The #25 Pick. What To Do?
Here's what I have so far.
Indy-Andrew Luck
Wash. from S.L.(for #s6,70&103)-Robert Griffith III
Minn.-Matt Kalil
Clev.-Justin Blackman
T.B.-Morris Claiborne
S.L. from Wash.-Riley Reiff
Jax-Quinton Coples
Cincy from Car.(#s 8&41 for #s 17,21& 85 )-Trent Richardson
Miami-Jonathan Martin
Buff.-Melvin Ingram
K.C.-Luke Kuechly
Sea.-Dre Kirkpatrick
Ariz.-Nick Perry
Dal.-David DeCastro
Phil.-Devon Still
N.Y.Jets-Courtney Upshaw
Car. from Cincy-Dontari Poe
Chic.-Michael Floyd
S.D.-Mark Barron
Tenn.-Michael Brockers
Car. from Cincy-Kendall Wright
Clev.-Mike Adams
Det.-Lamar Miller
Pitt.-Dont'a Hightower
Den.
Hou.
N.E.
G.B.
Balt.
S.F.
N.E.
N.Y.G.
Here are top twenty choices. Many will notice Vontaze Burfict is not on it.
Ryan Tannehill QB
David Wilson RB
Doug Martin RB
Peter Konz C
Cordy Glenn G
Brandon Washington G
Dwayne Allen TE
Coby Fleener TE
Mohamed Sanu WR
Fletcher Cox DT
Brandon Thompson DT
Jerel Worthy DT
Whitney Mercilus DE
Andre Branch DE
Jared Crick DE
Zach Brown LB
Lavonte David LB
Janoris Jenkins CB
Alphonzo Dennard CB
Stephon Gilmore CB
Chase Minnefield CB
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Man oh man, that's a hard one boys
I have to go Crick right here. I think his skill set fits perfectly what we’re trying to do at the UT position. I’m so on the fence about Burfict, it isn’t even funny. I hear we’re real high on the DE out of South Carolina. It seems so far that EFX is putting a premium emphasis on rebuilding our pass rush (adding to the talented Doom already here).
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That's the word PH
However you are referring to Melvin Ingram and I have him gone before us.
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Crick
Is gonna be a beast on the pro level.
by e_saites on Feb 3, 2012 11:22 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
That's the kind of injury players bounce back from
Very similar to what happened to Elvis, but the FO didn’t write him off, they paid the man
by e_saites on Feb 4, 2012 2:09 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
He is about the same as Worthy
who I have going to Pitt one pick ahead of us.
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My problem with Brandon Thompson
is that he was always getting subbed out. He has horrible stamina, even for a DT. The guy seemed ready to go on 33% of snaps. I don’t mind that in a 2nd rounder, but not a 1st.
That's a great observation.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 7:52 AM MST up reply actions
I was hoping Thompson would slide to the 3rd
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There are 4 other votes.
If you pick other, will you please put who your vote would be for in the comments?
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I still believe we need a CB
Playoffs!?!? Playoffs!?!? Don't talk about Playoffs!! Playoffs?!?!
by Mike Agnew on Feb 4, 2012 8:48 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I voted "Other" because someone put the Confundus Charm on me.
At this point, I’m undecided about what the Broncos should do if Lamar Miller isn’t there.
I’m inclined to go with an UT capable of pressuring the QB, but I don’t know who that’d be. That might be an interesting poll: Who’s the best UT available?
By the way, kudos to you on some of your picks. Although we disagree on a bunch of them (for example, no WR will go in the Top 10), I like that you mocked Lamar Miller to the Lions. That’s the first time I’ve seen Lamar Miller go to them and it makes sense. So kudos for originality.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 3, 2012 7:14 PM MST reply actions
unless Peyton ends up on the Skins
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
Nice post...
I would go with Janoris Jenkins or Vontaze Burflict, assuming they both pass our background test, which is iffy. If we pass on those guys, I might consider Fletcher Cox or trade down.
Thanks swg
Burfict is not smart enough to know the plays, let alone call them.
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I've watched tons of his games and
he is actually a very instinctive football player who loves the game. He might be dumb, I’m not sure, but I wouldn’t confuse that with competitiveness. One thing could be channeled into the right direction and the other would be good to avoid.
I selected other
Dont’a Hightower MLB – Currently unstable position. High value pick filling need. Second choice would be a CB. My choices are trying to guess what Fox would feel are Value positions for 1st pick. Fox seemed to put more value on LB, CB, and DE positions. Fox did not put much emphasis on getting a DT last year even though there seemed to be a need. Maybe that will change with Del Rio on-board. I doubt they go with Burflict due to character concerns.
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damn that was a hard choice
but I voted for Mercilus, but would not be dissapointed with Thompson, Burfict, Cox, and also Cordy Glenn who is not on your list.
