows DE, he has drafted Julius Peppers, Chares Johnson, and turned Mike Rucker into a Pro Bowler. The first draft John Fox and Jack Del Rio shared they took a freakish athlete in Peppers, last year John Fox took another very gifted pass rusher in Von Miller, and now it’s being reported that Denver is looking at Melvin Ingram who is a special athlete. He is very quick for his size, and beats offensive linemen with a combination of speed and physicality. Problem is he won’t be there at 25, right? So how does Denver get him? Well I have an idea, most won’t like it, but it’s the best I can come up with.



Star-divide

As I see it Denver has a good young group of Linebackers in Von Miller, Woodyard, Nate Irving, Mike Mohamed, and DJ Williams. Now Woodyard is a Free Agent I think Denver will resign. I also like the idea of Denver signing Dan Connor too. Which will allow DJ Williams to become trade bait for a Linebacker thin team and what fish do I think takes the bait, plus helps Denver get Melvin Ingram……The Philadelphia Eagles! Philly needs Linebackers and we need to move up if we are going to get Ingram. Do I like the idea, not really, but nobody asked me either. So I think the trade would go DJ Williams and our 1st (25) for Philly’s 1st (15) and a 4th (99).

So here is my post Senior Bowl, Pre-Combine Mock.

Round 1:

Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 276.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.

Melvin Ingram has excellent size and is strong at the point of attack, plus can move inside and rush from the defensive tackle position.

Round 2:

Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Height: 6-6. Weight: 248.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.

Coby Fleener is another well-rounded tight end who can run block as well and is a quality receiver. Fleener is a tight end who can get down the middle of the field and help remove the Safeties and Linebackers who draw up to defend Tim Tebow and the Broncos' ground game. Also this would give Denver the ability to run a true double tight set with Fleener and Thomas.

Round 3:

Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Height: 5-9. Weight: 219.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.

Martin is a well-rounded back who has three down potential in the NFL. He could be a good option as part of the running back rotation, plus is a sudden runner with good quickness and cutting ability.

Round 4(From Philly):

Trumaine Johnson, FS/CB, Montana
Height: 6-2. Weight: 197.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.

Trumaine Johnson has an excellent combination of size and speed, but his interceptions declined this year. The combine will be very important for him.

Round 4:

B.J. Coleman, QB, UT-Chattanooga
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.89.

Tebow is the starter and I can’t see it any other way but with the extra pick here why not take a QB to back him up. B.J. Coleman showed immense upside at the East-West Shrine Game. In a quarterback starved league, you can't ignore a kid with Coleman's skill set. He's a strong kid with a great arm and flashes the ability to balance himself into throws and accurately deliver the football on all levels of the field.

Round 5(from StL):

A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois

Height: 6-1. Weight: 198.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.

Talk about ironic, trade away a WR, draft a WR. I feel like there's a lot of low risk, high reward with Jenkins. He has above average speed, has solid hands, is a good route runner, but he was completely underutilized at Illinois. Might be Eddie Royal’s replacement.

Round 5:

Blake Gideon, FS, Texas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.

He has consistently been around the ball for the Longhorns. Gideon was one of the few Texas players who battled well against Baylor and its lethal passing combination of Robert Griffin III and Kendall Wright.

I’m going to end it here, because I think we lose the 6th for Mays and our 7th for Brady Quinn, but I might be wrong. Either way anything after these guys would be gravy on top of the meat and potatoes!

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Some good players but I don't think a lot of them will be there when we draft.

I think Doug Martin will go in rd 2 and Trumaine Johnson could go that high as well.

If we do take a QB I like Coleman later.

I also don’t think the Eagles would make that trade personally.

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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM MST reply actions  

they would trade for DJ... but they wouldn't give up that much

I could see our 1st, DJ Williams, and our 4th for their 1st and a 5th maybe. We have to remember…. since there is a rookie salary cap in place now, draft picks will go for ALOT more than they have in the past.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe it should be DJ, 1st and 3rd for their 1st and 4th

but I was looking for the Eagles to over pay again this year like last year. They are very weak at LB, high schools have better talent there, so DJ might be worth extra to them

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 2, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn’t say anything about a contract being to big? Who said his contract is a problem?

