Skotty's Mock Draft...Should the Broncos trade out of the first?
by Scotty Payne on Feb 4, 2012 4:54 PM MST
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PrintThis is just an idea. I think the Broncos should entertain the idea of trading back and acquiring more draft picks, like last year. This is all depending on who's available at 25. So let's just say so, for arguments sake that the Broncos see more value in the 2nd then where they sit at 25.
According the WaltersFootball Draft Chart (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php) The Broncos pick is worth 720 points. So the Broncos could easily gain an extra 2nd, 3rd and 4th or 5th round pick, which i'll go with in this draft. In a dream scenario the eagles send us their two 2nd round picks haha
Let's jump to the draft
2a. Doug Martin RB Boise St. 5'9 220lbs
Get a good running back who'll share carries with McGahee and Moreno(if healthy)
Other Options: Jerel Worthy, Stephon Gilmore, Vinny Curry
2b: Kendall Reyes DT Uconn 6'4 300lbs
A DT who can bring some interior pressure.
Other Options: Vontaze Burfict, Bobby Wagner, Cam Johnson, Chase Minnifield, Ta'amu, Crick and David Wilson
3a: Josh Norman CB 6'0 203lbs Coastal Carolina
A talented corner who'll give us some much needed youth in the secondary
Other Options: LaMichael James, Mike Martin, Brandon Boykin, Jaron Hosely, Nick Toon, Chandler Jones, Brian Quick
3b: Tommy Streeter WR Miami 6'4 215lbs
Kid is raw, but fast and full of potential
Other Options: Isaiah Pead, Dwight "Bill" Bentley, Bernard Pierce, Joe Adams
4. BJ Coleman QB UT-Chattanooga
Elway is going to want his QB in this draft
Other options: Marvin McNutt, Michael Brewster, Ladarius Green, Ronnie Hillman, Russell Wilson, Audie Cole
5a. Chris Rainey RB/WR Florida 5'8 190lbs
Fast, and can be a weapon if used correctly
5b. Chad Diehl FB Clemson 6'2 257lbs
Best FB in the draft. Can challenge Larsen for a the starting FB spot.
5c. Markus Zusevics OT Iowa 6'5 300lbs
We need OL depth. Zusevics would add some nice youth, and depth to our OL
So what do you guys think? Just an idea
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I really like a number of your picks....
I love the Martin pick and trading out of the first round. Like I said I really like the individual picks but for me it’s a little too offense heavy. But you never know what’ll happen.
Good post
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Great start...I like it. But where are your 6th and 7th round picks? Cmon man!
Peronally, I’d be looking for Brandon Thompson/Derek Wolfe/Jared Crick in 2nd. Don’t forget DE/LB also. There’s a talented kid in Ark named JakeBequette (DE)(6’5, 280) who’d be great value in 3rd. Really love your Doug Martin/Chris Rainey picks….!!!!! Tommy Streeter is another great one! We do need to address LB also…so who else ya got? Maybe you grab your LB in 3-4th and move your QB priority into the 5th where you have 3 picks?
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you could slide a LB in the 4th or 5th
and in the scenario we got an extra 2nd, 3rd and 5th in the draft. To be honest, there’s so many different ways and scenarios we can go in the draft.
I'd rather crick than reyes,
Also, I would rather wait on rb,, pick up Turbin later in the draft. Go cb with that first second instead. Or dt then cb with the second 2nd. Nice picks though, I think you’re already aware that I’m all for bouncing back.
by e_saites on Feb 4, 2012 5:51 PM MST via Android app reply actions
Also disagree
About the QB pick, don’t think he’ll pick one at all.
by e_saites on Feb 4, 2012 5:53 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I'm aware of that
FA is likely,
But I don’t think there will be one available that’s worth taking the chance on in the draft
by e_saites on Feb 4, 2012 6:12 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
We'll see if EFX does.
Wouldnt surprise me if they drafted one to compete with Weber and the Veteran they sign
I disagree on waiting for a RB. Need to grab one in the first 2 rounds
no later then the 3rd. Crick is a tweener in a 4-3, 280lb DT, He’s more of a 5 Tech DE in a 3-4.
Crick
Played the same position as reyes, and was much more effective in a more challenging conference. Just because reyes has 15 lbs on crick doesn’t make him a better fit.
by e_saites on Feb 4, 2012 6:10 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I don't care what they did in college really
i don’t see crick fairing well in a 4-3 in the NFL He’ll be a liability in the run game. He’s a poor mans JJ Watt.