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My vote is Jared Crick or Mercilus
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It's the name isn't it?
Mercy less.
I voted Crick.
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One of the best names ever for a defensive player...Mercilis!
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 4, 2012 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
I like Janoris Jenkins. That guy was a stud at the senior bowl.
Also I like the guy’s physical nature that he brings to the game. There are players that you tell them to play aggressive(ex: Goodman), with Jenkins you never have that. He will always be aggressive and phsycial— a trait that is often overlooked for a CB. Jenkins is the best CB at man to man in the draft. Also the guy shutdown AJ Green and Blackman before. If he can shutdown AJ Green(a top 5 WR), then he shutdown any WR in the league. Throw the off the field issues aside because the broncos have Bailey and Tebow to take care of this. Not to mention John Fox as well. If the broncos don’t get this guy, he will be yet another good player the broncos could have had in the draft..
It appears that Jenkins has gotten his life on track.
Getting kicked off the Gators got his attention. He is a great CB.
He should've been on the poll instead of Gilmore.
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Janoris Jenkins is who I was saying in my first mock and everyone tore up the pick for his character concerns...
Despite me saying he’s probably a changed man, and one on one interviews with EFX will ultimately decide if we pick him or not.
The people who tore you apart were morons
"He’s the Darrelle Revis of college football. He doesn’t shy away from competition and looks to take on the other team’s #1 playmaker. Unlike the other top cornerbacks in this draft, Jenkins will shadow the top opposing receiver no matter where the receiver lines up. He’s physical and not just in a pass defense only mindset.
Jenkins looks to make play and it doesn’t matter if it’s picking a pass or coming off the route and stopping the running back coming out of the backfield. He’s one of the most sure tacklers in the college game."
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nfl/49ers/2012-nfl-mock-draft-janoris-jenkins
We’d be extremely lucky to even have the opportunity to draft him.
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by ElwayFanJ on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody tore him apart.
All we did was question whether Janoris Jenkins would ever grow up. I hope he does, but to me, his talent doesn’t justify the risk. He’s simply not that special.
Darrelle Revis? Now that’s moronic.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
I remember a few people saying they couldn't wait untill he turns into Perrish Cox...
Because raping someone and Weed are totally the same thing.
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by Automatik41 on Feb 4, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly!
And he says they didn’t tear up the pick… The sarcasm was dripping out of their mouths about Jenkins.
by broncos7life on Feb 4, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Disagree.
It’s about time we disagreed about something.
I agree that Jenkins has a physical nature. He’s constantly hand-fighting, which should serve him well in the NFL. But, come on…he never “shut down” A.J. Green and he never even played Justin Blackmon. Given A.J. Green’s rookie year, we can now safely say that any limitation we saw on his performance stemmed from poor quarterback play. But Jenkins never “shut down” A.J. Green.
Also, regarding Janoris Jenkins’ Senior Bowl performance. Glowing reviews of his performances surprised me. Throughout the week, reports of Jenkins’ inability to stay with receivers were common. I watched a few of the practices live on NFLN, and his performance was wildly inconsistent. At times, he looked great, then he’d play lost. Then, when people reviewed his performances, they generally gave him solid reviews. Kind of a disconnect there. But I think it’s safe to say that Jenkins was the second-best cornerback at the Senior Bowl, behind Brandon Boykins.
If Jenkins can get his act together, he will be a solid contributor. But let’s not make him out to be a perpetual All-Pro.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
He held Green to 3 catches for 27 yards and Green said [Jenkins] is a top 5 talent.
by broncos7life on Feb 4, 2012 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
In 2010-2011 season, Jenkins faced AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Alshon Jeffrey.
The three averaged 38 yards a game against him. Green scored the only td out of all three, and only one.
by broncos7life on Feb 4, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
But that doesn't tell the whole story either, does it?
That figure was distorted by Julio Jones’ performance (4 catches, 19 yards). But even Jones’ performance was limited by the fact that Alabama was up 21-3 at halftime and the Tide only threw the ball 18 times.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure where your getting your numbers.
And I’m not sure which game you’re referring to, but if you’re referring to the 2010 game, that’s a situation where the stats don’t tell the whole story.
For one thing, A.J. Green wasn’t in single coverage for much of the game. I remember for Green’s touchdown, Murray threw into triple coverage. Also, if I remember that game correctly, I’m not even sure if Jenkins was covering the Green the majority of snaps.
Besides, you’re missing my point: I’m not saying Janoris Jenkins is going to bust. I’m saying that he’s far from a sure thing. The kid is talented, but he’s also made some stupid decisions. He was tazed by cops and, if that wasn’t enough, he was later busted for possession. To me, I can forgive the tazing; but most reasonable people would ask themselves if they’re on the right life path after being tazed by cops. He didn’t. We have no reason to believe he made any life changes after being tazed. Apparently, the Florida staff agreed because they kicked him out of the program.