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 2, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't like this much at all outside of Martin

Who will likely go late 2nd or early 3rd. We already have one young, great DE and one young, great run-stopping DE and two good rotational guys. Drafting another DE will not make this team much better, if at all. Same can be said for Fleener, he’s another average TE who would likely get lost in the TC battle with the other two TE’s we just drafted. If he were head and shoulders better than Thomas and Green, sure, but Fleener is around their level. I like the Johnson pick if we didn’t pick a DB earlier. Coleman is an iffy pick, but at that point in the draft QB’s are just up to the preference of the person so no fault there. Jenkins and Gideon are regular late round picks.

The biggest issue I have is that we trade away a solid OLB in DJ Williams and then we don’t do anything to replace him. Conner really isn’t at DJ’s level, and Mohamed is likely to stay on the practice squad.

At this point in the off-season mocks are largely based on personal opinion of what people feel the teams needs are, so I really can’t fault you, just personally I don’t like it.

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by Topher Doll on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks, I guess

As far as Martin- I think he will fall futher than most expect. The way I see the RB drops Richardson and Miller in the first, Chris Polk at 224 4.45-will go early 2nd rd, Wilson will fall to late 2, Pierce will also be a late 2nd early 3, James will surprise, then Martin late 3.

Why draft Ingram you ask: Because that would make Ayers a DT next year. We might lose both Bunk and Thomas in FA making us very thin up front.

Williams is in his 8th year and Woodyard is a very solid talent. I don’t think we would see a decrease in play from Williams to Woody.

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Polk really didn’t do well at the Senior Bowl and “word on the street” is a lot of teams have given him a mid round grade. He is going to need a very impressive combine and pro day workout to go as high as your thinking. But this could be pure speculation at this point.

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by AvalancheRescueDog on Feb 2, 2012 11:53 PM MST up reply actions  

because he is way over rated

"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson

by SteveUK on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Most scouting reports

Have Martin being listed higher and higher since Polk has really struggled to impress. As for Ayers as a full time DT, I’m not a huge fan of it since it’s not his natural position and he’d be a light DT and as we saw last season, he would get swallowed up by bigger offensive guards and centers. He really is perfectly built to seal and edge rather than plug the middle.

But like I said, mocks play to the writers thoughts on the team, so in the situation you see where we lose Bunk and Thomas, I can understand why you might be forced to move Ayers in, and if that were the situation I can understand where you are coming from.

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by Topher Doll on Feb 3, 2012 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

The Broncos also have a D End on the practice squad

Everyone forgets about Jeremy Beal who essentially red shirted this year .Jeremy Beal is a good player and works very hard and I have not given up on him yet . Beal was a walk on at Oklahoma and and to earn a scholarship . He then went on to one of the best players on defense . If EFX did not think Beal wasn’t any good they would not have signed him to a futures contract and would have just let him walk and signed someone else . I’m not saying Beal will make the pro bowl or anything but I do expect to see a lot of improvement in him in the preseason and I expect him to at least make the practice squad again next season if not the fifty three man roster .

by ultraclassic04 on Feb 2, 2012 2:23 PM MST reply actions  

Pass Rush is a Must!

We must be able to get after the QB. Teaming Von Miller, Doom, and Ingram-Who are you going to double. If our front 4 on passing downs is:

Miller, Ayers, Ingram,Doom—-Who do you double? We have to get sacks from someone other than VonDoom! This way we do!

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM MST reply actions  

It won't matter because the other team will just hit the quick route to the TE or the slot and gain 8-15 yards against

our LBs who can’t cover and our CBs (outside of champ) who are too small to jam WRs at the LOS.

Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.

by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 3, 2012 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed!

In today’s NFL, LB need to be able to stop the run AND go into coverage as well. Any LB drafted needs to have shown run stopping AND pass coverage ability and production.

by nh_bronco on Feb 4, 2012 7:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't agree with most of your post.

I really like Melvin Ingram. I think he’ll go in the Top 10. But there’s no way you can move Ayers inside to be UT. He’d be eaten alive.

If we were to draft Ingram it would be for him to replace Robert Ayers and Jason Hunter (or enhance the rotation). Although I believe Ingram would be an upgrade over either (at least from a pass rush perspective), I don’t know that he’d be an upgrade over Ayers against the run. So we might find ourselves in the same position we were with Von Miller at the end of last year, when he was taken off the field during non-obvious passing downs.