What do you care about then?
Just measurements?
The basis of analysis for any player coming from college is what they were able to do. Is your sole reasoning for Reyes over Crick the size? Because we already have plenty of DTs over 300 lbs.
by e_saites on Feb 4, 2012 6:25 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I care about their skill set.
Reyes skill set is better suited for a DT who can collapse the pocket at DT. Crick’s skill set is better suited as a 3-4 DE.
i agree but for different reasons, he will be good against the run but wont get a lot of pressure, he struggled to get good pressure when he played against the good lineman.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
Thanks for the info man
I can see him being great in run support as a 4-3 DE. But no way he should be a 4-3 DT.
That is what was said about Pierre-Paul
and if I remember right the consensus was Pierre-Paul was another Mamula. Just a workout warrior. Same with Tuck and Canty. Oh, and don’t forget Calais Campbell was just a 4-3 DE, IF he added weight.
I’d take all of the them right now in Denver’s 4-3 scheme.
Make those miracles happen - Jon Keyworth
No one said that about Pierre-Paul
he was raw, very athletic and fast. Tuck is a DE, not a DT and a helluva pass rusher. Campbell is another great talent.
Don’t get me wrong, crick is good, but i dont see him has a 3 down DT. He’s more of a DE.
Norman had a nice write-up pre senior bowl but he isn't a legit 3rd round pick!
BUT Coleman isn’t a legit 4th rounder either, and Diehl will probably a 7th rounder at best.
Slide Norman into the 4th round, Colman into 5B and Zusevics will become our UDFA.
Now you have room for a good LB or safety in the third round. I would really prefer Mike Martin DT Michigan instead of Reyes.
Love your trade down
Kansas Bob
Diehl is the best FB in the draft, he'll go in the 5th round.
QB’s alway go earlier than they should. Norman actually is a legit late 2nd, early 3rd round pick
5 fullbacks were drafted last year
Diehl will be drafted. He would be a great fit for the Broncos. He’s a hard nosed blocker in the run game. The broncos are a run first team, a strong run blocking FB is important to our team
also hynoski, who went undrafted,
who if i remember correctly was mocked many times to be a bronco, has been playing well for the giants. i also would like a good FB in our backfield.
Marecic, Sherman, Bradford (now a LB), Chapas and Bannon
were the 5 FBs drafted last year in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 7th rounds respectively last year.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
And many more very good ones after the draft was over.
We can get an UFA or a FA to compete with Larsen.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Hey Scotty.
The trade down, if we can, is where it’s at. There just isn’t real good talent at #25. At least not head and shoulders above anybody available in the 2nd round. You are stuck on Philly again. Just because they have two 2nd round picks. How about this, look at who is right behind us in the draft. Houston, NE, GB, SF. Then decide what a team will want to jump in front of them for. Not a TE I’ll tell you that. Anyway good luck with your trade down.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I didn't trade with philly, didnt trade with any team, just did a hypothetical trade. Only mentioned philly because they have two 2nd rounders
and that would be the dream scenario. I do agree, as of right now, if Miller, Brockers, Still and Ingram are all off the board, i can see a trade back
Nobody has freaked out about how far you have Burfict slipping?
Wow! Could it be that folks are coming to their senses?
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
I really think he will go mid to late 2nd round.
And I still don’t want him there.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I see mock after mock
With the Ravens taking him at the end of the first, but it’s still early. That would be a better fit for him in the long run. I think we look to FA for a Mike and hope that Irving starts to live up to the hype. Another option would be to have Von give Joe Mays an intensive tackling clinic from now until camp!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Or go sign Dan Connor haha.
Usually all Penn State LBs know how to tackle.
by tiderfootball09 on Feb 4, 2012 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
Connor would be a good pick up
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
i almost had us taking him with out second 2nd rounder, but really didnt want people to freak haha
Personally i’d rather have Bobby Wagner anyways. He has all the skills, but the mental makeup worries me.
If the broncos could get Curry in the second, that would be awesome!
On passing downs, have Curry, Miller, Dumervil, and Ayers—the pass rush he showed against the steelers— also add in DJ Williams to rush the pasher, that would be fun to watch. The broncos would start looking like the Giants of the AFC with all the pass rushers.