Here’s my position: I don’t think Jenkins represents a great enough talent to justify the risk.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
It's the Ganji
Dope-smokers tend to get lost on a regular basis. Not worth the risk. Period.
by BustedBroncos on Feb 5, 2012 4:42 AM MST up reply actions
Hell no to Janoris Jenkins. The guys is like Pacman Jones. Incredible talent, bad character/decision making.
He’ll be arrested again. 3 times in college. 3 times! Once this guy gets a paycheck he’ll mess up. its only a matter of time and using a 1st round pick on that kind of risk is not worth it.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 4, 2012 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
I'll take...
I’ll take the UGLY pick….
Peter Konz… Center from Wisconsin.
INSTANT UPGRADE!!!
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Konz almost made the poll, so you are not alone.
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He definately would have gotten my vote had he been there.
When you get a chance for BPA that fits elite status you take them and build around them. Give us one more elite pass rusher from any position and our D jumps into the top 10 AND makes our DBs look a whole lot better, whether they are or not.
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
This is something I wouldn't mind.
Walton may be young but he hasn’t done that well. He showed improvement but if Konz can come in on day 1 and solidify the center position I think you have to take him. Don’t know if he’s that kind of player like Maurice Pouncey was, but I remember in 2010 when Pouncey got drafted his stock didn’t pick up a lot of momentum until very late into the drfating process. It wouldn’t surprise me if Konz was similar.
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Come on Toronto teams, one of you make the goddamn playoffs.
Walton can be the swing man.
Hoch will probably be gone. We need a backup C/G. Or walton starts and Beadles is swing man.
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It's a luxury pick for us, and we have many holes
An upgrade over Walton, who was drafted only 2 years ago? How much of an upgrade? We are not in a position to throw away 1st round picks on an upgrade over a young and serviceable player.
same could be said....
for all our picks….they are all upgrades….
let’s face it… some people think we need a CB…. Claiborne will be gone..
some say we need a force at DT… wont be there at pick 25…
at pick 25… well… the chances are it’s not really gonna be a STUD RB… Richardson will b gone..WR… Blackmon will be gone… DE… Coples will be gone… LB… ? well maybe one might slip…Upshaw/Hightower
But we could snag the BEST center… or Guard… if DeCastro falls thru…
Firm believer in the Best Athlete available… at their position… Konz is the Best center same with DeCastro… Just my opinion…
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by TrainDriverIvan on Feb 4, 2012 1:25 AM MST up reply actions
I'd agree every other year
But the DT is not promising for the Broncos past 2012. The only long term answers are Bunkley, Thomas, and maybe McBean and Vickerson. That’s one NT and 3 UTs. Denver has needed a 4-3 NT since 2007.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
Let's remember McD drafted Walton and beadles for his scheme and it might not be Fox's...
If Fox thought Konz is better than Walton so be it…
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OL is never the sexy pick
but it’s a necessary evil us fans need to realize. We all want the sexy skill position players, but you need to build inside then out, so it’s an option. Beadles played well down the stretch. Walton probably will be given some sort of competition.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
IMO
No thanks.
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by Digger24 on Feb 3, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
not just no, but HELL NO!
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 9, 2012 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
Another outside the box idea is Zach Brown as an ILB.
The kid is fast as hell and all scouting reports say he’s a solid tackler, good in coverage and he has good instincts. Some teams might be scared off by his small size but Foxy has always preferred smaller linebackers.
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He's on the list
above the poll. Just not one I would want.
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Fast is the name of the game with Fox...
But, since we addressed the position 3 times in 2011, I doubt we would draft another one in the 1st rd. maybe later though.
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We did, but DJ might be gone i think.
Brown reminds me ALOT of Von Miller, just isn’t the pass rusher that Von is, he’s a more well rounded LB then Von. If he can play ILB i’d do it, he could play the WOLB, and have Woodyard play the mike.
It would be hard to pass up his talent.
Hiring the new capologist Sullivan might have some WTF ramifications rippling through Dove Valley and DJ might be one of them...
DJ’s contract is way more than he’s really worth in book. Some will argue that he is he most talented of the LBer corp besides Miller and I would agree , but he’s making way too much money fir it. I think in the next few weeks DJ will be in the office talking over his contract or EFX will do something else with him. And, that goes for all of them not just him. It;s time Broncos fans start thinking about Broncos first and players second.
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I'd rather sign Woodyard and let DJ go
the money they’re paying him doesnt add up with the play on the field. He does get tackles, but how many of them are impactful plays? Not many, plus he’s TERRIBLE in coverage.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
He's actually better than Wood in coverage
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DJ does make to much for what he does.