I know that many draftniks marvel at how South Carolina moved Ingram all over the place last season. I don’t believe teams will be able to do that in the NFL. It’s one thing to move inside when you’re going against SEC guards. It’s something else when you’re going against Chris Kuper.

As for the rest, I don’t want to draft a TE at all – in any round. I like Doug Martin and B.J. Coleman. I don’t know anything about the other guys, but I believe we need secondary help.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

You make a few good key points

Ayers struggled at DT this year in his limited time there and Ingram would struggle moving around a lot. Because of his skill set he’s actually a better suited for OLB to me and CBS Sports Draft guys have him ranked as a OLB as well. While he could be one of those hybrid guys, similar to Doom, but because this is the NFL and not college, there’s no way he could go inside. I also agree about drafting a TE, even if I’m not a huge fan of Thomas, but we have a lot of youth there, let them battle in 2012 and if they still struggle then draft another in 2013 or go to FA.

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by Topher Doll on Feb 3, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Ingram might be able to compete at 4-3 open end, but we already have Doom.

I agree; the best spot for him is in a 3-4.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 3, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I like your optimism

But those first four players will probably be gone before the 3rd round starts. We’re definitely going to have to move up if we want Melvin Ingram; the question is do we have enough ammo with so many holes to fill?

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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM MST reply actions  

Ingram looks pretty good but...

(scout) I can’t see why Connors is a better deal then DJ. Connors had an amazing year in 2007 but hasn’t done much since. Last year was an improvement but was he just playing for a check?

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by metalman5050 on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM MST reply actions  

I like Woodyard, but think the gap in talent between him and DJ is more so than many think. I would prefer we keep DJ, stay at 25 or trade back into the early 2nd and gain more picks. With one of those picks we could select DE Vinny Curry who has been productive as a pass rusher in his last two seasons with Marshall. I don’t think EFX will make a move like that for Ingram. I think they feel he could be a top tier talent that could fall to them.

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by AvalancheRescueDog on Feb 2, 2012 11:49 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

The pass rush needs to improve

Where this comes from is the interesting issue. Do the Broncos draft a DT to get more interior pressure (the most likely option IMO), do they look for an upgrade over Ayers (Coples the only true 1st round quality 4-3 DE IMO) or do they get a situational pass rushing defensive end (this would be a waste in the 1st round).

I think you have under rated MArtin. I personally think only Richardson and Miller are better RBs in this draft.

If Williams does get traded that is fine with me but would like to see a young player drafted then to back up Woodyard

"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson

by SteveUK on Feb 3, 2012 1:03 AM MST reply actions  

Thought provoking stuff.

I’m leaning to your side about Coples being the only true 4-3 DE in the first round. But what about Cam Johnson from Virginia? He might be a tad light for the closed end. But I’ve read some reports speculating he played himself into the first round. The trouble is – if we go defense in the first – I just don’t want to spend a first round draft pick on someone who’s not a three-down player. And I don’t know how good Johnson is against the run.

I’m still thinking about the possibility of other 4-3 DEs going in the first. There might be some others who could play on the open end. Could Vinny Curry play the open end? Has he moved himself into the first?

That might be the true value of Coples: With this size, he could play open or closed. But do you know how he does against the run?

Derek Wolfe, someone I’ve cooled on, could also be a serviceable closed-end DE. But not in the first round.

Regarding Martin, I didn’t even notice that MHP had him picked in the third. That’s way too low. Again, I’m hearing late 1st, early second now.

Finally, I’ve talked up Lamar Miller ad nauseum. And I’m coming to grips with the idea that he won’t be there at 25 (I’ve run some permutations at Draftek). So, I’ve started thinking about other options…I’m intrigued by Zach Brown. Of course, the trouble with selecting Brown would be D.J. Williams. We all know D.J.‘s a liability in coverage. Reports out of Senior Bowl week claimed that’s Zach Brown’s specialty.

I just don’t know if finding a WLB who excels in coverage is a priority. Although Zach Brown will likely go in the first, I’m not sure that it makes sense for us to spend a first on an OLB. Seems to me that finding a UT who can create pressure is a higher priority.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 3, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

There

are a lot of guys who are intwined in the could be first round early second round every year. The combine and team needs determine the last ten spots in the first round. I think Crick will be a first before Curry will be.

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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Crick is a little over rated for me. Against dominant lines he struggles to generate a pass rush and has had a few injuries (one quite serious). That being said he is good against the run.
I think he fits as a DE in a team with a 3-4 grouping as he is not good enough a pass rusher for an under tackle or big enough for a nose in a 4-3 grouping.