Also I’m not sure David Wilson makes it out of the first round. If he does, the broncos should take him in a heart beat. “Studying VTech O. RB D. Wilson’s balance and finish continues to be impressive. Tough to knock off of his feet.” That’s what Kevin Weidl said at ESPN/twitter. I agree with his statment, that’s what I saw in the Michigan game. However, I do like the Norman pick. He would be a steal in the third round.
Curry intrigues me too. Excited to see him at the Combine.
That would be a nasty pass rush.
I like wilson, but i Have Martin and Miller ahead of him. I doubt he goes in the first. Early second maybe.
Wilson is way over rated
I would only consider him in the 3rd round because of his upside and his skills in open play.
From what I have seen Wilson struggles to find open lanes and is a poor decision maker.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
You should take a second look at him. He is much better than that. He hits holes very well and is able to burn around the edges without losing speed. He is 1st round talent.
"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Feb 5, 2012 4:03 AM MST up reply actions
he is better around the edges but seems to only hit holes against weak defences when saw him against good D lines notably Clemson he struggled. that 22 yard loss vs Michigan was icing on the cake for his decision making skills for me.
dont mind if am proved wrong though.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
Scotty... the question is:
Would you trade your amount of picks to go up just a few spots to the 1st? I wouldn’t in any case… If I’m a ready franchise like the Packs and I want to go up, then I really go up and trade for the early 8s. If I’m a building franchise like we are, I need more picks, so I wouldn’t burn mine trading some mid for the Broncos just to gain a few spots.
I loved the picks though, and they are all likely to happen.
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I could see a team in the early 2nd wanting to trade up for Tannehill
or even Weeden. Some team will miss out on the Luck or RG3 sweepstakes. Teams like Miami, Washington, Seattle, Buffalo, KC, Arizona or even Dallas.
There's always someone who drops and if we're not interested in them, we could field calls for the spot
There’s alot of variables that have to go right for us to trade back, this was just a hypothetical situation
Interesting point, Scotty
And a possible one.
Be honest though… we make this trades because we are Broncos and we love our franchise. If you really were on the opposite side, would you do it?
I would NEVER give my 1st and 2nd (for example) to go up a few spots and grab Reyes over Crick for example. We can’t expect the other teams to do it.
However ok, your situation is possible to happen… just not much likely imo.
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by Fabio Broncos on Feb 4, 2012 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
To be honest, i hate giving up picks ever. But if a team NEEDS a QB, I could see it happen
It’s that or they reach for them, alot like the Vikings and Titans did last year. It’s possible, but not likely. I mean there’s always someone who trades back into the first round to grab someone, and they usually get a good haul for it. I know this is a bad example, but look at the trade MCD did for Tebow. So you never know, Teams get desperate.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 4, 2012 11:21 PM MST up reply actions
It will change alot. Will be risers and droppers.
Then add in Free Agency, things will come into focus better
Great draft. Love the picks. I wish we could get Turbin as well as Martin but I actually think this would be more realistic.
I think BJ coleman is the best late round prospect and I could seriously see Elway grabbing him to develop behind Tebow. Nicely done.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
I'd love to draft 2 RB's in this draft, i just doubt MHR would agree with me haha
by Scotty Payne on Feb 4, 2012 11:39 PM MST up reply actions
This member of MHR agrees with you
Preferably with our 2nd or 3rd and then with a later pick. We need a whole new stable of backs IMO.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
We do.
I’d love to get Lamar Miller at 25 and LaMichael James in the 3rd. or Doug Martin in the 2nd and James in the 3rd…either or we need some more speed back there
Great job! I can't complain about any of those picks
Martin, Reyes, and Streeter would be an amazing haul.
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Liked your mock
I’d LOVE it if we got Burficit in the 2b slot. That would leave a hole at DT which I would fill with another FA dlineman named Red Bryant. Does anyone else here know of him ? I saw a list of FA’s online and looked all ’em up on Madden ( making my own mock offseason/2012 Madden roster ). If Madden has this guy ranked close to his real abilities this guy would be HUGE for us ( no pun intended ).
Honestly I'd rather see us get aggressive and try to grab top 15 pick
Get us a player that grades out as an elite DT prospect or a top flight corner.
by TennesseeBronco on Feb 5, 2012 12:44 AM MST reply actions
I pray we don't get Still
Seems incredibly overrated and DT is fairly even talent through rounds 2-3. I think Taamu Thompson Cox Brockers all have similar level of talent. So there is no reason to trade up for any of them. I say wait and see who falls and get a better value
by jshaw546 on Feb 6, 2012 12:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Good picks and good idea on trading back. I think the BPA for us around #25 is probably going to be a O-linemen. I would be okay taking one if he is a Pouncy type talent, but would prefer we trade back like in this mock (Though my opinion likely will change after combine).