We need the new cap man. We have major money issues right now with most of the money being split into guys making to darn much, guys who will be wanting to make to darn much real soon and guys who are lucky to be making as much as they do. IMO the cap guy better get rid of the guys lucky to be on a roster and even out the rest of the money. That means Champ, Doom, DJ and Kuper all should have to re-do their contracts. If they choose not to, who knows what will happen. I think it will be a gradual fix though.
As for DJ/Woodyard. I say keep them both. Sam-Von, Mike-DJ/Irving; Will-DJ/Woodyard. Injuries happen at LB frequently. We need them all. Mays and Haggan too if they stay cheap enough.
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If that would be the case, I would do the opposite.
I would leave Williams at Will and put Brown at Mike. Also you could switch the two. I still think Williams is much better than Woodyard is.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions
I'd even put DJ at the Mike and Brown at Will
i don’t know. When woodyard starts, always seems like he’s everywhere making tackles.
I do agree DJ is more talented, but Woodyard is a better player if that makes sense
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
I see where you're going with that, but DJ had a real nice season.
Plus, where I find DJ more useful then Woodyard is rushing the passer. DJ has had back to back 5 sack seasons, which is pretty good for a LB. When Miller, Dumervil, and Williams were all going after the QB, it usually resulted in something good. I’d still keep Woodyard for depth reasons though.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah woodyard needs to stay, he's a team leader.
DJ did have a good year, but his contract doesnt live up to his play, i could see us reworking his contract or cutting him.
Woodyard deserves a chance though.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
I disagree. DJ played good and lived up to his contract this year.
He was hardly ever the problem.
This stat right here is all I need to know DJ is worth it. “Joined by Ray Lewis (Bal.) and James Farrior (Pit.) as the only three players with at least 700 tackles and 15 sacks since he entered the league in 2004 (press box totals).” Denverbroncos.com
DJ gets no love around here.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 4, 2012 2:15 AM MST up reply actions
DJ isnt in the same class as those 2. Those made those plays with great players surrounding them
DJ got alot of tackles because everyone else missed or he stopped the runner 5-6 yards down the field.
DJ had a good year, but he’s nothing special. Woodyard would be cheaper and has shown when he’s stepped in for DJ that he can play just as good if not better than DJ.
DJ is overrated by some around here
Again I disagree.
DJ made those tackles 5-6 yards down field because he had to make up for others mistakes. Is that his fault? No. Also how many d-cordinators has he been through and how many has Ray Lewis gone through? Yet still DJ produces year after year. His numbers don’t lie. Also how many pro-bowl DTs has DJ played behind? Jamal Williams? Justin Bannan? Fields? Sam Adams? Yeah he’s really overrated when he has played behind the worst d-lines in the NFL. This year when he finally got some good DT play, he didn’t have to make tackles 5-6 yards down field—unless it was him making up for Joe Mays. In addition, when DJ actually gets good d-cordinators, he’s shown to excell. Case and point in 2009 and 2011. Every single d-cordinator that has come in, has always said good things about DJ—hardly anything bad. So DJ might seem overrated to some around here, but not to EFX or any of the coaches the broncos use to have. But hey, let’s get rid of DJ and let him excell some where else. Let him go to the eagles and be their missing piece. The eagles can send the broncos a thank you card.
Like I said before, DJ doesn’t get any respect around here. Every offseason for the past 3-4 years have been the same. “Oh lets get rid of DJ because he’s an easy target” even though there hasn’t been one coach that said he was the problem. This myth that DJ has been a problem on the defense has grown into being a fairy tale.
P.S. Tell me one coach that has said something bad about DJ. If guys are going to say he’s overrated, then when has a denver bronco coach indicated that? If EFX thought DJ was under performing, they would have restructured his deal like they did Brian Dawkins deal.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 4, 2012 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
agree 100% I don't get the DJ hate. He is a great WLB.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
3 coaches
have decided that DJ is better than Wood. That is all that needs to be said, really. Three different head coaches.
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I voted for Cox, but...
I can see Hightower or Jenkins just as easily.
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wow, i'd be pissed if the draft went like this, i voted other.
Cox intrigues me, but i need to see more on him, before i’m sold. I think we’d look at Zach Brown. I have a feeling, DJ won’t be on this team next season, so he could either play WOLB, or Fox could have him play ILB. He’s talented, a type of LB that Fox loves
Now digger i have a few questions about your draft, you have Detroit taking Miller, i don’t see that happening. They will be getting Leshoure and Best back from injury, could see them going LB there. You have Worthy going to Pitt, where would be play? he’s not a NT and the steelers have Heyward and Ziggy Hood, two first rounders, so i doubt that happens. Just my 2 cents
Zack Brown is exactly the type of LB Fox likes...So, that may be a possibility.
Jahvid Best is considering retiring at age 23. Too many concussions.