"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson

by SteveUK on Feb 4, 2012 3:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I think there are a lot guys like Curry and Ingram who could be very good pass rushers in the NFL but they are a little on the light side and not great against the run which from a Broncos perspective would put them out of 1st round contention for me. As you say the Broncos need to get a 3 down player with that pick.

I dont know enough on Cam Johnson to comment but i can see a team reaching for a guy who fits the mould of a 4-3 because there are so few of them.

Zach Brown definitely interests me. He is a great athlete and very good in coverage, a real weakness among the Denver LB core he may go in the top 20 he may drop out of the 1st round altogether, you never know with LBs. As you say Williams and Woodyard are there but one is 30 and the other a FA so it could be a position to upgrade. People will also look at him as a Mike because of what Fox did with Beason, they are similar in size. My favourite Will is Lavonte David, undersized but a great instinctive player, who tackles well, blitzes well and covers but will not put the combine numbers up that Brown will and will be available later on.

"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson

by SteveUK on Feb 4, 2012 3:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I was rooting around in Carolina's past

and it was real interesting to find out Beason wasn’t always a MLB. If Dan Morgan didn’t go down with what was said to be a high ankle sprain but eventually turned out to be a partially torn Achilles tendon, Jon Beason may never have been moved to MLB.

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by Digger24 on Feb 4, 2012 7:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Ingram isn't even on the map in the top 20 at his position

in any of the draft sites and you have us taking him in the 1st round? I would hope we could do better than that.

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by KaptainKirk on Feb 3, 2012 7:59 AM MST reply actions  

Ingram is in the top 2o0 in all the ones I've seen KK.

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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Here are two links to draft sites that him going top 10

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/bucky-brooks/75000

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by Automatik41 on Feb 3, 2012 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Kap - Ingram is one of the top DEs in the draft, if not the top DE

Walter football is mocking him to the 10th pick (Buffalo) currently.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php
Another mock with him going to the Jets with 16th pick
http://thelandryhat.com/2012/01/27/2012-nfl-mock-draft-dallas-cowboys-select-a-defensive-end/2/
Brooks has him going to Cowboys with the 14th pick
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/bucky-brooks/65021

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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay

My apologies to you MHP. I haven’t updated my lists yet as I am still working the Free Agents. I will have updates pre and post combine and will definitely take a look at him. I DO wonder why he wasn’t in the top 25 DE’s last month though. Sadly that is as far as my list goes so I am unaware of where he was ranked at that time. Scouting evaluations shouldn’t change that much. I use CBS and Draft Countdown as a starting block, but there are others who I pay attention to like Mayock and Casserly for evaluations. I don’t trust Walter at all and believe he is about as accurate as Kiper and McShay. The one thing all three have in common are their egos. But like I said, I will investigate on my own and post my thoughts in the near future,

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by KaptainKirk on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Mayock has Ingram as the 2nd best DE in the Draft, just behind Coples.

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 3, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks

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by KaptainKirk on Feb 3, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Us taking Tannehill? Hardee Har Har!

That’s ridiculous.

By the way, have you seen some of the reports coming out this week’s All-Star Game (whatever it’s called) about Jordan Jefferson? Observers claim he’s making good throws and they’re intrigued by his athleticism.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 3, 2012 8:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting

I don’t know much about him. Sounds like he could be a good prospect. What round do they expect him to go in?

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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 PM MST up reply actions  

He's a great prospect.

But here’s the thing: He’ll be long gone before we pick at 25.

My prediction machine says the Redskins will draft him in the first round, likely after trading back to get him.

Incidentally, since the Dolphins hired Sherman as their offensive coordinators, the probabilities have changed, but still favor Tannehill going to the Redskins. But Miami has now moved from a 0% chance of landing Tannehill to an 8% chance.

My HHH (Hardee Har Har) was deriding McShay’s belief that we’ll draft a QB in the first round. Preposterous.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 7:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed about Tannehill going in the 1st

Even if he makes it past the Redskins and Dolphins I doubt he’ll make it past the Seachickens. I would hope we wouldn’t waste another 1st round pick on a QB but you never know.

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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 4, 2012 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

My bad...

I took your response out of context and thought you were asking about Tannehill, not Jefferson.