"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Feb 5, 2012 4:09 AM MST reply actions
A huge thumbs up on drafting the #1 FB..would love to see us grab another OLman in the elete category...high as a 2nd if need be.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
I could see us potentially grabbing a Guard early.
Who knows how bad Kupers ankle is, Beadles did okay. Walton is the weak link i think. I think a tough run blocking FB is important. I love Larsen, but it always seems like he gets hurt and is out for an extended period of time
I'd very much like to be wrong but Walton just "feels" like the weak link. Beadles, well, he could still have some growing to do.
The question for me is whether Walton has any more physical upside. If he is at his physical limit experience and technique are the only growth avenues. My growing picture is an overwhelming, mauling offense fundamentally based on the run game. Let’s break the mold by playing 3 TE’s with a rock crushing FB and an OL that could bull doze a straight line from Denver to the SB. Can you imagine what Tebow could do with his down field passing in that set up?
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Feb 5, 2012 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
If we pick two offensive players might as well mail it in
So you suggest that we take two offensive players with our four top picks? I could not disagre any more strongly. If I had my druthers it would be one, and that one would be offensive line. And quite honestly if we choose a WR with any of our top 4 picks (especially anything in top 3 rounds) well then we might as well call Matt Millen and ask him to stop advising Elway on personnel decisions.
Did you see the game tonight? Those two running backs that ran roughshod were 4th and 7th round picks. One of the WRs was an UDFA. What made the Giants super was a great QB (from the pocket I might add) and an amazing Oline and an amazing Dline. Tonight was exactly what John is dreaming about for our team.
We will draft defense first, with a springling a offensive depth. John will cointue to look for a QB that can do what Eli and Tom do. At least that is what I think . . .
I like all D line and CB this year....
Maybe one RB and do Offense next….build a great D so that when they figure out the O, we are rock solid on D….we have a lot of guys to develop….but really – anything we need for the O now can be had in FA I think…they should not make big draft bets on O till they figure out what they wanna do and with whom…Think of it this way…if the Team and Tebow do well next year, its because the D improved and the O got more experience/coaching…If we suck, it will be the O not the D and then the draft for O will be a priority IMHO
We need to add another RB or 2 this offseason via the draft and Free Agency.
We need some WR depth. Defense is an area of Need. We need a DT, but i see us signing a FA because rookie DT’s do not contribute early. Corner is a need, we could also address this via FA and the draft. Safety and ILB will be FA. DE will be a combo too.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 6, 2012 12:06 AM MST up reply actions
I couldnt disagree more with this...
I saw the game tonight, none of them are the Broncos, or a John Fox lead team. You say we shouldnt take a WR, Okay. We have Thomas and Decker, royal is a FA, Willis isnt great at all. What you didnt mention is that Hakeem Nicks is a first round pick, Manningham is a 2nd round pick. Broncos need another weapon for Tebow. So your Millen reference is well, for a lack of a better term, dumb. Sure we could add a veteran via Free Agency, if we don’t we’ll draft one.
We’re going forward with Tebow and we need some new running backs. McGahee is old, Moreno is glass. Ball and Johnson suck. Idc what round those guy were taken. John Fox needs talented backs to run his system. This isn’t mike shanahan’s offense turning nobodies into 1200 yard rushers.
In 2002, he took DeShaun Foster in 2nd, they already had Stephen Davis…He then took another back in the 5th
In 2005 he took Eric Shelton in the 2nd round(Stephen Davis retired)
in 2006 he took DeAngelo Williams in the 1st round
in 2008 he took Jonathan Stewart in the 1st round(Foster left)
In 2009 he took Mike Goodson in the 4th round
So he took 2 first round RB’s, 2 second round running backs, 1 in the forth round, and 1 in the fifth round. That’s 6 running backs drafted in a 7 year span and 4 in the first 2 rounds. Our stable consist of a aging 30 year old runner whom fox said he wants to limit his carries, Knowshon Moreno who is never healthy and hasnt proven to be anything more then a third down back, and 2 scrubs, so you’re telling me we, fox won’t insist on taking a RB early? Add in we have Tebow as our QB.