I believe your right with the Steelers and if they go defense with the first pick I would guess NT Poe or Ta’amu…
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Hm, first i've heard about that. Wouldnt surprise me though. Concussions are a pain
I still don’t think they’ll go RB in the first. I could see them taking Zach Brown, a DE because Avril will probably be gone. Secondary needs to be addressed. That would free up Miller for us.
Steelers probably will take Poe if available. Hightower is also a guy they would like. James Farrior is old, Hightower would be a perfect replacement for him. Hightower is also an option for their divsional rival Ravens, so they could take him to block the Ravens
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 PM MST up reply actions
free has my back there.
The pick was geared toward Best being done. The scouting report I read said Worthy should be able to easily bulk up to 320. I figured they would groom him for a year or two. that’s what they do. I did almost give them Hightower and still might.
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If Pitt took Hightower
would you vote for Worthy?
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Concerning Worthy...I read an article on Worthy concerning his workout ethics and it wasn't good.
Now, of course a guy like him would get intune with the team or else he would be gone. I also read a scouting report on Cox last night and it also said he has the frame to bulk up without losing any strength.
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Before I answer the question, answer me this?
Why hasn’t John Fox ever in his time as head coach drafted a DT in the first…Or, the 2nd rd? If any of you can answer that with a straight face and tell me we’re GOING to draft a defensive tackle in the first round then I’ll listen. Because, to me, drafting 10 years without selecting one isn’t a coincidence, it’s by design of some sort.
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John Fox doesnt have the final say in the matter here
not sure how it was in carolina, but all reports are saying that Denver will focus on the interior of the DL. From Xanders himself…
“Brian Xanders, re: DTs on @1023ESPN: “You can definitely anticipate we’re going to look at that position hard in free agency & the draft.” via Andrew Mason
So it’s a possibility. But we also have to remember, don’t believe everything you hear this time of the year. But as of right now, the only DT’s on the roster are Vickerson, Warren, so we need to address it.
Anything is possible like you said, but don't ever think the head coach doesn't have input of players that fit his scheme and will have say at the draft...
It;s great when three (EFX) brilliant minds get together and have a consenses of the talent on the board, but Fox wants players he can coach and use in his system. Granted, I think McD had way, way too much clout in the decision making and I would hope Xanders/Ellis have indeed learned from those stupid mistakes. We’ve all heard Elway say that he works with EF and hopes that a solution to any problem can be settled among them, but he also said he has the final word and I wouldn’t think that the final word would be against the HC, he doesn’t need that conflict on his hands now.
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He did have Kris Jenkins and buckner for a few years, so that could be one reason why he draft one high
It’s something to look into though. DT’s always take a few years to develop, so i could why he wouldnt take one high. Your first round pick is supposed to have an immediate impact, and most DT’s outside of the great ones don’t produce much their first few years.
It all comes down to their board. The DT position will be addressed this offseason, it will be interesting to see how they go about it.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
I still see Fox looking at free agency for a DT.
If he wanted to go DT last year, he could have last year in the draft easily. However, they went after veterans instead. Which isn’t a bad idea because most rookie DTs outside of the top ten, hardly have an impact in their first year. It’s a rather weak class in terms of DTs. I don’t see any DTs making it into the top ten.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 3, 2012 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, i see EFX going after a DT and CB in FA
We’ll see if they will throw big money at one though, There will be a few guys out there who will intrigue us.
It would be hard to pass up Still or Brockers if available. Also, they did almost trade back up for Fairley, have to keep that in mind too
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
That is true, but Fairley could have easily been a top 5 pick.
Granted I wouldn’t be upset with getting Still or Brockers. However, I have to see it, to believe it, that the broncos will draft a DT—if ever. Which I won’t have a problem with, if they keep trading for guys like Bunkley for a ham sandwich.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 3, 2012 10:58 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah if we can pull off another trade like that, i'd be estatic
i just wish we draft a DT at somepoint haha. Seems like for the past 6-7 seasons we have had this conversation.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 PM MST up reply actions
I personally think
that Fox’s value of a DT being BPA is lower than othe players. As a HC you have to make choices of where an average player is best hidden. The whole team cannot be stars. Fox feels DT is a place for servicable vets, scavengered off other teams scap piles.
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wow
othe=other
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scap=scrap
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We're not having a spelling contest Digger, don't worry about it...
EFX did their homework last year in free agency and hit at least 2 out of the park…McGahee and Bunkley. Still scratching my head over Harvey. That guy should be selling used cars down on So Nevada in Colorado Springs…
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Sure but that doesn't mean first round
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
They almost traded back into the 1st for Fairley last year
and did almost take Dareus. So it could happen
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by TrainDriverIvan on Feb 4, 2012 6:24 AM MST up reply actions
True they considered it. Good teams consider all options. I imagine they'll consider any of the DTs available at our pick again
but if there is a top tier DE, CB and maybe RB available then they might just pass on DT again in rd 1. I guess we’ll see.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Janoris Jenkins in a heartbeat!