I don’t know much about Jefferson either. The only things I know about him I learned from the All-Star Classic tweets I mentioned above. Those tweets claim he’s surprised many observers and his performance may have made him draftable.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 7:50 AM MST up reply actions  

The problem might be where he's listed

A lot of sites list him as an OLB, CBS Sports and Dan Kadar at Mocking the Draft are two that do.

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by Topher Doll on Feb 3, 2012 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't understand the logic here

Melvin Ingram is 6-2 280 they list as a 3-4 OLB

Whitney Mercilus is 6-3 265 they list as a 4-3 DE

Anyone else wonder if they just throw darts and say “Yeah that looks good!”?

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 3, 2012 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Players can be categorized in many different ways and it's just a matter of scheme fit mmost of the time.

I think Ingram is a guy who could fit in either scheme and play well if not great. He has the physicality and body to do both…

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by bfree2bronc on Feb 3, 2012 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not about size

It’s about skill set, and he would line up well there. I’m not saying he can’t play DE I’m just saying some players just fit better at DE and others fit better at OLB.

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by Topher Doll on Feb 3, 2012 8:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Ingram will go top 10

Probably to the Bills since they’re switching to a 4-3 defense. We’d be extremely lucky to see him at #25.

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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 3, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Just shows speed

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

You seem to always have something to say don't you?!

Since I’m so wrong why don’t you take a crack at it. What would you do, Agent? What players would you take and when?

.

It's like the movie Angels in the Outfield.... but this time it's Broncos in the Endzone

by MileHighPride on Feb 3, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm sorry if I've been too critical.

I always enjoy your posts and hearing your ideas, even if I disagree with them. Unlike some people who post here, you take the time to think them out and your writing is pretty dang good.

I obviously gave you the impression that I think you’re an idiot and that’s not the case at all. For that, I apologize.

Regarding my comment that set you off – the one in which I responded to Orange Blood – I’ve thought the same thing Orange Blood did about estimated or projected 40 times. To me, they’re the height of silliness. My comment was an attempt at light-heartedness that must’ve missed the mark.

As for me saying what I’d like to see, I think I’ve expressed my ideas extensively around here. And I plan to do a mock draft – both a Broncos-specific mock and a first round mock. When I post that, feel free to bash my ideas if you feel the need for vengeance or something.

But anyway, I apologize that I gave you the wrong impression.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 3, 2012 7:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I've heard a lot of people say Ingram will be gone by this number or that number and that may be true, but it isn't the fact yet.

All teams have different needs and fill those needs with the BPA in the first for the most part. Questions have risen for different players who were selected before or after they were ranked, leaving many scratching their heads over the pick. For instance, many thought that the Jaguars had lost their minds picking DE/DT Tyson Alualu at #10 when he was ranked 75th by scout analysts across the board. Clearly Alualu wasn’t the BPA which is sensable drafting in the first rd, but it was a need the Jags felt they had. Has Alualu lived up to being a top 10 pick? Maybe, but his play is pretty darn good, and most feel it was a good choice.

Another is Jason Pierre-Paul who was taken by the Giants at #15 of the 2009 draft. Pierre-Paul if most will remember showed his athleticism at the Combines when he did 12-13 back flips in a row. Eyes were bulged to the brim and the Giants picked him. He had attended 2 juco’s and South Floorida never playing an entire year in college. Bad choice? He was one of the reasons the Giants are playing Sunday! Recording 16.5 sacks this season. Was it fortunate luck the Giants picked him so high? Maybe, maybe not. It does tell me that the team did it’s homework with him and came out smelling like a rose.

Now we are nearing closer to the 2012 draft with a lot of great talent who will be displaying thise talents at the Combines and Prodays. The defensive end class is a fairly good with a little of everything from near elite to very good (4-5 stars). One particular prospect in this class is Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois. Just looking at Mercilus’ 2011 stats one might say he belongs in the elite category and Top 10 pick of the draft. But when picking a prospect in the Top 10 you want to be sure he is 5 star material, and that’s where pointer moves on down the stat board. Mercilus is a red shirt junior who didn’t play his first year in 2008. This may say a lot and then say nothing, I’m not real familiar with Illinois’ DE talent around that time. When he did suit up in 2009-2010 he was a bench player and only started a couple of games with very little stats. So, that only gives most scout analysts one year to really evaluate mercilus’ talents. Now, I ask you this question? Do you take a chance on a player like this seeing he has only one year of production? Even though this player is from a good home with duel parents and a high school grade point average of over 3.0? Little things like not being a senior can be big issues with certain positions and one must ask why he didn’t want to play his senior year, but instead enter the NFL draft to help support his parents who are from Haiti? IMO #25 would be the perfect spot to take that chance when Coples, Upshaw and Ingram will most likely be gone.