Tebow isn’t a super great QB yet, and those aren’t our offense, so i don’t care what they did. We’ll draft D, but we also do need offense. It’s stupid to say that we should ignore the offensive side of the ball.
by Scotty Payne on Feb 6, 2012 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
You kinda make the case to trade down?
Gather more depth…Im kinda observing that most folks agree on whats needed to improve, its just how we get the guys…even Fox said we need to upgrade alt of talent. I do like the way EFX evaluate talent, so it will be fun to watch.
And
who EFX sees of importance on our own bench that we should re-sign. FA aquistions and losses are key to trying to figure out who we will draft. Until then it’s just wasted effort. I still like to guess who we might get though.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Trade down for more picks
Scotty I like the idea of trading down to get more picks I just don’t think it will happen in round one . there will be a player EFX really likes at 25 . I think its much more likely they trade out of round 2 as there won’t be as big of a drop in talent from our pick # 57 and some where in the top half of round three . I can see picking up an extra fourth and fifth and sixth round picks with trading out of round two .
by ultraclassic04 on Feb 6, 2012 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
I suppose it depends on who is pulling the trigger
and my bet is on John. The point I have, is that dominant D players are more difficult to find that impact offensive players. Tuck was not a star in year one, but he evoled into the star he is. I am basing my opinion on what Elway has said, not what Fox has done. Elway has said elite in one area, and a pocket passer.
My interpretation of that is we are going to work to build an elite defense. Who are the elite defenses? Ravens, Giants, Bears maybe. What do those teams have? quick pressure, nasty mlb (at least 2 of the 3) and speed on D. I think if Elway sees a guy, or guys, that fit any of those areas defensively he will pull the trigger. Not always, but more often than not those guys are first couple rounds.
Finally, I agree that we need WR depth and another runner. But I think FA and later in the draft is where those questions are answered for now. And of course Nicks is 1st round (I think near where we are picking). But he was added to a team that was already pretty nasty on D. We are not at that stage in my opinion. We have a solid foundation on offense, but really do you think if we have more WRs our offense will be more explosive? I love Tebow, and I hope he gets it done, but I saw the games and I saw the guys we ran out there getting open time and time again (too many drops – granted but every team deal with that). I think if Tebow can get it done at a 55% completion clip, with his running threat everyone on offense looks better.
And I still think if we pick two offensive skill guys in first three rounds that Matt Millen has hijacked our draft . . .
I could live with this...
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The only offensive positions that I can justify using a pick on in the first 4 rounds are RB and OL.
Every back we have is a significant downgrade from our 30 year old veteran, McGahee.
Many will disagree with me on the OL pick, but you can we need better depth on the OL. The 5 same guys taking 95% of the snaps on the OL is a very rare occurrence in the NFL. High quality offensive lineman can be had in the 3rd and 4th rounds (or later). Getting a guard to push Beadles or to hedge our bet on Kuper’s recovery would be very wise.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
WE do need a backup to McGahee.
Is this an early round guy? I personally don’t think so.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
I'm with you on this, but I would like to do a little more research on the relative production from late round (4th or later)
vs early round RBs in the past few years. I might do a separate post on this topic
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
I'm with you
even though I seem to be taking a bit of heat for it. RB, sure some of the higher rated guys will go in first two rounds. But every year there are late round guys and UDFAs that have an impact too, and that is where we need to go for a RB. I also agree that we need another young stud for the middle of our line. I like that we have Harris back, but I am concerned that we dont have a lot at G right now.
Love this mock Skotty
I have had all these guys on my radar each time I create mock Draft options. My checklist for this offseason involve:
Star Qualtiy RB
Big WR
Fast Playmaker
Interior Rushing DT
Starting Potential CB
This mock covers them all
by jshaw546 on Feb 6, 2012 12:45 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Thanks man!
yeah, people think we need to focus just on the defensive side of the ball in the draft, they’re mistaken.
We need another starting RB.
A deep threat at WR who can stretch the field, and allow us to move Decker to the slot.
A playmaker like Rainey who can run the ball, catch the ball and be a factor on special teams
Defense does need to be addressed, i do think we’ll add pieces via FA for the most part though. We need to draft D-Line this draft. A DT is a big need, we need DE depth. Sign a vet at ILB and S and we’ll be okay there. Draft a CB, and possibly take one in the draft
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