NFLDraftScout.com has him ranked 17th overall. Todd McShay and Charlie Campbell have him going to Dallas at #14, Dane Brugler has him going to Cincy at #17, Rob Rang has him going to Detroit at #23.
If he falls all the way to #25 it’s a no brainer. Nobody else on that list has anywhere near that kind of value.
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Only thing that worries me about Jenkins is his drug issue
Isn’t Denver one of the biggest pot cities in America? I’m not all sure of that, just always here of mile high jokes referring to weed haha
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
Doesn't concern me at all
Draft the kid and put him under Champ’s wing; he’ll be fine.
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everyone says that about bad character guys. Ultimately our veterans aren't baby sitters.
People on here said it about Perrish Cox and look where he is at now. Guess our Veteran leadership didn’t take away his free agency.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
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He shouldn't even be on our board. The guy is Pacman Jones part two. It isn't a matter of if he will get arrested again for drug charges its when.
No thanks, not with my 1st round pick.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
I would go with Hightower. I read somewhere last year LB was the least bustable PSN in the 1st round...
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 PM MST reply actions
But does Hightowers skill set transition over to a 4-3 ILB
He played in the 3-4. In the 4-3 in our D he would have to cover more. It all comes down to that for me
by Scotty Payne on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
People questioned Von
For the same reasoning. We’ll see though.
by e_saites on Feb 4, 2012 2:12 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
But Von didn't have to cover that much this year.
That’s still one aspect that he has to develope still.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 4, 2012 2:25 AM MST up reply actions
Two different positions though
Von was a hybrid pass rusher. Hightower is a big ILB who’s only played in the 3-4.
Von is fast though.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Not a Fox type LB. He is a 3-4 ILB not really set up for a 4-3. A little too big and I"m guessing he will run slower than Fox likes.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
If that is the draft board i would seriously hope they consider drafting out of the 1st
I think there are very few 1st round quality players in this draft but a lot who you would take with 2nd / 3rd round picks, so would like to see them pick another pick up and still draft a similar quality player than one which would be available at 25.
If I had to pick one it would be Peter Konz because he is the best player on the board and would upgrade the team.
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I think it's going to b e Konz or Jenkins.
The two BPAs.
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BPA without regard to need is for teams who are continually competing. For rebuilding teams like us you have to also consider need.
I imagine we’ll draft BPA that also fills a need (much like last year). So I imagine DE, DT, RB, CB and possibly S (although I doubt it).
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
BPA for a team to come up and get.
We trade down and get an extra pick.
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I'm with you there.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Who left on that board would be worth a team to trade up for?
A trade down from #25 is highly unlikely.
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I think 3-4 teams may like Mercilus, Crick or Hightower. Someone may really like one of the TEs or Tannehill but you are right it might be tricky.
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Guys like Jared Crick and Billy Winn are better suited as 3/4 DEs, but they could be 4/3 undertackles too if they display burst off the line.
I’m not sure Crick will be healed in time for the Combines so teams will have to live off of game films with him. Mercilus at 6’4" 265lbs makes a good candidate for 4/3 DE. What I will be looking for in the Combines is the burst off the line, upper body strength and latteral persuit, plus arm length and hand size.
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I dont think Crick has that burst you need from your under tackle when playing against top quality O lineman.
Mercilus could play 43DE but i am not sure his run D is good enough so therefore from a Broncos perspective he doesnt have a 1st round grade for me. That is not to say someone wont draft him in the 1st as a 43 and use some smart plays to get him purely as a pass rusher. I dont think Broncos will do that as they have that type of player already in the DROY!
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I personally think Crick could also make a decent 4-3 DE. He's a little big but he's powerful and goes nonstop.
I really see him as a Justin Smith type of player.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
Why...
Is Vontaze Burfict not on the list?
He’s my pick and if he’s not in your top 20 lets trade down and pick him up in the second round! Steal the new Ray Lewis for me.
His highlight reel
is amazing. At MLB NFL teams wantr leadership. Just because he can play like Ray doesn’t mean he gets to keep being mentioned as a clone of him. He’s not. Sorry if my veiw is not equal to yours and as for trading down, do a mock and have a trade down.
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IMO
He’s in the top 32..easily. Lets just agree to disagree.
All rumor suggests he isn't smart enough to QB a defense though. He didn't even call the defensive plays in college.
His OLB had to tell him the assignments. I don’t want that guy as my MLB.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 6, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
Not to worry, the FO will draft the BPA anyway
I trust their good judgement! Jenkins would probably be that. If he doesn’t have too much baggage he would be a top 10 choice!
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I hope it BPA of the big boys.
OL or DL.
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or a CB
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by Fabio Broncos on Feb 8, 2012 7:41 AM MST up reply actions
I'll chicken out....n trade down for picks!