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by bfree2bronc on Feb 3, 2012 4:49 PM MST reply actions  

You can help me pick

here

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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Really good stuff.

As for me, I wouldn’t describe myself as a believer in Mercilus. I think he takes angles that I’d characterize as “unathletic.” I’m not in love with his burst either. I’ll never confuse him with Doom or Von Miller.

But I still really like this comment.

You never know how teams value players. We had a snow day here in Denver, so I spent some time watching a show called the “Brady 6” while I was working. I really enjoyed the program – it did a wonderful job of outlining how inefficient the scouting complex is.

The show spent time discussing the thought processes that were behind all those GMs and coaching staffs who selected quarterbacks other than Brady. It was fascinating hearing no-less a quarterback guru than Bill Walsh describe they worried that someone was going to snatch up Giovanni Carmazzi. Then, there’s video of Steve Mariucci, who was the OC or QB coach at the time, saying it was pretty evident early on that Carmazzi couldn’t play a lick.

This process is an absolute blast because nobody knows anything.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 3, 2012 7:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Agent

did you just say Mercilus “takes unathletic angles”?

Just what in the world does that really mean?

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by Idaho Nate on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

as opposed to an athletic angle.

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by Digger24 on Feb 4, 2012 7:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I invented that phrase...

…for lack of a better description.

Let me see if I can describe it better. Some players have the athleticism to move gracefully through space. Their agility enables them to move from point A to point B with a minimum number of steps in a direct manner – and they don’t look like geeks when they do it. Von Miller exemplifies this.

Mercilus moves awkwardly at times, sometimes dancing around the play rather than getting in the middle of it. It’s like he knows where he needs to go, but his athleticism doesn’t allow him to overcome his momentum, so he doesn’t get where he needs to go in an expedient manner.

That’s about it, I guess. I hope that sums it up better.

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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 7:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Haha, funny description.

Good, but funny.

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by Digger24 on Feb 4, 2012 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I bet you could sell that line to Kiper Agent!

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by Idaho Nate on Feb 4, 2012 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Ingram will be gone by then

Pass rushers arent easy to find, and he’s a pass rusher, so i doubt he will be there. Not saying he won’t but i doubt it. I’d much rather go DT/RB/CB in the first depending who’s available. I really don’t believe philly would give that much up in the trade, but you never know, if we do pick at 15, Brockers SHOULD be there, if so get him over ingram.

Not a fan at all of the TE in the 2nd. Switch Doug Martin to the 2nd(and even that is starting to become a stretch) and we’ll be good.

Trumaine Johnson probably won’t be there in the 4th. He’s a 2-3rd rounder i believe.

Coleman intrigues me.

Not a bad mock, outside of the box. I just think a few players won’t be there, and not really a fan of the trade up to get Ingram

by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 PM MST reply actions  

Good attempt at the mock draft MHP

I don’t really agree with much of it, but it’s early yet and people minds will change 100 times between now and the draft. I appreciate any attempt at a mock as they are very hard.

But instead of just saying I disagree, I’ll tell you why I think so.

I would love Ingram, and agree that we need more overall depth and effective pass rushers along the line. I think the Giants have shown the blueprint on how to win on Defense. With that being said, I’m not sure I’d give up any players or draft picks to pick Ingram over guys like Thompson, Mercilus, Cox, Burfict, Worthy etc…. at our current spot.

I wouldn’t mind Fleenor and would love Martin even though I don’t think he’ll be there in the 3rd.

I don’t know too much about any of the other players, but if it were me I’d add some additional DT depth as well as OL depth. I don’t know if I see us drafting a project in a QB with Weber on the roster. I’m guessing we get either a veteran or somebody in 2 or 3. I would prefer to draft MLB, DL and OL early and often. I personally think we need to see another year out of our young secondary. I really like Harris, and Squid will be back this year.

Good job though, nice to learn about prospects.

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by Idaho Nate on Feb 3, 2012 10:53 PM MST reply actions  

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