What are your feelings on Carl Nicks

He would be a major upgrade

but i hate spending top money on OL, except for a LT. You can find good ones throughout the draft. Just my opinion though.

I would rather see us spend money on a DT/DE or CB

by Scotty Payne on Feb 21, 2012 10:13 PM MST reply actions

no rookies will be as good as Nicks though

maybe in a couple years one or two guards will develop to the level of Nicks but Nicks is the arguably the best guard in the NFL. No rookie will come close to matching that his first year.

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by AlbertaBronc on Feb 21, 2012 11:15 PM MST up reply actions

Oh i know

but i’d rather find quality talent in the mid rounds at OL instead of paying 50+ million for a guard.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 PM MST up reply actions

Yeah but drafting an o-lineman on day 3 only potentially upgrades our depth

with signing Nicks, we add an elite guard which instantly upgrades our starting line.

Drafting a day 3 guard and signing Nicks is attacking too different needs. I’m not against giving Beadles and Walton another year so I do agree I’d like to draft an o-lineman on day 3 but the chances of that guy being ready and able to replace Beadles/Walton as a starter and be an true upgrade is slim to none. Nicks would upgrade and replace them from day 1.

This being said, Nicks isn’t near the top of my priorities list but I would really love to have him.

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by AlbertaBronc on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 AM MST up reply actions

If Nicks is considered "elite" it's the old "bird in the hand" theory..given the price is reasonable.

The window for other Bronco elites (read that Champ Bailey and Dawkins) is likely to close for one or both BEFORE a drafted OL man pans out. Attitude is the other factor to consider in Free Agency as I understand a good number slide after hitting the big pay day.

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by BroncoCUbuffs on Feb 22, 2012 8:16 AM MST up reply actions

From what I understand the reason Nicks is hitting FA is because the Saints have to resign Brees

so I don’t think attitude is a factor here, at least I’ve never heard anything. It’s also possible that Brees made Nicks look a lot better than he is so who knows really.

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by AlbertaBronc on Feb 22, 2012 9:25 AM MST up reply actions

not only Brees

but Colston and Tracy Porter as well. I guess there could be some truth to Brees making Evans & Nicks look better… that could be said about any O-Lineman that works in front of an elite QB, but Nicks is also a straight up mauler in the run game… and we know Brees can’t hjelp him out there too much.

I think both those Saint Guards are the real deal…. both are massive, brute strong men who excel in pass pro and run blocking alike. The only other Guard combo in the league that’s comparable would be Mankins/Waters from New England.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions

Yeah, id love to sign him, it's just the money that scares me off

I mean, if we could sign a veteran Center to compete with Walton and draft a guard in rounds 4-7 and develop him, i’d be happy. If we dished out the cash to sign him, i wouldnt be upset either. Nicks is a beast and one of the best if not the best guards in the league. i’d just go a different route personally.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 22, 2012 8:27 AM MST up reply actions

I'm not against not spending money

as I’ve said many times, I hate signing big name FA’s to huge contracts but Nicks is one of the few that if we sign to a huge contract, I wouldn’t be against.

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by AlbertaBronc on Feb 22, 2012 9:28 AM MST up reply actions

with all this being said

I’d put money on the Broncos having the same starting o-line as last year. I think the EFX will give our young line at least another year to grow.

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by AlbertaBronc on Feb 22, 2012 9:30 AM MST up reply actions

I think so, but...

competition at LG/C could be added though. Beadles did well down the stretch, but Walton didn’t grade out well, so we could see a signing there i believe.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 22, 2012 9:36 AM MST up reply actions

agreed fellas

IMO (and probably EFX’s too), continuity is the most important aspect in building up the trenches. I think they will try to keep the same OL next season…. UNLESS one of the top tier interior lineman falls to us at 25 or the 2nd. If DeCastro, Reiff or someone of that nature is there at 25… it’s a no brainer.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions

if anything though...

we will bring in some talented depth (as opposed to the non-talented depth we had this year) to push the young starters here.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions

if DeCastro is there, id be all for it.

He’s a beast

by Scotty Payne on Feb 22, 2012 2:27 PM MST up reply actions

Yeah same here

I’d rather spend a huge contract on a DT/DE/CB/WR ahead of a guard though. But, can’t go wrong with nicks. He would be huge in our run game.

by Scotty Payne on Feb 22, 2012 9:30 AM MST up reply actions

Great player but I don't want to be the team giving him that huge salary.