If we dont go too far, get value and have similar graded players in ….
Take Brandon Thompson, or reach for Dontari Poe or Michael Brockers
DT must be the first selection by the Broncos in this draft. To heck with BPA – the position has been ignored for far too long. Besides, Janoris Jenkins should be gone before the #25 pick.
The 2nd round pick will need to be either a SS or CB.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
The reason it must be is probably why it won't be.
Look at Fox’s draft history. Has he ever selected a DT in rd 1? Can’t see a reason for him to start now. But here’s hoping.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 4, 2012 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
In truth
I don’t think Fox has ever drafted a player himself. He probably had a say in what he wanted or needed, but the GM pulled the trigger.
How much influence he has in Denver is still somewhat unknown. But I do remember he was disappointed that X didn’t draft a DT, which indicates to me he doesn’t have personnel power.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
See this is what happens when you try multitasking and you're not a female
Although most mocks I’ve seen have them being selected after our 1st round pick. One of them could be available.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
I can't multitask to save my arse.
That’s why my wife’s comments usually go in one ear and out the other because I’m reading MHR. LOL
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I hear the “you never listen to me” comment almost daily, so I understand, believe me. (=
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I tell her I don't hear it
but in reality it’s selective hearing.
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She won't believe you if you say that
my problem is she has a tendency to tell me too much and I find myself thinking about what I need to do that day. The next thing I know, I’m hearing “are you listening to me or are you looking at that Denver Broncos stuff?”
Wives have a knack for interrupting perfectly good daydreams.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
I know, right?
If they’re going to interupt they could at least do it seductive or something, instead of screeching at us. Maybe then I would listen better. Nah!!!
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DT was a greater need...
in the 2010 and 2011 drafts! We still didn’t draft one. I think in Bunkly (resigned) and the returning Ty Warren (hopefully fully repaired after injury) the need to draft a DT in the first 2 rounds will be less immediate! Below I,ve also projected Ayers to move inside to DT.
Besides a starting ILB and CB must be the clubs biggest needs! If both Nate Irving and Chris Harris can’t step. Hopefully I’m wrong and they both can. Problem solved. If not then maybe below might be the option!
1. Vonteze Burfict, ILB, Arizona
2. Jayron Hosley, CB/PR, Virginia Tech
3. Isiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
4. Donte Paige-Moss, DE, University of North Carolina (This will allow Ayers to move inside)
5. C BPA
6. WR BPA
I "d go with Fletcher cox in a heartbeat
As you know I have been on Cox from the time he said he was entering the draft . Cox is only a junior and can play anywhere on the D Line If your not any good you don’t win Defensive lineman four times this year in the SEC conference . I also think that Del RIo will have a large say in what he needs to take the defense to the next level . Cox can play in the middle or the end so you can move him around on any given play . I do not see a middle linebacker in this draft they either retain Joe Mays and hope Irving steps up or they will sign another free agent and address the MLB position next year and try to get Monte Teo if MLB is still a major issue . Brockers would be my pick if he was there at twenty five otherwise it would be Cox no question .
Thanks ultra
Your input is appreciated.
Nice comment on Cox. I like him.
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Crick was a top 15 pick before he hurt his pectoral.
Basically he got the same injury as Doom right? Look how Doom has come back from it 9.5 sacks and he didn’t even play in all the games.
Crick will be a 1st round pick IMO. This isn’t like a knee injury that could make him lose explosion or speed. I can’t see him dropping far because of it. Especially if he does the combine.
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Guys whose draft stock falls because of major injury or illness can bring great value for teams able to take the risk
Look at Frank Gore – whose gruesome knee blowout knocked him to the 4th round despite 1st round talent
or
DaQuan Bowers – who was the 9th DE drafted in 2011 despite arguably the best talent (51st overall pick). He numbers were ok as a rookie so maybe he was still suffereing the effects on the surgery (25 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 4 PD while starting 6 games and appearing in all 16)
or
Marcus Cannon – some considered him the best OT available in 2011 until he got diagnosed with cancer. He dropped to the 5th roun, but played in 7 games for the Pats this season.
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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 9, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
Fletcher Cox in a LANDSLIDE! It's not even close.
You’ll find Brandon Thompson and Jared Crick in 2nd round! The only other consideration I’d make for the 25 pick is Mercilus Whitney (He’s Melvin Ingram level DE)
For those saying Donte’ Hightower, forget it! He’s an ILB in a 3-4, and Courtney Upshaw made him look better than he is…case and point!
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I think while I'm editing I'm going to
mock Hightower to the Steelers. That will make Worthy available if anyone wants to vote for him.
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Chase Minnifield
I’d like to vote for him… or Lamar Miller. They aren’t options, so I’d go with Cox… who would be a great pick though.
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Miller taken earlier in the mock.
Minnefield must have been to far down in the rankings and I had 3 CBs listed already. I agree he should be on there. I’ll edit him to the list, not the poll.
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Got the answer... I'm always replying this way and the comment is the last one.
SBNation has a poor and confusing system in this case =)
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by Fabio Broncos on Feb 4, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
The best available DT please
I dont follow college ball so I’ll that up to you draft gurus
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You might need to create another post.
Because I voted in the previous poll, I wasn’t able to vote in the new poll. It only shows me the results.
I like this poll more. Then, once a winner is selected, you could have another poll where readers select from the best prospects at the position that won this poll.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 4, 2012 10:41 AM MST reply actions
You're right Jerry.
I screwed that up royally.
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Here are the percentages of John Fox's draft picks.
DB 21%
LB 12%
RB 11%
WR 11%
DE 9%
OT 9%
TE 8%
OG 5%
QB 5%
C 4%
DT 4%
The majority of Fox’s first rd picks were: OTs-2, DEs-1, RBs-2, LBs-1 and CBs-2
Fox only drafted 3 DTs with 2 in the 3rd rd and 1 in the 2nd. He drafted multible DEs from 2-7th rds with Charles Johnson in the 3rd. 10 years of drafting is a pretty good guide of how Fox feels about certain positions and when they should be drafted. Granted this may change as time moves forward and it is nothing other than a guide…
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I hate these stats bfree.
Without total knowledge of all the variables it means only what you want it to mean. I agree he doesn’t value a DT as high as a LB, but to me that does not mean he will ignore DT again to draft a LB after taking 2 last year.
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it doesn't mean he'll ignore it but the chances of him taking one are lower if there is a CB or RB with home run potential on the board.
like you can’t use stats definitively you also can’t ignore them. These stats are valuable. They show the positions that Fox values with premium picks.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 4, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
I don't ignore the stats Math
I just don’t think it is the tell all the bfree suggests. Fox’s tendencies are controlled by circumstance. For instance last year he really wanted to draft a DT, but he had the eventual DROY on the board. LOL
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exactly and I think every year there will be a more impactful player available than a DT. That is just my opinion.
You never see a DT win rookie of the year but you see much more RB, WR, DE, CB, LB, etc. it is because they make more of a direct impact. That is why I think even if Fox wants to draft a DT he may not be able to due to the teams philosophy of BPA.
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by BroncoMath101 on Feb 5, 2012 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
Will Kuechly be there?
If so, we take him. I’m not so sure he will last until 25, though.
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…or trade out and select the sure to be post-combine riser George Iloka in the second. They need to A) prepair for Champ’s decline and B) mitigate the rise of the TE. Iloka has a rare combo of size/speed/athleticism, even if he did play at a subBSC program.
A trade out would be nice, wouldn't it?
Say, have you looked at Iloka at all? He intrigues me as a way to, as you say, “mitagate the rise of the TE.” Nice slam on Boise BTW. Anyway bfree informed me that he is not really a SS type. What do you think on that?
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I think a S is a S in the modern NFL. Steve Atwater looked and played more like a SS his entire HoF* career, but he is in the books as a FS. Iloka was a very productive tackler, with 27 starts for a damn good program, he displays serious baller instincts, and he comes with the rare size to match up with all NFL TE prototypes. His only real ding in ’nik world is where he played. I doubt the NFL grades him down as much for that.
I wasn’t taking a shot at Boise State, either. That was a dig at the pundits, who heavily over or underrate prospects based on conference and/or geography.
The BCS has ruined college rankings
to the point of ruining college football altogether.
I just realized that this post doesn’t even have my mock on it. How did you know it had Iloka on it? To me he is a must, which is why I traded up to get him in the 2nd. I know most fans would have a fit over that move (and did on my mock) and say we need a FA SS. Some FAs over the years have worked out for us (Lynch, Dawkins) others haven’t (Manual, McCree). At any rate, Bruton won’t cut it. Carter and Moore are of the same mold and will play, but we need someone beside whichever one of those two start at FS. My first option would be to trade down from the first. If that doesn’t happen then I hope we move up from #57 for Iloka. Maybe we take Baron at #25 and make trading up for Iloka a moot point.
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Adding a pass rusher
From my point of view, the single largest impact position we can get with this pick is another pass rusher. Von and Doom are fantastic. Ayers seems to have transitioned inside nicely enough. But if you add one guy to this roster, it should be a guy that can hurry the QB. We are already close to dominant at times in this aspect of the game.
In my opinion, NFL teams that succeed consistently manage to control one part of the game. Whether that’s passing, rushing, defending the pass, defending the rush – - even special teams in rare cases – - You have to take your biggest strength and exploit it while masking your biggest weakness. We are incredibly close to a top 5 pass rush. I don’t think we are one player away from top 5 in anything else.
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