I’d rather just make mostly risk averse signings and mainly see how much guys in the secondary are going to cost. Getting a veteran safety would be a top priority for me and also getting a CB to play across from Champ, but not another stop gap over the hill veteran. I’d look into Brandon Carr but I feel he might want a bit more than I’d be willing to give up but if we could get him on a fair deal than I’d be all for it.

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by Eddie.Teach on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 PM MST reply actions

Fox did say they were going to address the interior OLine in one of the pools. Big dollar signing? I doubt it.

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by bfree2bronc on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 PM MST reply actions

I've said I hate spending big bucks on free agents plenty of times

but Nicks is arguably the best guard in the NFL and it’s looking like the Saints won’t be able to keep him. He is one of few I’d be willing to shell out a ton of cash for.

This FA class is so good and makes it really hard to be the guy that frowns upon signing big name player to fat contracts. Oh well, I can get over it.

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by AlbertaBronc on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 PM MST reply actions

i agree on not spending big money on fa's

But any time you can get an elite player it’s worth it, just not usually mid level starters. I wouldn’t mind Nicks, M. Williams,Manning

by crushsg on Feb 22, 2012 3:20 PM MST up reply actions

I dont see us getting the top dollar guy in any position

look at the second tier players closely

by ShyandObese on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 PM MST reply actions

We have no elite player along our line. We need one to help elevate play of our young guys. I say go get him.

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by boydy2669 on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM MST reply actions

IDK Boydy

if Ryan Clady isn’t elite… then he’s just a baby hair away from it. I could go on and on about him, but a top 3 LT in football HAS to be considered somewhat elite.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions

See Pale, I don't rate him elite....he is very, very good but nor elite...but with Nicks next to him it would be SO great for him.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

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by boydy2669 on Feb 22, 2012 5:39 PM MST up reply actions

You don't need an elite OL to be successful

it would be nice, but i would rather draft OL then spending big bucks on one. I’d like to upgrade at Center though

by Scotty Payne on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions

That's a tough argument...

Clady did not look like Clady this year. It could also be argued that Kuper was our best lineman this past season.

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by DaLostBoy4 on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 PM MST reply actions

Damnit!

That was meant for PaleHorse78 up above!

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by DaLostBoy4 on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions

I know man

he was not himself this year, but he was still better than most.

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by PaleHorse78 on Feb 22, 2012 5:40 PM MST up reply actions

Love Nicks but not his price tag. He won't be a Bronco thats for sure (IMO)

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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM MST reply actions

I think Nicks would be a huge upgrade over Beadles. But if we are going to spend that type of money on a FA, we might as well make a move for Ray Rice. I would rather see us draft Konz or Cordy Glenn at #25 than pay that type of money for Nicks. However if EFX somehow bring in Nicks, I would be thrilled.

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by AvalancheRescueDog on Feb 22, 2012 10:30 PM MST reply actions

I would be a HUGE no on Ray Rice...Nicks we could have until mid 30's...Rice maybe for another 3 years.

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by boydy2669 on Feb 23, 2012 7:26 AM MST up reply actions

Not that I am campaigning for us to sign Rice (because there is no way we will get him), but he is only 25. He has at least 5 very good years ahead of him. And don’t you think that Fox knows that a elite playmaking RB is the bread and butter to his “punch them in the mouth” philosophy? But what I was trying to say was I would rather we spend the type of money Nicks wants on a play maker. Perhaps I should have used Carlos Rogers or Mario Williams as a better example.

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by AvalancheRescueDog on Feb 23, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions

Would rather spend big bucks on a corner or a safety or DL

OL isnt as big of a need for us

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by Calikula on Feb 23, 2012 10:45 AM MST reply actions

agreed

but I’m not sure there is a CB or Safety that’s the same caliber as Nicks. DL on the other hand… we could make a play at Super Mario. If I had to chose between the two, I’d go Mario Williams for sure.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

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"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Feb 23, 2012 8:38 PM MST up reply actions

True but

then we could address Safety and Corner instead of one superstar OL, which isnt something that immediately needs addressed. Or just sign one superstar in Mario Williams, instead of blowing it all on a position that doesnt really need addressed

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by Calikula on Feb 24, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions